The "Unfair Advantage" - When Roger Penske Rebuilt a Reynard
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2022
- After a disastrous few years going winless in CART with an inhouse Penske Chassis, Mercedes Ilmor Engine and Goodyear Tires, starting in 2000 Team Penske made the bold move to the dominant Reynard/Honda/Firestone combination... but not without trying to find the classic "unfair advantage". Penske modified the basic Reynard chassis so much virtually nothing but the tub was stock, the car was quickly dubbed as the "Renske". Helio Castroneves won his very first IndyCar race in this car at the 2000 Detroit Grand Prix at Belle Isle.
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this is the first really comprehensive look at what made a Renske a Renske that I could find. thank you for your work!
What a beautiful car. CART is my favorite series All-Time
I wish I could have seen these cars...
This Is the best looking Indycar ever
Lola also from 2000 and 2001.
@@joelbrooks3198 Good too
They were beautiful machines. Ground bound with 900hp at the wheel.
Too bad we never saw Greg Moore in the Renske.
I will never forgot that race, it was not the first driver I had seen die, but it was maybe the first time I can remember seeing an accident live as it happened and knowing immediately it was fatal, even Senna it took a little bit to kick in what had happened and I saw that one live on TV too. I was a big Moore fan, I was upset he was going to Penske because I always pulled against Rodger but was happy for him since he was going to a top team. I will always feel he shouldn't have gotten in the car that day, and no matter how much people say the brace had nothing to do with it, I will always wonder if maybe he catches that spin full strength, probably not, but we will never know. I watched the race with my Dad and said right before it started, it's the last race, he should just sit it out, just had a bad feeling he shouldnt push it with his hand compromised. The look on Montoya's face after the race when he went from smiling ear to ear because he just won the championship, to just a blank expression as he was told about Moore is seared in my head to this day.
Absolutely!! Actually, i took a 20-year break from Indycar after Fontana 1999...
@@chrish931 Me to my friend. I said the same when he hit the wall I knew it was over. Would have loved to see him win the 500 a couple times!
I think we need a new chassis for INDYCAR, that Renske is beautiful
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Nah, I'm kidding. I like the look of these late nineties/early naughties CART machines. Makes me wish I could've stayed up longer each Sunday when CART was on the telly. At least I'm able to do that nowadays
To me the greatest Penske Indycar was Gil De Ferren's 2000 Fontana car that went 241 mph qualifying all time record in CART history. The other greatest Indycar he built was simply known as "THE BEAST" which Al Undser Jr. won the 1994 Indy 500 with.
The Stock Block ENGINE was the Beast
Emerson Fittipaldi probably would have won, as he was nearly a lap ahead of Unser when he crashed out on lap 185 (he would've had to stop for a splash'n'go, but probably would have had time for it.) As it was Little Al and Villeneuve were the only cars on the lead lap at the end of the race.
And the PC17 and the PC10.
That car by far was the best looking and was the pinnacle of CART racing.
No one:
Roger Penske, looking at a Reynard: "Fine, I'll do it myself"
That's what an "IndyCar" should look like Dallara!
And what an IndyCar should sòund like.
@@RazorSharp75426 I mean.... it could be worse. They could have the F1 engine note. So at least they don't sound like a fart on track.
Nah these things are fucking ugly
The DW12 ain't much to look at either but dear god don't base them off the Reynard
@@AngryKirbyHatesYou what does an IndyCar should look like?
@@Mario_Ramirez the lola T90/00 or the March 83c
The Reynarda were big and bulbous and awful to look at
I get having gripes with the current IR-18 design. It's not exactly what we want yet, but compared to anything the IRL ever ran and the DW-12, the IR-18 is the closest American open wheel car I've seen to these CART beasts of the mid 90's - early 2000's... and the speeds at Indy this year. WOW. How nice that was. To experience the mid 230's again at Indy was quite the great feeling.
John Travis is the guy to talk to about this car. Best time of my life with those guys.
Minor correction, Helios first Indycar win came at Detroit in 2000, he then repeated the trick the following year with this car for what I think was his 3rd win.
5th career win, he won 3 times in 2000 (Detroit, Mid-Ohio, Laguna Seca) and another 3 times in 2001. Detroit was his 2nd win of the year, after his win at Long Beach. His last CART win was again at Mid-Ohio.
Didn’t Helio also win the 500 in 2001?
@@jason9875 Yes,but back then CART and the IRL were 2 different organizations, so his Indy win didn't count to his CART win tally.
I'd imagine those aggressive ramps are intended to direct as much air away from the tires as possible in addition to generating downforce. A rotating tire not only generates drag, but also lift.
