50007+50049. Mega Struggle & Thrash up Lickey Incline. The Christmas White Rose Express.
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2021
- I think this was the slowest passenger train I have ever seen coming up the Lickey Incline, but it was a great sight to see.
The problems seam to have started with a late departure from Gloucester, one guy told us when we was waiting for the railtour that 50049 was not in the best of heath, so that could of been the reason why they struggled up the incline as I think 50007 was doing most of the work.
I only had seconds getting the shot at Water Orton, and I didn't think I would get there in time.
What i find amazing is that despite the locos over 50 years old they can still do what they do best a credit to all involved
with the locos
You are right the guys who keep these old locos going are real enthusiasts and must really love them Aaron.
@@antman09ful1 got a driver experience on one at the svr on september the 6th
A great video. I was on the tour and can confirm that the Lickey was an absolute stagger. However the 50s performed superbly for the rest of the tour. There are a team of expert fitters from the Class 50 Alliance on board who keep these wonderful machines running for us all to enjoy. Thanks for posting.
Yes them fitters travel with the locos on every railtour Dave which I think is great.
Pleased you enjoyed your day behind these two great locos, and thank you for watching my video. Regards Mike.
WOW fantastic footage. The wife sits watching East Enders,I’m watching this superb footage with headphones on with max volume.Thank you so much for posting
I love your comment mate, thank you for watching my video. Cheers Mike.
Amazing Mike, what excellent sight and sounds there from these 2 great locos. I actually thought the 67s on the RHTT added to your video. Simply brilliant
Looking back at yesterday Matthew, I think it added to what was happening on the bank at the time, so yes I agree.
Great video Mike, that was a fantastic weight they were dragging, excellent show all round, thanks !
Glad you enjoyed the video Rod, I certainly was pleased to have picked that place to film the train. Regards Mike.
Fantastic Mike.. thank you for going out for them
Tom I'm very pleased I decided to go to the bank, although it was very cold as I got there early and the train was late, and I could feel my finger towards to end. Thanks Tom for your comment. Mike.
Those Class 50's are really working hard! What a fantastic video!👏
Thank you very much for watching.
Well done, great video, I saw it at Barnt Green and could hear it for a while before it appeared. Well done on getting to Water Orton from Lickey that’s not normally an easy trip either !
Thanks for your comment and watching DB Railways, yes I was lucky to get that shot at Water Orton. Regards Mike.
First class footage. Thank you.
Thank you for saying that.
the exhaust manifolds and the turbos must have glowing red hot going up there
Possible, thanks for the comment Jack.
Excellent filming. They should've put the locos into first gear.
Cheers for your interest in the video.
Super video Mike, great footage from both locations. Cheers, Jeff.
Many thanks Jeff for watching. Mike.
Super video, some beautiful lighting conditions!
I passed beneath this tour on the M5 south of Cheltenham, they just happened to rumble overhead as I drove by - picked them up on my dashcam! :D
That was a good bit of luck for you, thank you for watching my video.
Well done for capturing that Mike. Struggle and Thrash about sums it up. Magnificent sight though.
Bryan it all worked out in the end for us who were filming and taking photos there, so pleased after waiting 1.50 mins in the cold.
Great video...a blast from the past seeing a 50 tackle the 1/37 Lickey Incline 😎🇬🇧👍🏽🎉
I was pleased I decided to film the on the bank, such a great sight to see. Cheers Mike.
Great stuff, at times it seemed like they were hardly moving at all. Well filmed, keep up the great work.
Many thanks for your kind comment, and for watching the video. Mike.
Excellent video Mike and that did seem a real slow struggle up the incline. Nicely captured.
Cheers - Allan :-)
Many thanks Allan for watching. Mike.
Excellent video! That engine was right in its limit!
Yes it was Robin, it was a great sight to witness.
Thank you for your comment on my video.
Excellent video 👍
Thanks for have a look.
Wow they where working hard!.... What a glorious sound 🔊👍
Yes it was Mark I was very pleased with my decision to go there to film these great two locos.
Thanks for your interest in this video, Regards Mike.
