@@tybo8873 even valerian steel doesn't easily cut through plate armor. there was a reason most knights had maces or hammers in the lazer stages of the middle ages
@@XpVersusVista swords were just as, if not even more prevalent than hammers in the later periods. Hammers are great, but there's plenty of ways of efectively using a sword on horseback against armor, and they have a significant number of advantages over hammers.
Oh I see well y’all probably know more than I do about this lore so thank you for educating me on the lore. I’m not being sarcastic I’m actually think it’s cool
i love how as they're looking at this beautiful image, GRRM makes a point of mentioning the name of the artist and going on to compliment his work in general. class act
The way Robert is described in his prime reminds me of those sports stars who peak too early due to a freakish combination of raw physicality, talent, and sheer desire but then burn out and lose it all to poor discipline and vice.
@@mihajlodjordjevic2978 i Read that somewhere apparently it's true But when talks of prequels and spin offs began Grrm said word for word, he didn't want to adapt Robert's rebellion cause all the secrets of Robert's rebellion will be disclosed in asoiaf, so it would be a big spoiler He also said he didn't want them to adapt dunk and egg cause he wants to finish that story first But now hbo seems to hint at adapting both down the line 🤔
@@TheGamebuzzHD Robert’s rebellion will certainly end adapted, the money a blockbuster film or box set will make is simply too much for HBO to turn down. I reckon seeing more bobby b is enough to make it as big a draw as any other spinoff. ADOD included.
Robert in his prime was scary, known as the “Demon of the Trident”, had the strength of the Mountain but the speed of Oberyn Martell. Not many could match him if any.
Plus the warhammer is a really scary weapon, any kind of injury you cause is incredibly serious, you either kill or maim and finish it after, there is 0 room for error against these kind of weapons, and you need to dodge there is no blocking nor parrying a war hammer blow from Robert
@@alexeiharp7676 he managed to beat him as a commander army vs army, in 1 on 1 only Ser Barristan Selmy would have good chances against Robert. Selmy 100% wins if you give him a Valyrian steel sword. GRRM has said himself, that if you give Selmy a Valyrian steel sword, the tiny gap between him and Ser Arthur Dayne closes and they are equal with Dayne wielding Dawn, the sword is what gives him an edge vs Selmy.
@@ThomasFoolery8 I mean yeah but what is the point? Not everything has to be shown, that's kinda the magic of the show/books, there's so many stories that has been told as a legend, mith or historical event, and so like the characters we have to imagine those stories. If everything is becoming a series, spin off and so on, i don't know, in my opinion it's not necessary
Robert’s rebellion should be made in movies...either a trilogy or just a bunch of movies like Harry Potter....but the history behind this event is AMAZING
Favorite thing about asoiaf lore is that events that happened before the books start are still as detailed as events that are fully written. We pretty much find out everything about the whole rebellion
Gotta love that not only did Robert fight with a war hammer in the age of swords, but he did it on horseback, single handed lol. Standing up in the stirrups to boot.
You know I can't get enough of George RR Martin he's absolutely amazing he's the type of person you wanna hang out with and you'd be able to have a fantastic conversation with
I always wonder how that fought went down.. Swing for swing. I thought if they were both on horseback Prince Rhaegar had the upper hand as a skilled knight, yet Robert's true love was violence and Prince Rhaegar hated it. But from the descriptions in the books he is about 6'6 and probably 275-300 lbs of muscle, like a defensive lineman; Rhaegar was more sleek and shorter by 3 or 4 inches. Even a one handed war hammer is going to be swung pretty damn hard by a Khalil Mack of the Westerosi variety..
Same I'd like to think also that with them getting off their horses and fighting in the mud and muck of the Trident sludging over corpses and in the end Robert's inhumane Strength wpn out and he just crushed Rhaegar and probably mutilated the guys body.
@@Argos-xb8ek I don’t think they ever got off their horses. They fought entirely on horseback IIRC. Rhaeghar did follow Robert into the Trident, and Martin has stated Rhaeghar was more skilled on horseback. I think the implication there is that it was a mistake for Rhaeghar to go into the water, where his superior riding skills would be nullified. Also it was a close fight and Robert was seriously injured, which is why Ned had to go to King’s Landing ahead of him.
Robert in his prime could probably have beaten Gregor Clegane. He was strong and trained daily with one of the most effective weapons against knights in plate armor. Also he had pure rage and adrenaline driving him-Rhaegar may have wounded him but Robert probably barely felt the wounds until after it was over. Furthermore Rhaegar had never truly seen war and probably had the overconfidence in prophecy driving him to face Robert alone. Rhaegar stood no chance of prevailing once Robert drew him into this situation.
Well duh, Gregor isn't a good fighter, he's just huge. He's defeated in Tourney combat by Sandor. A stronger, larger, more skilled combatant than Sandor (Robert) would beat him easily. To say nothing of how Gregor actually died fighting Oberyn due to wounds and poison and only killed him because Oberyn was specifically trying to bait a confession and was holding back
@@htut80 oh I know, I'm not endorsing that either. But if I had a nickel for every comment I read saying something like "omg can't wait to see the dragons omg" I'd have like a lot of nickels.
The irony of Robert being the one to overthrow the Targaryens is that the Baratheons are only landed nobles at all because they were one of Aegon's early allies in the conquest.
