US Army Combat Veteran Reacts to Templin Institute: Imperium of Man (Part 1)
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his MMA trainign didnt prepare him for the horrifying evil battlefield known as the youtube comment section, nothing could prepare him for the carnage lol
This is the warhammer 40k community we're not THAT bad this is a joke and I love the warhammer community
@@Jacob-kv9uu oh lawd please dont call it a community, cant we just all like the same thing without uniting under a banner? Thats what leads to the evil battlefield youtube sections, random fandoms and factions clashing greater than the horus hersey.
@@nullakjg767 Well said heretic, we're not brothers, we're simply living in the same universe of 40k and we hate eachothers guts but we kinda like eachother because we get to kill eachother.
This is the 40k fandom.
@@zeraith Worship of the series breaks the imperial truth!
this reply chain is great. 40k fans may be nerds but dammit we are always looking for more nerds
This is not a reaction, this is enrichment. Thanks for adding value to the topic.
Thanks! Glad to share my knowlege
Why do I have to think of " Its not a waste, its an Investment!!" from TTS
If there is no enrichment in a reaction, then that reaction is a waste of your time.
Paul has figured out an angle for teaching Civics online without getting bukkake'd by Putintrolls. This is doing the world good.
Not only does the Emperor keep the Astronomicon fuctioning, he is simultaneously keeping the webway closed, holding legions upon legions of demons at bay, preventing them from invading Terra
If the Emperor dies, even if he respawns in the Warp as a God of Order seconds later, you still get a second Eye of Terror centered on Terra and the Sol System.
Hell, with the current state of affairs, a second eye of terror might be enough to plunge the whole galaxy into the warp, save isolated holdouts protected by Necron tech, and some hive fleets.
@Solar chos We don't know anything about that, do we?
Well, if Emp dies he mostlikely consumes all 4 chaos gods, trust me Tzeench knows it and does not want it to happen or maybe does? You nerver know!
It was retconned in the newest lore, the webway portal under the palace was destroyed and doesn't need the emperor to be kept in check anymore.
You mean the Warp? The Webway is the Eldar pocket dimension travel system that is actually safer than the Warp due to the lack of Daemons.
Your comparison of Imperial internal politics to Afghanistan is pretty much spot on, although unlike Afghanistan, the Imperium can and WILL enforce it's rule once local conflicts start to impact the Imperial Tithe, smell of heresy, or simply get a little too ambitious in their independency.
In fact, much of the Imperium consists of "pocket empires" and commonwealths of systems managing their own internal politics (like Ultramar), and only interacting with the wider Imperium when dealing with greater issues. Perhaps sorta like US or German federal states.
Yea, that's a good point. There is always a huge gulf between what a central government *can* do and what it is *willing* to do
@@CombatVeteranReacts Not in 40k there isnt... If things go far enough it might very well be easier to kill of the population that resists, ship the rest off to penal legions/colonies and resettle everything with the spare bodies from the hellaciously overpopulated hivecities then figure out who is responsible for what.
Life is cheap. So very cheap, but it is the Emperors currency so spend it well.
The issue with that is yet another another civil war, but the Imperium defines itself as being right and nobody can hold out forever alone. They'l win... Eventually, for a good example of something like this I'd take a look at the Siege of Vraks (A fellow called Arch has a good, if quite long, series on it, also involves the Death Korps.. Hell just his introduction on just the kriegsmen might be worth it for ya.)
The Imperium will react to every act of rebellion on every planet. It just might take them a few hundred years to get around to it. It is always funny to see a planetary tyrant so sure of his ultimate rule because it has been working out for a few decades ...until the Imperial penal expedition arrives, kills first and asks questions later.
@@MeanGun Not quite, I'm afraid.
In several instances, especially when the planet is not internally unified, they are content to let civil wars play out. They then send an Administratum party over, declare the winner Planetary Governor, ask for the Tithe, and leave again. Only if that won't work, they'll send a "pacification force".
E.g. in the Gaunt's Ghosts novel "Necropolis": The Verghast hive cities battled in the "Trade War" over control of the planet and the Governor title, and the Imperium didn't care. Only in the next conflict they sent a massive relief army, because now Ferrozoica Hive was under Chaos control and fought an extermination campaign against the rest of the planet.
@@MeanGun Sadly no, the Imperium only cares when their tithes become affected. There's to much going on to weigh in on every minor, local, dispute and as long as the taxes still flow as they're supposed to then who cares about what faction is technically in charge of what.
That said its the Imperium, you may get no response and you might get the official backing for two, or more, factions in the war if and when they do react.
But once the Imperium is roused, once the slow wheels of the Administratum and Munitorum begins to grind there is precious little that can change their course.
The Dune comparison is right
40k is heavily inspired by Dune
From the name Imperium, to the rule of a God-Emperor, to the use of Navigators for space travel
Warhammer is inspired by many things.
@@WallNutBreaker524 dune chief among them
“Cataloguing a million worlds would be almost impossible”
Adeptus Administratum: are you challenging me?
Yes, because you suck at doing your job
@@legionofthedamned157 100 years later:Hey!
@@SirMarshalHaig lol
@@legionofthedamned157 yes my general
Well i catalogued 998214 planets!
-dude there are literally 1786 worlds missing.