BTW I always get a chuckle over the R/H/F Renske, since it came two years after Paul Tracy got fired over commenting about needing that exact combo in an interview!
Really cool to see that car again. I'd love to see an interview with Helio about this car, with him pointing out little details and talking about how what the buttons on the wheel do.
Good idea!
When dallara build the next car they should just rebuild this
Awesome car and probably the most comprehensive look I’ve seen at where and how substantial the differences are vs. a regular Reynard. My brain expected to hear Gary Gerould’s voice after that intro music though…
If they could keep the same safety innovations but get the cars back to the mid 90s 2000s looks for the cars...and get a few tracks back in the schedule (Michigan Auto Club Vancouver Cleveland etc.) I truly think that old school nostalgia will come back to Indycar 💪
Jon Beekhuis would be able to elaborate further. If you reach out to him, I'm sure he would love to contribute to tech features like this.
Or even better, NBC could hire him!
@@devinmackey83 That even a better idea.
Would have been awesome to have pictures of a stock Reynard to highlight the differences. Cool stuff!
It's shit like this that has made me both respect and pull against Penske at the same time.
I'd wish I could see these cars run in anger again.
I used to work for Penske Truck Leasing and you can bet that they did many hours of wind tunnel work. Roger is meticulous with everything he does in looking for the smallest engineering advantage.
Penske used to have an IndyCar design centre in Poole, England. Probably closed after this car's design.
Well done David. An excellent explanation of the ingenuity of The Captain and why his teams always shine through the years. He hasn't lost any of his skills either.
That was awesome Land. I agree brother I miss those cars.
I read that before the Penske Reynard it's was actually PacWest that did the most modifications to their car.
O carro de corrida mais bonito já construído. A frente do carro, para mim, foi inspirada nos aviões de caça dos Estados Unidos.
Great video, first time I’ve seen a tour of this chassis up close and discussion about what exactly was developed by Penske. I only have one suggestion that I hope you look into: I am pretty sure this car’s nickname was spelled “Reynske” by the media at the time, not “Renske”.
I love you for you knowing the music to use and knowing when certain clips of music would be fitting for the particular video you are making. You just needed a pinwheel out transition for the start of this video lol
I remember that Penske would get the Reynard tub and build the car from that.
Please Dallara make a car at least as good as this for the next generation
This era had the best looking Indycars... maybe of all time. That Reynard was the epitome of what an open wheeler should look like. And this has the same DNA. Can Dallara take some notes?
I think I'm fast in that car in AMS2 at 74 Spielberg.
Beautiful to see it up close and for real.
Thanks for sharing 😎
Man those CART IndyCars were beautiful. Now take a look at the late 1990s G Force IRL car. It is embarrassing to see the difference.
No wonder that drivers like PT called the IRL car a CWagon!
Wonderful CART era here. I remember very clearly going to 2001Road America (and Belle Isle race with this one, but at RA got the first close up look in the paddock, which the entire sidepods, definitely the winglets, and rear wing (front too) were kept under black blankets in the garage at all times. I had snapped a few "disposable" camera pics and was pointing out to a friend how different the sides looked vs. the other Package chassis, but a guy quickly threw a blanket on in front of us... great overview!
Detroit in 2000 was his first win, not 01. He repeated the victory in 01 as well though.
The racing was so much better back in the CART days. The Indycar spec car series of today doesn’t compare well.
Reynard, Honda, Firestone - the axis of evil. Because a car this good has to be evil, doesn't it?
I miss the Reynard, Lola, Swift era.
As you (correctly) point out, this was the 2001 edition of the Penske Reynard. If you look at the 2000 edition, they're more 'stock' (including mirrors mounted to the tub, more standard rear kick-ups, etc.)
I watched PT put 2nd place 2 laps down for a period of time at a race in Nazareth in this beast it was unstoppable still puts a smile on my face
please indycar open up development to allow teams freedom to build updates on their Dallara chassis with cost controls
Last time Dallara was the only chassis maker open to competition. It'll probably be the same when they redesign the car again.
Great video. Beautiful car
What an incredible looking car. I would say for it's time probably the most sexy machine.
Great piece David and great speaking with you about that car today!
Great video and great story David
Good looking car
I also like to see the rear tyres exposed. But from a safety perspective, i think the current design is safer as it prevents wheels from getting entangled...
Really liked this video. You might want to do more like it.
always loved the Renske
Oh hey, my legs are in this video!
that thing was awesome i shoulda took a picture with it
I'm curious as to what the underside looked like. If there were any changes to the ground effects from a stock Reynard,
Exposing the rear tires again will come with a lot of aero wash
I heard you say it, and I thank you 😎😄
Very interesting.