Amazing video Mike!! Lovely shot of the 50s climbing all the way up! And nice catch of the RHTT with those filthy 67s!! Would make a really satisfying video with a high pressure washer just blasting it off in clean lines!!
It was a morning I will not forget Jacob, with all the waiting in the cold and that view of the 50s coming so slow up the bank, plus thinking are we going to get blocked by the RHTT.
Thanks Jacob for your continued interest in my videos. Mike.
Surprised they didn't have a banker on the back, seen a few fail in the steam days. Has also a few diesels have struggled. Great video loved it, thanks for sharing.
Thank you John for your comment, I did see a freight once struggling and it had a banker.
Lovely stuff Mike 👍
Thank you Warren.
Lickey and Water Orton reminded me of the Trooping the Colour - the foot guards’ slow march past HM followed by the quick, except that the 50s belting by at WO was more like the Royal Horse Artillery thundering past HM much, I imagine, to HM’s delight. Smashing stuff. Thanks.
Thanks for your comment, and for taking your time to watch.
Greatfilming Mike, steady climb indeed but they made the top, eventually, cheers . 👍
Yes it was a great sight indeed Stephen, so pleased I didn't get bowled.
A good sight on the incline and good sound. Cheers.👍
Many thanks for watching David.
I agree very slow. However with 13 on the hook and 49 on the poorly side it wasn't a bad effort. Great ot see them at speed at Water Orton. Nice pair of dirty 67's. Great video Mike 🤓 stay safe 💙
It was a very trying morning Tony but I did have a nice breakfast at Tamworth, and a few beers with my mate in Derby.
So it was a good full day. Cheers Mike.
Great video Mike, that didn't sound too good but I'm glad they had an excellent run throughout the day. Your videos are always and excitement.
Thank you very much for your comment, yes you are right about there performance after I filmed this footage. Mike.
Anytime mate
Great video Mike. Both fast and slooow. Even better for having the RHTT passing as you waited.
Well it made the situation more interesting didn't it Phil. Cheers Mike.
Wheres my Hobc video Phil ?? 😁😂
@@ianjones4116 I've not forgot Ian ! In fact you nearly got one on Sunday. The HOBC came through Crewe to Sandbach then reversed back to Crewe. Unfortunately I couldn't get out of church in time 🤣
Fantastic, thank you so much.
You're very welcome Martin, thank you for taking a look at this video. Mike.
Great video mate. I was right next to you! Getting in a right flap about that RHTT
Yes we all were, but it all worked ok in the end. Cheers Mike.
That was bloody good timing Mike, never seen RHTT working well that is loco hauled, only get blasted track flaming machines! A sumptuous capture of these lovely engines, but boy, didnt they struggle? This shot and Allans are just right up there and you couldn't possibly call a clear winner! Said to Allan i think the gb livery suits the fifties very well, but the purists im sure wouldent agree! Wonderful shot there, a sight to behold, take care and cheers Nick.Oh nice to see the Colas twins and actually a great suprise, thought they had transferred to GBRf!
Nick as you said it was some sight and it all worked ok in the end as the group of us who were there was panicking a bit when them class 67s appeared at the top of the bank, I have watched Allan filming also.
Thank you for your comment nick, and oh yes I was going to go out again tonight to film them at New Street but the weather was shit so I didn't bother. Mike.
@@antman09ful1 haha shit, yes absolutely! Any idea when the Colas twins are leaving ?
Great video , steep hill and a heavy load , so hats off to the two class 50's , they don't seem to be able to rev very much while under pressure. What you want there is Irish rails 071 class with there v12 twin turbo and seemingly endless revs , and nothing coming out the top only a heat haze . Some great clips on line , Irish trains at speed. Anyway loved your video and thanks for sharing 👍👍🤞
Thank you for your comment on this video, and for watching my other videos.
Great video😀
Glad you enjoyed it.
Another Fab Video Mike ,Love the classic clag of the class 50s 👌🏴🎉🥳 I think the class 67s Contributed towards it ,Be thankful it wasn't a Modern day Express like these Azuma or Pendelino Passenger trains that could have spoilt it for you,All the best for 2022 🥳🎉🏴👌
Glad you enjoyed it Stephen, I must say I would not have been there if it was one of the nasty plastic things. Thanks for taking a look. Mike.