Except that it wasn't really Robert. It was more Ned and Jon Arryn. Ned just didn't have the desire to sit on the throne, so they defaulted to Robert who also has some Targ blood from that ancestral relationship. Even in the midst of a coup they were defaulting to whomever had the closest bloodline to the Targs. Robert lies to himself about doing it for Lyanna, but he really just liked fighting. He was like MJ just looking for slights to fuel him.
Actually, the Baratheons started out with Aegon's bastard brother, Orys. The Durrandons were the ruling house of the Stormlands. After the conquest, Aegon married Orys to the former Durrandon king's only daughter and Orys took the Durrandon coat of arms (the black stag as we know it) and founded the Baratheon house.
@@OfficialPizza yeah it is a rumour, but you know how the saying goes, where there's smoke there's fire. Also my bad, I misinterpreted your initial post. Atleast I included some extra info I guess lol.
You should get it never, go another fandom where the autor publishes 3 one hundred pages book a decade. And plesase take yoir entitlement with you on your way out.
Technically, I think he's referring specifically to Cannibal, which is the one dragon in the lore without a canonical demise... Cannibal was a wild dragon that lived on Dragonstone, smaller than Balerion but larger than any other dragon alive during the Dance, it was completely un-tamable and had a possibly fictitious reputation for preferring to eat other younger dragons and eggs above all other food sources (hence the name Cannibal). In Fire & Blood / A World of Ice and Fire, all of the Targaryen dragons are accounted for, except Cannibal, who flies away from Dragonstone and is never seen again. Is it possible that Cannibal flew north of the wall and got iced by the Walkers? Sure, entirely. But it's equally possible that Cannibal ended up flying off to Skagos, the island of cannibals, and has been living there worshiped as a deity by the comparatively primitive locals who offer sacrifices to the dragon. I only bring this up because a known warg with a wild temperment is currently thought to be in hiding on Skagos, and I just really want to see 5-year-old Rickon ride an angry dragon and fuck shit up. Either that, or Rickon's entire story line is a fucking pointless waste of time and will end with a stupid pun or something, making everything about Rickon Stark and his direwolf one giant... Shaggy Dog story.
I like how he knows the artwork of his writing so well as well as the creators. Also really like how he confirms that Bobby and RheaRhea were on horses when they fought.
The most amazing story of all time and the main charicter the hero the main man was dead before the story even began and never made an appearance .....incredible
How is he the main man? Is this a cliche or what? Have seen this comment a hundred times. Tell me how is rhaegar the main man? Did you even read the books? Calling rhaegar the main man when there are dany jon tyrion and bran is absolutely ridiculous
@@darkseidistheboss5781 rhaegar is the usual fantasy hero. Princely, handsome, a prodigy. Lyanna herself, imo, is much the same. Martin was playing with tropes and his play led him to explore what would happen if the heroes died? She loved rhaegar. Robert and her had no love because it was a betrothal and she knew Robert as a philanderer. It was all in roberts head, he couldn't accept her not wanting him.
@@asymbolofpurehatred What do you mean no one gives a shit about him? Fans bring him up a lot, he’s very popular for someone who is never on screen in the books. And Jaime thinks of him, he was Jaime’s hero.
and this is why in CKII as Aegon...you always make Dragonstone your capital and dont burn Harrenhal during the conquest...instead use Harrenhal as your mainland stronghold and keep your dragons massive living around the Dragonmont which was the entire reason the Targaryens settled Dragonstone
I think the reason most artist don’t included horses is because of Roberts story on the battle he states that his horse fell in battle and he was on foot.
well also bobby Bs weapon is a big fuckin hammer which would be an aweful weapon to use on horseback unless it was one of them smaller one handed ones.
For a few years there GRRM must have had crazy fun having the whole world join in his fantasy creations and take them so seriously. Now that the craze has mostly passed I wonder if he can get back to it, or if it's totally deflated his interest.
@Patrick Höing i prefer for the series to not be finished and to be left ot our imagination rather than to get a shit rushed ennding with no value. maybe he will never finish it. but even so id rather he wont finish it rather than ruin it
@Patrick Höing thats the thing. They didnt have to make the show in 6 episodes.... hbo offered them 13 seasons with a blank check and grrm said that at least 11 seasons needed to be done to tell the story througly with the material that was already out. D&D rushed the writing since they wanted to switch to star wars and we got a shit ending because of it. So id rather for grrm to take his time and get us quality content then realese it quickly and for it to be a dissapointment. And if he doesnt finish it... than its a shame, but at least it wasnt ruined like the tv show.
I wish they could just make a show out of roberts rebellion. it'd tie into game of thrones nicely even if we already know the fate and direction of the show it'd be cool to see everything go down. it'd be a magnificant sight to see robert and ned in there prime fighting wars instead of sitting on thrones and drinking wine
Wow never heard his horse opinion before. It's makes Elden Ring make so much more sense. Also it's much more accurate. Most medieval knights fought on horse back. They didn't get off and put themselves at risk of a horseman coming by and nailing them. They wanted to keep their ability to retreat. Plus exhaustion and movement are greatly hampered by the suits and horse backs removes that problem. Smart
I hope one day HBO will do a mini series leading to the events of the Game of Thrones based on Robert's Rebellion. Oh my god i love that particular event building up to the main series.