-psh really thats small change
-That is 1786 frigging WORLDS each filled with trillions of people you misplaced!
-yeah but in the search we discovered 2000 more so it balances out
-bruh that just means 3786 worlds were missing wtf!
- nuh uh!
You're completely correct about the Astronomicon. Telepathic Navigators rely on it to find their way through 'The Warp' and without the Emperor projecting said gps beacon humanity would have no means of somewhat safely traveling the galaxy.
Glad the universe is starting to make a little sense to me lol!
Isn't the Astronomicon more like using the North Star for navigation rather than a gps? That's been my understanding of it but not really sure.
@@LuciusSicarius That's a good comparison too
@@LuciusSicarius I'm guessing it's a mix of watching the currents to find the eye of terror and then the astronomicon to find definite location
@@LuciusSicarius yes, you're entirely right : the navigators have the power to "sense" or "see" the currents in the Warp, but they need a reference point. This is why there are good and bad navigators : if the Astronomican was a GPS, it would be really dumb to fail a journey, but instead you have to make some sorte of calculations and estimations for plotting the best course given this reference point, so sometimes a really good navigator can outpace other ships heading for the same destination because he would have sensed a better way ;)
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Whats ironic about the Emperium's religion is that the Emporer never wanted to be worshipped as a god. In fact he made great efforts to completely erase religion from humanity when he was forming the Emperium to make a secular civilization.
if you want to imagine the Warp and its effect on humans, watch Event Horizon. the movie is unofficially considered to be part of the 40k universe, detailing the very first attempt of faster than light travel thru an alternate universe aka The Warp and how unprotected travel thru the Warp will drive you insane or be possessed by demonic entities.
It's unofficial but not un-deliberate - the writer of event horizon is a confirmed 40K fan
Damn dude, you're good on understanding what's going on in this video.
It's hard to cram decades of info into 15 minutes. So you filled in the pieces really well.
Humanity tried the whole ai route with his administration doing a menial tasks and even war fighting and of course like every other time, the machines went "Okay, gotta kill all the humans now"
The Astranomicon is more like a light house, and the warp is analogous to Hell. So basically they take a shortcut through Hell to get to where they are going and need a lighthouse to give them a set point to figure out where they are going.
That makes sense. Thanks
While hoping and praying that either nothing notices them or the thing that notices them can't pop their geller field like it's a soap bubble. Or that the geller field flickers/fails...there's a lot of reasons why warp jumps are probably one of the worst ways in science fiction to travel long distances
The talk about feudalism is actually fairly representative of how the imperium functions. Each planet is responsible for maintaining its own planetary defence force to ward off small incursions, or, in the case of bigger threats, to hold out until other forces can arrive to help. The imperium also has different levels of bureaucracy, as briefly mentioned in the video, so for example, a call for aid would go up from system command, to sector command, to segmentum command, to the high lords. The higher the threat, the higher the call would propagate, and of course the longer the response would take. This makes the imperium quite effective at dealing with small scale raids and incursions, however, as situation gets worse and worse, the response time becomes slower and less effective as more and more forces must be mustered from across the sector, segmentum or galaxy.
The inefficiency in so many of the imperium's bureaucratic systems is partly there by design, as the imperium is very leery of giving individuals power without significant oversight. The higher levels of imperial governance would rather temporarily lose a planet than have someone in a position, where, if they turned traitor, they could directly command enough forces to be a threat to the greater imperium. (this is also why combined arms isn't a thing in the imperial guard, so that if one regiment turns traitor, it's effectiveness is limited). The imperium learnt that lesson the hard way during the horus heresy, as at the time, the space marine legions had almost no oversight and were all commanded by 1 man, and when that man (Horus) turned traitor, he was able to rally half of the space marines against the imperium and almost destroyed it, laying siege to the imperial palace on earth itself before finally being defeated.
the emperors "avenging" son now rules the imperium and killed half the high council. but hes taken his place as regeant
Interesting!
Yeah roboute gulliman primarch of the ultra marines returned and decided the high lords needed to be restructured so he replaced( aka killed and replaced with more loyal people) quite a few who didn't want him taking over.
Of they thought gulliman was trouble what would they think if Russ came back....or more possible vulkan since he is a perpetual
@@CombatVeteranReacts Guilliman is the Regent and in charge of the Imperium. He has a commander of the Imperium Nighalis the northern half of the Imperium since it was split in 2, Dante of the BloodAngels. Then their is the 12 high lords, the Senate, the 5 Segmentum commanders, sector command, sub sector command, local system command and finally the planetary govenor. Their is very many layers of command and control so a fast reaction can happen at the local system level while the Imperium decides what to do and how big of a response they have to send or are willing to send with other wars or incidents going on. I suggest you watch Arch's video on Layered Proportional Response on how the Imperium defends itself. It's very informative and would paint a great picture.
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel
Thanks! That means a lot!
While most other reaction videos can provide fun content by showing normies react to stuff like WH 40k lore, you also add a LOT of intelligent, insightful and informative commentary. That made me sub and ring the bell instantly.
Thanks! I'm happy to share my knowlege!
Great video! Loving the dives into real world examples. I think a good analogy for the adeptus mechanicus and the imperium is the relationship between the Japanese imperial army and navy during WW2. Both fighting for the same nation and cause but more often than not in direct competition with one another and frequently undermining the other organization.
