History of the Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Amplifier
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2019
- Running down the history of the mighty Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier.
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• Ep. 19 - Mike Soldano ...
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I like these history lessons. Subbed
Corrections:
Blue Angel Used 6V6’s and four EL-84’s, NOT EL34s and 6L6s.
Progressive Linkage™ power section allows you to switch between or combine 2x6V6 & 4xEL84 for 15, 33, or 38 Watts, of Pure Class A Power / 5x12AX7, 1x5AR4
Breakdown of tubes in the rectos:
Single Recto, 50 watt, 2 power tubes, no rectifier tubes. It is a Single Recto as it has only one rectifier option, Silicon Diode.
Dual Recto, 100 watt, 4 power tubes, 2 rectifier tubes. Named Dual Rectifier since you have the choice of Silicon Diode or Tube Rectifier.
Triple Recto, 150 watt, 6 power tubes, 3 rectifier tubes. I assume named Triple Recto because it has 3 rectifier tubes, but IMHO it should have been called a Dual Rectifier Coliseum as it still only has 2 rectifier options, Silicon Diode or Tube Rectifier. - Josh Bowles in the Mesa/boogie fan club on facebook.
the first 500 Rectos were Revs C to E. I believe the A&B were the first prototypes that were never released to the public. Also I think the Triple Rec was released during the mid phase of the Rev F. - 90s punk rock covers
Rackifiers seem to have been made starting in 1992 with the Rev F. models. Confirmed by Alex Marini.
My understanding is that the Rectifier series were set up to address some of the shortcomings of the Mark Series and the original prototypes used a Mark Series head and modified it until it was all but unrecognizable. Honorable Rectifier member, the V-Twin pre-amps. These were stand alone pre-amps and were designed by one of the founders of Budda amps. The V-Twin had several iterations including a rack mounted version and a lower price point version called the Bottle Rocket. Budda would continue to make a version of the Bottle Rocket but it appears to be discontinued. I owned a V-Twin and it had a very Rectifier sound to it and for a while I ran it into a Mark Series combo amp. I liked the clean setting because you could either use it as a boost or as a very high quality compressor. The highest gain setting or "red" had a crazy amount of distortion but the "blue" (similar to the "push") wasn't to my liking. One of the great things about the V-Twin was you could use it to go direct into a mixing board and John McLaughlin used one for years.
I have15 heads. Mesa, Marshall, Orange, Peavey. Gotta say that my Single Rec Version 2 with 6L6's really surprises my elite guitar playing friends. They want to hate it due to the Nickleback styling but they are won over almost immediately by the killer tone.
Great summary, I've heard the SLO story before. I will say thou, Dual rectifiers have the most horrendous cleans in the business, but the single rectifiers actually have nice cleans and the gain is less bassy
I realized we all know and love Rectos for crushing rock and metal tones. I will freely admit that their clean tones do not compete with vintage Fenders (having played them for at least 20 years). However, I've seen them used and other genres and I have heard stories of them being used in studio situations outside of what we normally associate with their primary purpose.
Something that bears noting is that the Tremoverb was geared toward an expanded audience beyond Rock and Metal. I once saw the legendary Otis Rush playing at Blues Excetra in Chicago with a horn section that was monstrous. His Tremoverb was going through a 4x12 and was still able to cut through at least four horns. He also did use the tremolo on his sound.
There's also a video of Lee Rittenour out here on UA-cam playing jazz at a large concert venue and he's using the clean channel (presumably) on a armor-faced Triple Rectifier. It surprised the hell out of me when I saw it on stage but I'm sure he spent quite a bit of time dialing in the tone that he wanted. I also don't see a mic in front of the cab which says to me that he's probably pushing it as hard as he can without too much break up. Seems kind of contradictory what we use these amps for, but speaks to their versatility nonetheless.
Man I can't wait to see what other amp(or gear) history in general you can come up with!
The video on dual rectifiers I've been looking for! Thanks!
