It is obvious that serious astrophotography gear is better than a little smart telescope, but the Seestar has enabled me to get back into astronomy after many years of my big telescope sitting in the corner getting dusty. I have serious physical disabilities, and couldn't lug the scope around anymore. Finally sold it, and bought a Seestar, and I can do astronomy from the couch. At the cottage, I can put it out on the rocks and do astronomy from indoors while we visit. It has changed my life. I can't wait for the tech to get better... I also don't have the $4000 for a Celestron Origin.
Additionally, I can take it literally anywhere, drop it literally anywhere and start imaging in less than a minute. I was able to take it with me for the solar eclipse, and despite heavy clouds at my location I was still able to get a very good time-laps out of it. It's almost purpose built for that. As the current most portable while still somewhat competent astrophotography set up, there's ton of value for what it is. All I wish is that they used a better camera.
Absolutely, but 4k is not needed Newtonian 6inch, astro camera like 533 used and second hand mount ( not am5) asiair, zwo mini guide scope and you are good 👍 for 1.5k I'd you are savvy 😊
@@chrzanik666 he's refrencing the Origin's 4k smart scope cost. Yes a 6in Newt can be done for cheaper. Though to be honest the older mounts(I have NEQ6 and LXD75) while cheaper come with tradeoffs in the manual adjustment and drive performance accuracy to get them truly 'cheap'.
I bought a Seestar S50 5 months ago and have used it extensively. It is an awesome piece of technology given it's $500 price tag. For me, it was a good introduction into astrophotography. I used Stellarium to plan out my imaging sessions, and did stacking and processing the data just as is done with a traditional rig. I learned a lot because the S50 made it easy to learn. Now, I want more. I'm putting together a wide field refractor rig with dedicated astro camera and ASIAir. The Seestar was the bait that got me hooked on astrophotography.
The more you spend, the better the results. The decision on HW selection include factors other than cost. Weight. I and many others have physical challenges that limit how much I can lift and carry around. How many big rigs are collecting closet dust. Time. We all strive for perfection however, accepting, good enough, must be included. Anything after that becomes an obsession. Hobbies are supposed to be enjoyed during off/down time. Do what makes YOU happy, not what someone else thinks you should do. This video is one of the best I've watched in a long time. Thank you for keeping it real. S50 and S30 owner.
Always enjoy your work, bought the S50 for outreach work, my neighbours love it, got the Edge 8" as a gift from my late wife, sadly I'm not in a position to buy a new mount and all the gear that ZWO supplies, now it sits there as a constant reminder of what could have been, but it will never be sold, some memories are just to important, keep up the great work, as your enthusiasm is contagious.
You really outdid yourself on this video. Outstanding way to provide a great comparison of the offerings of both technologies……very entertaining AND very informative! Bravo!
Totally agree with the outcome. Of course a $5000 rig gets far better pictures than a $500 rig. But as you mentioned in the end, the S50 is loveable and worth taking around. And to be honest, if you have $5000 to spend and only use 10% of that for the S50, it's worth to have both of them.
The SeeStar is, at the end of the day a 50mm refractor, therefore to me the only comparison should be against something similar, say a Red Cat 51. I have such a set up for Grab and go. In fully auto mode the whole rig would cost around £2,500 in the UK, the SeeStar C50 is around £500 Do I think my rig is better? Yes Do I think it's worth the extra £2000? Probably not, but..... all the components can be used with other rigs, and I can use the scope with any of the cameras I own, I can also use the mount with my DSLR for wide field and nightscape photography and it will also handle my Lunt LS50 Ha scope for solar observing/imaging. So the bottom line is versatility. Smart scopes are great for what they are designed to do, which is to allow people to view and record some of the wonders of the night sky at a very affordable price. They were never designed or intended to replace equipment at the top end. Think about it, why would companies such as ZWO undercut themselves? They want people to buy their expensive products. They actually do have the components to build a simple smart 80 mm refractor. If you buy their latest 8Omm scope, an AM3 or 5 mount and the latest ASI2600MC camera with built in guide chip and ASIair you basically will have an 80mm EQ mounted smart scope. I think ZWO are offering the SeeStar at a very reasonable price in the hope of building a loyal customer base, some of whom may go on to purchase their more expensive products. I don't see anything wrong with thisvstratergy, or smart telescopes either. If it gets more people interested then that can only be a good thing. At the end of the day, the best scope is the one you always enjoy using, price is irrelevant.
