Now try some of the others! The EP is also waterproof. No "twist-up" mechanism to wear out or break. It's lightweight for its size compared to it's steel competitors. Works well for fast Dobs too. And no undercuts!
I agree with your review! I started out with one Morpheus, now I have 3 and planning to own the entire set. It is the best all around eyepiece of all time. There is no other that can match everything it can do.
The 6.5 is really good, find myself reaching for them even though the Morpheus 4.5 provides a lot more magnification. The 17.5 Morpheus are the eyepieces that give me goosebumps every time.
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been hoping you’d review a Morpheus eyepiece, and that you’d say it was excellent. The cost is about as much as I can justify for an eyepiece… and now you’ve confirmed it gets you a sharp, bright, flat, virtually aberration free image, seen through a very large top lens, with decent eye relief, and a very forgiving viewing angle. No wonder it became one of your favorites so quickly. I do think the most direct Tele Vue comparison is the Delos. They run about $80-100 more, have 20mm eye relief across the line, a 35mm top lens, and a little less FOV at 72 degrees. Most likely, as with the DeLite, they’re a little better optically… they are made by Tele Vue after all. But then you give up the wide compatibility options and thoughtful design of the Morpheus… and you pay more. To me that makes the Morpheus an easy choice for a premium eyepiece. My dream visual system includes several pairs of them, along with the Denkmeier binotron super system with power and filter switch, and a Skywatcher flextube goto dob. Their dob tube can be extended fully or 4 inches shorter so a binoviewer doesn’t need a glass path corrector to reach focus… Yes, it’s a dream I have… Thanks again for being so informative, thorough, and pleasant. You obviously love what you do and I always enjoy watching your reviews. 🙏
@paullawrencesmith9554 Thank you! Here in Germany the 6mm Delos costs 620 Euro, which is just ridiculous. At this price it's not even a contest between the two. But I agree specs-wise it's the direct competitor to the Morpheus. Your dream setup is a real end game setup if you ask me - just perfect. Clear skies 🙂
@@BogdanDamian Wow, I didn’t know there was such a huge price difference. Here in the states a Delos costs a little under $400 and the Morpheus costs about $300, which still isn’t cheap. But when considering it as a lifetime investment with perhaps the most versatility and compatibility of any eyepiece and having such excellent visual and build quality, I think the Morpheus becomes an easy choice. Thanks again for all that you do, and be safe and well. Clear skies! 🙏
@@paullawrencesmith9554 In May there was 20% discount campaign (first time) for the Morpheus and got them for ~220€ with 24% VAT included. While just Delites would cost normally well over 400€ here in Europe. (something smelling and "it ain't fresh smell") And actually AFOV of most Morpheus models is 78° which is moving toward Nagler (/ES82/UWA) territory but with far easier eye relief. Not sure if Baader is going to make those discounts on Morpheus more regular like with Hyperion (whose normal price isn't good for eyepieces designed for like f/7 and slower telescopes) but certainly worthy to keep on eye on Baader prices.
The Baader Morpheus eyepieces run about $300 here in the US. For Saturn right now at opposition I use the Baader 18mm Orthoscopic in a 2.5x Luminos 4 element Barlow, sharp in my 102 triplet at 100x.
Bogdan, I was pleased to see that you dropped a new video. And once again you do not disappoint us. Very nice review of the Morpheus 6.5 eyepiece. Just curious, do you know the eye relief of the Televu DeLite eyepiece as you mentioned that you find the DeLite to be more comfortable than the Morpheus which I believe has an 18.5 mm eye relief. Thanks and great job on the video. Ed
I own this eyepiece and can say your review is spot on - jaw dropping views of Saturn and Jupiter in a 12 inch dob. But why do I know? - I can’t even work out how to make the glow in the dark numbers light up and I’ve no clue who uses those metal clip thingies 😂