Great work dude. Saw your 5150 breakdown and subbed, good to see there are some others 👌🏻
I currently have a weird hybrid Rev F/G Recto that sounds insane, but my fav will always be the Tremoverb. The Mini Rectoverbs are also great and actually sound a little different than the regular Mini.
Keep up the good work.
I know it's not easy doing all this research.
Glad someone did.
This was great, Lucas - very helpful! Thanks for putting it together. Cheers!
Hi Lucas. I came across your video researching my own amp. You said you were interested to hear what we have or like. I own a 1997 (built October 1997 by Mike Bendinelli) Rev. G two-channel Triple Rec. It still has all the original tubes. Although there are no issues with my current tubes, aside from age, I'm planning to change everything, a complete overhaul, but still keep the original set (preamp, power, and rectifiers). I play 80's metal/shred/thrash/progressive as well as blues. I'm thinking to go to the EL34's which is why I've been doing research to learn more about the difference in the sound between the 6L6's and the EL's. That's how I found this video. I also have the original cab that was purchased with it, an original 4x12 recto slant top (open back upper half/closed-back lower half) with the expanded metal grill. It's loaded with its original Black Shadow EVM12L's. I'll be more than glad to share pictures of everything and talk with you more if you are interested, just send me a friend request on facebook ( facebook.com/jay.martello.9 ). Hope to hear back from you.
I own the triple rec three channel with el34 sounds great boosted I recently upgraded to the Mesa jp2c mark and you should do the history of the mark series from Mesa boogie
Yes
I have a dual rec and a mark v... typically use mkv over the dual rec but I love both. I think your jp2c is essentially the same as a mark v... just on steroids. If I'm not mistaken, arent the mkv and jp2c part of the Rectifier family, too?
Yes!
Love your history series!!!
nobody ever addresses what single, dual, and triple actually means.
it has to do with how many watts a single rectifier tube is capable of turning ac into dc.
this explanation is very basic, and can change from many variables, but the basic rundown is this-
a single can handle 50 watts, dual 100 watts, triple 150 watts.
it has nothing to do with how many channels the amp has.
this is part of the reason you can choose the diode, as opposed to tubes, which in theory can handle as many watts as you throw at it, but the dynamics are different because it is a single ended solution.
me, i like the diode, as it keeps the amp at a more level state, thru the channels.
snobs will only use the tube rectifier, because they believe it is more dynamic.
your mileage may vary.
i can count how many people think it has to do with how many channels the amp runs.
your amplifier takes in ac current thru the input transformer, but the circuits run on dc, and that is what a rectifier does.
it is then converted back to ac power by the output transformer to drive the speakers.
this is why we must match impedance, to the output.
this is also why in so many "holy grail" amps, it is the transformers that people chase after, not necessarily the circuit itself.
Yup, it refers to how many rectifier TUBES are in that model, except the single, which I believe never used tube rectification. I've had a triple rec for 20 years and the only thing I don't like about it is how much new tubes cost.
It kills me how much speculation goes into tube amplifiers. I'm no amp tech (yet) but it's amazing what people think when they don't know. 90 percent of guitar players I know can't even string a guitar let alone have a clue what a rectifier is or even does. Dafuq?
Snobs? The amp reacts differently with a tube rectifier. I'm not familiar with Mesa stuff; do they have two and three rectifiers in them, and why? And you can run any tube amp with a solid-state or a tube rectifier, so you could call any tube amp a "dual rectifier," eh? Sounds like a load of marketing bullshit.
@@melvynobrien6193
What part is confusing to you?
I explained it very basically in my post.
Every question you asked, is already answered.
Then why is my Blue Angel labeled "Dual Rectifier"?
Nice series. I’m glad someone is giving high gain history the recognition it deserves.
Love your content. Thank you for upload.
Darn it, Lucas! You convinced me to track down a used Multi Watt Dual Rec, and now I'm awaiting delivery. It's coming with EL34s, but I'll probably get a set of 6L6s too. Hoping it's as versatile as they say.