That is another great example. I can imagine the cultures between the two were very different as well.
Not to mention the AdMech has mirrors to almost every Imperial organisation (own armies, navy, exploratory/colonization corps, etc...) and produces/maintains almost every piece of high-tech equipment in the Imperium.
The need for their services and some serious theological gymnastics on both sides are about the only things keeping the ecclesiarchy from grabbing their torches and pitchforks.
The Imperium is more like the Holy Roman Empire than anything else.
That is a great analogy
@@CombatVeteranReacts renegade worlds is pretty common in 40k, but being that there's about roughly a million imperial world, a few dozen rogue planet barely affect the wider scope of the Imperium.
Of course, that doesn't stop from the High Lord of Terra being all pissy about it.
@@awalkingfire2176 Very little stops the High Lords of Terra from being pissy.
@@brigidtheirish like when they tried to turn on the ultramarine primarch
@@tylerdunn9683 Yeah. That was a bad idea.
Regarding the East German Stasi, the name your looking for is perhaps Walter Ulbricht, also responsible for the Berlin Wall.
Ah, I think that's right. Thank you
And later Honecker.
The thing that should make you afraid is how you can apply the StaSi to the U.S. right now. The acronym StaSi means Staats Sicherheit which translates directly into National Security .. for which there is now an agency that tries to find enemies of the state ...
Sometimes villagers in the Middle East do not even know that you're part of a Nation
Lol
Historically, this was common in the middle ages because of poor information, communication and no trade or travel. Not only that but, they were often to fight with the next town - that they're distantly related to familialy - in the adjacent valley over and fued, rather than fight other nations or people.
@@bryanl1984 it really makes you wonder the Middle East is just barbarians with guns the small pockets of civilization living within ruined Cities just think if it were not for the supervision of the world superpowers Israel in all its might could conquer the Middle East and to maybe even Egypt for a little payback
@@LegatusLucius1994 That's because my friend they are not just "barbarians with guns" like you might think. Truth is much more complex than just some stereotype but that's always case.
@@Mecha82 I meant that as an over-exaggeration
I have gained valuable insight into my government (us) and how important the structure really is, it really puts into perspective how little history is actually valued and how little the average person understands that what is happening now is as a result of what happened even just 30 years prior, thank you.
I love it when people step into 40k and are like, "this seems interesting? Tell me more."
Us 40k lore lovers are like, "Can you handle how over the top this is about to get?"😎
Nice reaction man! Caesar wasn't deified until after his death though and his cult didn't displace the already existing ones afaik.
Ah, you are right, Octavian had Caesar deified probably for the same basic reason, to give his rule a divine mandate.
Probably true, though considering Caesar's popularity with the common people I don't think they minded overly much. And Octavians descendants earned major bragging rights by being able to claim descent from not one but two divine figures.
@@CombatVeteranReacts TO be precise, Caesar claimed to descend from Venus herself, long before his ascension to power. It was a nargument to make him appear to have the favor of at least one powerfull goddess. But it was not uncommon in this era : the spartans claimed to be the offspring of Heracles himself and many other persons of power claimed to have godly blood in their veins ;)
@@famillebeaulieu-luangkham2923 AFAIK Caesar's entire family (Iulius) claimed that. Also not only from Venus, but Aeneas, who was supposed to be the leader of the refugees from Troy. See Vergilius's Aeneid. (although Virgil wrote that one for Octavian/Augustus, the myth is older than that.)
@@istvankarolyfarkas6125 Thanks for the precision ;) I suppose it's logical : if Iulius Caesar claimed to be a descendant of Venus, it implies that many of his ancestors, and siblings would/had also claim that ! Even possible that they really believed it themselves ! For Aeneas (Enée in french) I also knew it, but most of the roman nobility claimed to have a lineage getting back to Aeneas, as most wasps in the US claimed to originate from the immigrants of the Mayflower ;)
Great channel, the analysis through historical and geopolitical lens adds more value than most reactors.
Imagine if all satellite navigation were destroyed or disabled and then imagine trying to sail from America to Europe whilst not even your compass doesn’t work
And the sun is rising in the south east and the west at the same time.
There's a lot of Dune in 40K, but also a lot of straight up fantasy as well.
I love the way to throws all the elements together and still makes it work!
@@CombatVeteranReacts Rule number one in scifi, everything has influence from Dune or at least it leads back to it. Star wars for example. Because Dune is almost older than Bible.
The Astronomicon is more like a Warp lighthouse, but otherwise you’re right.
7:00 That is correct: the Astronomicon is some sort of beacon for space-ships traveling through the Warp. Since the Warp, in its current state, is like a perpetually stormy ocean, it would be impossible for any "Navigator" (the only people capable of tracking a route in that... "place") to know where their ship is or where it is going without the "pole star" represented by the Astronomicon.
Its almost exactly like Polaris or a lighthouse. Cool! Thanks!
@@CombatVeteranReacts indeed it is! And it only costs 1000 souls a day sacrificed to the god-emperor to keep it going! What a bargain! ;-)
Being an Imperial Navigator is to answer the question "Where is your God now?"
@@thedragon133 couldn't ask any other way.