Amtman! I can't believe it was you! Absolutely brilliant to meet you mate, you got an absolutely cracking shot of these monsters!
Well thank you, and its always great to meet other youtubers.
Will look forward to watching you footage and videos you talked about to me. Great to meet you properly this morning, Mike.
@@antman09ful1 Very most welcome mate, and likewise. That's very kind mate I really appreciate that greatly :) Hopefully see you around again :)
Hi Mike. Great Video Yet Again. Take Care. Cheers Andy.
Cheers Andy for taking a look, have a good Christmas.
Hi Mike. You All Aswell Have A Great Xmas.. Take Care. Cheers Andy.
Great Video Mike, I'm behind these Class 50s on the 18th December :)
That will be great Blake, is that one up the ECML ?
Very good video Mike :)
Thank you very much Simon.
fantastic vid
Thanks for watching, just had a look at your video at Tame bridge, I was going to go to New Street, pleased I didn't with them problems.
Great catch , earning their keep 👍👍
Thank you very much for watching.
Good load on the drawbar , that will give them a good workout. Great filming
Thank you for watching.
Awesome! Love defiance. Subbed.
Pleased you enjoyed the filming.
Excellent video, I was at Gloucester this morning, and believe that the issue up until that point was the generator van cutting out and the train losing the electrical supply. Certainly before the 50's were coupled on, the ETH cables were plugged in between the 2 loco's, and then onto the stock. If one loco was hauling 13 plus a dead loco, and supplying ETH it would explain why the climb of the Lickey became such a stagger
Thank you James for watching and for explaining the problem at Gloucester.
A very entertaining morning for us you could say. Cheers Mike.
Both engines are running, thats poor up likey that... either a rubbish driver, or he hasnt worked the engines up to full potential....😉
That was pretty awesome. Nice to see the Colas Skips photobombing
I would not of agreed with you if I had got bowled, thanks for comment.
I did see online a photo of oil all down the bodyside of one of them at Newcastle so judging by that hard work up Lickey, you could be right in that one of them was not feeling too well today! Still sounded frikin awesome though.
Well Steve, my mate went to Derby tonight, and said 049 sounded fine, so I don't know what to think about this morning performance.
But it was very entertaining for us videoing it.
13 ON... GOOD LOAD FOR THE LICKEY EVEN WITH A DOUBLE HEADER. GREAT VIDEO.
That's right Graham, and wasn't a superb sight to see.
Excellent video perfect position
Glad you liked the video Stuart. Mike
Mike, I'm surprised the train made Water Orton as not seen anything slower than this up the LIckey. It lost 6 minutes on the climb. Regards, John
That's right John, it seamed to be losing time before Bromsgrove.
A mate of mine filmed it at Derby tonight and said 049 sounded ok.
Regards Mike.
Thanks for sharing this great footage Mike. Had to watch it again on the laptop with headphones. Phenomenal performance by 50 007, pulling around 500 tons, a faulty generator coach, and a poorly 50 049 (another 100+) from a standing start at Bromsgrove up the 1 in 37. Wonder what the drawbar hp calculation would have been?!
Good to see your YT name pop up again Andy, Thank you for your great comment on what was happening that morning. Regards Mike.
Wasn't it 50034 n not 50007
It wouldn't be unusual for a 50 in good nick to be putting out close to 3000hp.
@@kgc20goober I believe it has two numbers
@@kgc20goober It's 50007 masquerading as 50034. The real 50034 met it's maker many years ago!
Enjoyable video in so many respects, and the RHTT added another dimension. Not uncommon to see two or sometimes even three trains in sight at the same time at that location. Caution going down and as in your video labouring coming up. Many thanks for posting.
Thank you very much Andrew for comment, I do appreciate you guys who watching my videos and take time to comment. Regards Mike.
@@antman09ful1 A special video that one and I used to live not far from there, and that's probably the slowest I've seen too. At one time the section from Bromsgrove to Blackwell had an intermediate colour light signal just south of Pikes Pool Lane bridge, so that a second train could enter the section once the first train had cleared the intermediate signal. A big help to speed up traffic if the line was busy. Regards, Andrew
Thanks Andrew for informing me what went on in this section. Mike.