In deep geek is the best asoiaf youtuber and has a playlist on all the reasons leading up to the rebellion. I would highly recommend it for a deeper insight as to why this happened. But in short the tourney at harrenhal, and if in doubt blame blood raven
RR, please never die, and never stop writing. I really wish you could write 100.000.000 books and they could make 100.000.000 TV shows about them. Best writer of our time next to Tolkien.
@@vega21 I don’t think so cause there aren’t as much details. Like look at house of dragons, shit is way longer than Robert’s rebellion story but it would only be 5 seasons or less
I'd love to have a show set during this era, even if it was just one season, just all-out-war, plus we'd get to see more Ned Stark and see Robert Baratheon in his prime. Though who knows, perhaps House of the Dragon, if it gets more seasons, will end during the Rebellion. Could be cool.
people often discount Robert's power, to put it into perspective, Rhaegar was a seasoned fighter, almost equal to the likes of Arthur Dayne, Barriston Selmy, Gerold HIghtower etc. Robert killed him with one strike, dead before he hit the ground. Robert Baratheon Prime, was easily the best fighter of his time, likes of The Hound, The mountain , Khal Drogo etc. would not have stood a chance.
Robert's only advantage was the hard long hammer blow, Robert baratheon was a great Warrior but rhaegar was easily the better fighter. In war the best fighter doesn't necessarily always win the battle like Jaimie lannister Arthur dwayne.
He wasn’t a season fighter cause Rhaegar didn’t even like violence , he spent his time singing etc , Robert was a beast don’t get me wrong but he wasn’t better than Arthur or Selmy
Robert didn't kill Rhaegar with a single strike nor did he defeat the prince easily. He was so injured after their duel that he could not continue forwards to King's Landing to claim the throne.
I'm still so pissed that we neve got to see this scene in the show. I mean seriously, it's the most important and epic scene in the lore. With all the other flashbacks throughout the show, I cant believe they didn't give this one to the fans.
@@jacobaurelius5361 (💜 your pic) poking fun at Robert for how he was 'past his prime' and George interjected with how Robert was based off him somewhat "yeah, kinda like me...(sitting right beside you,)"
@@staytuned2L337 yeah that's exactly it. She even added that perhaps that's why people thought so highly of him As if being the king of the seven kingdoms and the one who ended the targyrian dynasty plus personal relations to houses stark and lannister, all count for nothing If you're not skinny
@Riad Azira I think you didn't get what he meant. the younger and skinnier G R Martin would not have been sitting in that chair with people thinking highly of him
Man they really should make like a 1 season or 2 season show adapting Robert’s rebellion it would have a young strong Viking like Robert with his warhammer, Ned, Jamie it would be epic seeing young Robert ride into battle and obliterate his enemies, and it’s such a great story as well
We have to see the battle of the trident on the big screen or the little screen. And we got to see Ned in the middle of battle looking for Arthur Dayne
Ya people don't realize that about the Targaryens. George didn't just write them like that bc he likes incest(That's why he wrote Jamie and Cersei like that lol). They use blood magic to control the dragons. Bc of that they have to be extremely careful who they intermingle their blood with. If they let their daughters go off and marry into other lines then that family would have the blood rights passed down. Creating a rival dragon family. So they have to be really close to the family like The House of Velaryon, or they need the heirs of mixed unions under their control. Like they do when when 2nd sons marry daughters of other Westerosi lord's. Or like how Viserys I married Emma Arryn. She was all ready a cousin of Viserys and they made sure that bloodline married into the Targaryens and didn't get spread to the starks or Lannisters or passed down through the Arryns. It's a pretty big reason why Targaryen kings will take as many wives as they have sisters.
The backstory, the feelings, the motives etc all play a huge part when u're fighting someone, For Rhaegar Robert was just another guy but for Robert Rhaegar was the guy who kidnapped and raped his lover, Anger, Hate, jealousy and want to just destroy him but Rhaegar didn't have any of those
I love that the battle of the tridant is based on the battle of Bannockburn, and Robert killing Rhaegar is directly based on Robert the Bruce killing Sir Henry De Bohun.
I hope one day to see a screen adaptation of this. We all know how it starts and ends but it dosnt matter. Would also love to see the 3 battles at summer hall and the siege of storms end. Would be cool to see a young Stannis the mannis.
Won't spoil it but notice when she says that "Rhaegar kidnapped Robert's betrothed" and George moves and taps his hand a bit. If you ever play poker with him, that's his tell haha
G.R.R.M reminiscing about when he was younger: “Gods, I could write then!”
“ I could finish a book in three years! THREE!”
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@@bobbybaratheon4387 na
@@bobbybaratheon4387 Why did you try to kill me?!
Don't hate the king, hate the game 👑
@@bobbybaratheon4387 I was born to rule the Seven Kingdoms and I will.
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Biggest mistake Rhaegar did was bringing a sword to a hammer fight.
To be fair it was valerian steel
@@tybo8873 it wasn’t. The Targaryens lost their two Valyrian swords to blood ravens exile and the blackfyre’s.
@@tybo8873 even valerian steel doesn't easily cut through plate armor. there was a reason most knights had maces or hammers in the lazer stages of the middle ages
@@XpVersusVista swords were just as, if not even more prevalent than hammers in the later periods. Hammers are great, but there's plenty of ways of efectively using a sword on horseback against armor, and they have a significant number of advantages over hammers.
