A big issue I've had with most marvel (or other blockbuster superhero films) is that they feel they no longer capture any humans in their film. The films feel corporate in nature and watching them just reeks of that corporate control on a narrative. For me, Spiderman has always represented just any person who also has super powers, they're no billionaire, they're not in a giant superhero team, they are just a person.
I don't like seeing people make these sweeping generalizations about "modern Marvel" because you don't need to go that far back to see great Marvel media like Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 3, X-Men '97, Loki, and more. There's still almost one excellent MCU or MCU-adjacent project that comes out each year.
That first sentence should get so much attention. This shitshow summarizes itself whenever two characters in completely black and white "good" and "bad" boxes, both hegemonically beautiful more often than not, throw punches and blasts that level buildings and crunch animators, coming out of it without even as much as a hair out of place, a drop of blood, a smear of dust on their attires. Then, you are not watching humans. Every aspect of it makes it what it is
Thank you for putting into words why Spider-Man is my favorite superhero, who has somehow become even more of a hero to me the older I get, and not because he can climb walls, swing from webs, and stop trains. That is something I simply couldn’t put into words myself.
My favorite Lines from this Movie are, and always have been: Gwen: "It's for your own good" Miles: "WHO DECIDES THAT!?" It's subtle and gets lost since Miguel berates Miles right after but encompasses the struggle people who are different (and choose to wear that difference) have to face philosophically, while choosing to be empathetic. "I'm listening to you, but it feels like you aren't listening to me. I'm willing to be convinced or have my mind changed but you won't tell me "Why". Only "What" you think is right." It's a powerful question with few real answers. Communication is only key when Understanding is present.
Honestly super well said! I feel this. People will say this about queer people constantly. “You don’t know yourself” as if my own life wasn’t my own proof.
i think another point to add is hobie’s involvement in the story. i forgot the name of the youtuber, but there was a video named “when a deep character pretends to be shallow” or something like that and it breaks down how hobie goes against the spider society. though he doesn’t believe in labels, hobie’s an anarchist and in his introduction, he lists all the systems and practices he opposes, but also jokes around, painting him as an unserious character and one that’s in miles’ way. however, he never goes against miles and actually praises and uplifts miles during his highs and when he breaks canon. then, when the team goes to the spider society, hobie tries warning miles about the oppressive and inhumane nature of the society (the “go home” machine, telling miles he doesn’t need to be a part of the society to “fit in,” telling him to not join without fully understanding what the society’s about, and telling him to use his hands and not just his palms to escape the holding miguel puts him in). he knows the system’s going to get turned upside down with miles’ introduction to miguel and sees the writing on the wall. hobie does everything he can to help miles because he knows he wouldn’t be accepted because of his differences and just doesn’t believe the society is just. this is why we all love hobie and why he’s one of the best spidermen. great video 👍🏾
One thing I really like about Gwen’s arc in this story is that there are more complex reasons given as to WHY Gwen has joined Miguel’s system. In most superhero movies, a character joins a villainous or antagonistic organization because THEY themselves BELIEVE in the cause of these villains. In this way, antagonists are clearly painted as “evil” so the good characters can oppose them in a simple, binaristic way. Gwen, however, is not really “drinking the Kool aid” of Miguel’s whole system. It’s clear she has doubts, but the main reason why she stays is because she has no where else to go. In most of Across the Spiderverse, we cannot forget the fact that Gwen is literally homeless after having run away from her home universe and deciding to join Miguel and supposedly live in his home universe. She sides with his system because it was the one thing that was able to provide her a home and security after the trauma of having to run away from a parent that had literally threatened violence to her in their last interaction. This is why seeing queer subtext in Gwen’s character was such a common thing amongst audiences, she has to grapple with the very common reality homelessness while still having to maintain the courage to challenge the system that could be providing her any kind of safety net or home in the first place.
I think she also is enthralled with the idea of FATE that Miguel clings to with his Canonverse stuff. Imagine having the weight of the world on your shoulders after losing your best friend and maybe losing your father, and someone else comes along and tells you it was fate that killed him, that you couldn't have saved him no matter what.....he instantly lifted all that guilt from her.
Gwen's story in the film reminds weirdly about a person being dragged into a cult. She's at her lowest point, desperate for meaning and with nowhere to go, then someone presents her all this rhetoric about how her struggles are just meant to be, and it's best for everyone if it's this way. The whole Spider Society feels like a cult, really. Especially with the way that Miguel publicly berates and isolates first Miles, then Gwen, while re-asserting his position.
Feel that but kinda on the other side. I wish I had Puerto Rican men to look up to in the big name stuff but now that people have it now like you do its amazing :)
@@calebsolonas6085 miguel is mexican and irish. they emphasized his latino roots in spiderverse(which is a good idea to me). miles and his -fine ass- ma are puerto rican.
Miles is genuinely one of the best superheroes to exist in a hot minute. Spiderverse is immensely passionate and I'm extremely happy and thankful it even exists in this raw fashion.
There’s actually been something that came out very recently that reinforces the point of this video; X-Men ‘97. And it is the best thing Marvel Studios/Marvel Animation has put out in a very long time. It doesn’t shy away from any of the political themes of the original show, and instead doubles down and really challenges the characters and their ideals against the world at large. It literally moved me to tears.
It is a shame that majority of current superhero media in film are so scared of being a little subversive, especially when some of the greatest stories from comics came from addressing real-world problems and seeing how characters respond to it. I feel like X-Men 97 really captured that, and I loved that they kept the beating heart of what they stand for very clear. Great video!
We were able to be a little subversive back then because people were mature back then and can handle political conversations. Now, the politics today is too toxic and unhealthy for anyone to deal with. I say NO to political superheroes. It's not that I dislike politics in entertainment, it's that people cannot handle it or even do it properly.
X Men 97 really feels like the first thing in a long while out of Marvel Studios to feel like it is ABOUT something. I haven't watched anything out of Disney Marvel with this much political subtext since Black Panther, it's honestly such a breath of fresh air.
Definitely the right choice to remake the title and thumbnail. Saw it at first and kind of skipped it for later but with this one i clicked it immediately
One of the biggest things lost with the whole "multiverse" kick superhero films have been on recently is that they cycle out the fighting of social injustices with big explosions and ridiculous action sequences. Spider-Verse shows that you can do both at the same time, have a crazy action movie with extreme themes that are practically in your face
@@Cdr2002 not every superhero story should do the same thing with the same concepts. If you want that, then why not go and play Injustice 1 and 2? Or read those comics?
@@channel45853 I hate injustice because those stories are more about being edgy and making familiar heroes evil and killing off characters gratuitously. I wasn’t saying every superhero story should be the same, what I was trying to articulate is that there was a time where the multiverse was not necessarily the antithesis to deeper themes as it’s seen as now, something SpiderVerse itself is proof of, and I used one archetype of story as an example
Kind of disappointed you didn’t talk about Hobie Brown, Spider Punk, at all, considering he’s an explicitly political character based on a political subculture. He reinforces a lot of the themes of the movie, and serves as the more experienced activist helping the new generation find their footing and start their own fight against the system.
As a white, straight, cisgender male, who grew up middle class, the entirety of this video (as well as both Into and Across the Spider-Verse) resonates with me on a very personal level. I remember a year ago when I watched Across the Spider-Verse in theaters with my dad, and how I got a crazy amount of goosebumps at Miles’ “everyone keeps telling me what I’m ‘supposed’ to be! Nah, imma do my own thing” sequence in the film. For so long, I have felt like society, my family, my peers, friends, girlfriends, and even complete strangers have been trying to tell me what I should be or do with my life. No, I’m not going to drop out of college to chase some crazy dreams, because I don’t have any of those, but I have dropped out of 2 semesters of college now, because of anxiety and depression I was diagnosed with, thanks to a world that continues to beat me down, right after I feel like I have accomplished something great. I am a Christian, and I do believe strongly in a God who is real and loves all of us here on earth, no matter what kind of lives we lead. But even if I do believe He has a plan for me, I still feel like sometimes there’s something “wrong” with me because I don’t “fit” into His plan. And I’m not saying I know better than Him (I have never nor would ever claim so) but I know now that He doesn’t want me to “fit perfectly” into anything; because I’m not a puzzle piece, I’m a human being. All of this being said, even if I do work up the courage to say “nah, imma do my own thing” I still feel like Miles does when all the people he thought he could trust turn against him, when Gwen, someone he genuinely believed in and trusted and was in love with and (probably) loved, lied to him. When he lands in the wrong universe, and nothing is as it’s supposed to be. But every now and then, thanks to a rallying pep talk from my mom (similar to Rio’s “little boy to little man” pep talk in the first act) or someone believing in my VERY unconventional way of doing things (like how Peter B. loves Miles for his individuality when it comes to being Spider-Man) or if it’s trying to balance responsibility and power and/or fun, while always trying to look on the bright side, mostly with my very awkward sense of humor (“unless you bake two cakes” or “well… there’s a first time for everything, right?”) something helps me to *always get back up.* And that something is how, at the end of the day, like Gwen, I can be myself, and accept myself for who I am, even if others or society or even my own family may be against me, and still mend/fix/heal those relationships I have with my family; both those who I didn’t choose, and those who I *do* choose. I have hope, that like Miles, I can say “nah, imma do my own thing”, and those who truly love me will stand by my side. And my mistakes, how I’ve been hurt, etc., will never change who I am, just like how nothing will ever be able to change that *Miles IS SPIDER-MAN* Thank you for this video. And thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Watching itsv in theatres at 9 years old will always be something I consider a huge moment in my life. I've rewatched it multiple times a year since, it means so much to me. I wasn't able to watch atsv in theaters, but when I was finally able to watch it a few months later, ive rewatched THAT movie at least 5 times since.
