The mythic count is concerning to me considering how juiced set boosters used to be. I feel like you should be seeing 6-8 mythics based on the total amount of rares/mythics in these packs.
Not paying 240$CAD tx incl for this. That was the price I paid 5 years ago when Master 25 released. How come we have reached this point already where a box of a regular Standard set cost the same as what a Master set costed 5 years ago? This cost 60$ more than a draft box costed me the past two years.
I can't speak for Canadian pricing, but this is the same price per pack we were charging for set boosters here. It just has 6 extra packs compared to a set box.
These feel like either slightly (extremely slightly) better draftbooster or really worse setboosters. I feel this is just a push towards collector boosters, if you want some good pulls
There are a lot of REALLY powerful cards in this set, people just haven't had a chance to play with them or figure our pricing to see what the big hits are.
@@RipAndShip I guess we will have to wait and see how it goes after release. I just think LCI was such a good set, it's hard to follow up. I am glad they put together some quality precons though, they have great value!
The extra cards don't seem like they justify the new cost of the play boosters... seem like a bad proposition outside of draft ( and you have your choice for boxes anyway). I'm gonna be sitting out until I like a set thematically like Bloomburrow. Don't waste your money or time folks.
Excluding basic lands, players will draft 39 cards (down from 42) and sealed pools will have 78 of these cards (down from 84). Crazy that people are ok with this.
I don't see it really impacting draft or sealed. I guess it might have a slightly larger impact for sealed, but I very very rarely used my 15th pick in a draft pack in my deck.
I don’t think that will be a huge issue. It’s very rare to miss out on enough playables in today’s limited environment, so missing 3 or 6 cards isn’t going to be noticed like it would be in a set designed 6-8 years ago.
I doubt this was even close to break even. It has the case for years now with standard sets and it'll be even worse with these packs. Most rares are bulk at best since they are watered down. Even the usual inflated pre-release prices are relatively low and I don't expect to hold.
Time will tell. Pack opening generally isn't seen as an investment, though, but as entertainment. If you just want a few select cards, you're almost always better off getting singles.
@@RipAndShip I agree but it used to be more likely to get value in a draft box a frlew years ago. It gets old very quick being on the losing end too often.
the only thing I pre-ordered from this set is assassin's trophy. I think that card might go up but I wont touch the rest until a week or two after the set comes out.
This has me torn. Did they do well on making play boosters viable in draft and limited? Yeah, somewhat. Of course you add variance by adding SPGs and list slots. They did well in keeping the limited environment in mind with what they put on the list and in the SPG slot. My issue though? Going forward both the list and the SPG slots will be bottlenecked by the limited environment which definitely makes these less fun to crack for collecting than set boosters just by design. Like 1,56% for a rare or mythic list hit and another 1,56% for a SPG while both slots are less juiced up to keep limited balanced? Oof, that sounds rough. I would have much preferred for them to go for an extra card in the booster which cannot be used in draft/limited but allows for a better pack cracking experience personally. Guess I'll see how it feels when my preorder arrived. Starting off with a bundle to crack and a pre-release kit to play limited with in our group.
The idea of getting a basic land in a booster I just spent 6£/$/€ on makes me so pissed off I’m not even buying them. I’m buying old sets from now on and precons
I opened set boxes during strixhaven, mh2, midnight hunt, and brother's war. 4 rares in a pack happened more times than id expected. 3 rares almost felt commonplace.
They are actually becoming a modern staple, if there's no need to fetch a shock or triome, you get to surveil which is really strong in a lot of decks.
Pretty annoying that they can’t acknowledge that sets boosters were the bloat. Collectors boosters for the whales and draft boosters for play, not that complicated.
46 rares, 5 mythics counting List slot. So Total 51 rare/mythic. Effectively more than I used to see with a box of 30 set boosters (I had between 38-42 of those). But, considering everyone could open about 50 rares/mythic per box it is just more of those on the market and it makes them less valuable. I don't personnaly beleived that all things settled there will be way more "value" for your money in these play booster box. You get near 1.5X more rare/mythic per box than a regular draft box. Like I said, I beleive this is the kind of thing that makes the cards less actually physically rare and thus less valuable. Would be interesting to compare ratio EV/box price compared to sets from the past with consideration to inflation.
If you adjust for 6 extra packs, this would have had about 42 rares/mythics in a set box. Honestly, most people were buying set boxes over draft boxes so it should keep things the same if they printed the same number of packs overall.
I average 57+ rare/mythic per set booster. with 36 pack per box for play booster in comes out to almost 70 per 36 packs. There is no way in hell close to 70 in all the box opening I have seen.@@RipAndShip
@@RipAndShip Hello, it is not because of the issue of playing itself, it is because of the issue of how the game is being played, the only thing that matters is the economic value of the cards, then the old cards, such as there are reissues, are no longer worth anything and then the exorbitant prices and speculation.
