How Many Days Can I Commute Without Charging?
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- This video is meant to address range anxiety among prospective EV owners that don't have the ability to charge at home. When I had multiple days of similar weather, I tested out how many days I can drive my 60 mile round trip work commute without charging. I did nothing to maximize range, and left all of the creature comforts and security features turned on.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:13 - Day 1
04:28 - Day 2
12:03 - Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
I really appreciated this test. So tired of people bombing down the hwy on roadtrips for 300 miles. My work commute is half the distance, 32 miles round trip. So I'm pretty sure I could run a work week (5 days) with no charge. I wouldn't have "all the creature comforts" running. Having said that, i have a Level 2 charger in the garage, and pass by a supercharger on the way to and from work. This video really showed me that I'm an ideal candidate for a next EV purchase.
Much of your range loss can be mitigated by making some tweaks. If you're parking at home and in a garage you may not need Sentry Mode. If you live in a fairly quiet neighborhood you may not need Sentry Mode. My neighborhood is fairly safe at night and I park outside. We don't get a lot of foot traffic in my area. I do leave Sentry Mode on but I plug in every night so there's no drain. Also I have the 2170 cells and not LFP so I only charge to 80%.
I personally don't think Cabin Overheat is needed. When I'm leaving work on a hot day I simply turn the AC on from the app and about time I get to the car it's comfortable enough. In your case with it being 64 degrees in the morning I personally don't think you need the scheduled precondition. It's actually warm enough not to need to use that setting. And it's cold enough outside that when you get in and use the AC it won't take long to cool the cabin down. Now, when it gets below 50 degrees outside or cooler is when I normally start using the precondition setting but I always have my car plugged in to mitigate any loss.
I always leave Sentry mode on, whether I'm home or at work etc. I park next to other employees and would love not to use it but the reality is you have to because you just can't chance it. Losing 15% over night like you did is a tough number to see but like I said, I think that you can do some things to avoid those loses.
Edit: You may need to do the test over with many of the things you said you were going to turn off or use my recommendations above about not needing that stuff and needing it while at home. Additionally, try not to constantly go into the Tesla app to check the car. Doing so wakes the car up and that uses energy. Just wait and check the stats in the morning when you get in the car.
Nice video. The point being made seems like not having a home charging option can make driving an EV impractical, if you dont have a close supercharger. The test was...not news..but was fun to watch.
What you need to do is try this test with only using your 110 after 2 days. While you sleep will you get enough charge (with creature comforts on)to repeat the 2 day process. This way others can see if a basic 110 is viable for 60mile round trip commute. Id time this with a day off on day 3...just incase it does not. Other videos have shown plugging up using a 110 during winter...I dont recall summer video's. Just something to consider.
That has already been answered many times. 60 miles a day would be tough on 110 volts as he will only be able to charge between 30 to 40 miles a day depending on how long the car sits at home. He could catch up on the weekend if they didn't drive too far during that weekend.
It is very doable in his case but even in the coldest of Winters but it would much more sense to put in a 240 volt charger. The vast majority of people drive less than 40 miles a day and they could easily use a 110 volt but while 60m miles a day is doable it is pushing it.
Also the saving that come from not having to pay for gas while driving 60 miles a day will far exceed most 240 volt charger installs.
Leaving sentry and cabin overheat is just wasting battery. I just leave sentry when outside the house. Even at work parking lot... sitting there for 8 hours thats like 10% wasted daily. You sabotaged your test form the get go.
Was going to say the same thing , kinda like a pointless test
I've had my windows broken in my F150 while parked at work. Several years ago, I also parked a New Tacoma at work with less than 700 miles on it and I had someone rear-end me and take off. Got off work to find the bumper smashed. I say all of that because I would never turn off sentry mode unless I was parked in my garage.If I have to leave it in my driveway, then sentry mode is left on. So, I do think it's accurate to leave sentry mode on.
Great video, thanks for sharing this one, good stuff. You know 2 days of commuting to work and back is really good considering the distance you have to travel. You could probably push an extra round trip if you needed to, but it's really not necessary especially since you can home charge, that's a no brainer.
if you have to run any extra errands making it that you have to drive around a bit more than just commuting, you can always charge while you do some shopping over grab a bite to eat. Living the EV life style is the best, and I don't miss driving a gas powered car at all.