@immanuel7925, yes this! I feel the same about trying to pretend Sue Storm has always been a strong, independent, fearless, serious woman. We can have a submissive woman learn to stand on her own two feet. That can and does happen
@immanuel7925 don't recall if it was exactly like that, but those ideas are what makes me love Spectacular Spidey so much, I consider it the best adaptation of Peter Parker. At a lot of moments, he's just flawed, even shitty, authentically a teenager in those aspects. His maturing throughout the episodes, sometimes even revisiting specific growth from previous episodes (I'm envisioning the "antidote" thing), are what make me respect his character SO much on that one
Amazing video. I feel like the MCU, the avengers specifically, has a very pro authority undertone. As I've grown up more I've actually leaned more towards the X-Men and the Justice League, people who were not brought together through government for a supersoldier authority, but all individually chose to do good coming together to support each other, with both teams having very openly pushed against authority and fight for the rights of those who are left behind by political figures.
What I find kind of interesting that there was a time where the Avengers, including Captain America himself, were very anti-authority. Steve Rogers broke away from the US government, eventually reclaimed his mantle that they took legal ownership of, and self-sanctioned the parole of three former criminals as members of the Avengers. I think the push to bring the team more in line with answering to an authoritative body (Civil War comic, the Ultimates, MCU for the most part) has been a response to 9/11 and the increase of patriotism/nationalism and rallying towards this country’s authoritative bodies rather than away from them that we saw happen a lot after the attacks. The Avengers as I see it are still seeing the affects of that. I definitely recommend their books from the 60s-90s. You might find something closer to what you get out of the X-Men and Justice League, who I love as well don’t get me wrong
@@Cdr2002 Thank you so much for the recommendations! I'm definitely going to look up these plotlines more! 💕 I knew very early Captain America had a different tone but it's been hard with the popularity of the MCU to find and talk about more of these comics.
@@NealaBeala I would again skew to prior decades regarding Cap, especially the books that released around the time of the Watergate scandal. You may be very surprised by what you find. I would also highly recommend the Captain America and the Falcon books from the 70s
...I didn't feel that. Considering how many conflicts in the MCU are caused by evil politicians. Not to mention the first two iron Man movies seem unapologetically libertarian to me ("I have privatized world peace")
I don't think making a superhero movie political is necessarily the recipe for success. I think it comes down to HOW the writers sneak the message into the story. Absolutely nobody likes being told what they should think. Having a message shoved down your throat isn't entertaining. Buttttt when the message is well-incorporated into the themes, character arcs and defining plot points, it becomes powerful. _Especially_ if it's written in such a way that you get to make up your own mind.
You say that, and yet God Loves Man Kills is highly regarded as one of the best comic books ever made, to say nothing of Watchmen. And no, neither of these are subtle, and both focus infinitely more on telling their message than on any aspect of storytelling.
I absolutely adore this movie. When I saw it I was overwhelmed by how much I loved it. Gwen’s story in particular spoke to me as a Trans Woman. I’m generally not much of a fan of Superhero movies, more often than not I tend to be underwhelmed by them, That said I love superhero Comics and Cartoons and like yourself I’m a huge fan of the X-Men and am very wary of how the MCU will handle them. This movie embodied for me everything I love about Marvel Comics from the humanity of the characters, the gorgeous and breathtaking Art, the world that’s simultaneously grounded and fantastic, to the transgressive quality that in its political and thematic messaging world building and even its narrative construction. It reminds me so much of the marvel comics from the 60s-80s that were always shaking up the idea of what could be done in a superhero comic. The whole film can be summed up by a speech Steve Rogers gave In Captain America #130 “There’s nothing sacred about the status quo - and there never will be”. Miles’s stand against Canon and the systems it represents is so wonderfully poignant in a world that trying to beat us down and make us conform every day for just being who we are, “ Nah I’ll do it my own way” That aspect of the film is what made it for me, that transgressive take felt so fresh and so true to its source material and source medium in way that other superhero films especially live action ones don’t. The MCU is so bland by comparison, the lack of bite or even true humanity in its films leaves me unable to really remember them or care. But this and other animated superhero projects like X-Men 97 or My adventures with Superman have given me hope for this genre.
Also don’t mean to imply there aren’t great and inventive comics coming today or since the 80s from marvel there totally are and have been. To name a few in the last few years there’s the Krakoa era of the X-men, Immortal Hulk, the current Ultimate Spider-man, the Original Ultimate Spider-Man, Ms. Marvel 2014, Gwenpool, Jason Aaron’s Thor, Alias, Spider-man Life story are just some of the many other great books that have come out in the last 20 years to today. I specifically refer to that era as that’s where a bulk of my reading has been but also because these were times where the industry began to rapidly evolve creatively after the CCA was implemented.
So huge of you to use your platform for activism. Such an important message to share, too. Major respect earned right now. Great job on the video too. It looks great and helped open my eyes to some things I didn't even see when watching the movie. Thank you.
I don’t know that more political messaging is necessary in the media in general and especially it in movies. The beautiful thing about this movie and its message is that it’s Al vaguely tied together. Gwen as far as we know is a heterosexual and cis gendered woman but her struggle is similar to that of queer people. Isn’t that what we are missing from that debate? That we all have struggles as that ones you strip away the labels and filters they are all the same. I think defining the messages that are being presented in the movie as being for one demographic or another only creates more division. This kind of hammering of messages is also what spurs opposition and makes people not want to listen. It’s a key component of a persuasive narrative. If they are too overbearing people throw their guard up and often refuse to change but when you draw connections between struggles they begin to consider the similarities and if they don’t align their beliefs the do still respect the beliefs of others. Against this movie accomplishes this rather well and I think it’s because they focused on the narrative and message RATHER than focusing on politics like so many other movies today.
The entire movie's conceit is political, as it's there to humiliate people who hate Miles for political reasons. Further, you can't reach people who argue against basic human rights in the first place.
@@Peasham they don’t hate miles for political reasons at all. Also stating you can reach people who argue against human rights is both defeatist and untrue. If that were the case we would not have made the progress we have in recent decades or even centuries. Yes sometimes you fight for them but in recent history it’s been far more common to persuade people.
@@Peasham did people die for women to get the right to vote? Did people die for homosexual marriage to be legalized? Both are examples of things changing in a civil manner. Do people still disagree? Yes but not enough to turn to violence in most cases. (Select cases are exceptions to the rule and offer very little data on society as a hole). Also miles is disliked because he is “not Canon” not because he’s black. Sure you can argue that they have a “in universe political agenda of maintaining the canon” but that doesn’t support the original videos claim that we should have more political movies/heros. If they hated him for being black than hobie would be discriminated against too, and Miguel ojera is also a minority and he’s the main villain. So in what way is miles opposed in a political way?
@@Ghost-Toast819 Yes, both of those groups had thousands dead in the ground before actual change happened and both of those groups had used violence to have change happened. The suffragettes and stonewall were the opposite of peaceful. Also uh.. no, Miles is canon, that has nothing to do with anything. What Miguel says to Miles when insulting him is partly why people hate him, and the "canonicity" concerns the fact that Miles is different to other Spider-Men, not that he's non-canon.
Fantastic work on the analysis! You really captured some of the reasons I resonated with this film so much, and I've generally loved how much love people are giving ATSV as it sets itself apart from the genre. Great job!
I loved your point about the film speaking directly to young people today... We all have great power in the age of the internet and mass media, and it's our duty to weild it responsibly. You're very much doing your part in this respect, keep it up! 💖🙏
@@KalebPeters99 I am a comic book and superhero dork. And I find it difficult to see drama, documentary, and romcom writers bringing their cynicism to escapism culture... And then wonder why they fail on all platforms. Xavier and Magneto were good friends. Not lovers. And Jubilee needs to grow her powers not lure and groom teen into the xxx-men. And man... What did they do to Morph🥺
Its so amazing to watch a film that hits me as a hopeful but impassioned answer to the stuggles of real life, and give me more to take home with me! Spiderverse and Everything Everywhere felt close to home and gave me a new perspective
They’ll look for anything. In LOTR, the men of the West have to remove monsters and less civilized men, along with restoring the Gondorian Monarchy, everything that liberals hate.
@@Peasham Why would you think that?Anyone can be a hero, no matter their race, sex, religion or political affiliation, that’s the entire point of a hero 🤦♂️
Love this video!! Your analysis helped me to put a lot of my thoughts on the movie into words. It really connected aspects of the movie that I was thinking about. -I also wanted to add that I view Hobie almost like a more matured Miles. Outwardly on the side of rebellion and radical action. I’m really excited to see more of Hobie in the next one!!!
...there's a joke somewhere in here about the irony of a jewish person talking up a genocidal jewish superhero who believes that he and his ilk are the masterrace and that all humans should die.
Oh man Magneto is so cool...!! The x-men in general make me question if any of the annoying "I don't want politics in my comics" crowd have actually touched a comic in their lives or if they're just posers lol
But Magneto is supposed to, ironically, be a mutant with Hitler's idelogy. The point of his character is to show how the oppressed can become oppressors.
Eh I perfer escapism we already have a lot of films with identity politics whats Important is character and making them feel human idc what their social political views are.
Its kind of sad to me to go and watch superhero movies in part because I grew up with the comics, and was taught to analyze the political and philosophical messages behind them. Watching the films it feels like they forego those messages and themes for the sake of a sanitized product that can be capitalized on. The spider-verse films are the first ones in a long time that I 've felt like they returned to those messages that can be found in the comics, just in a modern way.
I feel like the average person rn is a bit too dumb to deserve subtext tbh, like you could literally spell out a message and it'd still fly over their heads
Is the subtext or allegory better or worse than just telling the message outright? Is Gwen's story about being kicked out of home a better way to point out what people go through, or would just having an LGBT person kicked out of home for being gay be more meaningful and productive?
