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簡單啲，大家攞張出世紙出嚟證明性別囉！
出世紙都未必啱嘅
林郁婷身份證號碼係2開頭，台灣身份證號碼1開頭嘅就係出生時性別係男性，2開頭嘅就係出生時性別係女性，唔洗睇出世紙㗎啦
@@franciscaip6434 請問在台灣小孩出生後有沒有出世紙這樣的政府文件說明這個小孩的性別 ？ 如果有，看看就知道，如果沒有就沒有辦法！身份證上面的性別是可以改的
@@stevechan7521 身份證上性別可以改，但係身份證號碼唔會改，所以就算變咗性改咗性別，睇身份證號第一個號碼都係會知本來嘅性別
國際澳牛會😂
Navratilova also fired the same view as J.K. Rowling, both of them concern the issue far more than we could have imagined. It is also not good to blame audience 'lack of indepth science investigation'. The focus may I suggest should be whether it is still fair to all athletes when some have exceptional high level of testosterone than normal female.用英文寫了，不好意思
Boxing is already a sport that is carefully divided into very strict weight classes which ensures all participants are under a weight limit, compared to other sports which has no such restrictions. eg we don’t limit how tall a basketball player can be, nor how much lung capacity a swimmer has. In those sports naturally occurring but abnormally high growth hormones absolutely give - what you would define as - advantages over other athletes without such abnormalities, but no body would call those as unfair. So the idea that somehow this unfairness only occurs in boxing is actually extremely strange and hypocritical, which only seems to be the case due to the ongoing cultural war based on gender identity, rather than actually seeking a “fair” level of competition.
暫時係呢一個時刻無人呢兩位知道選手究竟係因為長期使用睾丸酮引致體內睾丸激素過高，定係天生有特別原因，只係暫時可以肯定佢哋並非變性人。如果係因為長期使用禁藥，咁禁止佢哋比賽係咪無可厚非呢。
CLS no one is equal, some are born that way, others improve by training x then there's the ancients & comrades characteristics
你講科學，當然尊重啦，但事情唔係咁簡單呀，已經有第二場，個意大利女拳手面對住一個fail咗性別測試嘅人，中咗重擊，46秒就要主動退出，因為驚再打會冇命，呢單明顯係國際奧委會容許transgender參加女性比賽，woke culture的確有入侵到奧運架，只可以話台灣呢位拳手不幸嚮呢種政治氣氛下捲入呢種爭議之中
好心啦你講呢單亦都唔係變性人, 做多d功課先.
首先, Algeria法律非常保守, 係唔俾人係證件上轉性, 出世時驗咗係女就成世係女. 而果個Algeria拳手上界東京奧運都有參賽, 但無得獎係準準決賽輸咗, 佢嘅賽積並唔亮麗, 只有9勝5敗, 即係佢絕對有俾其他女拳手打趴過, 根本唔存在佢係轉性人而有優勢嘅問題. 最多都係可能有遺傳病俾其他女性稍為體格有優勢而已.根本唔關woke culture時, 係恐lgbtq極右跳針而已.
混淆視聽，不要處處用科學唬人。染色體沒有丫，只要Ⅹ這樣分辨最簡單和清淅。
點解咁多人頭豬腦呢？
They should create another gender for sports competition. It will be called "free for all". Anyone, male, female, trans, xy , xx, xyy , xxy, yyzzz etc are welcomed to compete. In the meantime, please make sure non biological female are excluded from female competion.
咁其實 Michael Phelps 因為天生嘅因素都離奇地著數，係咪又要劃界限呢？手腳唔可以多過某個尺寸？幾多為之太大？點都有啲天生嘅優勢先去到國家隊嘅水平。澳洲每屆都擸咁多游水金牌係由於地理因素，識游水係基本求生。又係咪要限制我哋唔可以教小朋友游水？Ban 我哋參加？定係開一個新嘅組別將啲海岸多嘅同海岸少嘅分開？
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姓江話所有香港運動員都好幸福！森哥有冇去評論下？又扮睇唔到
佢有講「所有」？你加上去？
故事的背景就是lBA (Intermational Boxing Association)去年DQ了林郁婷和打得意大利拳手退赛的對手，理由是未朱能通過性別测試。甚測試，據IBA 31/7/24的statement:
"Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."