Picked up a mint condition Tremoverb a few weeks ago. Absolutely crushing tone.
ahh i love my triple rectifier! Great video man really interesting to learn more about my favorite amps out there!
Great video.
I have a Rev. C #0187 and it’s sounds sick AF....But I would say my 1995 Tremoverb has a bigger darker sound that I love.
Just to add, I have a series 1 Rectoverb, and I believe the rectifier is solid state only, not switchable like some of the other models. Cleans are amazing. Also, mine is a single recto solo, not a dual. I think they all are. Theyre all 50 watts if I remember correctly. Also, the manual says you CAN run EL34s, but they don't recommend it because they're less reliable.
I had a Road King Series 2, could never get a good sound out of it except, you guessed it, the Recto sound. I sold it. To be fair, I have heard other folks get a myriad of wonderful sounds from Rectos so it may have just been too much amp for me. Digging these amp history lessons as well. Subbed.
Can we get more videos like this? How about a history of the JCM series, the Plexis, etc.
Great stuff man
I'm pretty sure the first 500 Dual Recto's were only revision C and D on the boards. There were no A or B rev. board DR's originally that were sold that I know of. I personally own DR serial # RO220(rev.C) and DR serial # RO414(rev. D) and I did own DR serial # RO075(rev. C) The 75th one made! but have since sold it.
Clear as mud. Thanks
Great video! I’m a tremoverb player my self I have 3 of them. My only complaint is that they breakdown and are hard to get fixed.
I had a very early 1997ish dual rectifier. great amp.
Holdsworth's tone with that amp was incredible.
Awesome! I wanna hear the history of the Mark series.
I have a DR multiwatt that I picked up brand new in 2011. Such an amazing amp. I can't see owning anything else.
We used to call em Rectum-friers because we thought they had the heaviest sound.
Quite helpful actually, bravo!
Brilliant, just brilliant!
The heartbreaker was a 25th anniversary tribute amp to the Mark I. one side was basically a Mark I while second channel was more British inspired. Most mark based amps still have dual rectification.
Great video dude ! I'm a great fan of mesa amplifiers, I've got a dual rectifier 3 channels head bought in 2014, the distortion is crushing but the cleans are weak maybe the TC-100 is the solution for the future don't know
Thanks for sharing, very informative! It deserves a Wiki page :P
Multi watt Dual Rectifier for sure! I love mine.
I would love one, but its so expensive! Enjoy your amazing amp.
I prefer the Single Rectifier. Tighter sounding to me and easier to push the Power Tubes
Good job.
So what revision of the 2 ch dual recs would you say the Tremoverb would be compared to? Also do the Tremoverbs have different revisions or only cosmetic changes?
Thank you!
Single rectifier (head) is in two versions and 3 channel rectifier (head) is also in the triple version 150W
Early tube rectification does indeed have sagg. The modern tube rectifiers used in today's amps are fast response and basically react very close to a diode. Most sagg people feel is placebo. The option to choose diode or tube rectification is also due to increased reliability. If your tube rectifier fails, you can still operate the amp on diodes.
Mark Tremonti alone is enough reason to reissue Revision F Triple Rec. He has used that amp throughout most of his career. And that's why it's my favorite. I want one bad.
I caught AB in Las Vegas in February 2020 and did Mark's clinic. When he took us on-stage for the rig rundown, he had a Dual Rectifier Revision F. No idea why the switch. You can go all over UA-cam and see rig rundown videos from every single tour he's ever done, and he's always had the Triple. Now all of a sudden, he switched to Dual.
Wish I knew why
Good stuff, love rectifiers. A couple of things to note, the first 500 Rectos were Revs C to E. I believe the A&B were the first prototypes that were never released to the public. Also I think the Triple Rec was released during the mid phase of the Rev F. Cheers 🍻
I should have been more clear on that fact in the video! I added this to the corrections post!