Amazing footage Mike, great job👍🙂 I wonder why there is so much dust going from under the train at 4:02🙄
Its not dust its a water spray to stop the trains slipping on the leaves.
@@antman09ful1 Ahaaaa, now it is clear for me, thanks for explanation😉
Excellent video of the 50s and the soon to be ex colas 67s Mike the 50s look to be struggling as well mind there was a lot of coaches on the tour today
Pleased you had a look at my footage Andrew, who is having the 67s then Andrew ??
It’s interesting to watch. That’s nominally 5,400 bhp for 13 carriages which you’d have thought was enough. Also, I’m not there, you were, but just listening to them it doesn’t sound as loud as I remember them being when they used to pull out of Exeter St Davids - single engine with say 10 behind - heading up towards Tiverton.
Well lots have people have said what the reason was, all I can say is thank you for your interest in watching my video.
Ha! I just love the lingo “struggle and thrash” sounds like a public schoolboy trying to escape from corporal punishment
Well John that is one way of looking at yesterday.
Rode up Lickey in a Thumper many years ago, about the same speed!
Wow that would have been a one off Bob.
Also looked to be going up with a yellow ahead, possibly boxing clever so that by the time they got to the next signal (the red) it had cleared to avoid any danger of a restart with part of the train on the bank.
There was problems when leaving Bromsgrove John.
Thanks for watching my video. Mike.
Yeh they did struggle didn’t they, I think the RHTT broke up the monotony of the 50s coming up the incline..lol.. I got them at several places, Vid on soon… great vid
Hi Kev, yes I believe the RHTT made the video more interesting lol, I have watched you filming of the tour, cheers Mike.
Fantastic shots Mike. I actually thought the RHTT added to it. Of course if it was a few moments later I may not be saying this haha
Ps. Wow did they sound and look good through WTO
Yes Ben I know agree with you about the RHTT now, but at the time no. BIT soon.
Great video, but pretty poor performance. Perhaps Clun Castle or the Duchess should have banked, lol. I'm amazed you made it to Water Orton though. I've taken longer than that from Solihull to Chelmsley, lol. Great shot though.
Robert I was amazed I got to Water Orton as it was getting so late, and I was thinking New Street is a bottleneck so I might have a chance.
I had checked if it was possible if the train was on time to get to WO, but I did have to run from the car as I could hear them by Park Lane Junction.
Class 67, such a good looking loco
Nothing wrong with them I agree mate.
Well, they both seemed to be running well when they finally got to Newcastle, and they didn't lose any further time significantly between York and Newcastle
Yes I have watched a few videos and all sounded fine.
Morning Mike. Any concrete proof regarding the slow running? I wondered if it was due to poor adhesion, or maybe he had been cautioned. The latter especially as the RHTT also seemed to be going very slowly....
Morning Julian, the RHTT had been up the bank only about 30 mins before the tour, and the tour did stop at Bromsgrove so they had no run at it. cheers Mike.
That was a heavy train. I remember the Royal Scot steam hauled with 12 coaches back in the 60s out of Preston and would have been assisted over Shap and Beatock. When the 50s were moved to be coupled up at Preston later the premium trains were double headed with the Class 50s; at the time the Railway Magazine commented that Beatock was easily climbed with the pair at Notch 4. The Lickey aint Beatock though?
Thank you for watching and your comment.
In various early 1970s back numbers of railway magazines, there are timing logs from the likes of Cecil J Allen which recorded some brilliant [and not so brilliant] journeys. As Weaver-Glasgow modernisation got under way the double-fifties were diagrammed to take over said "premium trains" at Crewe, then indeed subsequently at Preston once the overheads were energised as far as there. My father travelled from Watford to Carlisle on business once during that era [1973 IIRC]; he was under the impression that the same "lecky" was powering the train and was astonished when he alighted to find diesels on the front. Shap and Beattock are a breeze compared to Lickey!
A great catch but neither loco sounded very happy!
Well no Colin, but all the reports are saying that they sounded superb after the Bank. Cheers Mike.