甚麽是recognized test? why so confidential? 可能IBA比科學更科學
testosterone examination 是睪丸酮測試, 不是性別測試. 性別測試是要測DNA. 女性睪丸酮過高超標會出現多毛症, 雄性禿, 生理期不順, 聲音變粗, 肌肉增加, 體型趨向男性化等問題. 但過低會導致青春期女性第二性徵發育不良, 性欲降低, 疲勞, 使女性容易骨質疏鬆骨和骨折. 造成睪丸酮過多的原因包括遺傳, 慢性壓力, 卵巢腫瘤, 多囊性卵巢症候群症狀, 先天性腎上腺增生症等, 最常見的原因應該就是多囊性卵巢症候群症狀吧, 現代女性壓力那麼大, 又有那麼多婦科問題, 要過這睪丸酮測試也不是容易的事
@@franciscaip6434的確是用詞不當，謝謝指正。IBA也没有說兩人不是女人，祇是說有comparative advantage。問題是如樓上說早已驗出兩人有xy chromosome，聲明中為何祇說根據不知是甚麽的other recognized test
@@davidpan8264 如果林郁婷真的檢驗出有Y chromosome的話(無論是XY還是XXY), 應該會被禁參加大部份的世界賽事, 特別是去中國參加杭州亞運, 我相信以中國對台灣的敵意一定會將她的性別驗個透. 但是現在女性運動員更在意的是別的運動員會不會因自身不正常的雄性激素而造成不公. 至於你說的recognized test 是什麼, 有可能是其他醫療用藥品檢驗, 或者是其他激素測試吧. 我記得Olympic是會將有Y chromosome的女運動員禁賽, 雄激素不敏感綜合症的患者Martínez-Patiño就是在1988年首爾奧運被禁賽的
巴黎奧運會容許來自阿爾及利亞的拳擊手，一直被驗出同時有xy染色體的Imane Khelif，因連續兩年無法通過性別測試，被國際拳擊協會禁賽。但奧運會仍容許Imane Khelif參與賽事，可和Angela Carini女子選手作賽。
賽事在爭議聲中展開比賽，意大利選手Angela Carini中了Imane Khelif對手右拳後，之後再中對手右拳後，往繩角教練旁示意不繼續比賽。事後哭著離開擂台而跪地痛哭，表示從未比賽中感受如此重拳。
教練指在賽前很多意大利人致電，勸告說，「請你不要比賽。牠是個男人。這對你非常危險。」。荒唐的是，這個被拳擊協會禁賽拳手，卻可在巴黎奧運會拳擊場上，在全世界人眼皮底下公開打女人，因此打贏而能獲得機會及獎牌。
首先, Algeria法律非常保守, 係唔俾人係證件上轉性, 出世時驗咗係女就成世係女. Khelif係證件上係女性因為佢根本出世時就係女. 而Khelif拳手上界東京奧運都有參賽, 但無得獎係準準決賽輸咗, 佢嘅賽積並唔亮麗, 只有9勝5敗, 即係佢絕對有俾其他女拳手打趴過, 根本唔存在佢係轉性人而有優勢嘅問題, 更不要話不公平到會打死人嘅程度. 最多都係可能有遺傳病俾其他女性稍為體格有優勢而已.
其中一名性別受質疑的阿爾及利亞女拳手Imane Khelif 首踏今屆巴黎奧運賽場，只花46秒就把來自意大利的對手Angela Carini 「打到退賽」。後者賽後哭訴若繼續比賽有機會遇嚴重傷患，只為保住生命叫停比賽
完全係打爆
我唔認為夾岩屈個女人係男人就係正確既事,,但係將來必然有更多國家會特登搵XY染色體既女人上場橫掃
@@xyxxyz2008 香港鄰近的那個強大国家，必定可以致力發展此技術，令該國‘’女性‘’運動員得到更廣更多的金牌。
@@xyxxyz2008 拳擊賽上1 round KO並不罕見，何況今次46秒係對手自己棄權。所以用呢個作爲argument根本唔係一個好嘅例子。
至於搵XY染色體又如何？先不要説Khelif選手戰績平平並沒有特別優勢，籃球運動員唔係一向都搵因爲發育特別優秀身材高嘅人去培養同比賽嗎？咁你點樣區別係拳擊上咁樣搵d天生遺傳性上有優勢嘅人係唔公平，但籃球就完全公平？好明顯係一個雙重標準囉。
奧運是用染色體+睪丸酮濃度來決定是否女性。
5:37 國中，佢地叫做國中，高中嘅老師……
錯，台灣的中學很像美國制，中學分兩階段，初中和高中，初中叫國中，3年，高中也是3年。😅
原因：台灣小學叫國小，以前義務教育中學只有3年，所以叫國中，後來增至6年，新增的3年才叫高中😅
咁係咪要整多個trans組別? 入女子組都一樣唔公平喎, 雖然係天生. 定係要both DNA+hormone test?