You should check out Bricky's "Every 40k faction explained" videos. He does a great job of explaining things in layman's terms and even though both videos are 40 mins long, he's entertaining enough to keep you engaged. Up to you if you want to do a reaction.
You should watch their video on Cadia as well... Obligatory "The planet broke before the guard!"
**SOBS**
Not usually a fan of reaction content but here you are really adding value, your knowledge of national structures is impressive.
Keep it up this is really good stuff.
Thanks for watching! I'm trying to actually add value to the content.
Good to see a newbie getting a great grip on the lore and using personal experience to describe and define the lore helpfully
I will forever sigh that we no longer have that voice for Templin videos. She lent it just the right air of somber respect. :)
That was too tier narration
So, to go FTL you open a gate, step into the warp and move a distance, then open a gate and hope you come out in a location you attempted to get to. Think the Movie Event Horizon. The Emperor's golden throne is a light house beacon that can be seen in the warp. So, navigators, do math based off that light.
You get( more or less) WHERE you want to go, but.... sometime.... i'ts WHEN you get here that's a problem... or even IF you get there at all. S**t happens in the warp.
@@marcuskylemarcuskyle222 Again, like Event Horizon, which kinda feels like it should've been a Warhammer 40K movie.
Keep up the great reactions my guy
Thanks! Will do!
Think of the astronomicon as a magical north star. without it you can't properly orient yourself in the warp and have no idea which direction you're going.
6:44 Yeah Dune as been one of the greatest inspirations for the guys at GW when they made the lore for 40k back in the 80's.
Thats why there is some similarities and some themes that are recurrent.
GW just added the whole fantasy aspect with Futuristic Space Orcs and Space Elves( Orks & Eldars) and Psychic powers been seen as sorcery by the superstitious citizens of the Imperium.
One thing to point out with the Inquisition within the Imperium, as a normal Imperial citizen or an Imperial Guard commander, you wont know they exist until an Inquisitor is at your doorstep commandeering your regiment or taking control of your neighborhood with stormtroopers searching for an objective
Dont forget the one by bricky
It sounds good, but at an hour long, I would need to do it in probably 5 or 6 parts lol
@@CombatVeteranReacts to be fair ya wouldn't be the first, countless reaction channels tend to split his two videos into 3-4 parts per video.
@@CombatVeteranReacts It's a great video. It's guaranteed to get you some views even if the editing is real difficult.
Thank you for reminding us phallic individual
What you said about the Inquisition is interesting, and probably also true, I'm pretty sure Games Workshop's main inspiration was the Spanish Inquisition.
Do you plan on checking out Templin Institute's video on Cadia as well?
I can check it out!
It’s similar to a state militia where you have the army, national guard and then state militia
Good point. I forgot many states have authorized state militia in addition to the NG
Subbed! The fact that you not only have emotional reactions but share your thoughts and ideas concerning whatever it is you watch is awesome.
Thanks for watching!
Ye Templin dose some great content.
Yes they do
My favorite of their's was the greater terran union series.
@@CombatVeteranReacts Bricky also does a good, humor filled run down on all factions.
@@CombatVeteranReacts Their Imperial Guard video is a good one
Highly suggest Brickies video introducing all the factions in 40k. Its simply tremendous and he put a lot of work and effort into the video
A.I. isn't used on a huge scale it's used In unison with a human element like a servitor or just having to plug in to keep it from getting lose.
Please check out the stunning 40k animation "The last Church", which is a visualization of the short novelle by the same name.
Absolute must, haven't a clue why no more tubers have done so, though it has only been out a week or so.
The Emperor of Mankind is a *STRONG* aethist. The last thing that he ever wanted to do was to be a god. He did not force godhood on to his people. His people has forced "Godhood" onto him though non consensual worship. Being how the warp works now he is a "Kind of" god you can say.
It seems strange that in a universe with active chaos gods, the person who is acutely aware of them is still an atheist. But is it a case of people's belief in them manifests or empowers them?
hes the god of atheism
@@CombatVeteranReacts The Emperor's idea was so spread atheism throughout the galaxy to limit the amount of worship and raw emotions that the Chaos gods and their minions could feed off of and effectively starve the chaos gods into obscurity. It's a big reason why they took such direct action that started the Horus Hersey.
@@CombatVeteranReacts Yes very much so.The more people believe the more power. That is how the warp works. Atheism is the way to kill chaos as it works the other way around, that if none believes in them they will starve and die. Remember that the emperor did not want to become a god but everyone else wanted him to be one so it was forced upon him because that is how the warp works.
@@theflamewithin12 Yep. The Emperor and His plans were and, to some extent, still are the greatest threat the Chaos Gods have ever faced. There's a reason why they call Him the Anathema, and they chose direct attacks on His Imperium rather than quiet subterfuge as they have against ancient humanity and other races.
"Just tracking a million worlds would be impossible" yeah, planets have been won and lost before a registration form has passed through the bureaucracy informing the wider imperium of either fact.
Ah bureaucracy!