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The mythic count is concerning to me considering how juiced set boosters used to be. I feel like you should be seeing 6-8 mythics based on the total amount of rares/mythics in these packs.
It's variance, I'm sure there will be some play boxes with a ton of mythics.
@@RipAndShipDo commander cards appear in play boosters, like they did in set?
They do not.@@chrisharrison2900
@@RipAndShip unfortunate, though I believe that the list spot has some of the uncommon reprints from the precons.
I once pulled 2 mythics out of a ONE box so this seems fine.
Thanks Lance! You and the entire Moonshot crew are awesome!!!
Thank you RainFire for the opportunity to open this on video!
Thanks Lance. I like seeing these before any sealed purchases so I can determine if it’s worth; so far I’d say no.
Glad I could help! I think there will be a lot of staples in this set when all is said and done.
Not paying 240$CAD tx incl for this. That was the price I paid 5 years ago when Master 25 released. How come we have reached this point already where a box of a regular Standard set cost the same as what a Master set costed 5 years ago? This cost 60$ more than a draft box costed me the past two years.
I can't speak for Canadian pricing, but this is the same price per pack we were charging for set boosters here. It just has 6 extra packs compared to a set box.
These feel like either slightly (extremely slightly) better draftbooster or really worse setboosters. I feel this is just a push towards collector boosters, if you want some good pulls
Feels the same as a set booster from a set with no bonus sheet to me. Only difference is lower pull rate on list cards.
I'm feeling like they missed the mark on this, coming from LCI with all the cool hits, special guests, huge list hits, now its pretty sparse for hits.
There are a lot of REALLY powerful cards in this set, people just haven't had a chance to play with them or figure our pricing to see what the big hits are.
@@RipAndShip I guess we will have to wait and see how it goes after release. I just think LCI was such a good set, it's hard to follow up. I am glad they put together some quality precons though, they have great value!
Yeah, there is no Mana Crypt chase, but that's like... 99% of standard sets.
Really fun to see you showcase the product and your reactions. Happy karlov opening
Thank you! You too!
The extra cards don't seem like they justify the new cost of the play boosters... seem like a bad proposition outside of draft ( and you have your choice for boxes anyway). I'm gonna be sitting out until I like a set thematically like Bloomburrow. Don't waste your money or time folks.
The extra rare slots are a trap since they watered most rares down. Nothing justified the increase.
It's just a bigger set box, essentially. Same price per pack.
@@RipAndShip yeah but is a watered down set Booster pack when the set is designed with the extra rares per pack.
This is definitely a buy singles set. Theres maybe 4 cards in the whole set that interest me.
Interesting, I thought this set is pretty powerful!
Excluding basic lands, players will draft 39 cards (down from 42) and sealed pools will have 78 of these cards (down from 84). Crazy that people are ok with this.
I don't see it really impacting draft or sealed. I guess it might have a slightly larger impact for sealed, but I very very rarely used my 15th pick in a draft pack in my deck.
Smaller pool is just smaller but most times those are trash commons.
I don’t think that will be a huge issue. It’s very rare to miss out on enough playables in today’s limited environment, so missing 3 or 6 cards isn’t going to be noticed like it would be in a set designed 6-8 years ago.
I doubt this was even close to break even. It has the case for years now with standard sets and it'll be even worse with these packs. Most rares are bulk at best since they are watered down. Even the usual inflated pre-release prices are relatively low and I don't expect to hold.
Time will tell. Pack opening generally isn't seen as an investment, though, but as entertainment. If you just want a few select cards, you're almost always better off getting singles.
@@RipAndShip I agree but it used to be more likely to get value in a draft box a frlew years ago. It gets old very quick being on the losing end too often.
the only thing I pre-ordered from this set is assassin's trophy. I think that card might go up but I wont touch the rest until a week or two after the set comes out.
@@patrickstrawder9644 I only got the commander precons.
This has me torn. Did they do well on making play boosters viable in draft and limited? Yeah, somewhat. Of course you add variance by adding SPGs and list slots. They did well in keeping the limited environment in mind with what they put on the list and in the SPG slot.
My issue though? Going forward both the list and the SPG slots will be bottlenecked by the limited environment which definitely makes these less fun to crack for collecting than set boosters just by design. Like 1,56% for a rare or mythic list hit and another 1,56% for a SPG while both slots are less juiced up to keep limited balanced? Oof, that sounds rough. I would have much preferred for them to go for an extra card in the booster which cannot be used in draft/limited but allows for a better pack cracking experience personally.
Guess I'll see how it feels when my preorder arrived. Starting off with a bundle to crack and a pre-release kit to play limited with in our group.
Good luck with your pulls.