Oh I see well y’all probably know more than I do about this lore so thank you for educating me on the lore. I’m not being sarcastic I’m actually think it’s cool
i love how as they're looking at this beautiful image, GRRM makes a point of mentioning the name of the artist and going on to compliment his work in general. class act
Was just about to type this, the art is fantastic.
I third this. I was thinking, “who painted this?” And just then George brought up the artist.
The way Robert is described in his prime reminds me of those sports stars who peak too early due to a freakish combination of raw physicality, talent, and sheer desire but then burn out and lose it all to poor discipline and vice.
exactly like Shaq
@@miguelpanganiban7617 just what i was thinking
And roids
@@miguelpanganiban7617 Shaq now though has abs again. Rob stayed fat after his prime exited
@@miguelpanganiban7617 was going to say the same thing lmaoo
When your writing is so good that it literally sounds like real history ✍🏾
Because he copies most of these events from real history
@@kadinwilliams7474 ahhhhh 👍🏾 war of the roses indeed 🌹🔥
@@kadinwilliams7474 copies?
It's called inspired
@@TMTM7 honestly he pulled it off amazingly tho
Same with Tolkien who was on another level
So disappointed we didn't get a flash back to that fight in the tv show.
Probably something about money... 🤬🤬🤬
Wish there was a prequel based on just robert’s rebellion of like 1 or 2 seasons.
It is because they have already planned to film it in next show that comes in 2022
@@mihajlodjordjevic2978 i Read that somewhere apparently it's true
But when talks of prequels and spin offs began
Grrm said word for word, he didn't want to adapt Robert's rebellion cause all the secrets of Robert's rebellion will be disclosed in asoiaf, so it would be a big spoiler
He also said he didn't want them to adapt dunk and egg cause he wants to finish that story first
But now hbo seems to hint at adapting both down the line 🤔
@@TheGamebuzzHD Robert’s rebellion will certainly end adapted, the money a blockbuster film or box set will make is simply too much for HBO to turn down. I reckon seeing more bobby b is enough to make it as big a draw as any other spinoff. ADOD included.
Robert in his prime was scary, known as the “Demon of the Trident”, had the strength of the Mountain but the speed of Oberyn Martell. Not many could match him if any.
Plus the warhammer is a really scary weapon, any kind of injury you cause is incredibly serious, you either kill or maim and finish it after, there is 0 room for error against these kind of weapons, and you need to dodge there is no blocking nor parrying a war hammer blow from Robert
Only Randyll Tarly managed to beat him if I recall
@@alexeiharp7676 he managed to beat him as a commander army vs army, in 1 on 1 only Ser Barristan Selmy would have good chances against Robert. Selmy 100% wins if you give him a Valyrian steel sword. GRRM has said himself, that if you give Selmy a Valyrian steel sword, the tiny gap between him and Ser Arthur Dayne closes and they are equal with Dayne wielding Dawn, the sword is what gives him an edge vs Selmy.
He def didn’t have the strength of the mountain, he was more comparable to the hound in terms of strength.
@@kalocaploc124 it is super effective against armored opponents. No need to worry where to hit them, just hit them with power and wham!
I would’ve love to see the Roberts rebellion storyline turned into a spin-off series. That would be epic
I hope HBO do a mini series about Robert's rebellion leading to the even of the main series!
I dunno, I feel we know enough about it to make the series unnecessary.
Would rather see aegons conquest or nymeria and her 10,000 ships
GRRM said it will never happen
Almost every side story of GoT could be a mini series
@@ThomasFoolery8 I mean yeah but what is the point? Not everything has to be shown, that's kinda the magic of the show/books, there's so many stories that has been told as a legend, mith or historical event, and so like the characters we have to imagine those stories. If everything is becoming a series, spin off and so on, i don't know, in my opinion it's not necessary
Robert’s rebellion should be made in movies...either a trilogy or just a bunch of movies like Harry Potter....but the history behind this event is AMAZING
Better than what we witness in the forbidden season
With Ned looking for Arthur Dayne on a trident
I would prefer a mini series of a few chapters, for me, a trilogy of movies seem to be much time
I agree so the movies can get a bigger budget then a series would
Rheagar looks so badass in that artwork.
So does Robert Baratheon. The artist really emphasized the sheer magnitude of the Battle of the Trident. An epic battle to the death.
The helmet is doing the heavy lifting in that image.
"Nice armor, dipshit. Now check this out." *drives hammer into Rhaegar's chest*
George RR Martín should had been casted as Maester pycelle
How about Maester Aemon ?
how about Hodor 😁
How about as Maester Martyn.
He would have been great as one of the high septons I always thought
He should have played jamie Lannister such a great body and face
Can we just appreciate Roberts Baratheons strength using one arm to hold a two handed weapon.
You do get one handed hammers
@@raphwalker9123 I know but Robert was described as being able to hold a two handed weapon with one hand.
Gods he was strong back then
Favorite thing about asoiaf lore is that events that happened before the books start are still as detailed as events that are fully written. We pretty much find out everything about the whole rebellion
Gotta love that not only did Robert fight with a war hammer in the age of swords, but he did it on horseback, single handed lol. Standing up in the stirrups to boot.
Using a Warhammer would have given him a huge advantage tbh. They were designed to be able to crush or pierce armour compared to swords.
@@ShaunTripp sure, but fighting the momentum of swinging the hammer while standing in stirrups, dudes calves musta been shredded.