More people need to try vixen LVW lanthanum superwide eyepieces, which are the original japanese made ones that the orion stratus and later the hyperion which the same as the stratus but with the modular threaded stuff and "phantom.coatings". They were originally available in the US as the Orion Lanthanum superwide, until the stratus came out as the lower priced replacement. They absolutely blow the hyperions out of the water, the japanese make the best glass, along with the germans, but hyperions are NOT made in Germany. The build quality is also amazing and they are slightly smaller. They spec out at 65 degrees, all have 20mm eye relief with rare earth lanthanum glass. They hold up very well compared to a pentax xw or xl, beating some of the pentax focal lengths especially the 20XW not being as sharp at the edge as the 17mm and 22mm LVW. And since they aren't forum hyped like baader, they might be comparably priced or less if not only slightly more than a morpheus, since i remember these being in the $239-$279 range back when hyperions were $130,.radians $250 and type 6 naglers $309. Unfortunately the us vixen dealer closed shop or at least stopped being the vixen distributor a few years ago. Used They arent terribly expensive because not many people know how awesome they are. From 3.5mn to 22mm, and there was a 42mm 2", but that was a different design without the same level of edge correction, much like the old 2" 30mm and 35mm stratos which i believe iirc baader sold as the scopos. The 24mm hyperion and stratus were also a different design having neither corrective negative field group, or a panoptic/es68/5k SWA style highly concave field lens. In the AT66ed f6 apo.that I had at the time and wanted a well corrected max field eyepiece, i tried the 24 hyperion, which was very astigmatic in the outer portion, then the 26mm meade 5k 60deg 5 element plossl, which was slightly better. But not as wide apparently, and still very noticeably astigmatic near the extreme edge. I then got a meade 24mm 5k SWA , which was the original eyepiece to have what would later be the ES68, and it was so much better. Astigmatism was so faint that it wasnt offensive at all, and very good sharpness and light transmission as well. The only thing to beat it in that focal length and field of view is the real deal televue panoptic which is essentially perfect to the edge. The 22mm LVW is also essentially almost perfect to the edge, a little narrower at 65 instead of 68, but much longet eye relief at 20mm. These need more love. I have an orion branded 17, and vixen branded 22. The 13mm and 8mm are probably the best in the line, similar to hyperions, but all the lvws are good, there is not as mucb variation between the focal lengths as there is with hyperion
Thanks for that very informative review Bogdan! I have Morepheus14 mm and I just love it! It is so sharp. Now, I need to get this 6.5 mm for planetary observation (if only its available) :-)
I purchased the Hyperion first, and I recently got he Morpheus and it’s night and day difference between the 2, the Morpheus has such good color and sharpness, the Hyperion was darker in comparison
But how would you describe the hyperion in general with performance without comparing upwards? I recently got an 8" dob and live in the suburbs in Los Angeles. My only eyepiece for planetary views right now is the red line Svbony 9mm which allows me to spot Saturn pretty clearly (speaking generally) I'm able to get nice sharpness but the entirety of it is kind of an off white color can't detect different shades. As for Juliter, I can see it's two large bands only appearing yellow orange and it's 4 clearest moons as little white dots. How's your viewing experience like with your Hyperion eyepiece (which one are you using specifically? ) ? Can you detect more detail than I, and do you still think it's worth the ~$150 pretax? I'm thinking of upgrading from my Svbony to the Hyperion 8mm and maybe also get the 24mm. I'd appreciate your thoughts 🙏
@rickjones5399 Hi, I do have a full review of the 24mm Hyperion and even if it doesn't feature a short focal length like you would need for planetary observations, I believe that most of its strengths and weaknesses will apply to the other versions as well. ua-cam.com/video/9l3WGj2X9ik/v-deo.html To answer your question about if it's worth the 150 bucks, I think that it does. Compared to the red line from Svbony it should offer superior image quality including better contrast and color accuracy. The visual effect you are describing (off white color/washed out) could be a result of high light pollution in your area. In this case the Hyperion might perform only marginally better than your current eyepieces. A light pollution filter might therefore also be worth checking out. Hope this helps. Clear skies!
@@rickjones5399 well I will say, the more and more you observe an object you start to get better at picking up details on the planets and DSO. Regardless the eye piece just try and take in different parts of the planets and it will get better, The Hyperion still works great for me, I have the 8mm. With 8inch dob as well. I can pick out the details fine on Jupiter and Saturn. Mars I’ve never had luck at viewing it besides a red dot. That was the first eyepiece I bought for my telescope, so I’ve I’m happy with it, but I think the Morpheus is worth the money, now mine is a 17mm but the FOV is wider and color seems better and sharper. Cheers to clear sky’s!!!
@@BogdanDamian Performance of Hyperion line, which is really designed for like f/7 and slower scopes, isn't consistent for faster telescopes with some models having more undercorrection of aberrations.