This kind of testing may be nice, but depends on weather, how many passengers you have with you, A/C or Heat on, do you have Sentry mode turned on when parked at work, if you pre-condition the Tesla before driving. and few other things.
I am not too worried about this kind of thing, because I just do short daily trips around my town, and charge up the Tesla when necessary. I find pre-conditioning myTesla does drain the battery down a small percentage.
Thanks for the video, take care.
Sentry mode took more battery than anything in my experience. It tends to keep the car awake and using a higher power draw for a longer period of time than any preconditioning will. Even so, with a 66 mile commute I can only make about 2.5 trips without charging. This ends up being important to me because I can sometimes get a low speed L2 plug at work to restore some range.
You might consider the automatic settings to turn off sentry at home and work if you can. I'm able to do this because of a garage at home and gated workplace.
Hi! Thank you for taking the time to put this video together.
I'm taking delivery of a Model Y in the next week or so and have been wondering about how long the car could just sit in the garage and be used for short trips without charging. I'm retired and hoping to get least 5-7 days of light use keeping the battery charged to 80% and using to 20% before the next charge.
It seems like you're needlessly allowing the car to squander power just sitting there. I live in CA where we have the highest electric rates in the country (.64/kwh peak) so the first features that I'll be turning off are Sentry Mode and any kind of cabin conditioning while it's just sitting in the garage.
I have no idea what the parking situation is at your place of employment, but do you really need sentry mode running while parked at work or over night in the garage? Further, keeping the cabin air conditioned most of the day?
We all have let cars sit in the sun out of necessity since the beginning. Is the Tesla really that sensitive to 125 degree interior heat sitting out in a parking lot? Leaving Cabin Conditioning on 24/7 seems pretty extreme.
Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks again.
The Tesla isn’t that sensitive, I am. I charge from home solar, and with 4 EVs the only month my roof doesn’t supply the power I need for the house and cars is December. I’d recommend it if you can, especially with that rate. I don’t have a garage, but if you do, you should definitely turn those things off. Does your utility provider have off peak rates at night? If they do, it would be good to program the car to charge at those times.
In my 21 Niro EV I can get to work and back in summer about 10-12 times but of course that’s comparing apples to oranges. Depending on if I go to Sonic for lunch my commute is 25-27 miles per day round trip.
Hi Spinner, did you do the same video for your Chevy Bolt? If yes, could you provide comparison numbers??!!
I haven’t filmed that video but need to
I think it would be interesting to do a video that shows what happens to your morning commute if you wake up in the morning and find the car at an unexpectedly low state of charge, perhaps because you did a longer-than-usual drive the previous day and forgot to plug in overnight. You can then measure how much longer the commute takes if you leave home at 15% and stop to charge on the way to work vs. leaving home with a normal charge level.
Lots of people who don't drive or understand electric cars think the moment you have to stop and charge that you'll have to sit there for 45 minutes and arrive at work extremely late. In reality, even a Bolt, the slowest charging EV around, can still add about 20 miles of range in 7 minutes, while a Tesla at a supercharger could probably add well over 50 miles of range in those same 7 minutes. Since you only need to charge long enough to be able to go to work and back, this puts the total delay from forgetting to plug in at home on par with driving a combustion car and needing to stop for gas(*).
(Note: this comment assumes that a DC fast charger actually exists on the way to work that doesn't require a long detour to get to, an assumption that is true in most areas for people who live in urban/suburban areas and have long'ish commutes, but is, admittedly not the case everywhere).
I’ll add that idea to the list.
*My dad was arguing about the range of a Tesla, in Australia average is 33km per day driven, i told him its over two weeks including shopping on weekends, lol, he stopped arguing when i showed the evidence.* 😂😂
What year is your Model 3? Standard range? Sadly I don’t remember from previous videos
2022 standard range
Thank you. Is it EPA 259 miles? This is the one you purchased from Hertz, correct?
@joeyvinzo4531 yes it’s the one I purchased from Hertz. The mileage projection is just what the car displays
I really don't know why you are going off the miles setting. It's never correct in a Tesla. The battery percentage is a better way. The Bolts GOM is better in giving you a better range setup. Thanks for the video.