I gotta say, you really hit the ringer with these observations and base guesses with this video. Like you actually got a lot of things right with this video even if you arent a 40k fan. Good job m8
I think what was meant with the slow reaction time of the feudal system, is that often, the imperium must muster the force of several planetes and systems to combat a specific threat, so instead of having a high command that calls the forces needed directly, you have to coordinate various governors and star systems who may not be used to working together at all
I will have to learn more about the imperium to determine if it more resembles a feudal system or a authoritarian system
@@CombatVeteranReacts
its a heavily redundant feudal confederation of several powers ranging from the AdMech who are formal Allies to the Emperor when he brokered the Treaty of Mars to the Navigator Houses who broker all ship contracts.
In essence each of the Lord of Terra manage nations in their own right.
as to the why they are set up this way is because of message lag and signal degradation, any message sent via FTL can take from days to decades depending on local circumstances and could be so garbled as to be dismissed as background noise. meaning each sector on up could be completely cut off and so must handle everything by itself.
What I love about your videos vs other reaction/lore channels is that rather than regurgitating the same information or reading straight from the codex entries or novels you delve deeper and draw parallels to our modern or historical societies/cultures and make the lore easier to comprehend. I’ve certainly read about the inquisition and watched other videos on the topic and know who and what they are, but I never quite understood why they were necessary or their true purpose when there are other specialized branches for nearly every problem the imperium faces. Explaining how and why the “Strong Man” structures their governments the way they do shed light on the subject for me and has cleared up earlier misconceptions I had. Excellent work.
As a side note before the Imperium, humanity was a galaxy spanning empire with technology leaps and bounds ahead of what the mechanicus or imperium currently posses. They relied heavily upon the use of AI to assist in governing, defending, and building their societies which ended up being their downfall. To keep an incredibly complex bit of lore short some of the AIs (Men of Iron) determined that humanity was inferior and deserved to be eradicated and set upon the task. The destruction that was wrought in the ensuing conflict is beyond comprehension, trillions of lives lost, entire planets destroyed in seconds, and all manner of commerce was disrupted resulting in entire planet populations starving to death. Even after the eventual triumph of humanity over the men of iron the damage was done. Warp storms raged across the galaxy unleashing impossible horrors and interstellar travel was nigh impossible. Whole systems were cut off from the empire and devolved into feral societies or were outright destroyed. The Xenos races, sensing weakness, set upon the survivors looting and pillaging whatever was left of the once great empire. So horrible was this “Age of Strife”, as it would come to be known, that the mere mention of using AI is sure to see you killed on the spot. It was also the emperor of mankind who pulled humanity out of this dark age and uplifted the species to once again dominate the galaxy, until the Horus Heresy. That’s a story for another time though, definitely worth a look since there are numerous battles to dissect and tactics to explore.
Fun fact the emperor knew Administration would be his biggest challenge and that no human could ever do it so he made the primarchs to be administers before chaos kidnapped them.
Going on what you said in the start about cataloging worlds, it’s not unheard of for planets to be entirely forgotten about and request for aid to be backlogged years and when they finally get to it the world is either already lost or the battle was won.
This is why I can't tell if the imperium is feudal or authoritarian. Since that wouldn't happen in a feudal system
I think its a mix. The problem with the imperium is that it is a totalitarian state but it is so large that it is on the verge of collapsing under the weight of its own bulk. Thus many planets are more or less left to govern themselves so long as they worship the god emperor and pay imperial tithes.
Your comøarison to thr leaders of factions taking over for stalin is very apt, the highlords of Terra is comprised of the leaders of the church/inquisition, mechanicus and so on.
What you're describing for feudal europe is also very much how the imperium deals with foreign threats, as one world gets attacked it sends out calls for help to "nearby" planets for help. As an invasion gets deeper, more and more world are notified.
Really liking the historical references, looking forward to more videos!
Thanks! It's cool to see how much WH40K draws on the real world
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@@sanahoi3785 oh haha, im sorry. My mistake 😊 thank u for making me aware of my mispelling 😊
@@alejandroo330 sry if i came up as rude, but orc are for the completely different game so I believed it's better not to confuse people
cheers
@@sanahoi3785 That is completely right! :)
Wow this was a real surprise and treat. I have a pretty good capture on the lore (1000s of hours and dozens of books) 40k is a Goliath.
Still, somehow you walk into my dojo and actually added value, dude..
You won my respect as both a history buff and a black library veteran with this near heretical breakdown of the 4th wall.
The Inquisition/Historically accurate equivalent will be at your door before long, but you have gain a subscriber.
The Emperor/Pharaoh Protects!
If you are looking for more lore videos, check out Oculus Imperia. He does a great "in universe" explanation of lore. His video on the men of gold, stone, and iron will help you understand the no AI thing.
Now you have fallen into the rabbit hole there is no return
This is the real chaos god. I'm haunted by visions of painting an army of space marines....
The imperium's banned AI because what happened during in the time of "Man of Iron", and currently using machine spirits.
You nailed the book keeping on the head. The imperium barely notices when planets are lost
There's definitely a ton of Dune in 40k, it's arguably the one most important influence, even more so than Starship Troopers. The abscence of AI you cite also comes from there, something that's called the Batlerian Jihad, I think.
Ah yes, Dunes Butlerian Jihad! So many fictional universes with skynet probs
I can't even describe how good your reactions are, man! The commentary is intelligent, and every time you stop the video I either learn something, or enjoy the sharing of your experiences and such. Subscribed.
I Appreciate that! Thank you!