Chromatic abberation at the edges even appears with many naglers. You just confirmed that the 14mm es82 still has the edge sharpness issues that have been there since they first came out as the meade series 5000 UWA. The 14mm is hands down the worst of the line. Don't judge the whole line by the 14mm. Try the 24mm and the 8.8mm. Chromatic abberation will definitely appear in the larger ones which are based on type 5 naglers which also have what we call the "ring of fire" effect. But stars are sharp to the edge, at least as far as astigmatism is considered. With a paracorr the stars at the edges get tighter and smaller, more pin pointy, but that is the fault of the scopes coma when used without a good coma corrector. In a fast refractor, especially a flat field quadruplet, they are amazing. The 24 is very nagler like, the 30mm does not hold up quite as well as the 31 nagler, but it does a decent job. Buying them used, or better yet, the older meade UWA and celestron axiom LX version, is a much cheaper way to get the exact same optics. They used to be $100 eyepieces (1.25 sizes), but when JOC decided to stop supplying other companies with eyepieces and made ES the exclusive source, at least for the US market, they doubled the price overnight to market themselves as a premium brand It worked since so many newbies keep coming in who don't know the old pricing and other options to get the same optics. And because the other options were not available new anymore, making the es68 the only source for a close approximation of the panoptic design, previously available as meade 5k SWA. A few years ago I saw there was a European brand selling the JOC 68s, and had cosmetics and mechanics similar to the twist up meades, but I forgot the name. As for the 82s, most of the other suppliers that meade and celestron had to go to, did not quite match the JOC performance, especially the celestron luminos which replaced the axiom LX. In the case of meade, they had a 5.5mm series 5000 UWA from a different vendor that literally performed like a type 6 nagler, for $129.and frequently on sale.for $99. The 8.8 is pretty good too but I have not tried it in dark skies or on a scope faster than an f6 refractor, that a friend of mine who bought it on my recommendation had. At the time I still had all my old stuff including an f5.4 televue 101 and a 7mm type 6 nagler to pair it with, and it was like.just changing magnification, the edge correction, and overall image quality and contrast and sharpness and even comfort (for a moderate eye relief eyepiece, longer than type 1 and 2, and even the 16 and 20mm type naglers which are pretty tight on eye relief), were the same. I was blown away. But I think it too has been discontinued, and they now have the PWA line, which is the same optically as the WO uwan and orion megaview. The big boy, the 28mm, has nagler like performance, much better than the 30mm ES/JOC. They only come in 4, 7, 16 and 28mm. Unfortunately I never got around to testing the 3 smaller ones, but ever since a friend got one in 2006, and I tried it on my f4 newtonian, I was blown away then, and when it came time to replace my 31 nagler, a used orion 28mm megaview popped up and I jumped on it. The only thing I miss about the 31 nagler, other than pride of ownership and maybe that 2% better performance, is that it is a 31mm, and hence closer to the maximum possible field stop of a 2" eyepiece, than a 28mm with the same apparent field. Technically someone could make.a wider eyepiece, and there have been others, but not with the correction of the nagler, unless that other premium that I believe was Leitz 30mm 88deg, also had good performance in fast scopes, but I never saw one in the wild. I do like widescan type III (or II which I have now because finding the III is hard, and I got mine included when I bought my used TV101), and I also had the 20mm which was 84deg in a 1.25, and the small and tight 13mm as well. The 30mm type III was advertised at 84 degrees, but they are best in slow focal length scopes like SCT, but they are a tad brighter than the naglers, having excellent coatings and less glass, and that japanese "snap" in the center, that even the Taiwan made 31 nagler is sooooo close to. Depending on how old it is, televue coatings change and improve over the years and they don't Indicate or advertise it, so all types.can vary unit to unit in that regard and it is luck of the draw. Mine might have been older since I got it used. Since the nagler was so massive, I did prefer to use the widescan in my f10.scopes, even if the extreme edge was still not perfect like the nagler, it was pretty nice, and my WSII is almost like the WSIII so I am happy to at least have that. Now to get a nice japanese 40mm super wide with the max or close to the max field stop, to replace my meade 4000 40mm SWA. A big hole in my f10 scope lineup. I have a cheap 40mm astrola which throws up nice wide low 60s field, but does not quite reach the edge of the 2" range. I had a 50mm Axiom (original japanese, not the LX , which didn't have a 50), which was about 56deg, and pushed the edge of the 2" field, and happily replaced it with a 56mm mease smoothside 5 element super plossl, which is the brightest, (other than funky 60mm and longer kellners and some obscure stuff from russel, rini, and siebert) eyepiece you can put on a commercially available scope limited to 2" eyepieces. I know I strayed off topic. But eyepieces are the area of the hobby which I am most obsessed with. And in 5 years at a major dealer, I sold many many of them. If you like the baader hyperion and morpheus (I hear great things about the morph but have never looked through one), you should check out vixen LVW lanthanum super wide eyepieces. They are the design that the orion stratus and baader hyperions are chinese copies of (yes the hyperion is made in china, not germany). Orion was the main US source of them until about 2005, and they were branded as orion super wide, lanthanum 65deg 20mm eye relief. And they absolutely blow the hyperion out of the water and hold their own next to pentax XL and XW eyepieces. They used to cost a tad less than the pentax, but they were still in the mid to high $200s range, though I don't know what they cost now and where you can get them since the last US vixen dealer closed up several years ago. I have the 17mm orion branded and 22mm vixen branded, and they are awesome. They all have 20mm eye relief, and a similar look to the orion and baader clones, but slightly smaller, and a higher quality fit and finish. Worth a look if you want to go more niche and less forum hyped, like the baader hyperions are. I am not sure if the morph lives up to the hype, but it sounds like a big improvement over the hyperion. I sold plenty of hyperions as well in my day, when they were about $130-140, and the similarly if not slightly lower priced orion stratus started to decline, even though they wre the same optically, other than the phantom coatings but most couldn't see a difference. Eyepieces.are like a drug
IF you've the finest of apochromatic telescopes which i discovered to my absolute astonishment you NEED plus 300dollar eyepieces, unfortunately.!! Many of them😢😢😢 6.5Morpheus was my carefully selected low power high power😮which does 135X. I rejected the other short Morph 9 & 4.5 as not really necessary....NO the 4.5 is SHARPER than 6.5 and 9mm has an astonishing presentation. I will await to see if you think it has a warmish tone on the moon. Only finest optics will see a difference though. Great stuff Bogdam ❤!!