80APO+AM3 in bundle $3,000 ASIair plus shutter cable and mount $300 ASI2600 MM DUO $2,300 I would also include a filter wheel and filters. That's easily a $6,000 package just from ZWO and then you need a power supply. Yikes! No wonder people go for the SeeStar. If they make a SeeStar80, it's gonna undercut their own product line massively. If it's around $1300-1500, I'd buy one for sure.
@Dominian1 yeah, welcome to the world of astro photography where the manufacturers believe everything is cheap if it's twice the price of what it should be! Actually you could build a cheaper rig than that. The reason I selected the ASI2600MC air is because it has an ASIair mini pc and guide camera chip built in so you don't need all the extra cables etc. It has been said that ZWO would have been better putting the ASIair in the mount, it makes more sense. You could also half the price of the mount by using a Ju Wei 17 which works with the ASI air, a filter wheel is not necessary, a filter drawer will do and is much cheaper. You could even buy a cheaper 80mm OTA from another manufacturer. The whole point is to use the ASI2600 MC air camera as this keeps the rig nice and simple with the minimum of cables etc and has more or less the same control functions as the SeeStar and is also easy to set up. The main reason the See Star is so cheap is because of the components they use, the are not bad quality they are just at the low end. If they used an IMX585 sensor for example, you would probably find it would almost double in price and if they used an IMX571 ( the chip they use in the ASI 2600 cameras ) forget about it being a cheap scope especially if they made an 80mm version . As I said there's nothing wrong with Smart Scopes for what they are, in fact I regularly recommend people new to astronomy consider buying one. But if you want a rig where you can change the camera or even the OTA and employ guiding to enable long exposures I'm afraid you are going to have to spend a lot of money. Most people do this over a number of years. At the end of the day it's all about enjoyment. Plenty of people love their See Stars because they do exactly what they want them to. I don't see any problem with that.
False dichotomy. There is no battle for the soul of anything. I also have a $5000-ish rig and a Seestar, and I tend to use the Seestar more b/c of its convenience. Still love using both. It's a hobby, so you should be enjoying it. Smart telescopes are a very exciting development in amateur astronomy, and they're only going to get better. I'm looking forward to what comes next.
i get that a lot of astronomers are angry at these new 'smart' telescopes entering the market as it 'strips the fun' out of astrophotography, however, it allows more people who are interested to take amazing photos of their own without having to possibly struggle for years, unable to work equipment which is much more expensive. i think its a good thing
Life is too short to spend 6 hrs or more to get the perfect image of one object/night and that doesn't include the hour or so of set up time and problems one encounters with expensive and heavy rigs. I just want to see what I could never see in a Bortle 7 area with a device a bit larger than a lunch box.
Having a ton of gear and an S50 I love your lighthearted approach. At this point I'm more pleased with the quick views of targets the little S50 affords. I think a rematch is necessary, a 'round 2' video with the premise of 'Tour of the skies' with a time limit of 5 minutes per target. This is where the S50 really draws toward the typical astroviewer/starhopping amateur. With only a few hours the S50 can tour and show 10 objects quickly with enough detailed character to enjoy immediately and then look back over after the session without having to go through a ton of processing. With some break in the weather last Monday I was able to use the little S50 to view about 10 targets from the Moon & Saturn all the way to an innocuous star field in the Saggitarius region. A few open and globulars, planetary and nebulous targets, all with just a short amount of time according to target type. I haven't gone the route of attempting EQ shooting with the S50 yet, but that should narrow the gap too if able even to expose 30s intervals. I guess in a few years we'll likely have even smarter little scopes able to do more, so your video will be a good testament to how things will have changed by then.
I'm a beginner astrophotography and desire to photograph planets and deep sky. My current equipment limits me to only photograph close celestial bodies and emission nebulae. I have my eye on the Celestron CGX 11 Edge HD for an ideal rig, but a smart telescope would be more practical for me since I live in an apartment and space is limited. However, the Celestron rig would give me much longer exposure with the CGX mount and the 2800 mm focal length would get me those decent planetary shots. I suppose I could use a wedge for the smart telescope, but I've read reviews where the exposure time is still limited with a wedge because of trailing. If a smart telescope manufacturer ever developed a smart telescope for planetary imaging with a good GoTo mount, I think I would go that route just for the ease of storage and portability. Thanks for these comparison images! It helps with my decision making ...