So up until the Rev G and 3 Ch(non multi) you were mentioning how the cleans got abit better with each rev, but then for Rev G and the 3 Ch you said the cleans were nothing to write home about. Did you just mean in general like with most dual rec's or did the cleans actually get worse again in some peoples opinions? Im not trying to open up the debate whether DR cleans are good or not, Im just clarifying what you meant in the timeline. Thanks for this!
Afaik Rev D went up to R-0505. After that Revision E went to about R-0580 (I owened R-0545 which was an E). Rev E is closer to C and D than to F I‘ve been told, so the pre-500 sound actually goes up to about R-0580.
Another thing to mention is, that Rev C-F have a serial loop and a small frontplate logo.
Great video.. i have a black face 3 chn 100 solo.. great sounding amp.. not sure what year it is..
The amp we refer to as the 'DR' is actually called the "Solo' Dual Rectifiers were a range of amps.
i have a bunch of amps but still love my trem-o-verb
My only experience with a recto is with the first 3ch version and it's a nice amp. But if I was to choose one to buy it would be the Reborn for the functionality or RevF/RevG for the tones. I love how much of a massive sound you can get from these amps, Rammstein and Tremonti come to mind. Great video! Hope you can make one of these about Bogner someday.
I laughed hard when you said " slow 100 " Because inside I'm 9. Great knowledge.
I’m desperately trying to identify a multi watt Triple Rect I may buy. It has a steel colored metal grill like most, but where the diamond plate would be there’s a leathery kind of cover.. it’s got clean/pushed and raw/modern. I’d appreciate the help!!
I have one Rev G Triple Rectifier. It's hard to describe how monstruous it sounds. Looks awesome with his 9 big tubes glowing. Winters were never the same after i bought it hahahaha God save the Rectos! lml
Rectifier has very good cleans. Anyone who says otherwise just can't dial it in.
I've had 5 of them because they have something i love but I fall out of love with them within a few months after I buy or trade for it. I had an early one it might of been an r 500, had a three channel one of some sort, defitnatley had a rev g, had a 50 watt rectoverb , and the other ones I didn't really care about the revisions. At the end of the day for me I just prefer a single channel amp that responds well with a volume knob and pedals, not saying the rec can't do that i just don't need all the options. I do wish I would've kept that possible r 500 I sold it when I was young to aquire something else, but if this guy is correct then the obvious choice here for me is the tremoverb that's the one I would like best
Good vid. I’m looking at a single rectifier. I don’t understand all the diode gets not ect ect. I just want that good distortion sound.. doesn’t need to be loud for a band. Does the single have tubes? Is the dual rectifier better to buy? What series? They are practically the same price.
If they are the same price, then get a dual recto.
Thanks. Could you elaborate a little more as to why? Beside the 50vs100 watt
@@steveallen2105 the dual will have more headroom and a little less bottom end. I would go with the dual for the more headroom, but both are good and loud. The dual will also have better resale value. It honestly sounds like you would be good with either.
Thanks!!
Take a shot every time Lucas says "Dual Rectifier"...
You will be drunk by 2 mins in
@@LucasLeCompteMusic You're on! 🥃... anyway, this was really helpful. I'm seriously considering a modern Dual Rec I've seen because of your help. I originally wanted a Rectoverb 25 or Mini, but might instead go for the real thing, for the cleans and overdrives. Grazie, man!
Get Rektifier
Some of my favorite metal rock punk and emo tones come out of these i want one so bad
I have had the Triaxes/2:90, Roadster, 50 Cal, a DC3, and now a Rev G dual Rec. The Triaxes was way to complicated, The roadster sounded like a Dual Rec buried in a puddle of mud and never got what I was after with it. I liked the 50 Cal but hated that you couldn't get good metal tones and still have a clean channel (traded it for an Egnator Tweeker 88, love that amp), the DC 3 didn't have enough snuff and I love my Rev G I just got recently. Put a Boss EQ pedal in the FX loop and have exactly what I wanted from that amp. I miss the 50 cal though. :(
Does anyone remember who the first famous band was to start using Dual Rectifiers? The only one from the top of my head was Soundgarden in 1994 for the Superunknown album. I would say by 1996 everyone started using them. I remember Bush was touring Sixteen stone and switched over to them mid tour thats how popular they were. By the late 90's they replaced Marshall as the go to amp for touring bands.