@@erictrobin nah im talking about trying to force real world politics into movies will make it bad shit like the hunger games and other movies like that are great
I love these films so much. I don't really do "favorites," but if I did, these would easily be among them. The first was already great, and the 2nd just levels up in every way. Im sad that I've already watched it so many times. I can't wait for the 3rd... but I will, very patiently, because this kind of greatness takes time.
I was literally laughing to myself when I came out of the theater. I kept thinking, "This is the best movie experience I've ever had." Nothing has topped it since.
as a latino I personally never cared about miles' race, and I bet there were people who hated him because of it but let's not forget he was conceived in the raceswap era of marvel and his comics, in case anyone haven't read them, are a pile of burning trash like most marevl comics of that era. Now miles thanks to spider-verse Miles is a proper character, and a really good one, if people hate the spider-verse version of him, yeah, I can't think of other reason other than justt racism. But again, his first comic iteration deserves all the criticism it got, the movies saved the character.
@@Peasham so what. I'm specifically refering to that certain era in which that was the only thing they could do while writing the worst stories imaginable
im reading authority/stormwatch and i agree the comic that start off the whole "realistic superheroes" in all the mcu, the boys etc 2:25 that was the real great moments in the comic whenever they deconstructed that casual acceptance of the military the superheroes always did
To provide some context, I think many early superheores were cool with the military because at the time World War 2 was starting up or already happening, and soldiers were seen as heroes battling the Nazis. While in the comics, many characters like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and even Captain America, moved away from this military association in some form or another, because American culture never really lost its appetite for war movies and “hero soldier” stories, much of that militarism reappeared in a few of their movie adaptations
As a history buff and a nerdy politics kid heading into high school, I have always thought of and even drawed some Poltical superhero characters that I just love! Maybe someone else does the same? No one problem does but maybe..?♥️🙏
exactly what i thought. please make a part 2 on this if u have anymore to say. picking up a miles morales comic back in 2011-12 will always be a canon event for me 🖤
This film has changed my life for the better. Before this film I had always been confused about who i am and everything that comes with but watching this film and seeing the scene with Gwen and her father helped me understand who I am as up until that point I’d never felt like i related to a character more than I did at that moment.
The most successful and praised superhero stories of all time are extremely political. The most successful and praised Marvel product in a half decade, X-Men 97, is extremely and unsubtly political.
@@Peasham I don’t give a fuck about X-Men 97. My favorite Superhero movies are the Raimi Spider-Man movies and those weren’t political, at least in any overt way. Superhero movies are the quintessential escapist genre, I don’t mind political subtext like in The Dark Knight or X Men, but it shouldn’t be anywhere near the main focus. If I wanted a political movie, I’d watch something by made by an Auteur like Michael Haneke or someone like that.
@@Peasham I mean it’s not subtle, but it’s also not in your face to the point of being annoying. And on the second point, if we’re talking about movies than I’d probably say something like Dr Strangelove or Do the Right Thing or The White Ribbon are more overtly political. Not to say they aren’t still using subtext, but they’re just much more fundamentally political films than even something like an X-Men film, which has political themes but is still much more focused on escapist entertainment. At least that’s how I view it.
A pretty consistent theme in all of The Gerosha Chronicles: The worship of self is a root unto almost all evils imaginable. Combine that with political power, and you have a recipe for madness. Gerosha Chronicles heroes, especially Ciem, fight a lot of different adversaries. But the most persistent antagonist that they can never seem to defeat easily, is the self-absorbed, corrupt politician or bureaucrat, as well as any orthonoid sheep that support said politician or bureaucrat. Blind worship of the state is the fuel of the fire to most human evils, and is the poison of the Dark Thrones and Principalities in the soul of all the human race. It's more dangerous than any shallow supervillain-of-the-week. No matter how many monsters Ciem puts down, her political enemies always prove a greater danger. They don't hate her because she's woman, or because she's half-black and half-white. They hate her because she's quasi-trad. They hate her for wanting to settle down, start a family, start a homestead, and be self-sufficient, and be left alone. They don't hate her entire family because they're mutants or what-not. They hate her family, because her mother frustrated the efforts of some sexual predators trying to infiltrate the education system to gain access to children faster. So they murdered Candi's mother, and made posthaste to undo Shalia's legacy, then decided to try to kill Candi as an additional form of revenge-by-proxy. And the end result of them hating God, is that they love death - especially death brought about by sexual perversions, especially committed against children. Thus, with sensuality and pride being the foundations of atheism, all rebels against God eventually risk succumbing to the urge to define themselves entirely around nihilistic hedonism. Defeating that entire worldview becomes a moral imperative that challenges Candi more than any supervillain alone ever could. And she faces it knowing full well it's a fight she can't hope to win on her own - and that many others, with or without powers, also have to fight. So it's not only political, it's spiritual / religious in its implications!
But ofc since the poster of the video doesn't agree with that ur not getting hearted. Hell I don't agree with all of it but I should still hear u out right.
Gwen formed a band of the gang as a spider rebellion to save the multiverse a better way as they set off to find Miles they all care for him which is more important
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 Right wingers and their ideology demand society be returned to an imagine golden past, with said golden past meaning the rolling back of societal progress, a right wing superhero would therefore fight against the progress of society and for its regression.
From what I’ve seen of X-Men 97’ it’s great, once I get around to finishing the show I’ll definitely consider it! If not, then I’m sure an X-Men video of some type will come out on here eventually since they are my favs
I wish Batman fans would take to heart the lessons in this movie. You'd think there's only one acceptable version of Batman or his villians(Joker) and it's incredibly frustrating. As a lifelong comic fan I've always been open minded about all of the various ways to interpret these characters. I absolutely love Into The Spider Spiderverse for tackling that subject head on.
Very refreshing to finally see a video that isn't about the beef, Istg my feed is just filled with drake and kendrick stuff. Edit: Just finished the video, amazing analysis, I thought the reason why I watched this film a bit too many times was because I love the animation and production value. But through the lens of this video I saw that this movie was written in a way that resonates to a lot of people in some shape or form. So maybe that's why I keep coming back to the spiderverse movies.
A recommendation I have if you enjoy Spider-Verse is Shin Kamen Rider. It’s a zany and powerful Japanese superhero film about processing trauma and rejection. It’s available on Prime, and I think it’s one of the best superhero films, and another great superhero film of 2023! It got me into Kamen Rider, which has itself as a franchise opened my eyes to a fresh side of the superhero genre that most western comic movies don’t usually tap into.
Also Drive handles corruption in the police force pretty damn good. The original Black also, even if unintended, kind of works as a queer allegory? After Kotaro becomes Kamen Rider Black, no matter how much he wants to save his brother and be a family again, his brother has made up his mind and will continue to hate him and refuses to call him his brother again.
You're playing a dangerous game with the title 💀 Great video, though. Very well made and researched. This enlightened me to some of the deeper meanings of the film.
My main issue with the whole miles vs miguel thing is that nothing REALLY justifies miles' rebellion. The characters dont know that miguel's theory for the canon is potentially wrong. so miles' only reason for disobeying is an act of childish desperation. Its a fruitless lose-lose effort. They had to make miguel uncharacteristically abusive to justify vilifying him. I'd be more on miles' side if he KNEW something was up with the theory of canon events. But NO ONE has any reason to doubt the canon events until gwen at the very end. if they were going for a "you can defy your destiny no one can dictate your story but you" thing it doesnt really work because the "destiny" has extra stipulations. This isnt a "bad things will happen to you in the future" thing that the character can defy its a "bad things will happen to you in the future and if you stop it EVERYONE will die" thing which is very different. The difference between these two is that in the typical destiny defying story theres no direct consequence for defying your destiny. the character just does it out of sheer willpower. with miles there is a confirmed consequence (at least as far as they know) for breaking the canon. which is the death of the multiverse. and miguel's side has more evidence to prove it. and i dont know if thats a fault of the storytelling or a me thing. Considering i'm the only one who feels this way its probably a me thing. and if the narrative tells us miguel is wrong then miguel is wrong. I just feel like its very hard to root for miles in this scenario :/ like yeah i can empathize with him wanting to save his dad but there actually is nothing he can do because his dad will die either way. There ISNT "another way" (that they know of). So basically miles is just taking a desperate gamble. like i said i would empathize wayyy more if miles knew something that the other spider people didnt. but the only reason he rebelled is because he's immature and highly emotional. Miles legit has no idea what he's even doing. He doesnt KNOW anything he's just throwing a childish tantrum when he doesnt get his way. im sorry miles but as far as you know there's nothing you can do. and its noble to WANT there to be a solution but as much as you want one, there isn't. Like it IS for his own good and everyone's good. miles rebelling is like if miguel told him he has to get vaccinated or if he doesnt he and everyone he loves will get sick and miles being like 'nO! I wont listen to some dumb books there has to be another way!" and dont even get me started on the other characters. Peter doesnt take anything seriously even though the multiverse is at stake, hobie rebels for the hell of it even though he's potentially putting the multiverse is at stake. and dont even get me started on miles being angry at gwen and peter. i dont really see that as betrayal especially since they had his best interest in mind. They didnt LIE they just didnt tell him info. Info that mind you is extremely earth shattering knowledge like how tf could you know how to tell someone that. I hope this is all cleared up in beyond the spiderverse because i loves miles but i dont like how he was portrayed here. this issue frustrates me and the fact im the only one who feels this way only adds to it. I've talked about this to many of my friends and many people and no one is yet to be able to put the final piece in to make me understand. I think its because i'm personally overthinking and most people are taking "miguel is obviously the bad guy" at face value and thats enough justification for them
I know not everyone liked the later seasons, but Young Justice was always high intensity on that Human trafficking, political espionage, but mixed in with therapy, flawed people trying to go through it all, its not just vague metaphors its real life with metaphors on top to enhance it even more, and with the hope and fantasy of such a world
I usually avoid politics, i dont know I just usually just see people just yell at each other then actually talking to each other. Sometimes tho I do choose to listen different viewpoints of current issues and make my own thoughts internally. I was hesitant to listen to this because I love Spider-Man, I didn't think he is a political character or Spider-verse's message of "anyone can wear the mask or you don't have to be part of a status quo" was a political message. I generally believe that anyone can be a great hero like Spider-Man, even in their own unique ways. Glad I chose to listen to this, got me thinking for a while after finishing this video 👍
@@Peasham nowadays people would want to see your live destroyed, just because of your politics, not sure if that’s what the world and movie industry should focus on
@@HunterXHunterLover4 "Nowadays" lmaoo back in my day if you were any flavor of LGBTQ+ you'd have gotten lynched and god forbid you were an outspoken minority or an atheist, you have no idea what you're talking about
Thank you! I got a few comments like this and I will say I remembered the parts of Iron Man 2 where he was getting drunk but I just meant to say that story wasn’t fully covered in the film, it was more a momentary thing that was brushed off and never given it’s proper coverage. Happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
As someone whos very ideologically punk.... I dont mind giving money to movies that actively have a message against conformity and preach resistance. Now superheroes movies have become so hollow that their whole purpose is just to generate the most money with the least creativity as possible. But spiderverse was so different and as a punk artist, I appreciate it. However, I still condemn the studios exploitation of their workers, the fans need to start upholding the voices of those workers so their testimonies of injustice are heard. I do want another spiderverse, but I dont want the movie if it means exploitating more people.