Beautiful car.
Just a little nitpick, 2001 wasn't Helio's first win. His first win came in Detroit in 2000. He won Detroit back to back in 2000 and 2001. Probably my favorite era of the sport!
Tech-Cool
Wow
I remember them calling Reynske.
As an F1 fan, can anyone explain how Indycar, CART Irl rules worked? Always found it more interesting when Indycar wasn't a spec series.
It's always been a spec series to some degree, the difference was who you bought from. Penske built his chassis the majority of the time until 2000 when he started buying Reynard chassis and modifying them like this video showed. If you were an independent race team with a wad of cash at the peak in 1999, you could buy a Lola, Reynard, or Swift chassis and pair it with any 2.65L Single Turbo V8 from Mercedes (Illmor), Honda, Toyota, or Ford (Cosworth). Only an idiot or Roger Penske with an ironclad contract used Goodyear tires while the rest of the field had moved to Firestone. Since the regulations mostly stayed the same, something the larger teams did was sell their current year cars to the smaller team to finance next year's cars (including Penske) so finding cars a year or two old on the track wasn't unusual.
Anything else and you'd have to narrow it down.
Is there some issue that the car is being propped up in the back end to keep it from falling on the ground, or is RP trying to hide some secrets around the back of a 21 year-old car?
Penske, chip ganassi.master cheaters,uh I mean masterful leaders!
Hélio's victories with this car:
Long Beach '01
Detroit '01
Mid-Ohio '01
I guess we’ll never really know.
Funny how the F2000 cars have visually better aero design than a race winning car just 15-20 years difference in design
Imagaine if Reynard and Penske were combined as both a race team and a chassis manufacturer, Introducing Team Renske Motorsport.
Founder: Andrian Renske
Founded: May 1964
Andrian Renske's date of birth: Febuary, 23rd, 1931 [Age: 91]
Andrian Renske's place of birth: Welwyn, United Kingdom
Racing series that Team Renske Motorsport were/are involved in
Formula Ford
Formula Ford 1600
Formula Ford 2000
Formula Holden
Formula Renault
Formula 2000
Formula 3000
Formula 3
Formula 1
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula Nippon (Now Super Formula)
Skip Barber National Championship
CART
IndyCar
NASCAR
World Endurance Championship
Yaaaaaay
You just have to wonder what Greg Moore could have done with Team Penske.
One thing you don't is Helio Castroneves wouldn't have had his career or possibly any Indy 500 wins if Greg Moore didn't die at Fontana.
Cost control will never allow teams to build/develop/modify their own cars ever again and it makes me sad.
You never know....ever is a long time.
Even Penske cannot justify or afford to build his own chassis .
@@grooviefan Too much work, you'd have to have a whole separate engineering division.
@@bobfeller604 penske had a complete mfg facility in england. compelete w engineering staff, but there wasn't enough money in the series to continue it. nor could any other teams.
There's money to modify and teams do with custom dampers, but getting a redesigned chassis each year is out of the question.
The engine is V10 right?
2.65l turbo v8 on methanol
What kind of speed would we have seen if this car ran at Indy??
Just a hair under 220. Lap record is just over 236 from 1996 or 97. I don't think we will ever see that again though, so that will be a long standing record. After the 236, the following year they slowed the cars down substantially.
this car set the closed course speed record with Gil De Ferran at Fontana of 241mph average speed. I think they could have challenged the record at Indy.
@@mrbloodmuffins Fontana has like 5° more banking though. Would have made it easier to go faster with that, than on the 9° at Indy. You might be right though. Does 1° really equal out to 1 mph? Maybe not.
@@Spike-sk7qlCurrent cars on Short Oval boost are make 233mph, and they're down over 350hp from that time. A 238ish would be feasible before needing an aero upgrade.
Beautiful car, now days indy cars are just plain FUGLY.
Yep Aeroscreen bruh
It's similar to F1 Marlboro McLaren so i like it
And the engine sounds like Caitlyn Jenner trying to sing Dream On. Back then the engine sounds like Steven Tyler when singing Dream On. That's why current IndyCar cars are more like Caitlyn Jenner than Steven Tyler
Kinda miss the era when open wheel single seaters didn't have protection module like the Halo and the Aeroscreen. Looks lightyears better , but leaves a huge dilemma when the module was taken off because of "Safety". I know that nobody wants a driver to die on race weekends (even myself), but I kinda think that single seaters would look a lot better without these protection modules (except dirt midgets).
Amazing how the nose is short and droopy