I like your kind of told story about astronomy. I bought a seestar s50 and this device makes a lot of fun. For this low price it is a very good astronomical guided camera with amazing results in photos. i am living in Essen / Germany and the most nights are cloudy. But is it clear, i spend the whole night on my balcony with the seestar s50. Thank you for your great videos and best wishes from Germany. Norbert Meyer
Fun comparison. I liked your choice of music for each telescope! You managed to get a lot out of the Seestar image with post processing. I assume you used narrow band filters on your Edge setup. How much time did you spend on each example with your Edge setup?
Hi Wido Hilarious and fun video. Recv my s50 2 weeks ago, and of course cloudy nights. Did get great shots of the sun. More convenient at a moments notice, than setting up my c8 only to get an hour or so.
On the first image session at about 5:40, I noticed your AM5 altitude adjustment handle move significantly as the mount was slewing. Apparently, it didn’t impact the session but was weird to see. Fun video and illustration of the pro/con of each system.
Wow seeing your photos gives me hope. I'm pretty close to you (downtown The Hague) and light pollution is always my main enemy when shooting with a non modified Nikon DSLR. I've already upgraded to a ZWO AM5 mount and am going to buy an FF80 refractor with 533MC PRO camera in a couple of months. Now seeing your pictures this really gives me hope to what is possible in our neck of the woods! Thanks for this awesome video (and I was thinking about buying a Seestar or Dwarf 3 for when going on holidays!)
Thanks so much! I'd advise you to look into narrowband imaging and (dynamic) background extraction in post processing, that really helps to combat light pollution.
Nice fun video ! Yes the smart telescopes are making reasonable images a reality for many more people. Even for serious astrophotographers will want to take them when traveling.
For sure! I just checked out the latest Dwarf 3 review: ua-cam.com/video/VNVGhkLareQ/v-deo.html -EQ mode is in the house now! Should I do another shootout? 😄
@@AstroForumSpace yes I just watched Cuivs tutorial. O and I just watched Interstellar again - your inspiration for your assistant/competitor ?. Yeah maybe a shootout with the Dwarf3. Also the Seestar does mosaics now. Darn I might have to buy something ....hey you interested in a lightly used ETX ? Would get me a smartscope andmight buy a cryogenic cooler for your imaging sensor ? Or you could piggyback it as a spotting scope ? 🙂
I wish S50 would really talk to me and astrophotography would never be so lonely....I strongly suggest that ZWO introduces talkable astrophotography robot as next version...
Why does everyone use the seestar 50 when they make videos like this? Go try the celestron origin and compare. Yeah you will still win with your setup I'm estimating, but it will be a lot closer, and the ease of use will be the determining factor for what people prefer.
I already had a guidescope when I bought the Edge HD 8", and despite the small guidescope it tracked well and I got round stars. So I never got into off-axis guiding.
What a wonderful presentation, and I hope to develop deep sky AP skills along the lines you have. I just got my first deep sky camera, the ASI-2600MC Duo, although bad weather hasn't permitted first light yet. The rest of my system consists of 4- and 5-inch Televue refractors, sitting on the AM5 & ASI-Air Plus. I think Seestar (minus any additional post-processing like you demonstrate) does exactly what its intended for, to provide instant snapshots of celestial objects for those who don't want the burden of what more in-depth AP entails. But serious astrophotography is about really getting dirty in the art and skills of high-end acquisition and image processing. Fox !
See Star has released new firmware update to compensate field rotation - "Sky Atlas Framing" - mosaic capture. Unfortunately, I was told it's such a headache to stack mosaic fits since it's on different region, so your output is what Sea Star stacked for you as an JPG - maybe I can stack these JPGs? I have Sea Star S50 and big rig like you (ES ED102 CF, ZWO 1600, AVX mount, Orion tracking scope/camera with ZWO EAF, and Pole master polar alignment scope). I had so much problem finding north pole in So. California city where i live, even with Pole master, I end up buying Star Sense. Unfortunately, I had issue with Star Sense and AVX mount, I end up purchasing ASIAir.... It's a big black whole for my money.... Sea Star other hand, gives less detail photo, but I was able to post it online for my friend already on first light. So easy to use.