I came here for some random evening entertainment...
I left with an education in politics, civics and history, sponsored by the Imperium of Man.
Liked and subscribed.
The Emperor protects.
Honestly man, you give stuff this whole other dimension of knowledge and information. Your channel is a gold mine!
Best reaction so far I like your commentary
I appreciate that. Part two is later this week!
Did you just insinuate that the emperor is a corpse? A corpse emperor?
The words of a heretic.
I mean....uh....he's...just...resting...for his ...uh....battle...with...chaos?
The Emperor is like a light house in the warp.
Navigators are people with a gene mutation that not only grows them a third eye, this eye can look into the warp without the navigator going nuts. Mortals looking into the eye of a navigator die horribly (like collapsing in agony with blood running out of their eyes and such).
The navigator gene is recessive and navigator families (houses) arrange marriages. They basically are another faction.
During warp travel the navigator is plugged into the ship's computer from his chamber to steer the ship through anomalies and away from entities that could endanger the ship during warp travel.
It is possible to navigate the warp outside of the Emperor's light but mostly navigators from Chaos factions learned how to do so as they commonly want to go to the opposite direction.
Other psykers have the ability to navigate the warp as well, like Space Marine Librarians.
The navigator is so important though, that boarding parties sometimes go out to kill the navigator to prevent the ship from jumping away, while other groups try to reach the bridge and other targets.
Because the video sounded like Mechanicum was just some group of crazy semi-heretical priests: The double headed eagle of the Imperium of Man represents the alliance of Earth/Humans and Mars/Mechanicum. The Emperor's flag just had one eagle head and some lightning bolts. In a novel about the Night Lords Chaos Space Marines even they are still pretty diplomatic around their (Dark) Mechanicum allies running the ship, choosing their words wisely and honoring them.
It does not mean that they are always safe on the Chaos ship. There is a lot of scheming going on.
Fun fact regarding religion: The emperor wanted to root out religion everywhere during the great crusade (you might want to watch "The Last Church" fan movie on yt). But during the Horus Heresy the Space Marines and humans got first contact with warp powers like demons and they found out that having faith helped them and it gave them hope. As the Emperor died, this religion got stronger.
But the Space Marines originally were sent to spread the "imperial truth" that there are no gods. Big E kept it a secret that Chaos gods exist and saw Chaos as the biggest threat.
The Stasi went against everybody. There were married couples where one partner worked for the Stasi and secretly ratted out the spouse. They wanted to know everything, read all letters that went through their fingers, they tapped telephones, bugged houses and spied on people.
Watch the Movie Event Horizon , in That movie humans found Hell or they call it the Warp because Hell Warps your being and is filled with Demons.
Really interesting hearing your perspective in the context of the warhammer universe especially as a combat veteran.
You should watch their video on the Emperor of Mankind
You are partially right about the GPS. Think of the Astronomicon as more of a light house that you can see from anywhere in the galaxy. You are basically doing land nav with a known fixed point. The Navigators find the Astronomicon and that way they know where Terra/Earth is. So they can then take into account where they are and figure out what course they need to take to go to another place.
you definitely have a better grasp of the Warhammer lore than most reactors despite it being your first time really diving into it.
The Warhammer 40k novels are fantastic. Reading some of the Black Library novels helped me keep my sanity when I was in the Kunar Province back in '11-'12.
Another N2KL vet! I was in Nangarhar in 10-11. Nangarhar was pretty kinetic when I was there, but Kunar was on another level. Glad you're stateside. I'll check out those novels
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Thanks man, The Long Walk was a bad call (not 40k, that book is fantastic but depressing) but I thoroughly enjoyed Gaunts Ghosts (a great series for any grunt) and the Blood Angels omnibus (though I've heard that it's not technically canon anymore). I was just an 11b so I wasn't anything special super secret squirrel but I did feel privileged to have worked with some amazing people in the VSO program. I do miss the Kunar every now and then, what an absolutely beautiful country a true shame we had to be there under those circumstances though.
It's always been a treat to see people dip their toes into the ocean of lore that is Warhammer 40k. But I have to say, this has to be one of the better reactions I've seen to this video! Other than just acknowledging the absolute insanity that is 40k, and showing interest in knowing more, I really liked the comparison with real life examples. Discussing it like this lends a lot more depth to what's being shown in the lore video, and goes a long way to showing how you're legitimately interested in this universe, and will help a lot in connecting with the community
Man this analysis is so great, please continue with warhammer stuff you have a very unique perspective.
Thanks for watching!
The crucial point about the Imperium is communication and travel, or rather the inefficiency thereof. Empires tend to be limited by their ability to move orders, information, troops, good and supplies. Hence the Roman Empire was mostly centered about the Mediterranean because ships were fast and extended where roads were practical. Egypt was mostly centered about theNile, China was also centered around rivers.
The Imperium is extremely far-flung and travel is slow, hazardous and travel times can vary enormously. Communication is extremely difficult, relying on messages on ships or astropaths (specialized telepaths) who are rare, not completely reliable due to warp interferences and limited in range. (admittedly, that range is quite variable)
In the end it's more like a lot of islands in a stormy ocean. Not exactly comparable to what we think as Empires. The Imperium mostly cares about tithes, troop levies, control of psykers and reverence to the Imperial Cult. Even that can deviate somewhat.