A hammer that Ned couldn't lift, what a monster Robert was
@@Kit_Mundo Considering the size of Ice too you know he wasn't some petty weakling either, thing was like 5 foot long
@@TheTittyConnoisseur he never used it in combat. Wouldn’t be too difficult to swing Ice when doing executions.
You know I can't get enough of George RR Martin he's absolutely amazing he's the type of person you wanna hang out with and you'd be able to have a fantastic conversation with
"I got that right?"
I'm trying to remember what I read from the wiki
Oooh so that’s what you do?
Gee thanks Mr. Palpatine, I sure hope you don’t commit galactic-wide genocide anytime soon
@@MrGecko-dm9kh woah did that didn't age well, have you seen today's headline?!
@@image.archive A tad late dude. That headline was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far way, or so.
Nobody has a bigger impact as a dead person than Rhaegar in the books
It’s either that or Ned
@mattdunn1373 ned is alive in the first book so no
He is the tragic hero character, i love that type of characters so much
@@tiagosplitter23 I do too
Literally Robert and Ned dying had more of an impact then Rhaegar dying
I always wonder how that fought went down.. Swing for swing. I thought if they were both on horseback Prince Rhaegar had the upper hand as a skilled knight, yet Robert's true love was violence and Prince Rhaegar hated it. But from the descriptions in the books he is about 6'6 and probably 275-300 lbs of muscle, like a defensive lineman; Rhaegar was more sleek and shorter by 3 or 4 inches. Even a one handed war hammer is going to be swung pretty damn hard by a Khalil Mack of the Westerosi variety..
Bro find a girl or something
Same I'd like to think also that with them getting off their horses and fighting in the mud and muck of the Trident sludging over corpses and in the end Robert's inhumane Strength wpn out and he just crushed Rhaegar and probably mutilated the guys body.
Rhaegar was not more skilled than Robert in combat lmao.
@@Argos-xb8ek I don’t think they ever got off their horses. They fought entirely on horseback IIRC.
Rhaeghar did follow Robert into the Trident, and Martin has stated Rhaeghar was more skilled on horseback.
I think the implication there is that it was a mistake for Rhaeghar to go into the water, where his superior riding skills would be nullified.
Also it was a close fight and Robert was seriously injured, which is why Ned had to go to King’s Landing ahead of him.
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Can't help but notice Martin mention Targaryen Aunts and Nephews marrying.
Is this true?
@@QueenDaenerysTargaryen I think it's more common for the brothers to marry sisters but yes true
R+L=J?
That Jon and I marry?
In the books, is this also true?
@@joelchildress3905 Is Martin mentioning Jon and I marrying?
If so it would be quite the revelation.
he may be referring to Daemon Targaryen and Rhaenyra too
Would love to see Robert's Rebellion
Totally agree
HBO is considering it.
@@balabanasireti how do u know mate ? Hard to find any reliable sources on the next prequel ... I’m hearing it could be dunk and egg
It's the best story. It would be such an epic remake.
@@balabanasireti I hope they do it and I hope they don’t fuck it up.
Did Robert say it’s hammer time before he fought Rhaegar
@@gezenews 😂😂😂
Omg, now I'm Imagining the fight choreographed to that song. Brilliant!
"I am the baratheon, and it's baratheing time"
It's Baratheoning time!
He said it’s morbin time
After the Dance of the Dragons, the Targaryens were never the same. A mighty dynasty that rode Dragons defeated in a single battle by a vassal lord.
dude stop inviting him to shit he needs to finish the books
This was several years ago
@@GabrielPintoMusic It's been 10 years since Dance With the Dragons. That's not an excuse.
@@georgea.9684 no he’s just a perfectionist
@@georgea.9684 2022
@@oisin3495 If he REALLY wanted to finish the series, he would have by now.
Robert in his prime could probably have beaten Gregor Clegane. He was strong and trained daily with one of the most effective weapons against knights in plate armor. Also he had pure rage and adrenaline driving him-Rhaegar may have wounded him but Robert probably barely felt the wounds until after it was over. Furthermore Rhaegar had never truly seen war and probably had the overconfidence in prophecy driving him to face Robert alone. Rhaegar stood no chance of prevailing once Robert drew him into this situation.
Gregor is an idiot a lot of warriors in ASOIAF could easily kill
Well duh, Gregor isn't a good fighter, he's just huge. He's defeated in Tourney combat by Sandor. A stronger, larger, more skilled combatant than Sandor (Robert) would beat him easily. To say nothing of how Gregor actually died fighting Oberyn due to wounds and poison and only killed him because Oberyn was specifically trying to bait a confession and was holding back
I rather see a prequel about the Battle of the Trident and the events leading up to it than Fire and Blood..
No one cares about Robert’s rebellion though, especially Robert Baratheon.
Why do people want a series of things we already know all about?
@@ibrahimmustafa2481 The no of likes on the comment show many do
@@johnr797 we already know about the Targaryen history, so...
@@htut80 oh I know, I'm not endorsing that either. But if I had a nickel for every comment I read saying something like "omg can't wait to see the dragons omg" I'd have like a lot of nickels.
The irony of Robert being the one to overthrow the Targaryens is that the Baratheons are only landed nobles at all because they were one of Aegon's early allies in the conquest.