The first time I saw them used live was with Candlebox on MTV.
Adam Jones of Tool has recorded the Undertow with a blackface DR in end of 1992!
He has toured with that amp till 96, after he switched to another DR.
I think John Petrucci of Dream Theater used some DRs After the Images and Word record, on the touring? Then changed to Triaxis w/Recto board...
Big Shedders were not out in 1992. It took till 95-96 where it became an issue. Dream Theater, Vai, Satch and many others never had issues.
I love my Mesa Nomad 100!
Hey Lucas, I love your videos man!! How much different is the Roadking 1 vs 2 ? ... The RK2 .. yes has the LONE STAR channel 1 and 2 better cleans and reverbs... but RK1 Channels 3 and 4 has more gain and a tighter tone than RK2. RK1 is more aggressive and has more gain than RK2. John petrucci with Dream Theater record Train of Thought, Octavarium and solo album Suspended Animation with Roadking 1 😍
That is awesome! I didnt know that about channels 3 and 4, nor did I know that about JP and ToT. ToT is my fav Dream Theater album.
@@LucasLeCompteMusic I agree with you Train of Thought is my favevorite Dream Theater album so far and my favorite guitar tone ever for me.
ToT is 100% pure Roadking. even cleans. the lone star had not been released yet and he used the road king DRY no effects nothing. just a head and a cab and a back up stack in the studio. it was that simple. thats why it's is the dryest album of his. all effects were added during mixdown. and the solos only have a bit of delay and some reverb. it is a very stripped down bare bones heavy album.
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Do the Mark series!!!
I have a mesa boogie dual rectifier 100w head but it is not multi watt....do you now anything about this model?
You have one of the earlier models. You can check the serial number on the mesa site to see what year it came out
@@LucasLeCompteMusic so This mesa how it sounds?...as a solo head or how a 100 w head reborn?
My biggest regret was selljng my rev G
I had one that i used in my ban for nearly a year and used tp get alot pf compliments when i played live
The second guitarist had a 3 channel dual wpuld have been a 2005-2006
When we recorded our cd my 2 channel was used for tracking both our guitars as it sounded better
I was in a guitar shop and came across a secondhand road king with the machine quad the one with the half open back and half closed back for $4200 aud, which was crazy considering the road king head retailed for $7990aud at tge time and the cab was about $2500
So i quickly sold my 2 channel for $2000 and the marshall 1960a quad i had for $500 and put cash on top for the raod king set
It never sounded the same i was never 100% happy with the sound
I didnt hate it but when playing live i could never get the perfect sound
I own a "Racktifier" made in 1992, it's a rev F. So when you say the Racktifier came in 1995, you are wrong.
It was really hard to find info for when exactly they came out. 1995 was the only year I could find that it came out. So it does seem they came out earlier than that!
picture here fr.audiofanzine.com/tete-d-ampli-guitare-tout-lampe/mesa-boogie/dual-rectifier-2-channels/avis/r.125177.html translate my review in google and you will have more infos, I play this amp since the beginning
Duel rectifier trim-O-verb 100w head paired with a 4X12 mesa cab
have you ever played a early 3ch recto?
The term Verb added to the Recto just means reverb added to that amp , head or combo... Very simple explanation
When Trem is added it means Tremolo and Reverb are added to the head or combo , also very simple explanation
Enjoyed your research and the 5150 video you did ... I recently purchased a block letter 5150 and own several of the Mesa amps you covered... Currently own
Single Rect Solo head (snake skin tolex)
Dual Rect multi watt reborn head (black face)
Triple Rect Solo head (loaded with 6v6 power tubes)
Single Rect-O-verb II combo
Dual Trem-O-Verb combo
F100 combo
MKV 90w head
Can anyone help me? I have a Single Rectifier/ 50 . In wich Timeline is the Single one Home? Has anyone like me one of the single's and how do you like them?