How is Baader compared to APM ? I'm considering the 17.5mm but I'm also interested in APM 20mm XWA 100 ... which one do you think is gonna perform better in my F/4.6 14" Dobsonian? ... so far I have ES 3mm 52°, Tele Vue Delos 4.5mm, StarGuider 8mm, ES11mm 82°, superplossl 25mm 52° and ES 30mm 82°....and looking for something to cover ( 15mm-25mm) range! Thank you !
@vitalie787 Both manufacturers offer some really good products. The Ultra Flat lineup from APM is comparable to the Hyperion series from Baader. Between these two I would go with the Hyperion. The 17mm version should offer slightly better views than the 18mm UF. Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to test the XWA 100 series from APM so I can't really compare it with the Morpheus lineup from Baader. I can only tell you that the Morpheus is excellent. If you don't own a coma corrector the 100° AFOV of the XWA might show a considerably amount of coma aberrations in a fast reflector like yours. So this is also something to keep in mind. If it were me, I would go for the 17,5mm Morpheus.
@knightclan4: The largest professional telescopes on Earth can see objects approx. 1/2 mile long / wide in size so I doubt the lunar module would be visible.
@@paganphil100 I was just joking I'm a grandfather. I'm allowed to exaggerate. I used to walk to school uphill both ways crossing two rivers in the snow
Thank you very much for this video, could you tell me please how does it compare to orthoscopic eyepieces like BCO 6 mm in terms of sharpness and chromatic aberration on axis ? 8 elements seem to have less brightness and sharpness and more CA but the quality of the glass and coatings is very important.
@lightcatcher590 Compared to orthos the Morpheus is indeed a bit dimmer because of the amount of lenses used, but in terms of sharpness and CA, there aren't any noticeable differences. The Morpheus' optical system is very well corrected.
I went the es82 route and have the 6.5mm LER 11mm and 14mm and also es68" 24mm. Then I purchased the 4.5 mm morpheus and now I'm having a complete rethink do I sell the es eyepieces or just get a 17mm morpheus.
@Billy-je6mq I would just get the 17mm Morpheus first. The difference between the two series isn't that big. If you can get a good price on the es maybe go for the upgrade. Otherwise keep them.
Thank you very much for your very informative videos! I am Planning to purchase a Morpheus Eyepiece in the next few weeks. Are you planning to review the Baader VIP 2X Barlow anytime soon? I would love to hear your thoughts on it as well! All the best and Merry Christmas!
Morpheus is pretty much the widest AFOV (actually 78° in most) high quality eyepiece line with good eye relief. As fortunate coincidence there was 20% discount campaign (for the first time) on Morpheus line in last May and after having gotten 12.5mm from "nearby" shop's relocating discount got others for 220€ (including 24% VAT) piece. Baader VIP Barlow is top tier Barlow made to same quality standards as Morpheus.
@@motoreffpv9073 Getting 12.5mm Morpheus made 400 $/€ level APM(/SkyRover) 7.7-15.4mm zoom, supposed to be about as good as zoom eyepieces come, feel totally mediocre in both deep sky and Moon. (M13 good amount more contrasty and sharper and especially fine details of Moon lot better) Of course it's possible that my zoom is below average sample, but propability is for it being average and expecting it to go against top level eyepiece just being too much. Explore Scientific 82 line is another from which I have expriences. Viewing comfort wise there's no contest between it and Morpheus. Though 1.25" ES82s are very compact. But you just can't fit wide AFOV, high quality and good eye relief into small size.
@motoreffpv9073 Im glad you are enjoying the videos! The VIP 2x Barlow is already on my list of things to review. I'll try to get my hands on one and make a video.
Hello Bogdan. Currently the Delites are selling for 269 US and I think the Morpheus are on sale at some stores for around the same price, if not they are selling for 299 US. At pretty much the same price would you still chose the Morpheus over a Delite?
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Great choice of eyepiece. I bought the 9mm and now own all six in the range. I have found the eyepieces that tick all the boxes.
Bogdan does have the best eyepiece reviews, no doubt! I will go for a Baader Morpheus, I am really convinced now.
I have a couple of the hyperion's they are amazing i cant imagine how good the morpheus line is
Now try some of the others! The EP is also waterproof. No "twist-up" mechanism to wear out or break. It's lightweight for its size compared to it's steel competitors. Works well for fast Dobs too. And no undercuts!
It would be interesting to see a morpheus vs Delos comparison.
Dear Bogdan, new to the channel and loving your contents, high quality information, believe you stand out, go!!,
I agree with your review! I started out with one Morpheus, now I have 3 and planning to own the entire set. It is the best all around eyepiece of all time. There is no other that can match everything it can do.
The 6.5 is really good, find myself reaching for them even though the Morpheus 4.5 provides a lot more magnification. The 17.5 Morpheus are the eyepieces that give me goosebumps every time.