i would be fine with the more political themes and stories if it wasn’t all far left bullshit or DNC propaganda. i agree there needs to be more themes and topics explored (and not just from a right wing perspective), but the current trend with “subversive politics” really just being a branch of left wing politics is getting out of hand
The Spiderman Spiderverse series is definitely one of my favorite trilogies so far. Miles is a fantastic protagonist and I love his story arc so far. That said, I really appreciate the niche Hobie fills as well. His character is so well written to be the background support. Everything he does, particularly in front of Miles, is done with intention and Miles is smart enough that when it becomes relevant, he figures out what Hobie was trying to tell him. A character that comes from a world where the fascists win and has had to learn more oblique ways to fight back is invaluable to Miles' story, and is a good lesson for the rest of us. We can't always be the person fighting directly, but we /can/ support those who are, whether giving advice borne of experience or providing physical support.
A man can run away from his duty but never from his conscience which miles was under this situation while in earth 42 saying if he doesn't get home his father will be gone even in fact he lied to his mother as he explained to Aaron that wasn't the prowler that he doesn't belong there and the spider wasn't supposed to give him powers but someone else is up for miles to decide if the rules or a drowning bird is more important when a bird is drowning you never had to worry about who the water belonged to
That actually exists, but hear me out It’s called Hulk 2003. Yes, the Ang Lee movie. It is sincerely the only film take on the Hulk at this point to tackle these themes
@@ExtinctClanHead yeah I know people say it’s bad, and it does have its issues, but it’s the only Hulk movie to deal with these themes, and part of the initial backlash to it was people being upset that it wasn’t more of an action movie
It isn't a bad movie, it just took its time to establish the setting, and I think that put off all the people who wanted two solid hours of Hulk smashing things.
This video in its entirety was so pleasantly surprising. This type of commentary and discussion is a bit uncommon in the comic book movie sphere, where political commentary of this fashion is so readily shut down. There is so much glorified "subtlety" that I feel is many times performative and surface level, its so heartwarming to see a creator who dives into the ins and outs of the work with attention and care, while grounding each comment in reality, there's is not a more beautiful example of that than you using your platform to share to your audience a plea for Palestine. Instant subscriber, love the content, love the creator, looking forward to more.
The only problem I have with the movie is seeing the HEAVILY PREGNANT LADY being thrown into battle and waggled around like- MISS ¡YOU ARE PREGNANT! GET OFF FROM THAT BIKE AND GO HOME! TAKE A BREAK FOR THE SAKE OF THAT BABY T0T
@@Peasham lol yeah. But I don't know if it is because my mother instincts skyrocketed when I saw the pregnant lady jumping around on a friking motorcycle and getting tossed around as if she wasn't pregnant. But I'm worried by that baby. XD
Ive only see a small bit of it, and desperately want to finish the show, but from what I’ve seen it was wonderful and definitely tapped into the X-Men’s political undertones
@@makingmediamatter except when they whitewashed sunspot. again. and continued the long trend of a superhero team inspired by the civil rights and black struggle starring 99% white people and everyone else is a secondary supporting character at best.
I can't tell you how many people I've seen miss the point entirely. So many god damned Miguel supporters, that it makes me wonder if they even saw the film-- if they even saw the 'Nah, I'mma do my own thing' scene...
I have, and many others have to. The problem with supporting Miles is supporting him wanting to possibly destroy a whole universe full of people just for his dad. When fighting against the system harms more people than it helps, is it a good fight?
A big issue I've had with most marvel (or other blockbuster superhero films) is that they feel they no longer capture any humans in their film. The films feel corporate in nature and watching them just reeks of that corporate control on a narrative.
For me, Spiderman has always represented just any person who also has super powers, they're no billionaire, they're not in a giant superhero team, they are just a person.
Couldn’t agree with this more!
He also happens to be a genius
I don't like seeing people make these sweeping generalizations about "modern Marvel" because you don't need to go that far back to see great Marvel media like Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 3, X-Men '97, Loki, and more. There's still almost one excellent MCU or MCU-adjacent project that comes out each year.
That first sentence should get so much attention. This shitshow summarizes itself whenever two characters in completely black and white "good" and "bad" boxes, both hegemonically beautiful more often than not, throw punches and blasts that level buildings and crunch animators, coming out of it without even as much as a hair out of place, a drop of blood, a smear of dust on their attires. Then, you are not watching humans. Every aspect of it makes it what it is
Thank you for putting into words why Spider-Man is my favorite superhero, who has somehow become even more of a hero to me the older I get, and not because he can climb walls, swing from webs, and stop trains.
That is something I simply couldn’t put into words myself.
My favorite Lines from this Movie are, and always have been: Gwen: "It's for your own good" Miles: "WHO DECIDES THAT!?"
It's subtle and gets lost since Miguel berates Miles right after but encompasses the struggle people who are different (and choose to wear that difference) have to face philosophically, while choosing to be empathetic. "I'm listening to you, but it feels like you aren't listening to me. I'm willing to be convinced or have my mind changed but you won't tell me "Why". Only "What" you think is right."
It's a powerful question with few real answers. Communication is only key when Understanding is present.
Beautifully said
Honestly super well said! I feel this. People will say this about queer people constantly. “You don’t know yourself” as if my own life wasn’t my own proof.
i think another point to add is hobie’s involvement in the story. i forgot the name of the youtuber, but there was a video named “when a deep character pretends to be shallow” or something like that and it breaks down how hobie goes against the spider society. though he doesn’t believe in labels, hobie’s an anarchist and in his introduction, he lists all the systems and practices he opposes, but also jokes around, painting him as an unserious character and one that’s in miles’ way. however, he never goes against miles and actually praises and uplifts miles during his highs and when he breaks canon. then, when the team goes to the spider society, hobie tries warning miles about the oppressive and inhumane nature of the society (the “go home” machine, telling miles he doesn’t need to be a part of the society to “fit in,” telling him to not join without fully understanding what the society’s about, and telling him to use his hands and not just his palms to escape the holding miguel puts him in). he knows the system’s going to get turned upside down with miles’ introduction to miguel and sees the writing on the wall. hobie does everything he can to help miles because he knows he wouldn’t be accepted because of his differences and just doesn’t believe the society is just. this is why we all love hobie and why he’s one of the best spidermen. great video 👍🏾
Correct me if i'm wrong but are you thinking of Schnee?
@@leroyjenkins3840 that exactly who it was. thank you 🙏🏾
@@justmickey142
Schnee just published another video for the first anniversary of _Across_ that is all about Gwen and it is mind-blowing good.
@@leroyjenkins3840 Schnee is so incredibly insightful
I cannot begin to express how awesome it is to have positive anarchist representation in a piece of mass media.
One thing I really like about Gwen’s arc in this story is that there are more complex reasons given as to WHY Gwen has joined Miguel’s system. In most superhero movies, a character joins a villainous or antagonistic organization because THEY themselves BELIEVE in the cause of these villains. In this way, antagonists are clearly painted as “evil” so the good characters can oppose them in a simple, binaristic way. Gwen, however, is not really “drinking the Kool aid” of Miguel’s whole system. It’s clear she has doubts, but the main reason why she stays is because she has no where else to go. In most of Across the Spiderverse, we cannot forget the fact that Gwen is literally homeless after having run away from her home universe and deciding to join Miguel and supposedly live in his home universe. She sides with his system because it was the one thing that was able to provide her a home and security after the trauma of having to run away from a parent that had literally threatened violence to her in their last interaction. This is why seeing queer subtext in Gwen’s character was such a common thing amongst audiences, she has to grapple with the very common reality homelessness while still having to maintain the courage to challenge the system that could be providing her any kind of safety net or home in the first place.
I think she also is enthralled with the idea of FATE that Miguel clings to with his Canonverse stuff. Imagine having the weight of the world on your shoulders after losing your best friend and maybe losing your father, and someone else comes along and tells you it was fate that killed him, that you couldn't have saved him no matter what.....he instantly lifted all that guilt from her.