Lmao. That has to be a Joke. I owned a 2019 Bolt. GOM was complete ass. It was never right. At 100% I would get 160 miles on the highway (70 MPH). I traded it and got a Model Y. The range is much better. Tesla efficiency is top notch. Bolt, sadly, is a poorly designed vehicle.
This is where solar panels on a car would be "beneficial" because they might not be able to "charge" a car but they sure as hell could sustain a charge throughout the time you are not using your car.
Waiting for Aptera
@@SpinnerEV yea thats a very promising idea technologically speaking. Aesthetically no so much. Like if tesla had a roof top and rear windows with solar panels that may be enough surface area to sustain the drainage from preconditioning and sentry mode. Then you could literally drive all week or more without charging.
Lots of phantom drain. Lots of wasted electricity. Lots of inefficiency.
We have the same commute on the third day I have to charge in order to make it home I get to the charge station with 7%. But I don't think that's good for the battery so I just charge every two days to enjoy the car.
So as a commuter vehicle. What is the difference between this Tesla and your Bolt. I don’t really see any difference other than the Tesla charging network
In terms of efficiency and cost per mile for energy, they’re very similar. The Bolt is an easy car to drive, but the Tesla seems easier and more enjoyable to me. Then there are the little things, such as the ease of voice commands and the navigation coming on automatically when it’s time to go to work. And the app interfaces are night and day. The Tesla app is quick and gives access to a large number of features, where the My Chevrolet app is minimal and slow to respond.
@@SpinnerEV I may be biased since I own a Bolt, but, while the Tesla App is far superior to the Bolt App, the Bolt has Car Play; which for me is the difference. I cannot imagine never being without Car Play. Therefore, advantage Bolt.
@@jerrycoleman4970 I've had both, and the driving and assistance features of the Tesla are head and shoulders above the Bolt also. The Bolt was a nice A-B car with the ability to get 4 people to a destination. The functionality that I and many people used in Carplay are all available things in the Tesla screens. Using Spotify and Google Maps for example is a nearly identical experience and easier to navigate in the Tesla. Waze in Tesla is a little clunkier to interface.
Hey, Spinner. I have started charging my Bolt only every other day, since battery life is measured in cycles (I think). I figure if I halve the number of charge cycles, I double my car's life. That's with LG NMC cells. I don't know as much about LiFePo cells. I'm happy for you that you got a Tesla, but miss your Bolt content.
I’m planning on a mixed driving range test with the Bolt in a couple of weeks.
If you do 60% - 80% five times that's considered one charge cycle. 30%-80% two times is also one charge cycle.
YMMV. With my electric Smart car, I could go 9 days between “fill ups”. My commute was 11 miles round trip. But that was back in 2015. The phantom drain concerns me, but it isn’t my car. Your presentation helps others by showing what happens in the real world. Not some made for TV commercial that points out stupid stuff, like the Jeep with more grill slots. Thanks for your efforts.
If you would consider it, run the Tesla for a week, then the Bolt for a week. Tell me which one is more economical on your commute. Strictly on miles per kWh, and amount of juice used to recharge.
I have heard maintaining your battery close to 50% charge will prevent degradation even with charging more frequently. For a 60 mile commute you would charge to about 65% and end your commute at 43.4%, assuming your efficiency is 4mi/kwh. Maybe charge higher in winter for heavy heater usage. The duty cycle graph I found shows it going from a lifetime of 3000 cycles to approximately 8000 cycles!
@@jensn6490 Thanks! Do you remember where you saw this graph? My car gets about 3.3 mi/kWh (my commute is 90% freeway). In the winter, it gets about 2.5 mi/kWh.
Cabin overheat is a waste of just cool it down before getting to your car.
Everyone is getting the spring update except me 😢😢😢. I just want it already uncle Elon
Does any ICE car have “cabin overheat protection?”
Yes, a vented sunroof.
Why would you need to run scheduled departure when its only 64f, seems like a waste of energy, warming up the cabin and battery slightly at that temp is better done whilst driving. Well thats the case in my m3lr anyway.