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been hoping you’d review a Morpheus eyepiece, and that you’d say it was excellent. The cost is about as much as I can justify for an eyepiece… and now you’ve confirmed it gets you a sharp, bright, flat, virtually aberration free image, seen through a very large top lens, with decent eye relief, and a very forgiving viewing angle. No wonder it became one of your favorites so quickly.
I do think the most direct Tele Vue comparison is the Delos. They run about $80-100 more, have 20mm eye relief across the line, a 35mm top lens, and a little less FOV at 72 degrees. Most likely, as with the DeLite, they’re a little better optically… they are made by Tele Vue after all. But then you give up the wide compatibility options and thoughtful design of the Morpheus… and you pay more. To me that makes the Morpheus an easy choice for a premium eyepiece.
My dream visual system includes several pairs of them, along with the Denkmeier binotron super system with power and filter switch, and a Skywatcher flextube goto dob. Their dob tube can be extended fully or 4 inches shorter so a binoviewer doesn’t need a glass path corrector to reach focus… Yes, it’s a dream I have… Thanks again for being so informative, thorough, and pleasant. You obviously love what you do and I always enjoy watching your reviews. 🙏
@paullawrencesmith9554 Thank you! Here in Germany the 6mm Delos costs 620 Euro, which is just ridiculous. At this price it's not even a contest between the two. But I agree specs-wise it's the direct competitor to the Morpheus.
Your dream setup is a real end game setup if you ask me - just perfect. Clear skies 🙂
@@BogdanDamian Wow, I didn’t know there was such a huge price difference. Here in the states a Delos costs a little under $400 and the Morpheus costs about $300, which still isn’t cheap. But when considering it as a lifetime investment with perhaps the most versatility and compatibility of any eyepiece and having such excellent visual and build quality, I think the Morpheus becomes an easy choice. Thanks again for all that you do, and be safe and well. Clear skies! 🙏
The Morpheus is 76 degrees FOV not 72 👍.
@@Astronurd 72 degrees was referring to the Tele Vue Delos eyepiece line, not the Morpheus…. 😉
@@paullawrencesmith9554 In May there was 20% discount campaign (first time) for the Morpheus and got them for ~220€ with 24% VAT included.
While just Delites would cost normally well over 400€ here in Europe. (something smelling and "it ain't fresh smell")
And actually AFOV of most Morpheus models is 78° which is moving toward Nagler (/ES82/UWA) territory but with far easier eye relief.
Not sure if Baader is going to make those discounts on Morpheus more regular like with Hyperion (whose normal price isn't good for eyepieces designed for like f/7 and slower telescopes) but certainly worthy to keep on eye on Baader prices.
The Baader Morpheus eyepieces run about $300 here in the US. For Saturn right now at opposition I use the Baader 18mm Orthoscopic in a 2.5x Luminos 4 element Barlow, sharp in my 102 triplet at 100x.
Bogdan, I was pleased to see that you dropped a new video. And once again you do not disappoint us. Very nice review of the Morpheus 6.5 eyepiece. Just curious, do you know the eye relief of the Televu DeLite eyepiece as you mentioned that you find the DeLite to be more comfortable than the Morpheus which I believe has an 18.5 mm eye relief. Thanks and great job on the video. Ed
@edf2953 Thank you! The DeLite features a marginally longer ER of 20mm. Clear skies!
I own this eyepiece and can say your review is spot on - jaw dropping views of Saturn and Jupiter in a 12 inch dob. But why do I know? - I can’t even work out how to make the glow in the dark numbers light up and I’ve no clue who uses those metal clip thingies 😂
Hold the letters under a light and they'll glow for awhile.
More people need to try vixen LVW lanthanum superwide eyepieces, which are the original japanese made ones that the orion stratus and later the hyperion which the same as the stratus but with the modular threaded stuff and "phantom.coatings".
They were originally available in the US as the Orion Lanthanum superwide, until the stratus came out as the lower priced replacement.
They absolutely blow the hyperions out of the water, the japanese make the best glass, along with the germans, but hyperions are NOT made in Germany.
The build quality is also amazing and they are slightly smaller.
They spec out at 65 degrees, all have 20mm eye relief with rare earth lanthanum glass. They hold up very well compared to a pentax xw or xl, beating some of the pentax focal lengths especially the 20XW not being as sharp at the edge as the 17mm and 22mm LVW.
And since they aren't forum hyped like baader, they might be comparably priced or less if not only slightly more than a morpheus, since i remember these being in the $239-$279 range back when hyperions were $130,.radians $250 and type 6 naglers $309.
Unfortunately the us vixen dealer closed shop or at least stopped being the vixen distributor a few years ago.
Used They arent terribly expensive because not many people know how awesome they are. From 3.5mn to 22mm, and there was a 42mm 2", but that was a different design without the same level of edge correction, much like the old 2" 30mm and 35mm stratos which i believe iirc baader sold as the scopos.
The 24mm hyperion and stratus were also a different design having neither corrective negative field group, or a panoptic/es68/5k SWA style highly concave field lens.