Except that it wasn't really Robert. It was more Ned and Jon Arryn. Ned just didn't have the desire to sit on the throne, so they defaulted to Robert who also has some Targ blood from that ancestral relationship. Even in the midst of a coup they were defaulting to whomever had the closest bloodline to the Targs. Robert lies to himself about doing it for Lyanna, but he really just liked fighting. He was like MJ just looking for slights to fuel him.
@@wesmantooth32 true. "Replace" would have been a better word. And yeah, Aegon V was his great grandfather
Actually, the Baratheons started out with Aegon's bastard brother, Orys. The Durrandons were the ruling house of the Stormlands. After the conquest, Aegon married Orys to the former Durrandon king's only daughter and Orys took the Durrandon coat of arms (the black stag as we know it) and founded the Baratheon house.
@@MateusAlves-qe5jp that's what I'm saying, they rule the stormlands because they sided with Aegon. I thought Orys as bastard brother wasn't for sure?
@@OfficialPizza yeah it is a rumour, but you know how the saying goes, where there's smoke there's fire. Also my bad, I misinterpreted your initial post. Atleast I included some extra info I guess lol.
Roberts rebellion deserves its own movie/show
I cant wait to read the last book in 500 years
You mean 5000 years as like the same amount of time went by in Westeros without any technological change
You should get it never, go another fandom where the autor publishes 3 one hundred pages book a decade. And plesase take yoir entitlement with you on your way out.
“The dragons died or left the known lands of Westeros” ice dragon coming from those loosed dragons after the dance of dragons
Technically, I think he's referring specifically to Cannibal, which is the one dragon in the lore without a canonical demise... Cannibal was a wild dragon that lived on Dragonstone, smaller than Balerion but larger than any other dragon alive during the Dance, it was completely un-tamable and had a possibly fictitious reputation for preferring to eat other younger dragons and eggs above all other food sources (hence the name Cannibal). In Fire & Blood / A World of Ice and Fire, all of the Targaryen dragons are accounted for, except Cannibal, who flies away from Dragonstone and is never seen again.
Is it possible that Cannibal flew north of the wall and got iced by the Walkers? Sure, entirely. But it's equally possible that Cannibal ended up flying off to Skagos, the island of cannibals, and has been living there worshiped as a deity by the comparatively primitive locals who offer sacrifices to the dragon. I only bring this up because a known warg with a wild temperment is currently thought to be in hiding on Skagos, and I just really want to see 5-year-old Rickon ride an angry dragon and fuck shit up.
Either that, or Rickon's entire story line is a fucking pointless waste of time and will end with a stupid pun or something, making everything about Rickon Stark and his direwolf one giant... Shaggy Dog story.
Are you referring to short story “The Ice Dragon”?
Because that story isn’t apart of ASOIAF.
Bobby B using what should be a 2 handed hammer 1 handed and utterly roflstomping Rhaegar is one of my favorite moments in this whole setting
I like how he knows the artwork of his writing so well as well as the creators. Also really like how he confirms that Bobby and RheaRhea were on horses when they fought.
The most amazing story of all time and the main charicter the hero the main man was dead before the story even began and never made an appearance .....incredible
How is he the main man? Is this a cliche or what? Have seen this comment a hundred times. Tell me how is rhaegar the main man? Did you even read the books? Calling rhaegar the main man when there are dany jon tyrion and bran is absolutely ridiculous
@@darkseidistheboss5781 rhaegar is the usual fantasy hero. Princely, handsome, a prodigy. Lyanna herself, imo, is much the same. Martin was playing with tropes and his play led him to explore what would happen if the heroes died? She loved rhaegar. Robert and her had no love because it was a betrothal and she knew Robert as a philanderer. It was all in roberts head, he couldn't accept her not wanting him.
@@ciscornBIG Arthur Dayne is also a noble handsome knight in a shining armor and no one gives a shit about him
@@asymbolofpurehatred What do you mean no one gives a shit about him?
Fans bring him up a lot, he’s very popular for someone who is never on screen in the books. And Jaime thinks of him, he was Jaime’s hero.
@@asymbolofpurehatred I do lol
"The TV show is short on horse's"
-George R. R. Martin
The thumbnail: using art depicting the fight without horses.
Martin: “am I a joke to you?”
So is King Stannis gonna destroy the Boltons or what?
He'd better
The one true King
All we can do is hope
Norumbega Man Aegon Targaryen is the one true king. Stannis and the Baratheon brood are but pretenders.
@@comradekenobi8146 False. Any Targaryen has just about as much of a claim as hot pie.
Gotta love it when they choose someone who hasn't read the books to interview George lol you can always tell
The Dream of A Spring will remain just that, isn't it - just a dream
I don't think we'll even get TWoW tbh
@@htut80if you belive it you should stop hanging arund here and complaining. Get off the fandom.
"Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna" George's reaction LOL. This is so old that GRRM thought he still had the element of surprise on R±L=J.
It's technically still possible the books will deviate but it seems very unlikely
The face of someone who REALLY wants to correct her, but he can't.
I'd call it kidnapped regardless given he was like 30 and she was 14
and this is why in CKII as Aegon...you always make Dragonstone your capital and dont burn Harrenhal during the conquest...instead use Harrenhal as your mainland stronghold and keep your dragons massive living around the Dragonmont which was the entire reason the Targaryens settled Dragonstone
I love how he talks about this like it actually happened.