Gwen's story in the film reminds weirdly about a person being dragged into a cult. She's at her lowest point, desperate for meaning and with nowhere to go, then someone presents her all this rhetoric about how her struggles are just meant to be, and it's best for everyone if it's this way.
The whole Spider Society feels like a cult, really. Especially with the way that Miguel publicly berates and isolates first Miles, then Gwen, while re-asserting his position.
I remember watching this in theatres and being unable to stop thinking abt it for a week
me but for a year atp 😭🙏🏽
same but for me it was like 6 months 💀
Fucking love spiderverse especially as a young black man that wished to have a hero like miles on the big screen when I was a kid
And the fact is not just a black spiderman but his real own character is MUCH better
Feel that but kinda on the other side. I wish I had Puerto Rican men to look up to in the big name stuff but now that people have it now like you do its amazing :)
Boy do I have news for you. Miles is also Puerto Rican. @@coolestbean24
@@coolestbean24 isnt spiderman 2099 puerto rican or am i mistaken
@@calebsolonas6085 miguel is mexican and irish. they emphasized his latino roots in spiderverse(which is a good idea to me). miles and his -fine ass- ma are puerto rican.
Miles is genuinely one of the best superheroes to exist in a hot minute. Spiderverse is immensely passionate and I'm extremely happy and thankful it even exists in this raw fashion.
There’s actually been something that came out very recently that reinforces the point of this video; X-Men ‘97. And it is the best thing Marvel Studios/Marvel Animation has put out in a very long time. It doesn’t shy away from any of the political themes of the original show, and instead doubles down and really challenges the characters and their ideals against the world at large. It literally moved me to tears.
It also worries me for when mcu marvel does the x-men because I doubt they will let them get so real and so political
@@Doomsword0 True. But even if that's the case, I'm glad that we got the real X-Men back in animation.
@@Numbskill absolutely!
It is a shame that majority of current superhero media in film are so scared of being a little subversive, especially when some of the greatest stories from comics came from addressing real-world problems and seeing how characters respond to it. I feel like X-Men 97 really captured that, and I loved that they kept the beating heart of what they stand for very clear. Great video!
The MCU unironically saying that Tony was right when he said the world needed to be a police state ran by superheroes was always morbidly hilarious.
Do you have proof that they are though?
How could you even prove such a claim?
@@channel45853 I mean, the proof is that the movies aren't subversive and don't deal with real world problems lol
We were able to be a little subversive back then because people were mature back then and can handle political conversations. Now, the politics today is too toxic and unhealthy for anyone to deal with. I say NO to political superheroes. It's not that I dislike politics in entertainment, it's that people cannot handle it or even do it properly.
X Men 97 really feels like the first thing in a long while out of Marvel Studios to feel like it is ABOUT something. I haven't watched anything out of Disney Marvel with this much political subtext since Black Panther, it's honestly such a breath of fresh air.
Definitely the right choice to remake the title and thumbnail. Saw it at first and kind of skipped it for later but with this one i clicked it immediately
Biggest thing I’ve learned about UA-cam is when something isn’t working, change it! Happy to hear this thumbnail clicked with you
What was it before?
@@books2438 the thumbnail before wais the same words on rhe thumbnail now expect with gwen stacy
@@Rahimahah Huh, weird this one has such a different impact then
Miles iin Spider-verse: Absolute king
Miles in the Insomniac games: Goober
He is a king AND a goober
He is both
He's SUPER based on his debut game. What he learns throughout the story really got to me
@@crangejo I really like his subplots in the second game as well, but I think the main story doesn’t give him much to do unfortunately
With great King, Comes great Goober.
One of the biggest things lost with the whole "multiverse" kick superhero films have been on recently is that they cycle out the fighting of social injustices with big explosions and ridiculous action sequences. Spider-Verse shows that you can do both at the same time, have a crazy action movie with extreme themes that are practically in your face
Remember when multiverse stories were “go to the universe where authoritarianism won and punch it in the face”? I miss stuff like that
@@Cdr2002 not every superhero story should do the same thing with the same concepts. If you want that, then why not go and play Injustice 1 and 2? Or read those comics?
@@channel45853 I hate injustice because those stories are more about being edgy and making familiar heroes evil and killing off characters gratuitously. I wasn’t saying every superhero story should be the same, what I was trying to articulate is that there was a time where the multiverse was not necessarily the antithesis to deeper themes as it’s seen as now, something SpiderVerse itself is proof of, and I used one archetype of story as an example
Both soundtracks of Into and Across have been FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I'm so excited for the soundtrack for BTSV.
yeah like the level of artistic expression and beauty is just integral throughout
Kind of disappointed you didn’t talk about Hobie Brown, Spider Punk, at all, considering he’s an explicitly political character based on a political subculture. He reinforces a lot of the themes of the movie, and serves as the more experienced activist helping the new generation find their footing and start their own fight against the system.
As a white, straight, cisgender male, who grew up middle class, the entirety of this video (as well as both Into and Across the Spider-Verse) resonates with me on a very personal level.
I remember a year ago when I watched Across the Spider-Verse in theaters with my dad, and how I got a crazy amount of goosebumps at Miles’ “everyone keeps telling me what I’m ‘supposed’ to be! Nah, imma do my own thing” sequence in the film.
For so long, I have felt like society, my family, my peers, friends, girlfriends, and even complete strangers have been trying to tell me what I should be or do with my life. No, I’m not going to drop out of college to chase some crazy dreams, because I don’t have any of those, but I have dropped out of 2 semesters of college now, because of anxiety and depression I was diagnosed with, thanks to a world that continues to beat me down, right after I feel like I have accomplished something great.
I am a Christian, and I do believe strongly in a God who is real and loves all of us here on earth, no matter what kind of lives we lead. But even if I do believe He has a plan for me, I still feel like sometimes there’s something “wrong” with me because I don’t “fit” into His plan.
And I’m not saying I know better than Him (I have never nor would ever claim so) but I know now that He doesn’t want me to “fit perfectly” into anything; because I’m not a puzzle piece, I’m a human being.
All of this being said, even if I do work up the courage to say “nah, imma do my own thing” I still feel like Miles does when all the people he thought he could trust turn against him, when Gwen, someone he genuinely believed in and trusted and was in love with and (probably) loved, lied to him. When he lands in the wrong universe, and nothing is as it’s supposed to be.
But every now and then, thanks to a rallying pep talk from my mom (similar to Rio’s “little boy to little man” pep talk in the first act) or someone believing in my VERY unconventional way of doing things (like how Peter B. loves Miles for his individuality when it comes to being Spider-Man) or if it’s trying to balance responsibility and power and/or fun, while always trying to look on the bright side, mostly with my very awkward sense of humor (“unless you bake two cakes” or “well… there’s a first time for everything, right?”) something helps me to *always get back up.*
And that something is how, at the end of the day, like Gwen, I can be myself, and accept myself for who I am, even if others or society or even my own family may be against me, and still mend/fix/heal those relationships I have with my family; both those who I didn’t choose, and those who I *do* choose.
I have hope, that like Miles, I can say “nah, imma do my own thing”, and those who truly love me will stand by my side. And my mistakes, how I’ve been hurt, etc., will never change who I am, just like how nothing will ever be able to change that *Miles IS SPIDER-MAN*
Thank you for this video. And thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
We need more stories as unapologetic as Superman Smashes the Klan
Watching itsv in theatres at 9 years old will always be something I consider a huge moment in my life. I've rewatched it multiple times a year since, it means so much to me.
I wasn't able to watch atsv in theaters, but when I was finally able to watch it a few months later, ive rewatched THAT movie at least 5 times since.
Spider-Man has always been woke, except for that weird Ayn Rand phase Peter went through but theres a reason nobody talks about that.
Lollll yes the Ayn Rand Peter arc was crazy I forgot about that
I've never heard of the Ayn Rand Peter arc but it sounds like the type of story that would be adapted if we ever got a "Zack Snyder's: Spider-Man"
@immanuel7925, yes this! I feel the same about trying to pretend Sue Storm has always been a strong, independent, fearless, serious woman. We can have a submissive woman learn to stand on her own two feet. That can and does happen
@immanuel7925 don't recall if it was exactly like that, but those ideas are what makes me love Spectacular Spidey so much, I consider it the best adaptation of Peter Parker. At a lot of moments, he's just flawed, even shitty, authentically a teenager in those aspects. His maturing throughout the episodes, sometimes even revisiting specific growth from previous episodes (I'm envisioning the "antidote" thing), are what make me respect his character SO much on that one
Jon Favreau wanted to do alcoholic Iron Man, but RDJ’s wife said no because she was afraid he might relapse
Your channel definitely deserves more recognition, I always love your perspective and analysis on media
Amazing video. I feel like the MCU, the avengers specifically, has a very pro authority undertone. As I've grown up more I've actually leaned more towards the X-Men and the Justice League, people who were not brought together through government for a supersoldier authority, but all individually chose to do good coming together to support each other, with both teams having very openly pushed against authority and fight for the rights of those who are left behind by political figures.
What I find kind of interesting that there was a time where the Avengers, including Captain America himself, were very anti-authority. Steve Rogers broke away from the US government, eventually reclaimed his mantle that they took legal ownership of, and self-sanctioned the parole of three former criminals as members of the Avengers. I think the push to bring the team more in line with answering to an authoritative body (Civil War comic, the Ultimates, MCU for the most part) has been a response to 9/11 and the increase of patriotism/nationalism and rallying towards this country’s authoritative bodies rather than away from them that we saw happen a lot after the attacks. The Avengers as I see it are still seeing the affects of that. I definitely recommend their books from the 60s-90s. You might find something closer to what you get out of the X-Men and Justice League, who I love as well don’t get me wrong
@@Cdr2002 Thank you so much for the recommendations! I'm definitely going to look up these plotlines more! 💕
I knew very early Captain America had a different tone but it's been hard with the popularity of the MCU to find and talk about more of these comics.