In the AT66ed f6 apo.that I had at the time and wanted a well corrected max field eyepiece, i tried the 24 hyperion, which was very astigmatic in the outer portion, then the 26mm meade 5k 60deg 5 element plossl, which was slightly better. But not as wide apparently, and still very noticeably astigmatic near the extreme edge.
I then got a meade 24mm 5k SWA , which was the original eyepiece to have what would later be the ES68, and it was so much better. Astigmatism was so faint that it wasnt offensive at all, and very good sharpness and light transmission as well.
The only thing to beat it in that focal length and field of view is the real deal televue panoptic which is essentially perfect to the edge.
The 22mm LVW is also essentially almost perfect to the edge, a little narrower at 65 instead of 68, but much longet eye relief at 20mm.
These need more love. I have an orion branded 17, and vixen branded 22. The 13mm and 8mm are probably the best in the line, similar to hyperions, but all the lvws are good, there is not as mucb variation between the focal lengths as there is with hyperion
Thanks for that very informative review Bogdan! I have Morepheus14 mm and I just love it! It is so sharp. Now, I need to get this 6.5 mm for planetary observation (if only its available) :-)
Update: I did get Morpheus 6.5 mm and I love it. I was able to see Uranus and Neptune with this eyepiece! Views were sharp! Thanks again.
@mthirugnana Congrats on the new eyepiece. Glad you like it!
Thanks Bogdan!
Stunning 💖💖💖
I purchased the Hyperion first, and I recently got he Morpheus and it’s night and day difference between the 2, the Morpheus has such good color and sharpness, the Hyperion was darker in comparison
But how would you describe the hyperion in general with performance without comparing upwards?
I recently got an 8" dob and live in the suburbs in Los Angeles. My only eyepiece for planetary views right now is the red line Svbony 9mm which allows me to spot Saturn pretty clearly (speaking generally) I'm able to get nice sharpness but the entirety of it is kind of an off white color can't detect different shades.
As for Juliter, I can see it's two large bands only appearing yellow orange and it's 4 clearest moons as little white dots.
How's your viewing experience like with your Hyperion eyepiece (which one are you using specifically? ) ? Can you detect more detail than I, and do you still think it's worth the ~$150 pretax?
I'm thinking of upgrading from my Svbony to the Hyperion 8mm and maybe also get the 24mm.
I'd appreciate your thoughts 🙏
@rickjones5399 Hi, I do have a full review of the 24mm Hyperion and even if it doesn't feature a short focal length like you would need for planetary observations, I believe that most of its strengths and weaknesses will apply to the other versions as well.
ua-cam.com/video/9l3WGj2X9ik/v-deo.html
To answer your question about if it's worth the 150 bucks, I think that it does. Compared to the red line from Svbony it should offer superior image quality including better contrast and color accuracy.
The visual effect you are describing (off white color/washed out) could be a result of high light pollution in your area. In this case the Hyperion might perform only marginally better than your current eyepieces. A light pollution filter might therefore also be worth checking out.
Hope this helps. Clear skies!
@@rickjones5399 well I will say, the more and more you observe an object you start to get better at picking up details on the planets and DSO. Regardless the eye piece just try and take in different parts of the planets and it will get better,
The Hyperion still works great for me, I have the 8mm. With 8inch dob as well. I can pick out the details fine on Jupiter and Saturn. Mars I’ve never had luck at viewing it besides a red dot.
That was the first eyepiece I bought for my telescope, so I’ve I’m happy with it, but I think the Morpheus is worth the money, now mine is a 17mm but the FOV is wider and color seems better and sharper.
Cheers to clear sky’s!!!
@@BogdanDamian Performance of Hyperion line, which is really designed for like f/7 and slower scopes, isn't consistent for faster telescopes with some models having more undercorrection of aberrations.
Chromatic abberation at the edges even appears with many naglers.
You just confirmed that the 14mm es82 still has the edge sharpness issues that have been there since they first came out as the meade series 5000 UWA.
The 14mm is hands down the worst of the line. Don't judge the whole line by the 14mm. Try the 24mm and the 8.8mm. Chromatic abberation will definitely appear in the larger ones which are based on type 5 naglers which also have what we call the "ring of fire" effect. But stars are sharp to the edge, at least as far as astigmatism is considered. With a paracorr the stars at the edges get tighter and smaller, more pin pointy, but that is the fault of the scopes coma when used without a good coma corrector. In a fast refractor, especially a flat field quadruplet, they are amazing. The 24 is very nagler like, the 30mm does not hold up quite as well as the 31 nagler, but it does a decent job. Buying them used, or better yet, the older meade UWA and celestron axiom LX version, is a much cheaper way to get the exact same optics. They used to be $100 eyepieces (1.25 sizes), but when JOC decided to stop supplying other companies with eyepieces and made ES the exclusive source, at least for the US market, they doubled the price overnight to market themselves as a premium brand
It worked since so many newbies keep coming in who don't know the old pricing and other options to get the same optics. And because the other options were not available new anymore, making the es68 the only source for a close approximation of the panoptic design, previously available as meade 5k SWA.
A few years ago I saw there was a European brand selling the JOC 68s, and had cosmetics and mechanics similar to the twist up meades, but I forgot the name.