There is something unique about standing up the Lickey listening to an English Electric loco approaching
Yes on this morning it was outstanding I think, cheers for watching.
Those 67s could have gone up and down 5 times, and you still wouldn't get bowled due to their walking speed! Sounded good though, the old things. Best bit is for those on board it gave them more time on the Lickey than they imagined!!! Excellent 👍🏻
Oh yes that is a great way of looking what happened yesterday morning Mr Gallagher.
Thanks again for your interest in my videos. Mike.
So why was the train going so slowly? Looks like it started out as a Christmas Express and ended up as a Midsummer Murders Whodunit Tour. I counted about 14 coaches on the train, but there were two locos. Were they underpowered?
The question you asked is in the comments from people in the no, but thanks for your interest.
GWR cream and brown... took long enough. Rainfanning teaches patience.😂👍
Thank you for watching.
I'd say it started on a red or single yellow light at Bromsgrove and had 13 on only one B4 bogie, all the other Commonwealth bogies, not that the length or bogies were any issue.
Yes I believe you are right with what happened mate.
@@antman09ful1 A pair at line speed through Bromsgrove would romp up the bank, I did notice the single yellow once the reverse angle was shown in the video.
Sounds like they are at tick over lol give it some wellie man! 😂
Cheers for watching Mike.
Well, they made it in the end....but where's Big Bertha when you need her! Good one.
Oh yes that Big bertha Gaz, Cheers Mike.
Sorry, neither big Bertha nor jinties were available.
Oh dear, that was excruciating. Was this taken from Burcot crossing?
Don't know what you are referring to but the answer is no.
@@antman09ful1
The lineside location from which the footage was taken!
Ive seen a vid of the return working, 049 has oil down the side!!
Yeah I did spot that, but my mate went to Derby tonight and said 049 sounded fine. Thanks for taking a look.
13 carriages at ca. 40 tons each, 500 tons up a i in 7 with 5,400 hp up front? Don't believe it. It remeinds me of a Top Gear episode where Clarkson bought an old Maserati Merak and put it on the brake. It was making 80 bhp or similar.
Thank you for finding this amazing sight, and your comment.
I had no idea the Lickey Incline had been wired up.. are any electrics running on it?
Yes there is a train every twenty mins to Bromsgrove..
Was that photobombing train doing somekind of track cleaning maintenance? Havent seen those never in Finland
They run between September and December to clean the track from the falling leaves so the trains don't slip..
@@antman09ful1 that's clever, thanks for answering 👍
They struggled alright but sounded amazing
It was an amazing sight I think matey, cheers for taking a look . Mike.
Much better when it goes down ... lol
Yes Philip from watching my video.
Mark, Lickey incline as in Lickey Hills Birmingham?
Yes Paul. Thanks for watching.
@@antman09ful1 no way didn't know there was a line there, I've spent many a time up the hills need to find this now
Ok Paul.
Fantastic clip there Ant but the lead loco is 50034 and not 50007. But otherwise a fantastic thrash despite the 67's near photobombing.
Thank you for watching.
Sorry Craig I must put you right as it seams you don't know much about this class 50 loco.
The number now and again gets changed on ONE SIDE of the loco.
It is 50007 Craig.
@@antman09ful1 So 50007 was masquerading as another classmate that has since long gone?
In my opinion should always been in green and Sir Edward!!!@@antman09ful1
That is hellfire lol
It certainly was mate, thanks for watching.
125mph locomotives on RHTT??
Well yes you are right.
034 & 049 long pull 👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
On this day it was, thanks for your interest in my video.
After years of progress you have cages around trains now, you can’t see them coming from a bridge until 500 meters SAD
Yes I get what you mean, I don't like all that metal.
Sounds like they were not on full power so maybe they'd been slipping? Mind you, at a speed this low you can't really use full power anyway.
Yes you are right, I believe there was a problem at the bottom of the bank, and could only go this slow up the bank.
Thanks for watching.
has anyone pointed out its 50034 not 50007 at the front
Garry it has 50007 on one side which is the proper number for that loco, and 50034 on the other side.