@@NealaBeala I would again skew to prior decades regarding Cap, especially the books that released around the time of the Watergate scandal. You may be very surprised by what you find. I would also highly recommend the Captain America and the Falcon books from the 70s
...I didn't feel that. Considering how many conflicts in the MCU are caused by evil politicians. Not to mention the first two iron Man movies seem unapologetically libertarian to me ("I have privatized world peace")
Naaah, I think we are good.
Spider verse analysis videos are always top class. There’s just so much to talk about and dig into. Also I love the chill intro.
I don't think making a superhero movie political is necessarily the recipe for success. I think it comes down to HOW the writers sneak the message into the story. Absolutely nobody likes being told what they should think. Having a message shoved down your throat isn't entertaining. Buttttt when the message is well-incorporated into the themes, character arcs and defining plot points, it becomes powerful. _Especially_ if it's written in such a way that you get to make up your own mind.
You say that, and yet God Loves Man Kills is highly regarded as one of the best comic books ever made, to say nothing of Watchmen.
And no, neither of these are subtle, and both focus infinitely more on telling their message than on any aspect of storytelling.
I love your analysis of this film! It really goes to show how good art can be when handled with care and thought
I absolutely adore this movie. When I saw it I was overwhelmed by how much I loved it. Gwen’s story in particular spoke to me as a Trans Woman. I’m generally not much of a fan of Superhero movies, more often than not I tend to be underwhelmed by them, That said I love superhero Comics and Cartoons and like yourself I’m a huge fan of the X-Men and am very wary of how the MCU will handle them.
This movie embodied for me everything I love about Marvel Comics from the humanity of the characters, the gorgeous and breathtaking Art, the world that’s simultaneously grounded and fantastic, to the transgressive quality that in its political and thematic messaging world building and even its narrative construction.
It reminds me so much of the marvel comics from the 60s-80s that were always shaking up the idea of what could be done in a superhero comic.
The whole film can be summed up by a speech Steve Rogers gave In Captain America #130 “There’s nothing sacred about the status quo - and there never will be”. Miles’s stand against Canon and the systems it represents is so wonderfully poignant in a world that trying to beat us down and make us conform every day for just being who we are, “ Nah I’ll do it my own way”
That aspect of the film is what made it for me, that transgressive take felt so fresh and so true to its source material and source medium in way that other superhero films especially live action ones don’t. The MCU is so bland by comparison, the lack of bite or even true humanity in its films leaves me unable to really remember them or care.
But this and other animated superhero projects like X-Men 97 or My adventures with Superman have given me hope for this genre.
Also don’t mean to imply there aren’t great and inventive comics coming today or since the 80s from marvel there totally are and have been. To name a few in the last few years there’s the Krakoa era of the X-men, Immortal Hulk, the current Ultimate Spider-man, the Original Ultimate Spider-Man, Ms. Marvel 2014, Gwenpool, Jason Aaron’s Thor, Alias, Spider-man Life story are just some of the many other great books that have come out in the last 20 years to today. I specifically refer to that era as that’s where a bulk of my reading has been but also because these were times where the industry began to rapidly evolve creatively after the CCA was implemented.
Continued from above Particularly in comparison to the generally safer and more corporate DC comics of the era.
So huge of you to use your platform for activism. Such an important message to share, too. Major respect earned right now.
Great job on the video too. It looks great and helped open my eyes to some things I didn't even see when watching the movie. Thank you.
Israel needs help not Palestine
@@jenniferpowell597 Ok, boomer.
I don’t know that more political messaging is necessary in the media in general and especially it in movies. The beautiful thing about this movie and its message is that it’s Al vaguely tied together. Gwen as far as we know is a heterosexual and cis gendered woman but her struggle is similar to that of queer people. Isn’t that what we are missing from that debate? That we all have struggles as that ones you strip away the labels and filters they are all the same. I think defining the messages that are being presented in the movie as being for one demographic or another only creates more division. This kind of hammering of messages is also what spurs opposition and makes people not want to listen. It’s a key component of a persuasive narrative. If they are too overbearing people throw their guard up and often refuse to change but when you draw connections between struggles they begin to consider the similarities and if they don’t align their beliefs the do still respect the beliefs of others. Against this movie accomplishes this rather well and I think it’s because they focused on the narrative and message RATHER than focusing on politics like so many other movies today.
The entire movie's conceit is political, as it's there to humiliate people who hate Miles for political reasons. Further, you can't reach people who argue against basic human rights in the first place.
@@Peasham they don’t hate miles for political reasons at all. Also stating you can reach people who argue against human rights is both defeatist and untrue. If that were the case we would not have made the progress we have in recent decades or even centuries. Yes sometimes you fight for them but in recent history it’s been far more common to persuade people.
@@Ghost-Toast819 They explicitly hate Miles for political reasons. All the progress we've achieved so far has exclusively been a result of violence.
@@Peasham did people die for women to get the right to vote? Did people die for homosexual marriage to be legalized? Both are examples of things changing in a civil manner. Do people still disagree? Yes but not enough to turn to violence in most cases. (Select cases are exceptions to the rule and offer very little data on society as a hole). Also miles is disliked because he is “not Canon” not because he’s black. Sure you can argue that they have a “in universe political agenda of maintaining the canon” but that doesn’t support the original videos claim that we should have more political movies/heros. If they hated him for being black than hobie would be discriminated against too, and Miguel ojera is also a minority and he’s the main villain. So in what way is miles opposed in a political way?
@@Ghost-Toast819 Yes, both of those groups had thousands dead in the ground before actual change happened and both of those groups had used violence to have change happened. The suffragettes and stonewall were the opposite of peaceful.
Also uh.. no, Miles is canon, that has nothing to do with anything. What Miguel says to Miles when insulting him is partly why people hate him, and the "canonicity" concerns the fact that Miles is different to other Spider-Men, not that he's non-canon.
I can’t help but get emotional when I see people sharing the way I’m feeling. Thank you for this video.
I understand gatekeeping now
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Fantastic work on the analysis! You really captured some of the reasons I resonated with this film so much, and I've generally loved how much love people are giving ATSV as it sets itself apart from the genre. Great job!
Fantastic per usual!! So sad we didn't get to watch these movies together before I left school, but I loveee hearing your thoughts on it!
Thank you!!!
As a gen X and T, Spiderman was my favorite Saturday morning cartoon. The Ramones cover of the theme song is still on my Playlist.
I loved your point about the film speaking directly to young people today...
We all have great power in the age of the internet and mass media, and it's our duty to weild it responsibly.
You're very much doing your part in this respect, keep it up! 💖🙏
Oh come on.
@@DomeStik-he2gn huh??
@@KalebPeters99 I am a comic book and superhero dork. And I find it difficult to see drama, documentary, and romcom writers bringing their cynicism to escapism culture... And then wonder why they fail on all platforms.
Xavier and Magneto were good friends. Not lovers.
And Jubilee needs to grow her powers not lure and groom teen into the xxx-men.
And man... What did they do to Morph🥺
Its so amazing to watch a film that hits me as a hopeful but impassioned answer to the stuggles of real life, and give me more to take home with me! Spiderverse and Everything Everywhere felt close to home and gave me a new perspective
I don’t see how this has to do with politics. Culture, yes, but politics, no.
What else do you think culture is?
@@Peasham many thing. Politic is an extremely p
Specific thing
For activists, everything is political.
And anything is political enough.
But only the politics I agree with of course
They’ll look for anything. In LOTR, the men of the West have to remove monsters and less civilized men, along with restoring the Gondorian Monarchy, everything that liberals hate.
Would be extremely hard to make right wingers into heroes yes
@@Peasham only because you don’t agree with their politics
@@DionPanday Nah, because they'd be fighting innocent people and any form of societal progress.
@@Peasham Why would you think that?Anyone can be a hero, no matter their race, sex, religion or political affiliation, that’s the entire point of a hero 🤦♂️
Love this video!! Your analysis helped me to put a lot of my thoughts on the movie into words. It really connected aspects of the movie that I was thinking about.
-I also wanted to add that I view Hobie almost like a more matured Miles. Outwardly on the side of rebellion and radical action. I’m really excited to see more of Hobie in the next one!!!
Assuming the third film sticks the landing, Spider-Verse will probably be my favourite film trilogy of all time
Same
As a Jewish person, Magento was and is the goat
...there's a joke somewhere in here about the irony of a jewish person talking up a genocidal jewish superhero who believes that he and his ilk are the masterrace and that all humans should die.
Oh man Magneto is so cool...!!
The x-men in general make me question if any of the annoying "I don't want politics in my comics" crowd have actually touched a comic in their lives or if they're just posers lol
But Magneto is supposed to, ironically, be a mutant with Hitler's idelogy.
The point of his character is to show how the oppressed can become oppressors.
@@channel45853 don’t try to tell them, they won’t understand Magneto is not a good guy
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Hell no! I don't want politics in my entertainment is that so hard?
It is actually, as your favorite entertainment contains politics.
I don't want it contain the politics I don't like. That's it. I don't want to be force fed lies.
Eh I perfer escapism we already have a lot of films with identity politics whats Important is character and making them feel human idc what their social political views are.
Why do you wanna escape from different identities
@@PeashamEscape from the real world Is what I meant
@@Peasham🤦🏾♂️
@@stadic5311 Oh, so you don't watch media with humans in it?
@@Peasham are you stupid?
Its kind of sad to me to go and watch superhero movies in part because I grew up with the comics, and was taught to analyze the political and philosophical messages behind them. Watching the films it feels like they forego those messages and themes for the sake of a sanitized product that can be capitalized on. The spider-verse films are the first ones in a long time that I
've felt like they returned to those messages that can be found in the comics, just in a modern way.