As for the 82s, most of the other suppliers that meade and celestron had to go to, did not quite match the JOC performance, especially the celestron luminos which replaced the axiom LX.
In the case of meade, they had a 5.5mm series 5000 UWA from a different vendor that literally performed like a type 6 nagler, for $129.and frequently on sale.for $99. The 8.8 is pretty good too but I have not tried it in dark skies or on a scope faster than an f6 refractor, that a friend of mine who bought it on my recommendation had.
At the time I still had all my old stuff including an f5.4 televue 101 and a 7mm type 6 nagler to pair it with, and it was like.just changing magnification, the edge correction, and overall image quality and contrast and sharpness and even comfort (for a moderate eye relief eyepiece, longer than type 1 and 2, and even the 16 and 20mm type naglers which are pretty tight on eye relief), were the same.
I was blown away. But I think it too has been discontinued, and they now have the PWA line, which is the same optically as the WO uwan and orion megaview.
The big boy, the 28mm, has nagler like performance, much better than the 30mm ES/JOC. They only come in 4, 7, 16 and 28mm. Unfortunately I never got around to testing the 3 smaller ones, but ever since a friend got one in 2006, and I tried it on my f4 newtonian, I was blown away then, and when it came time to replace my 31 nagler, a used orion 28mm megaview popped up and I jumped on it. The only thing I miss about the 31 nagler, other than pride of ownership and maybe that 2% better performance, is that it is a 31mm, and hence closer to the maximum possible field stop of a 2" eyepiece, than a 28mm with the same apparent field. Technically someone could make.a wider eyepiece, and there have been others, but not with the correction of the nagler, unless that other premium that I believe was Leitz 30mm 88deg, also had good performance in fast scopes, but I never saw one in the wild.
I do like widescan type III (or II which I have now because finding the III is hard, and I got mine included when I bought my used TV101), and I also had the 20mm which was 84deg in a 1.25, and the small and tight 13mm as well. The 30mm type III was advertised at 84 degrees, but they are best in slow focal length scopes like SCT, but they are a tad brighter than the naglers, having excellent coatings and less glass, and that japanese "snap" in the center, that even the Taiwan made 31 nagler is sooooo close to. Depending on how old it is, televue coatings change and improve over the years and they don't Indicate or advertise it, so all types.can vary unit to unit in that regard and it is luck of the draw. Mine might have been older since I got it used.
Since the nagler was so massive, I did prefer to use the widescan in my f10.scopes, even if the extreme edge was still not perfect like the nagler, it was pretty nice, and my WSII is almost like the WSIII so I am happy to at least have that.
Now to get a nice japanese 40mm super wide with the max or close to the max field stop, to replace my meade 4000 40mm SWA. A big hole in my f10 scope lineup. I have a cheap 40mm astrola which throws up nice wide low 60s field, but does not quite reach the edge of the 2" range.
I had a 50mm Axiom (original japanese, not the LX , which didn't have a 50), which was about 56deg, and pushed the edge of the 2" field, and happily replaced it with a 56mm mease smoothside 5 element super plossl, which is the brightest, (other than funky 60mm and longer kellners and some obscure stuff from russel, rini, and siebert) eyepiece you can put on a commercially available scope limited to 2" eyepieces.
I know I strayed off topic. But eyepieces are the area of the hobby which I am most obsessed with. And in 5 years at a major dealer, I sold many many of them.
If you like the baader hyperion and morpheus (I hear great things about the morph but have never looked through one), you should check out vixen LVW lanthanum super wide eyepieces. They are the design that the orion stratus and baader hyperions are chinese copies of (yes the hyperion is made in china, not germany). Orion was the main US source of them until about 2005, and they were branded as orion super wide, lanthanum 65deg 20mm eye relief.
And they absolutely blow the hyperion out of the water and hold their own next to pentax XL and XW eyepieces. They used to cost a tad less than the pentax, but they were still in the mid to high $200s range, though I don't know what they cost now and where you can get them since the last US vixen dealer closed up several years ago.
I have the 17mm orion branded and 22mm vixen branded, and they are awesome. They all have 20mm eye relief, and a similar look to the orion and baader clones, but slightly smaller, and a higher quality fit and finish.
Worth a look if you want to go more niche and less forum hyped, like the baader hyperions are. I am not sure if the morph lives up to the hype, but it sounds like a big improvement over the hyperion.
I sold plenty of hyperions as well in my day, when they were about $130-140, and the similarly if not slightly lower priced orion stratus started to decline, even though they wre the same optically, other than the phantom coatings but most couldn't see a difference.
Eyepieces.are like a drug
IF you've the finest of apochromatic telescopes which i discovered to my absolute astonishment you NEED plus 300dollar eyepieces, unfortunately.!!
Many of them😢😢😢
6.5Morpheus was my carefully selected low power high power😮which does 135X.
I rejected the other short Morph 9 & 4.5 as not really necessary....NO the 4.5 is SHARPER than 6.5 and 9mm has an astonishing presentation.