I think the reason most artist don’t included horses is because of Roberts story on the battle he states that his horse fell in battle and he was on foot.
that was the battle of summerhall that he describe not the trident
@@ahmadsahidkartels1639 ah you would be correct. Haven’t watched it in so long that I mixed it up. Thanks for the correction.
well also bobby Bs weapon is a big fuckin hammer which would be an aweful weapon to use on horseback unless it was one of them smaller one handed ones.
Battle of Summerhall is when that happens I believe
That painting belongs in a museum it’s so majestic.
I love the illustration. It's my new desktop wallpaper.
There needs to be a prequel to Game of Thrones, which deals with all of Robert’s rebellion, from its origins to Robert ascending the Iron Throne.
George doesn't want to make it because it'd spoil the future books
@@daboos6353 It wouldn’t have to, but could be both exceptionally entertaining and answer some questions that we all have.
So this why Robert with his Hammer is best warrior of all series! Robert was like Hulk. Big, strong, raging and fast! No one like Robert in the ASOIAF
“Thank the Gods for Bessie”
“And her tits”
😂😂❤❤
Demon of the Trident is still my favorite nicknames from the books.
For a few years there GRRM must have had crazy fun having the whole world join in his fantasy creations and take them so seriously. Now that the craze has mostly passed I wonder if he can get back to it, or if it's totally deflated his interest.
@Patrick Höing more like. After the diaster that was s8 we saw the conseqounces of rushed writing. And he doesnt want to do that mistake.
@Patrick Höing i prefer for the series to not be finished and to be left ot our imagination rather than to get a shit rushed ennding with no value. maybe he will never finish it. but even so id rather he wont finish it rather than ruin it
@Patrick Höing thats the thing. They didnt have to make the show in 6 episodes.... hbo offered them 13 seasons with a blank check and grrm said that at least 11 seasons needed to be done to tell the story througly with the material that was already out. D&D rushed the writing since they wanted to switch to star wars and we got a shit ending because of it. So id rather for grrm to take his time and get us quality content then realese it quickly and for it to be a dissapointment. And if he doesnt finish it... than its a shame, but at least it wasnt ruined like the tv show.
If GRRM published an ending tomorrow, it could hardly be considered "rushed" after more than 10 years of writing since publishing DwD.
Mah queen
I dun wun it
I wish they could just make a show out of roberts rebellion. it'd tie into game of thrones nicely even if we already know the fate and direction of the show it'd be cool to see everything go down. it'd be a magnificant sight to see robert and ned in there prime fighting wars instead of sitting on thrones and drinking wine
Wow never heard his horse opinion before. It's makes Elden Ring make so much more sense. Also it's much more accurate. Most medieval knights fought on horse back. They didn't get off and put themselves at risk of a horseman coming by and nailing them. They wanted to keep their ability to retreat. Plus exhaustion and movement are greatly hampered by the suits and horse backs removes that problem.
Smart
Barristan to Rhagar, "Heý wanna go out n get hammered?"
Rhaegar has some very cool armor
"Rhaegar has kidnapped Lyanna, Neds sister and Roberts betrothed"
GRRM: "👀"
I hope one day HBO will do a mini series leading to the events of the Game of Thrones based on Robert's Rebellion. Oh my god i love that particular event building up to the main series.
In deep geek is the best asoiaf youtuber and has a playlist on all the reasons leading up to the rebellion. I would highly recommend it for a deeper insight as to why this happened. But in short the tourney at harrenhal, and if in doubt blame blood raven
Alt shift x is better
RR, please never die, and never stop writing. I really wish you could write 100.000.000 books and they could make 100.000.000 TV shows about them. Best writer of our time next to Tolkien.
The interviewer was really nervous or she had no clue what to ask George?
She didn’t read the books.
@@Da_Homie12 I don't even think she watched the show
Perhaps, both
@@jaimelannister1797 don’t blame her
Would love to see a series on that whole story. Robert's Rebellion would be fun to watch.
We all would love to see it. George is the one preventing it.
@@vega21 and he’s right to prevent it cause the show would end in 2 seasons
@@mrbeard798 You can stretch it out into 3 yrs easily.
@@vega21 I don’t think so cause there aren’t as much details. Like look at house of dragons, shit is way longer than Robert’s rebellion story but it would only be 5 seasons or less
@@mrbeard798 show it start to finish. 30 episodes is very easy
The flashback I wanted so bad I hope we get a spin-off of this instead of a movie I feel like 2hrs won’t cut it
I'd love to have a show set during this era, even if it was just one season, just all-out-war, plus we'd get to see more Ned Stark and see Robert Baratheon in his prime.
Though who knows, perhaps House of the Dragon, if it gets more seasons, will end during the Rebellion. Could be cool.
Would love to see Rhaegar
people often discount Robert's power, to put it into perspective, Rhaegar was a seasoned fighter, almost equal to the likes of Arthur Dayne, Barriston Selmy, Gerold HIghtower etc. Robert killed him with one strike, dead before he hit the ground. Robert Baratheon Prime, was easily the best fighter of his time, likes of The Hound, The mountain , Khal Drogo etc. would not have stood a chance.
Robert's only advantage was the hard long hammer blow, Robert baratheon was a great Warrior but rhaegar was easily the better fighter. In war the best fighter doesn't necessarily always win the battle like Jaimie lannister Arthur dwayne.