Damn i near cried at the end there. Beautiful video
“I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards.”
― Garth Marenghi
That's pretty dumb
I feel like the average person rn is a bit too dumb to deserve subtext tbh, like you could literally spell out a message and it'd still fly over their heads
@@thirdwheel9938 Fallout, _cough_ The Matrix, _cough cough_ there's really just so much that goes over people's heads
@@nononope75 Ok honestly whenever stories use subtext I'm always confused or misinterpret it so yeah ig only smart ones can interpret them
Is the subtext or allegory better or worse than just telling the message outright? Is Gwen's story about being kicked out of home a better way to point out what people go through, or would just having an LGBT person kicked out of home for being gay be more meaningful and productive?
theres a reason that movies end up failing more and more we don't need politics in superheroes
One of the most successful movies, superhero and not, of all time is the one where the message is that the world should be a Fascist police state.
The fringe and derange politics of a cabal of lunatics... of course it'll fail!
@@erictrobin nah im talking about trying to force real world politics into movies will make it bad shit like the hunger games and other movies like that are great
This was such a a well made video! I love these spider verse movies and how their for everyone!!
I love these films so much. I don't really do "favorites," but if I did, these would easily be among them. The first was already great, and the 2nd just levels up in every way. Im sad that I've already watched it so many times. I can't wait for the 3rd... but I will, very patiently, because this kind of greatness takes time.
I was literally laughing to myself when I came out of the theater. I kept thinking, "This is the best movie experience I've ever had." Nothing has topped it since.
you make such thoughtful + quality videos! idk how you don't have more surprising
as a latino I personally never cared about miles' race, and I bet there were people who hated him because of it but let's not forget he was conceived in the raceswap era of marvel and his comics, in case anyone haven't read them, are a pile of burning trash like most marevl comics of that era.
Now miles thanks to spider-verse Miles is a proper character, and a really good one, if people hate the spider-verse version of him, yeah, I can't think of other reason other than justt racism. But again, his first comic iteration deserves all the criticism it got, the movies saved the character.
Ah yes, Marvel comics had never raceswapped characters previously and you've definitely read the comics
@@Peasham so what. I'm specifically refering to that certain era in which that was the only thing they could do while writing the worst stories imaginable
im reading authority/stormwatch and i agree
the comic that start off the whole "realistic superheroes" in all the mcu, the boys etc
2:25 that was the real great moments in the comic whenever they deconstructed that casual acceptance of the military the superheroes always did
To provide some context, I think many early superheores were cool with the military because at the time World War 2 was starting up or already happening, and soldiers were seen as heroes battling the Nazis. While in the comics, many characters like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and even Captain America, moved away from this military association in some form or another, because American culture never really lost its appetite for war movies and “hero soldier” stories, much of that militarism reappeared in a few of their movie adaptations
Ill stand by it that the overt political nature is what makes XMen comics runs (generally) the best
As a history buff and a nerdy politics kid heading into high school, I have always thought of and even drawed some Poltical superhero characters that I just love! Maybe someone else does the same? No one problem does but maybe..?♥️🙏
exactly what i thought. please make a part 2 on this if u have anymore to say. picking up a miles morales comic back in 2011-12 will always be a canon event for me 🖤
Everyone here needs to go read the Immortal Hulk omnibus
This film has changed my life for the better. Before this film I had always been confused about who i am and everything that comes with but watching this film and seeing the scene with Gwen and her father helped me understand who I am as up until that point I’d never felt like i related to a character more than I did at that moment.
We really do live in a politically addicted generation that can't perceive issues, characteristics, and life styles that exist outside of politics.
Oh no, the existence of minorities and women was always politicized by the right wing
Noooo thank you. In fact I think the superhero genre should remain one of the least political genres.
The most successful and praised superhero stories of all time are extremely political. The most successful and praised Marvel product in a half decade, X-Men 97, is extremely and unsubtly political.
@@Peasham I don’t give a fuck about X-Men 97. My favorite Superhero movies are the Raimi Spider-Man movies and those weren’t political, at least in any overt way. Superhero movies are the quintessential escapist genre, I don’t mind political subtext like in The Dark Knight or X Men, but it shouldn’t be anywhere near the main focus. If I wanted a political movie, I’d watch something by made by an Auteur like Michael Haneke or someone like that.
@@toothbrushfromnisemonogatari I'm sorry, you think X-Men has political SUBtext? Tf do you consider political TEXT then??
@@Peasham I mean it’s not subtle, but it’s also not in your face to the point of being annoying. And on the second point, if we’re talking about movies than I’d probably say something like Dr Strangelove or Do the Right Thing or The White Ribbon are more overtly political. Not to say they aren’t still using subtext, but they’re just much more fundamentally political films than even something like an X-Men film, which has political themes but is still much more focused on escapist entertainment. At least that’s how I view it.
congrats, you have a billions films to choose from! You don't need to watch every movie
A pretty consistent theme in all of The Gerosha Chronicles: The worship of self is a root unto almost all evils imaginable. Combine that with political power, and you have a recipe for madness. Gerosha Chronicles heroes, especially Ciem, fight a lot of different adversaries. But the most persistent antagonist that they can never seem to defeat easily, is the self-absorbed, corrupt politician or bureaucrat, as well as any orthonoid sheep that support said politician or bureaucrat. Blind worship of the state is the fuel of the fire to most human evils, and is the poison of the Dark Thrones and Principalities in the soul of all the human race. It's more dangerous than any shallow supervillain-of-the-week.
No matter how many monsters Ciem puts down, her political enemies always prove a greater danger. They don't hate her because she's woman, or because she's half-black and half-white. They hate her because she's quasi-trad. They hate her for wanting to settle down, start a family, start a homestead, and be self-sufficient, and be left alone.
They don't hate her entire family because they're mutants or what-not. They hate her family, because her mother frustrated the efforts of some sexual predators trying to infiltrate the education system to gain access to children faster. So they murdered Candi's mother, and made posthaste to undo Shalia's legacy, then decided to try to kill Candi as an additional form of revenge-by-proxy.
And the end result of them hating God, is that they love death - especially death brought about by sexual perversions, especially committed against children. Thus, with sensuality and pride being the foundations of atheism, all rebels against God eventually risk succumbing to the urge to define themselves entirely around nihilistic hedonism.
Defeating that entire worldview becomes a moral imperative that challenges Candi more than any supervillain alone ever could. And she faces it knowing full well it's a fight she can't hope to win on her own - and that many others, with or without powers, also have to fight.
So it's not only political, it's spiritual / religious in its implications!
But ofc since the poster of the video doesn't agree with that ur not getting hearted. Hell I don't agree with all of it but I should still hear u out right.
If you think politics needs to be in a super hero movies, you need to find a different genre.
Bro's never read a comic book in his life saying this shit lmao
@@Peasham movies aint comic books
@@rodrigo_tm We're talking about comic book movies.
Gwen's life was tragic and overwhelming and didn't want to lose another friend that changed her life
Gwen formed a band of the gang as a spider rebellion to save the multiverse a better way as they set off to find Miles they all care for him which is more important
Yoo the movie shots in your essay are high quality wtf
True actually
Yeah, only if their “politics” matches yours.
Well yeah, right wing superheroes would inherently be villains.
@@Peasham why do u believe that.
@@Peasham Oh yeah I forgot, Batman is a villain, Superman is a fascist, and Captain America is the beckon of white supremacy.
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 Right wingers and their ideology demand society be returned to an imagine golden past, with said golden past meaning the rolling back of societal progress, a right wing superhero would therefore fight against the progress of society and for its regression.
@@Peasham I don't understand what you even said.
I wasn’t going to watch this but glad I did yet another level to this great movie.
Since you love the X-Men(the goats) could you do a video on X-Men 97’? I think it’s easily some of the best superhero like spider verse
From what I’ve seen of X-Men 97’ it’s great, once I get around to finishing the show I’ll definitely consider it! If not, then I’m sure an X-Men video of some type will come out on here eventually since they are my favs
@@makingmediamatter great to hear🕴
I wish Batman fans would take to heart the lessons in this movie. You'd think there's only one acceptable version of Batman or his villians(Joker) and it's incredibly frustrating. As a lifelong comic fan I've always been open minded about all of the various ways to interpret these characters. I absolutely love Into The Spider Spiderverse for tackling that subject head on.
Very refreshing to finally see a video that isn't about the beef, Istg my feed is just filled with drake and kendrick stuff.
Edit: Just finished the video, amazing analysis, I thought the reason why I watched this film a bit too many times was because I love the animation and production value. But through the lens of this video I saw that this movie was written in a way that resonates to a lot of people in some shape or form. So maybe that's why I keep coming back to the spiderverse movies.
A recommendation I have if you enjoy Spider-Verse is Shin Kamen Rider. It’s a zany and powerful Japanese superhero film about processing trauma and rejection. It’s available on Prime, and I think it’s one of the best superhero films, and another great superhero film of 2023! It got me into Kamen Rider, which has itself as a franchise opened my eyes to a fresh side of the superhero genre that most western comic movies don’t usually tap into.
While it ain't half bad, if we're talking proper political? Kamen Rider Black Sun all the way baby
@@Peasham oh my god another black sun enjoyer I’m not alone
Also Drive handles corruption in the police force pretty damn good. The original Black also, even if unintended, kind of works as a queer allegory? After Kotaro becomes Kamen Rider Black, no matter how much he wants to save his brother and be a family again, his brother has made up his mind and will continue to hate him and refuses to call him his brother again.
No we don't.