Due to its immense and nebulous nature, if some planet or planets begin to move toward secession or heresy, it might litteraly take decades or centuries for the information to filter up, decision to be made and armies to be assembled to deal with the problem. Which means a Lord could create some little Star Empire and be somewhat sucessful... Then his son suddenly sees a fleet arrive and kill off him, his family and a lot of the civilians, or even wipe off his home planet.
That explains in part the extreme violence of some of the Imperial methods. The point is to remind its subjects that, if they stray, the retribution will be terrible. So that generations will remember in fear. The Emperor Protects, but fear His Wrath.
Like the space marines, nothing feels "lite" in 40K. Everything is massive, heavy, and usually being propelled at disturbing velocities. The losses are heavy, the gains are heavy, the precautions and counter measures are heavy. Saying the universe, let alone the imperium has weight to throw around still feels like a massive understatement.
Not sure if it will be covered in later vids. But Empire they have area responce system for invaders. Which is similar to what you described as feudal lords taking up arms against invaders. The whole slow and tedium comes when Empire decides to launch a crusade or similar massive invasion.
On the note of Feudal Armies being fast vs slow, feudalism, as you mentioned, is very effective at dealing with small, localized threats where only one constituent force needs to be mustered--like for viking raids in medieval Europe and minor Ork Incursions or Dark Eldar pirate raids in 40k--but the modularity of such armies is a bit overstated; since each micro-army was ultimately loyal to their local Lord, not the central authority, they only marched to join a larger unified army when their local Lord let them, and like with the local chieftains in Afghanistan, their loyalty was frequently lip-service level, meaning that whenever the next level up the feudal chain calls for aid, if the local Lord decides it isn't in his best interest to listen to the summons he can drag his feet almost indefinitely by "losing" the summons or imagining up a local threat that their forces are "too busy" dealing with to join the main force. And the only thing the next lord up the chain can do to convince them otherwise is march HIS army down there to convince them in person. Or maybe they'll send a token force to say "I'm here" while keeping their main force in reserve at home to protect from their pesky next door neighbor and the King ordering the army to assemble has to assure them that, yes, his neighbor is being asked to bring their whole army too before they'll agree to send for the rest. Thus rapid to deploy on against local threats where the Lord is protecting HIS lands from HIS enemy, and defensive actions in general where the enemy is likely to affect them by looting and pillaging indiscriminately, but could be even slower to muster on mass than more centralized premodern armies for larger, more distant, or more actively offensive campaigns. 40k's Imperium works the same way, it is very good at mustering local Imperial Guard regiments to stop minor localized threats, but when a massive horde of Tyranids swarms a system, their neighbors will quickly raise more regiments of their own Guard, but it will take a bit of convincing to decide it's THEIR job to send THEIR regiments off to deal with it if it's not currently attacking them and they don't think they're next on the list. To convince them otherwise they either need to see proof that they're in the path of the army and it won't be stopped by a more mobile or more local entity or be convinced by someone up the chain of command with real power to ruin their day if they refuse to comply.
Also, Games Workshop is a British Company, so a lot of the specific details they were drawn from examples from the height of the British Empire (especially British Imperial India and the British Empire's own troubled and drawn out wars in Afghanistan) and from the Roman Empire--the US teaches the broad strokes of Roman history pretty well, but my understanding is that the British education system goes into almost as much detail there as with their own history--as well as the same WWII and Cold War stuff you mentioned. So some examples they were inspired by are probably different from the ones you mentioned, but people are still people everywhere, so a lot of the same takeaways apply. And yes, Dune was a major influence as well.
And you completely hit it on the nail when you mentioned taxes. This is the only thing Imperium actually cares about as far as compliance goes. As long as the world pays it's taxes and tithes, Imperium kind of doesn't care. You can do whatever the hell you want. You can have a monarchy, oligarchy or a full blown constitutional democracy on your planet. You pay your taxes? You're good.
Imperium in many ways much less totalitarian than people make it out to be. Not for the lack of trying. It simple can't afford being totalitarian. Not enough resources to enforce stuff. So they basically ended up with theocratic oligarchy as their main "federal" government body, while local governments can be pretty much whatever.
Hell, often enough Imperium doesn't even particularly care if a bunch of local loyal worlds decide to fight it out in between themselves, as long as they keep paying taxes and don't endanger the Imperium.
That is extremely feudal. Feudalism is a pretty low tech way to manage a large area, if all you care about is extracting taxes and tribute
the Emperors Beacon is more like an intergalaktic Northstar, so Navigation is like old sailing without a compass
Best way I heard to sum up the astronomicon is a north star in the warp by which ships can navigate.
I see you are a man of culture as well (regarding the Garand Thumb refference)
Glad someone picked it up!
Do Templin Institute Orks! Pretty please!
Also love your videos! Keep up the good work mate! I just subsriped to your channel, because I like your videos and I like to support military vets in general. I don't care which country's army someone did serve, but i will respect your service! Me granpa did serve in Finnish army as sniper in Continuation War and he is me personal hero. He also had very bad PTSD as he re-lived horrors he witnessed every day and night, but still did do his work as farmer, lumberjack and world's best granpa anyway...