He wasn’t a season fighter cause Rhaegar didn’t even like violence , he spent his time singing etc , Robert was a beast don’t get me wrong but he wasn’t better than Arthur or Selmy
@@joasbenjamin7926 but he was definitely in their league.
@@shaheenshad5012 ofc he was
Robert didn't kill Rhaegar with a single strike nor did he defeat the prince easily. He was so injured after their duel that he could not continue forwards to King's Landing to claim the throne.
I'm still so pissed that we neve got to see this scene in the show. I mean seriously, it's the most important and epic scene in the lore. With all the other flashbacks throughout the show, I cant believe they didn't give this one to the fans.
Roberts rebellion should have been the first spinoff, not more Targaryens, as like we haven't had enough of them already.
love how he shuts down the interviewer's attempted fat joke so cleverly and loved how the audience loved it
Masterful.
Fat joke?
@@jacobaurelius5361 (💜 your pic) poking fun at Robert for how he was 'past his prime' and George interjected with how Robert was based off him somewhat "yeah, kinda like me...(sitting right beside you,)"
@@staytuned2L337 yeah that's exactly it.
She even added that perhaps that's why people thought so highly of him
As if being the king of the seven kingdoms and the one who ended the targyrian dynasty plus personal relations to houses stark and lannister, all count for nothing
If you're not skinny
@Riad Azira I think you didn't get what he meant.
the younger and skinnier G R Martin would not have been sitting in that chair with people thinking highly of him
Man they really should make like a 1 season or 2 season show adapting Robert’s rebellion it would have a young strong Viking like Robert with his warhammer, Ned, Jamie it would be epic seeing young Robert ride into battle and obliterate his enemies, and it’s such a great story as well
Nice to see the old prospector is back outside the box! Love toy story
The subtle nod when she mentions Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna
Robert is the knight who slayed the monster and didn't know what to do with his life afterwards
We have to see the battle of the trident on the big screen or the little screen. And we got to see Ned in the middle of battle looking for Arthur Dayne
I love how he knows exactly who made the painting instantly.
God... I want to see Demon of the Trident one day...
Ya people don't realize that about the Targaryens. George didn't just write them like that bc he likes incest(That's why he wrote Jamie and Cersei like that lol). They use blood magic to control the dragons. Bc of that they have to be extremely careful who they intermingle their blood with. If they let their daughters go off and marry into other lines then that family would have the blood rights passed down. Creating a rival dragon family. So they have to be really close to the family like The House of Velaryon, or they need the heirs of mixed unions under their control. Like they do when when 2nd sons marry daughters of other Westerosi lord's. Or like how Viserys I married Emma Arryn. She was all ready a cousin of Viserys and they made sure that bloodline married into the Targaryens and didn't get spread to the starks or Lannisters or passed down through the Arryns.
It's a pretty big reason why Targaryen kings will take as many wives as they have sisters.
Honestly they could have a movie trilogy with the battle and also past event at least Aegon conquest
"The TV show was short on horses" I think this is George explaining why we never got Tyrek Lannister during the riot in King's Landing in S2
START THE DAMN JOUST BEFORE I PISS MYSELF
Bobby B
The backstory, the feelings, the motives etc all play a huge part when u're fighting someone, For Rhaegar Robert was just another guy but for Robert Rhaegar was the guy who kidnapped and raped his lover, Anger, Hate, jealousy and want to just destroy him but Rhaegar didn't have any of those
Reminds me of the story of the snail in Training Day
Rhaegar losses to robert 9/10 times
I picture Robert as like sauron, "the demon", just swinging his mace and watching elfs like rhaegar go flying.
I would love to see the battle of the Trident on a show.
This show had awesome before the last 2-3 seasons
I would have liked to see a cameo of him in the series as a maester writing books in the citadel
I love that the battle of the tridant is based on the battle of Bannockburn, and Robert killing Rhaegar is directly based on Robert the Bruce killing Sir Henry De Bohun.
Rhaegar: thine will defeat thy with thine honorable ritual of sword combat
Robert: FUCK YER FANCY TALK (Pulls out Warhammer) BFG Division starts.
I am really eager to watch Roberts rebellion, it has lot of great plot that's intriguing
Where can I find a full interview? Does anybody have a link to the full interview
He has such a mischievous laugh. He reminds me of a Tolkien dwarf.
He reminds me of a troll.
I want to see TV adaptation of Robert’s Rebellion
On the painting, what is on the right in the backgrounds? Ruins of a castle?
When my dragons are grown, we will take what was stolen from me, we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥🔥🔥🔥
I hope one day to see a screen adaptation of this. We all know how it starts and ends but it dosnt matter. Would also love to see the 3 battles at summer hall and the siege of storms end. Would be cool to see a young Stannis the mannis.
GRRM said it's not going to happen
@@muchanadziko6378 yeah I know but a man can dream lol
How much do you want to bet this story will be made into a show in the next 20 years?
“The TV show is short on horses”
*cries in Golden Company*
Sometime in the future, GOT should do a live action of this.
Can we please get a roberts rebellion series on our TV's ... depriving us here 🤨
Won't spoil it but notice when she says that "Rhaegar kidnapped Robert's betrothed" and George moves and taps his hand a bit. If you ever play poker with him, that's his tell haha
Rhyghar was a great man
ASoIaF will go down as the most famous unfinished series of novels ever
Still waiting on that next book there George!