Low Power mode,, Traction Control on max setting . Lol.😁👍
Thanks Ian for your thoughts on what the reason was on that morning.
Wonder if Hornby designers watch this so they can see the actual colour of a GBRf class 50
I doubt it Paul, cheers for taking a look.
Should we get out and push 😅
You are strong.
They were proper struggling weren't they.
Oh yes, but its a sight we don't see everyday. Cheers for watching.
@@antman09ful1 no worries. The 50s out again in a fortnight coming to my neck of the woods. I got em today but the Sun went in a few minutes before they arrived.
Painful!!
That is a good way to put it Stuart.
Why put so many carriages on if the Diesel engines are not up to it? Is this how these trains operated in service - at walking pace?
The locos are well up for having that many stock on it, I believe there was a problem departing Bromsgrove Victor.
They didn't go flat out in order to protect the engines - just like when you drive a vintage car
Thank you for your thoughts of what happened mate, and for taking a look. Mike.
one must of been poorly , because there is over 6000hp there.
Well something wasn't right this morning Alistair, cheers for having a look.
@@antman09ful1 your welcome it was a good video 😊
I had a friend, now sadly long gone, who was a stoker on express/passengers and he said more than once that he was convinced God put the Lickey climb there just because he hated him personally..... or at least thats how it felt after moving a couple of tons of coal over the 200/
250miles up from the south, Penzance, Bristol etc etc and then having to do Lickey to get over the hill into Birmingham. Every vid posted of Lickey makes me think of him
So you have some great memories of this incline over the years, thanks for watching.
@@antman09ful1 Absolutely, great memories. It was funny how so few in the pub new him as any other than a friendly old guy at the bar with a terrible cough - lungs full of soot and coal dust - but to me a guy who'd been on the foot plate of almost every type of major steam loco to ever run on British rails and whom I loved listening to. He did say that after the war he probably experienced the best and the worst on the railways. Best because with British Rail coming in he managed to get a go on nearly all ex LMS/LNER/Great Western locos from Glasgow down to Penzance out of Birmingham but the worst in seeing them all go off to be scrapped. He retired from the railways soon after.
As no Train Crew ever Work that Distance on that route, where does the amount of Coal come from. At the Most a passenger Train would have been crewed from Bristol to Birmingham (97 Mile). Having been a fireman on this line, what is said is nonsense.
@@alanspencer6876 ok. 'As no train crew ever worked that distance on that route, where does the amount of coal come from. At the most a passenger train would have been crewed from Bristol to Birmingham (97 Mile). Having been a fireman on this line, what is said is nonsense'. I was recounting tales from memory of an old friend now gone over 20yrs. I appologise if what I said was nonsense. I certainly wouldn't want to insult his memory.
I think those locos both need their power outputs testing - this performance suggests that they were the equivalent of type 2 locos rather than type 4.
To be fair Ian they did stop at Bromsgrove.
Could do with an 08 push!
Oh that would have been a sight to see Ian
I think you got something wrong on your video! IE 50007 is not there 50034 is and so is ,50049 sorry to point this out
Must put you right, IT IS 50007 which is on the other side of the loco which is its true number.
Sorry Mike, but the first loc was 50034 and not 50007.
Yes from the side of the train I filmed it did say 50034, but on the other side it had its proper number 50007.
I'm sorry to say you don't have much knowledge of the class 50 locos that are running these day, but thank you for watching the video. Regards Mike.
@@antman09ful1 You give a somewhat typical reaction here. Every viewer of your video will see a different number on this loco than what you mention. It therefore seems only logical to me to respond to this.
Your reaction comes across as rather bizarre as if everyone should know exactly what the numbers on this locomotive are like. Perhaps you should realize that not everyone dives into this matter as deeply as you apparently do. And by the way, that's not really necessary either, you could just get a bit more realistic!
I get where you are coming from with this comment sir, but the numbers are so big that you cannot make a mistake with the ID of the loco.
Surly you must have given that some thought sir, and that others that commented did not mention it.
Another number this loco has carried is 50014 but it will still have 50007 on the other side.
50034 was scrapped in 1991
Hope you had a good Christmas day, happy new year to you. Regards Mike.
07 was always Sir Edward!!!