The idea of getting a basic land in a booster I just spent 6£/$/€ on makes me so pissed off I’m not even buying them. I’m buying old sets from now on and precons
Thankfully they're a little cheaper on our side, $4.99 a pack on stream.
They tune down the double rate rare compared previous set booster
There are more packs with 2 rares in this set than in previous sets with set boosters that did not have a bonus sheet.
Looking forward to play sealed with these!
Should be fun for sure!
Why the rare/mythic count drop real hard? Even ixalan at least got 2 rare for each set boosters
Ixalan didn't have 2 per set booster. Also, it had Jurassic World rares which were like a bonus sheet in some packs. Most packs only had 1 rare.
i wanna see how the prerelease packs look like
I won't have any until after prerelease, most likely.
Really wanting to build a slides against humanity deck!
Gonna be a lot of people wanting to do that!
Where are all the rares i thought these were gonna be on par with set packs
Felt on part with set packs to me. I think most people over estimate the number of rares in a set box.
I opened set boxes during strixhaven, mh2, midnight hunt, and brother's war. 4 rares in a pack happened more times than id expected. 3 rares almost felt commonplace.
@@professormancaptain4210strixhaven and bro bother had bonus sheets. I promise you mid and mh2 did not have the same pull rates.
more tap lands.. yay
At least you can fetch them!
They are actually becoming a modern staple, if there's no need to fetch a shock or triome, you get to surveil which is really strong in a lot of decks.
Pretty annoying that they can’t acknowledge that sets boosters were the bloat. Collectors boosters for the whales and draft boosters for play, not that complicated.
Yet draft boosters were the lowest selling product of the three.
Shittier draft experience and shitter pack cracking experience, nice!
I honestly think the drafts will be fun.
46 rares, 5 mythics counting List slot. So Total 51 rare/mythic. Effectively more than I used to see with a box of 30 set boosters (I had between 38-42 of those). But, considering everyone could open about 50 rares/mythic per box it is just more of those on the market and it makes them less valuable. I don't personnaly beleived that all things settled there will be way more "value" for your money in these play booster box. You get near 1.5X more rare/mythic per box than a regular draft box. Like I said, I beleive this is the kind of thing that makes the cards less actually physically rare and thus less valuable. Would be interesting to compare ratio EV/box price compared to sets from the past with consideration to inflation.
If you adjust for 6 extra packs, this would have had about 42 rares/mythics in a set box. Honestly, most people were buying set boxes over draft boxes so it should keep things the same if they printed the same number of packs overall.
I give it until next year and draft boosters will be back
I doubt they'd bring back their worst selling box.
So I noticed that the packs have 14 cards(including a basic land card) what does that mean for draft since we used to use 15 card packs?
You draft one less card per pack and cut one less card per pack from your deck. Honestly, pick 15s were almost always trash for me when drafting.
One geardrake in the entire box 😮💨
Thanks for watching.
This set looks pretty cool I'm probably going to have to get a box.
I've enjoyed it so far.
I miss set boosted those were my shit
Kinda sucks the art cards arent guaranteed. Guess it adds to there rarity but its still eh.
I love art cards, but most people do nothing with them.
I blink and theres a million different sets released.
Glad I got out of mtg. This is a bit absurd.
There are a lot of sets.
Like for Who watched only the first pack fo see the new booster pack style
Thanks for watching, even just if for one pack.
Nice! ❤❤❤
Thanks for watching!
they should call them pay boosters... cause youre gonna pay a premium for a non premium booster....
They're the same price as set boosters and better than set boosters.
Lmao at these lands that aren't going to go anywhere! This set is terrible!
I dunno, they seem pretty useful to me! They're not gonna be $20, but probably not $0.25 either.
How wrong you were lol
@@maaikevreugdemaker9210 agreed I was wrong lmao
looks like shittier set boosters with less rares/mythic and a shitty list slot.
List slot definitely has less power it feels like, but the rares/mythics per pack are on par for a set without a bonus sheet.
I average 57+ rare/mythic per set booster. with 36 pack per box for play booster in comes out to almost 70 per 36 packs. There is no way in hell close to 70 in all the box opening I have seen.@@RipAndShip
@@eddiesuen3711 which set? Cause sets with no bonus sheet don't get that high.
that set looks very meh
We'll see how the power level impacts people's opinions as the set starts getting played.
Since 1999 play Magic 2024 bye bye Magic.
You can still play with your cards you have.
@@RipAndShip Hello, it is not because of the issue of playing itself, it is because of the issue of how the game is being played, the only thing that matters is the economic value of the cards, then the old cards, such as there are reissues, are no longer worth anything and then the exorbitant prices and speculation.
Che brutta espansione..
Delusione 😢
Not every set will be for every person.
Set seems boring tbh
Once you know what the cards do, it actually seems pretty powerful.