I will await to see if you think it has a warmish tone on the moon.
Only finest optics will see a difference though.
Great stuff Bogdam ❤!!
@palmereldrich Thank you! I haven't looked at the Moon with it, but I'll let you know once I get the chance. Clear skies!
How is Baader compared to APM ? I'm considering the 17.5mm but I'm also interested in APM 20mm XWA 100 ... which one do you think is gonna perform better in my F/4.6 14" Dobsonian? ... so far I have ES 3mm 52°, Tele Vue Delos 4.5mm, StarGuider 8mm, ES11mm 82°, superplossl 25mm 52° and ES 30mm 82°....and looking for something to cover ( 15mm-25mm) range! Thank you !
@vitalie787 Both manufacturers offer some really good products. The Ultra Flat lineup from APM is comparable to the Hyperion series from Baader. Between these two I would go with the Hyperion. The 17mm version should offer slightly better views than the 18mm UF.
Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to test the XWA 100 series from APM so I can't really compare it with the Morpheus lineup from Baader. I can only tell you that the Morpheus is excellent. If you don't own a coma corrector the 100° AFOV of the XWA might show a considerably amount of coma aberrations in a fast reflector like yours. So this is also something to keep in mind.
If it were me, I would go for the 17,5mm Morpheus.
Legendary German engineering.....I have three Baaders (2 x Planetarium and 1 x Morpheus) and they are all top quality.
As a beginner I am wondering why the field stop is often mentioned in the specs. Can anyone explain?
I have the 4.5mm.
I pair it with my 2x Barlow on my 10"dob
I think I saw the lunar module on the moon
@knightclan4 At over 550x no wonder 😉
Lunar overview looking for a place to land😮❤
@knightclan4: The largest professional telescopes on Earth can see objects approx. 1/2 mile long / wide in size so I doubt the lunar module would be visible.
@@paganphil100
I was just joking
I'm a grandfather. I'm allowed to exaggerate.
I used to walk to school uphill both ways crossing two rivers in the snow
Thank you very much for this video, could you tell me please how does it compare to orthoscopic eyepieces like BCO 6 mm in terms of sharpness and chromatic aberration on axis ? 8 elements seem to have less brightness and sharpness and more CA but the quality of the glass and coatings is very important.
@lightcatcher590 Compared to orthos the Morpheus is indeed a bit dimmer because of the amount of lenses used, but in terms of sharpness and CA, there aren't any noticeable differences. The Morpheus' optical system is very well corrected.
I went the es82 route and have the 6.5mm LER 11mm and 14mm and also es68" 24mm. Then I purchased the 4.5 mm morpheus and now I'm having a complete rethink do I sell the es eyepieces or just get a 17mm morpheus.
@Billy-je6mq I would just get the 17mm Morpheus first. The difference between the two series isn't that big. If you can get a good price on the es maybe go for the upgrade. Otherwise keep them.
Thank you very much for your very informative videos! I am Planning to purchase a Morpheus Eyepiece in the next few weeks. Are you planning to review the Baader VIP 2X Barlow anytime soon? I would love to hear your thoughts on it as well! All the best and Merry Christmas!
Morpheus is pretty much the widest AFOV (actually 78° in most) high quality eyepiece line with good eye relief.
As fortunate coincidence there was 20% discount campaign (for the first time) on Morpheus line in last May and after having gotten 12.5mm from "nearby" shop's relocating discount got others for 220€ (including 24% VAT) piece.
Baader VIP Barlow is top tier Barlow made to same quality standards as Morpheus.
@@tuunaes Many thanks for your reply! Wow. 20% discount would be awesome! I would prob get the full set! Thanks again for your feedback!
@@motoreffpv9073 Getting 12.5mm Morpheus made 400 $/€ level APM(/SkyRover) 7.7-15.4mm zoom, supposed to be about as good as zoom eyepieces come, feel totally mediocre in both deep sky and Moon. (M13 good amount more contrasty and sharper and especially fine details of Moon lot better)
Of course it's possible that my zoom is below average sample, but propability is for it being average and expecting it to go against top level eyepiece just being too much.
Explore Scientific 82 line is another from which I have expriences. Viewing comfort wise there's no contest between it and Morpheus. Though 1.25" ES82s are very compact. But you just can't fit wide AFOV, high quality and good eye relief into small size.
@motoreffpv9073 Im glad you are enjoying the videos! The VIP 2x Barlow is already on my list of things to review. I'll try to get my hands on one and make a video.
@@BogdanDamian many thanks for your reply! Great, I have subscribed and turned on notifications for your channel!
Thanks
@geofffaulkner1930 Thank you!
I just text my son asking him if he can get me this eyepiece for my birthday🙏🏻
Televue Ethos only
Hello Bogdan. Currently the Delites are selling for 269 US and I think the Morpheus are on sale at some stores for around the same price, if not they are selling for 299 US. At pretty much the same price would you still chose the Morpheus over a Delite?
@bcrocks3935 Hi! That's some great pricing on Tele Vue eyepieces you have over there. In this case I would go with the DeLite.