Generally a good video; however, what do we mean by "social holiness" and where do we get it? I dont think there is anything wrong with saying it, but John Wesley only used the phrase once, so we shouldnt attribute it to him (at least in the way most people today try to use the phrase). He was not talking about justice, but rather about the importance of community in order to grow in holiness. The passage “social holiness” occurs in the preface to Wesley’s 1739 edition of Hymns and Sacred Poems (thanks to Kevin Watson for providing the source on his blog). Here is the passage in its broader context: "Directly opposite to this is the gospel of Christ. Solitary religion is not to be found there. ‘Holy solitaries’ is a phrase no more consistent with the gospel than holy adulterers. The gospel of Christ knows of no religion but social; no holiness but social holiness." Watson writes, "In this context, then, Wesley is explicitly rejecting “holy solitaries”, or the attempt to become holy in isolation from other Christians. And he is insisting on the importance of community for becoming Christ-like."
@@jacquelinebollinger992 how does the book define it? My post wasnt arguing whether the phrase is valid or not. It was just to say when we use it to talk about social justice, then we are not using it how John Wesley used it.
@@paultribble1886 Yes, I agree that John Wesley was talking about being part of a Christian fellowship. I found the book historically enlightening with regard to the indispensable role of the church and Christian believers in protecting slaves and politcally furthering abolition of slavery.
@@jodymercier8811 I am taking about a theology that instead of calling all Christians to follow Christ instead calls us to follow a woke gospel which focuses on “racial equity”and not true equality which was argued by the giants of the past. And that “gospel” isn’t the true calling. This is hog wash.
@@Coolrunnings007 Thanks for clarifying. I agree that that is not the Gospel, but I dont think she was quite trying to make that point in this video. On face value, a lot of what she says was good though. If we asked the bishop to define a lot of terms she said and go in a little more detail, then I think we might find the disagreement you're talking about. The Good News is that we have salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for the glory of God alone. The Gospel cannot have an imperative added to it, like "do justice." Although pursuing justice is essential to a Christian lifestyle, it is not the Gospel so we need to be nuanced when addressing this topic. We need to make sure that we arent downplaying the importance of justice (that only stems from the Gospel, but it isnt the Gospel). This is a topic Christians need to take seriously and compassionately if they want to be good witnesses to the world. I recommend "Confronting Injustice Without Compromising Truth" by Thaddeus Williams and many other writers. He had a great interview with Sean McDowell that you can find on UA-cam.
Songs have been a great addition to the Word in this series.
What is social holiness? Read the book "Parallel Communities" by Dennis Rizzo for a good illustration.
No absolutely not
Generally a good video; however, what do we mean by "social holiness" and where do we get it? I dont think there is anything wrong with saying it, but John Wesley only used the phrase once, so we shouldnt attribute it to him (at least in the way most people today try to use the phrase). He was not talking about justice, but rather about the importance of community in order to grow in holiness. The passage “social holiness” occurs in the preface to Wesley’s 1739 edition of Hymns and Sacred Poems (thanks to Kevin Watson for providing the source on his blog). Here is the passage in its broader context:
"Directly opposite to this is the gospel of Christ. Solitary religion is not to be found there. ‘Holy solitaries’ is a phrase no more consistent with the gospel than holy adulterers. The gospel of Christ knows of no religion but social; no holiness but social holiness."
Watson writes, "In this context, then, Wesley is explicitly rejecting “holy solitaries”, or the attempt to become holy in isolation from other Christians. And he is insisting on the importance of community for becoming Christ-like."
Read the book, "Parallel Communities" by Dennis Rizzo.
@@jacquelinebollinger992 how does the book define it? My post wasnt arguing whether the phrase is valid or not. It was just to say when we use it to talk about social justice, then we are not using it how John Wesley used it.
@@paultribble1886 Yes, I agree that John Wesley was talking about being part of a Christian fellowship. I found the book historically enlightening with regard to the indispensable role of the church and Christian believers in protecting slaves and politcally furthering abolition of slavery.
@@SandyHomeOnBluff thanks!
Wow this is deeply unchristian thoughts... not surprised lol
Which parts were unchristian?
What are you talking about, CoolRunnings ?
@@jodymercier8811 I am taking about a theology that instead of calling all Christians to follow Christ instead calls us to follow a woke gospel which focuses on “racial equity”and not true equality which was argued by the giants of the past. And that “gospel” isn’t the true calling. This is hog wash.
@@Coolrunnings007 Thanks for clarifying. I agree that that is not the Gospel, but I dont think she was quite trying to make that point in this video. On face value, a lot of what she says was good though. If we asked the bishop to define a lot of terms she said and go in a little more detail, then I think we might find the disagreement you're talking about.
The Good News is that we have salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for the glory of God alone. The Gospel cannot have an imperative added to it, like "do justice." Although pursuing justice is essential to a Christian lifestyle, it is not the Gospel so we need to be nuanced when addressing this topic. We need to make sure that we arent downplaying the importance of justice (that only stems from the Gospel, but it isnt the Gospel). This is a topic Christians need to take seriously and compassionately if they want to be good witnesses to the world.
I recommend "Confronting Injustice Without Compromising Truth" by Thaddeus Williams and many other writers. He had a great interview with Sean McDowell that you can find on UA-cam.