So least I can do is support any other vet to honour him.
In the novel Brothers of the Snake, a bratty daughter from some planetary noble house viewed some Space Marines as common soldiery, and even shot one with her pistol for not respecting her enough, (spoiler: he didn't even feel it). The second that Space Marine flashed an Inquisitorial symbol, she ran away screaming. THAT'S how much fear the Inquisiton generates.
Okay so a few things there, firstly I really liked your commentary. Definatly seem to know your politics and the history of power and states and I like that.
I in particular liked your comment about how in totalitarian systems organisations can be pitted against each other (this is 100% a thing in the imperium). A lot of cross-organisational squabbling and distrust, even rivalries and open violence at times.
Also your bit about how you want your fighting forces need to be big enough to be effective but not so powerful that it could be a threat to the state. This is actual legislation in the imperium.
Early on the imperial army was a massive mixed fighting force or infantry, artillery, armour, air force and even the navy. The space marines were organised into legions which were around 100,000 marines or more with tremendous resources, autonomy and the legions and the Primarchs thatched them superseded the Imperial Army, meaning they could take control of their operations or requisition their regiments at their leisure.
After a massive civil war where have the legions, Primarchs and their imperial army attachments rebelled against the Emperor the Codex Imperiallis was drafted.
Given the amount of political and destructive power commanded by even a single legion the armed forces were completely restructured. The legions were broken down into 1000 man Chapters no longer had to follow their primarch but could be ordered around by segmentum command or the High Lords. The Imperial army was split into the Imperial Guard and the Imperial Navy. Now if a regiment wanted to rebel it would have direct control over the transport to move around, and if an admiral had similar ideas he wouldn't necessarily have the manpower or troops to take a planet.
Likewise Gueard regiments were specialised to be Armour, artillery infantry, etc. This way no one regiment would have the tools necessary to pose a threat on their own and loyal regiments had to cooperate to be effective.
Lastly the Imperium is very much feudal. Threats are usually left to be dealt with by the local command. So a planetary governor would use his forces to deal with the crisis but if that wasnt enough then it would spread out to sub-sector, sector, then segmentum command. The higher up the chain it goes and more and more disparate organisations needed to get involved the slower and more numerous the response would be. If it got up to the high lords of terra then by the time they received it, approved it, corralled whoever they needed send and got there then it could be either 2 late or decades to centuries after the call for help was sent
6:53, boom, this guy has already nailed it. Frank Herbert's Dune. You should have already gotten it with the whole God-Emperor thing, but yeah. Warhammer takes massive influence from all sorts of popular media. Dune, Star Wars, Starship Troopers, Judge Dredd, you name it, it's in there somewhere.
I really liked your input and viewpoints. I really look forward to watching your journey through 40k
Welcome aboard!
First of all great video, I like how you express your thoughts and provide real life analogies. Also if you want to learn more about warhammer I highly recommend Every Warhammer 40K faction explained by Bricky. He does an amazing job of explaining key parts of the lore and factions.
You were mostly right about the Navigators, WH40K nicked some elements from dune (amongst many other things). Although, for their navigators it is way more hazardous. They have a special gene that makes them grow a third eye wich allows them to navigate the absolutely logic-free planes of the Warp while using the Astronomicon as a sort of North-star to orientate (since, again, NO logic and coherence in the Warp, so the light from the Astonomicon gives that consistency needed). And problems still occur: ocassionally ships exit the Warp decades or even centuries after OR BEFORE they entered. there were cases in wich a ship entered Realspace BEFORE some of the crew were even born!
As for the high-Lords....imagine some administrators particularly incompetent, to the point that killing them is considered a valid solution, now give them life-extension drugs and cybernetics, so they keep office for circa 10000 years or so.
And A.I. is a BIG No-No. they are so terrified of it that to them ”A” stands for ”Abominable”.
Ceaser did not make himself a god Octavian and Antony said he was after his assassination however he was the head priest of the Roman pantheon but even that happened before he became dictator.
You're right, caesars deification was postumous. I think it still served the same function- to tie the current caesar as civil leader to the religion
If the inquisition shows up to your world, you know something is about to go down
I mean consolidating a large force from multiple lords can be fairly slow because some might hesitate or not want to help but yes on smaller scales individual lords can react a lot quicker.
I think you could find Arch's video "40k Lore, How the Imperium Reacts to Invaders!" interesting.
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It is very very entertaining to see a new person presented to this universe 😂 great video
The slow mobilization of forces in this sort of feudalism probably refers to big campaigns that require bigger than small imperial force (let's say more than just one guard regiment). They by themselves can respond quickly to threats that they can match, but if threat is big enough that it requires big force to defend or counterattack, it's much harder to get the required forces when you have to get them from several subfactions with their own interests (interests that are sometimes in conflict, not to mention that the subfactions themselves might also be in conflict with each other).
Your videos really add up with the additional info, trivia and comparisons. Makes me feel like i am learning a bit more beyond the video, which is great, reactions should add a new perspectives
I agree. Glad to enjoyed it!
It's the 40K universe they say they're psychic but also leave out the fact that they can do magic psychics are Mages
There is AI in the 40k universe. Computer code and AI is known as "Machine Spirits" they don't know how to code, but learned to talk to the code and just called it a spirit.