I've got a single that's a series 2.Ive had it since 03.I like it but it has to be boosted in the front to get rid of the muddy bass just like the dual and triple.Then it's like a whole different amp.Tight and heavy ass hell.If you haven't boosted yours, try a horizon devices precision drive or something like that.youll love it.If the gain channel has a two position mode switch you have a series 1.If it has a three position mode switch that is raw, vintage and modern you have a series two like mine.They discontinued the 50 watt single rectos a few years back and replaced it with the 25watt mini.That makes no sense.So hold on to it cause it will be collectable in the future.That being said.As soon as I can get up the $,I'm retiring mine for a Revv Generator 120.They smoke Mesa big time.
"The Truth?! You can't handle the Truth!" - the Joker -1988
This is so sad
The racktifiers were the best sounding ones I used to have one I really regret selling it
If you are into guns specifically AK's you are well aware of a guy named Mischaco. This guy is the Misha of guitar amps.
Mesa Boogie amps with scooped mids sound aggressive af that's why I want a triple rectifier to play Thrash Metal.
Dude, check out Yerasov Bulldozer. Guys said it sounds like true old Mesa.
The room you're recording in has a lot of echo. Doesn't sound great. Great content though!
Well? Buy him a new room then? Who fuckin cares what you think?
I love Mesa boogie,but the recto pre-amp section is 100% Soldano SLO super lead.They stole the design from Mike.They just use a crappy power section compared to the SLO.You can even find vids on here where Mike Soldano talks about it.Just wished rectos weren't so damn muddy.I can't stand mine unless I boost the hell out of the front of it.Then it's a beast
why is boosting it an issue, you can get a tube screamer for like $50 mesa amps are the best
@@Dobis86 it's not a issue.Mesas are great amps.Ive played them for over 20 years. The best pedal that I've found that works best with rectos is the precision drive.It really allows you to dial in or out the flubby low end.That being said I got a Revv Generator 120 mk2 a couple years back.The only mesa amp that even comes close to it is the JP 2c.The Revv needs no boost but I boost it anyway,lol.In the words of Yngwie,more is more.Plus it's just sounds even more ungodly awesome when you do.
I'd like the Road King 2
i sold mine for a gibson firebird and some cash. Was in combo form and WAYYYYYYY too heavy. I still have a Roadster head, which I prefer tbh. I also own a Nomad55, Mark25
RED IS RADDD
Multiwatt best rectifier !!
I thought the RoadKing V came out in 2006
Show, brother. Together as one.
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Rev A and B were prototypes and were never released. Triples started at Rev F to my understanding - there were no C/D/E Triples.
The cleans on the 2 channel solos are just the overdrive channel attenuated, which is why they suck.
There are roughly 2000-2300 Rev Fs and about 12,000 Rev Gs
The 3 channels yave an actual clean channel but it's not great. It wasn't until the Roadster/Road King that Rectifiers got good clean and the clean channel from that ended up on the multiwatts.
teach me god
Great video! You sound like Ben Shapiro!
Ok this is epic
look up the talk with Soldano saying they basically ripped off his schematic, its practically identical but with a weak ass power amp
I have it linked in the description!
Where story about stolen soldano preamp
Oh goodness not the slow 100
please subtitules !
It was EL 84 not 34
You are right! I got that wrong. Will correct that!
@rectofiles
Had a Tremoverb back in the day, I like my Soldano SLO about a million times more.....
S L O 100 not slow
I love your username.
Slow 100??? Lmfao... S.L.O. man, it's an acronym
Right - and pronounced "SLOW" by everyone and their mother. Are you new? lol
@@siriusfun I've never heard one person call it a slow. Even Mike soldano calls it the S L O, so apparently you're the new one