依家拳擊已經有hormone test, 而且你點分別咩係公平同唔公平嘅優秀？即係打藍球有時都有個因爲發育期多咗hormone而生得特別高嘅人，咁係唔係要所有籃球手要同樣高度先叫公平？
@@nanaholic01hormone test for regulating gender is not used in olympic boxing
@@fatfishfilms4569 cos a simple testosterone test is scientifically inconclusive that’s why they don’t do it. They use other hormone tests
@@nanaholic01 而家討論緊用性別分組既問題. 如果籃球員身高有高矮有不公, 可考慮以身高分組別, 正如舉重以體重分組別. 我地要以蘋果同蘋果比較. 不能做到公平並不是不去做得更公平的原因.
@@GC-ti6cw 性別同身高體重都係遺傳因素, 而且就算針對同樣性別都有身高體重差別, 同樣男人都有5呎同7呎高, 同樣體重都有人係李小龍同木村拓哉, 所以依家個point就係你針對性別都根本唔會令到標準更公平.
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唔好意思，借個位🙏🙏
今年可以在英澳加，都可訂到 "候鳥 Waiting Bird" 月餅
(佢哋係支援在囚手足的)
如果在港買的，更可不用額外郵費. 👍👍👍
如果只有時間餘的，佢哋都需要義工們，包括探監、旁聽、幫手足家人補習......等等🙏🙏🙏
Thanks again 森爺 🙇🙇
就係之前太多果D transgender 去參加女人比賽先搞到依家D人咁敏感JE, 唔係一句輕描淡寫有爭議就可以帶過, 呢個亦係LGBTQ氾濫所造成既災難
宜家D左膠, 面對所有唔係全力支持佢地觀點既人就一律被打成極右法西斯,沒有內容只有立場,煩到癲,,人類快末日就岩
JK Rowling 呢個女人有錢之後就露出本性－一個典型白人
森Sir
“賽曼雅從不曾使用禁藥，也有完整的女性身體。但在IAAF的檢查結果出爐後，她才得知自己的染色體異常，睪酮濃度遠高於一般女性，原因是她身體內藏有發育不全的睪丸。但她並沒有長出男性性徵，因此從小到大都自認是個女人。”
端傳媒 報導
跟跨性别 變性 樣子外表 完全無關
they fail the gender eligibility test because of biological reasons: testicles thus male level of testosterone.
跟Hate也無關
完全是IOC無能
其實如果對測試結果有爭議的話，
就應該由大會醫生檢查身體確定男女,
另外運動員亦要有法定聲明針對有無
transgender 的後天改造。
既然只是為了處理 exceptional scenario ，就不能太顧慮 privacy ，否則只會被左膠累事。
Dude have you even watch the fight? That is not sport, that's physical abuse😅
You don’t have to broadcast to the world that you know nothing about boxing cos boxers getting knocked out in 1 round is not uncommon, you can even find many one punch knockouts on UA-cam
@@nanaholic01 you can tell from the body whether it's a man or not. When a man beating up a woman that is not a fight, that abuse, did you or did you not watch the event
@@Herbertl_Lee you actually can't - that's the whole point of the discussion. A woman born with genes which makes her body produce more testostrone may make her express a bit more masculine features in her body, but it doesn't make her biologically a man like you are trying to claim. It may give her a physical advantage over some other women atheletes, but that's true for all other sports. 99% of basketball players have genes which makes them taller than me so they are going to beat me, but I don't complain about that and if I do everyone would think I'm crazy. This is why this discussion is crazy.
This is not even taking into the fact that the boxer in question has been defeated before by other women boxers already. So the idea she is this hulking monster who will kill all other female boxers simply don't exists in reality. Why is nobody just focusing on perhaps it's the Italian boxer being too weak?
@@nanaholic01 Both Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu‑ting of Taiwan had been disqualified from the 2023 Women’s World Championships with the International Boxing Association president proved they had XY chromosomes. You can argue what ever you want 😉
@@Herbertl_Lee both the Algerian and Taiwanese boxer competed in previously IBA sanctioned competitions including the Tokyo Olympics, they were both suddenly disqualified in 2023 by the IBA chair out of standard procedures which didn’t release the test results but the chair whom is a Pro-Putin Russian simply made such a statement, it proves nothing try again.
If you teacher failed you but won’t show you your test do you just accept it as fact?
一個非常極端的例子 , Bruce Jenner，76 奧運十項全能金牌得主。 2015 年 轉性 , 成為 Caitlyn Jenner !
Jenner 係退役後先變性
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