Yay for new upload!
ur videos never miss
incredible video! keep it up :3
Spot didn't like being insulted hinting his vendetta
You're playing a dangerous game with the title 💀
Great video, though. Very well made and researched. This enlightened me to some of the deeper meanings of the film.
My main issue with the whole miles vs miguel thing is that nothing REALLY justifies miles' rebellion. The characters dont know that miguel's theory for the canon is potentially wrong. so miles' only reason for disobeying is an act of childish desperation. Its a fruitless lose-lose effort. They had to make miguel uncharacteristically abusive to justify vilifying him. I'd be more on miles' side if he KNEW something was up with the theory of canon events. But NO ONE has any reason to doubt the canon events until gwen at the very end.
if they were going for a "you can defy your destiny no one can dictate your story but you" thing it doesnt really work because the "destiny" has extra stipulations. This isnt a "bad things will happen to you in the future" thing that the character can defy its a "bad things will happen to you in the future and if you stop it EVERYONE will die" thing which is very different. The difference between these two is that in the typical destiny defying story theres no direct consequence for defying your destiny. the character just does it out of sheer willpower. with miles there is a confirmed consequence (at least as far as they know) for breaking the canon. which is the death of the multiverse. and miguel's side has more evidence to prove it. and i dont know if thats a fault of the storytelling or a me thing. Considering i'm the only one who feels this way its probably a me thing. and if the narrative tells us miguel is wrong then miguel is wrong. I just feel like its very hard to root for miles in this scenario :/ like yeah i can empathize with him wanting to save his dad but there actually is nothing he can do because his dad will die either way. There ISNT "another way" (that they know of). So basically miles is just taking a desperate gamble. like i said i would empathize wayyy more if miles knew something that the other spider people didnt. but the only reason he rebelled is because he's immature and highly emotional. Miles legit has no idea what he's even doing. He doesnt KNOW anything he's just throwing a childish tantrum when he doesnt get his way. im sorry miles but as far as you know there's nothing you can do. and its noble to WANT there to be a solution but as much as you want one, there isn't. Like it IS for his own good and everyone's good.
miles rebelling is like if miguel told him he has to get vaccinated or if he doesnt he and everyone he loves will get sick and miles being like 'nO! I wont listen to some dumb books there has to be another way!" and dont even get me started on the other characters. Peter doesnt take anything seriously even though the multiverse is at stake, hobie rebels for the hell of it even though he's potentially putting the multiverse is at stake. and dont even get me started on miles being angry at gwen and peter. i dont really see that as betrayal especially since they had his best interest in mind. They didnt LIE they just didnt tell him info. Info that mind you is extremely earth shattering knowledge like how tf could you know how to tell someone that.
I hope this is all cleared up in beyond the spiderverse because i loves miles but i dont like how he was portrayed here. this issue frustrates me and the fact im the only one who feels this way only adds to it. I've talked about this to many of my friends and many people and no one is yet to be able to put the final piece in to make me understand.
I think its because i'm personally overthinking and most people are taking "miguel is obviously the bad guy" at face value and thats enough justification for them
I know not everyone liked the later seasons, but Young Justice was always high intensity on that
Human trafficking, political espionage, but mixed in with therapy, flawed people trying to go through it all, its not just vague metaphors its real life with metaphors on top to enhance it even more, and with the hope and fantasy of such a world
HELL YES!!!!
You're right, we need more characters like Stormfront from The Boys.
There's plenty of Nazis that get mutilated in comics already though
I usually avoid politics, i dont know I just usually just see people just yell at each other then actually talking to each other. Sometimes tho I do choose to listen different viewpoints of current issues and make my own thoughts internally. I was hesitant to listen to this because I love Spider-Man, I didn't think he is a political character or Spider-verse's message of "anyone can wear the mask or you don't have to be part of a status quo" was a political message. I generally believe that anyone can be a great hero like Spider-Man, even in their own unique ways.
Glad I chose to listen to this, got me thinking for a while after finishing this video 👍
Everyone is sick and tired of politics nowadays, no one wants to have filthy rich corporations shove politics down our throats
See that's funny considering the most popular and profitable movies of the modern era, not sure that checks out.
@@Peasham nowadays people would want to see your live destroyed, just because of your politics, not sure if that’s what the world and movie industry should focus on
@@HunterXHunterLover4 "Nowadays" lmaoo back in my day if you were any flavor of LGBTQ+ you'd have gotten lynched and god forbid you were an outspoken minority or an atheist, you have no idea what you're talking about
If we had more of those the more we would realised how bad our current ones are
0:58 My sister forgot Iron Man 2.
Still gonna watch the rest of the video because it looks like a good one.
Edit: Is, in fact, a good video. Props!
Thank you! I got a few comments like this and I will say I remembered the parts of Iron Man 2 where he was getting drunk but I just meant to say that story wasn’t fully covered in the film, it was more a momentary thing that was brushed off and never given it’s proper coverage. Happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
As someone whos very ideologically punk.... I dont mind giving money to movies that actively have a message against conformity and preach resistance. Now superheroes movies have become so hollow that their whole purpose is just to generate the most money with the least creativity as possible. But spiderverse was so different and as a punk artist, I appreciate it. However, I still condemn the studios exploitation of their workers, the fans need to start upholding the voices of those workers so their testimonies of injustice are heard. I do want another spiderverse, but I dont want the movie if it means exploitating more people.
i would be fine with the more political themes and stories if it wasn’t all far left bullshit or DNC propaganda. i agree there needs to be more themes and topics explored (and not just from a right wing perspective), but the current trend with “subversive politics” really just being a branch of left wing politics is getting out of hand
Oh the MCU advocates for workers owning the means of production?
@@Peasham This was the far left 60+ years ago. Are you that old?
Instant sub. Defo gon check out more of your videos
The Spiderman Spiderverse series is definitely one of my favorite trilogies so far. Miles is a fantastic protagonist and I love his story arc so far. That said, I really appreciate the niche Hobie fills as well. His character is so well written to be the background support. Everything he does, particularly in front of Miles, is done with intention and Miles is smart enough that when it becomes relevant, he figures out what Hobie was trying to tell him. A character that comes from a world where the fascists win and has had to learn more oblique ways to fight back is invaluable to Miles' story, and is a good lesson for the rest of us. We can't always be the person fighting directly, but we /can/ support those who are, whether giving advice borne of experience or providing physical support.
A man can run away from his duty but never from his conscience which miles was under this situation while in earth 42 saying if he doesn't get home his father will be gone even in fact he lied to his mother as he explained to Aaron that wasn't the prowler that he doesn't belong there and the spider wasn't supposed to give him powers but someone else is up for miles to decide if the rules or a drowning bird is more important when a bird is drowning you never had to worry about who the water belonged to
ANOTHER 20 BILLION FOR ISRAEL
Miguel was most upset and angrier of the collider crisis and blamed it on miles
Blue Beetle is a really good one
THIISSSS
Great video 🎉
I still want a hulk film about his daddy issues and truama manifests into the green man
That actually exists, but hear me out
It’s called Hulk 2003. Yes, the Ang Lee movie. It is sincerely the only film take on the Hulk at this point to tackle these themes
@@Cdr2002 really? People say that film is bad so I didn't check it out
@@ExtinctClanHead yeah I know people say it’s bad, and it does have its issues, but it’s the only Hulk movie to deal with these themes, and part of the initial backlash to it was people being upset that it wasn’t more of an action movie
It isn't a bad movie, it just took its time to establish the setting, and I think that put off all the people who wanted two solid hours of Hulk smashing things.
@@Here_is_Waldo exactly
14:20 since you mentioned X-Men and Across the Spider-Verse, i would like to suggest X-Men '97
This video in its entirety was so pleasantly surprising. This type of commentary and discussion is a bit uncommon in the comic book movie sphere, where political commentary of this fashion is so readily shut down. There is so much glorified "subtlety" that I feel is many times performative and surface level, its so heartwarming to see a creator who dives into the ins and outs of the work with attention and care, while grounding each comment in reality, there's is not a more beautiful example of that than you using your platform to share to your audience a plea for Palestine. Instant subscriber, love the content, love the creator, looking forward to more.
I hope they don’t get together.
No the fuck we don't.
The only problem I have with the movie is seeing the HEAVILY PREGNANT LADY being thrown into battle and waggled around like- MISS ¡YOU ARE PREGNANT! GET OFF FROM THAT BIKE AND GO HOME! TAKE A BREAK FOR THE SAKE OF THAT BABY T0T
I mean the heavily pregnant lady thinks reality will literally collapse if she doesn't do her job is the thing
@@Peasham Her job is to leave certain people to die, I'm very sure someone can be her back up on that 😭
@@atheahatshizume658 Yeah it's more about how she feels about the situation lol
@@Peasham lol yeah. But I don't know if it is because my mother instincts skyrocketed when I saw the pregnant lady jumping around on a friking motorcycle and getting tossed around as if she wasn't pregnant. But I'm worried by that baby. XD
@@atheahatshizume658Shut the hell up. Literally children have been spiderman
awesome video
Since we're talking about politics and you mentioned X-Men are your favourite team... what did you think of X-Men 97?
Ive only see a small bit of it, and desperately want to finish the show, but from what I’ve seen it was wonderful and definitely tapped into the X-Men’s political undertones
@@makingmediamatter except when they whitewashed sunspot. again. and continued the long trend of a superhero team inspired by the civil rights and black struggle starring 99% white people and everyone else is a secondary supporting character at best.
I can't tell you how many people I've seen miss the point entirely. So many god damned Miguel supporters, that it makes me wonder if they even saw the film-- if they even saw the 'Nah, I'mma do my own thing' scene...
I have, and many others have to. The problem with supporting Miles is supporting him wanting to possibly destroy a whole universe full of people just for his dad.
When fighting against the system harms more people than it helps, is it a good fight?