Good point
Two comments #1 range anxiety, I can't charge at home and literally never have range anxiety even on longer trips, East Coast densely populated = enough chargers (could still be a lot better) and I have had to rescue a friend in an ICE car who thought she could make it a little further on an empty tank. #2 Is this a Telsa thing to lose so much range while the car sits over night? I went on a 5 day trip recently, left my Bolt parked out in the sun and rain in economy airport parking and it didn't lose a mile.
It was the settings I had activated. I’ll likely do the test again in the fall without those settings. I’ll also do the same test with the Bolt to make it more definitive.
I just discovered your channel and plan to review your Bolt experience. I retired from GM in 2018 and after 7 years am back to driving my 150,000+ mile Chevy Equinox (3.0 liter V6). I’ve been watching hundreds of Tesla owners UA-cam videos and have been trying to decide whether I can make a difference at 68 years of age by switching to an electric car. Thoughts?
@ArthurRondeau-me1sb I personally enjoy the EV driving experience; the way the car responds to driver input, the low cost of operation, the convenience of fueling up at home. Have you driven any sort of EV?
@@ArthurRondeau-me1sb I had a 2012 Chevy Sonic, it was a surprisingly good car, especially for the price. Then I got a 2019 Honda Fit that I never liked. Not from the moment I drove it off the lot. A year or two later I got super climate conscious and just got FOMO over all the climate scientist I listened to brag about their EV's. So I did something bad for the environment and traded in a perfectly good car for a new EV. I went with the Bolt because Elon drives me nuts and the Hyundia I test drove didn't appear to be worth all the extra $ they were asking. So far the Bolt has not disappointed. I love it, just had it's first birthday. I'm 46 and had 0 trouble adapting to an EV, I even let my 16 year old drive it and he prefers it 100x over our ICE car.
@@SpinnerEV Yes, I have driven a MY a couple of years ago but only had it for about 45 minutes from the closest Tesla store. I see the recent price reductions as very tempting incentives to purchase now. Think I should drive a new one soon!
Turn off sentry mode to save energy
The answer to that question should be one, because in order to maintain peak performance of your batteries, you should have it plugged in whenever possible when not driving, Even if that is into a 120V outlet. For those without access to that bare minimum, supercharging will be needed regularly, which will be inconvenient, much more expensive, and will contribute to premature degradation of the batteries.
Regarding range anxiety, that has nothing to do with commuting to and from work, unless somebody commutes a few hundred miles every day. It has to do with times traveling when driving several hundred miles at a time, which a lot of people do.
Twice each year I travel 3000 miles round trip to visit family. A few other times each year I travel 400 miles round-trip to visit family. The new base level model Y now is rated at 320 miles per charge, which is still not as much as I would like, but with the 0.99% financing, and my current vehicle getting pretty old, I decided I would make the jump anyway. At 260 miles of range for the previous version, that simply was not even close to being enough. Again, this has nothing to do with work, because my round-trip commute for work is only 36 miles. It purely has to do with the five or six other times during the year where limited range will contribute to a significant increase in travel time when visiting family.
Battery conditioning when its not that cold and doing a 30 mile trip is a waste
Why do you use cabin overheat? You don’t have kids and cabin overheat is meant to protect anyone left behind accidentally. You are wasting battery using it. If it’s too hot turn on AC 5 minutes before you leave. You gave away at least one leg of a trip to that waste.
Previous tests that I’ve run have shown me that cabin overheat doesn’t take that much more considering how much more the ac has to work when the cabin gets over 130 degrees without it. I did two tests a month apart with it on and with it off for each test. The difference proved to be negligible.
@@SpinnerEV I think your test was flawed and this test showed more. Cabin overheat is not for the use you are using it for and does not allow the car to go to sleep. To each their own but you gave away at least one leg of driving.
@RatsTesla I agree that I gave up a leg, but I think my bigger mistake was leaving the scheduled departure and preconditioning on. That was completely unnecessary on my part. I also could have pushed one more one way trip, I just didn’t want to have to charge at the supercharger on the way TO work. The stop would have been less than 5 minutes, but the traffic would have cost me almost 15 more minutes. I fully plan to do the test again in the fall. When I do it then, I’ll do one attempt with cabin overheat, preconditioning, and sentry on, then another attempt with all of those off.
@@SpinnerEV I still think that your use of cabinet overheat is a waste of battery. Teslas are tested to very high temps. The cabin overheat is not needed to protect anything other than people.