Youll never beat the Pro set up. But this sort of smart scope allows those who want to dabble or take up astrophotography who don't have bottomless pockets or the space to store such equipment.
Great to have that review.. but sorry, it's already outdated because of the equatorial possibility of the Dwarf III.. I will always favor my own dedicated and well tuned equipments, but for $500, those automated telescope are absolutely fantastic and especially if they can now semi-auto align in EQ mode
This was a fun video - Thank You 😊 I started with Vespera, SeeStar, then built 3 AP rigs. I guess I’m the astronerd too. Note, still use the EAA scopes.
IMO the Seestar s50 is the most important innovation in amateur astronomy in the last 25 years. Its cheap easy to use and produces that wow factor to keep people interested. I wish the old dudes on astroforums who still push binoculars or a big dob as that first telescope would stop with that old school BS and embrace the future you are driving people away from astronomy by recommending what you think should be everyones first instrument. I swear the other day a guy recommended a 8 inch dob (big shocker there) and paper charts and told the person that a Seestar isnt considered a real astronomy tool something he knew alot about because that is what he is a tool.
My S50 is not now and never will be a replacement for my astro gear. It's a fun wee thing that gathers data while I fight with and swear at my big rig.
The problem I have with the Seestar is the resolving power. I would rather spend the time and money on a good astro rig to get a clean, clear image. One you can look at on a screen larger then a phone without the image falling apart. Now the Celestron Origin is one step closer in the right direction.
I would never get locked into such an expensive rig when just one component fails, you have a $4K brick sitting around. What the Celestron can do, the same can be done with a fantastic rig for $2500 with the same ease of use and quality.
This type of equipment, which cannot be upgraded, is very limited, and does not accept a Barlow lens or have a cooled camera, is designed for casual observation
Ok I was curious to see what would do the seestar. But what's the point of this comparison. Another UA-camr trick to catch more views. At least you could be fair with with newbies and neophytes and tell what's the cost of your full setup.
ua-cam.com/video/kOOqbenutaw/v-deo.html My serious review of the Seestar S50. For those who can't appreciate my humor 😉. The price of my rig is in the title description...
The processing timeon the human image is ridiculous......you need the Good expensive telescope with an advanced AI, that can do your quality processing of the s50 !
What satisfaction do people get from a scope and mount doing it all for you, the fun / skill is in the tinkering and setting up correctly, that way you've worked hard and earned the image 👍🏻
what satisfaction do people get from a goto mount doing it all for you? Real fun comes from using a star atlas and starhopping hard until you find the object you want.Come on, times are changing for everyone in this hobby.
The Celestron doesn't stand a chance. Pound for pound..... the Seestar wins. 🏆 Sorry that the Seestar questions your masculinity.. cough, cough... I mean your identity as an astro nerd 😂 Just messing around 😊
It is obvious that serious astrophotography gear is better than a little smart telescope, but the Seestar has enabled me to get back into astronomy after many years of my big telescope sitting in the corner getting dusty. I have serious physical disabilities, and couldn't lug the scope around anymore. Finally sold it, and bought a Seestar, and I can do astronomy from the couch. At the cottage, I can put it out on the rocks and do astronomy from indoors while we visit. It has changed my life. I can't wait for the tech to get better... I also don't have the $4000 for a Celestron Origin.
Additionally, I can take it literally anywhere, drop it literally anywhere and start imaging in less than a minute. I was able to take it with me for the solar eclipse, and despite heavy clouds at my location I was still able to get a very good time-laps out of it. It's almost purpose built for that. As the current most portable while still somewhat competent astrophotography set up, there's ton of value for what it is. All I wish is that they used a better camera.
Absolutely, but 4k is not needed Newtonian 6inch, astro camera like 533 used and second hand mount ( not am5) asiair, zwo mini guide scope and you are good 👍 for 1.5k I'd you are savvy 😊
@@chrzanik666 he's refrencing the Origin's 4k smart scope cost. Yes a 6in Newt can be done for cheaper. Though to be honest the older mounts(I have NEQ6 and LXD75) while cheaper come with tradeoffs in the manual adjustment and drive performance accuracy to get them truly 'cheap'.
I bought a Seestar S50 5 months ago and have used it extensively. It is an awesome piece of technology given it's $500 price tag. For me, it was a good introduction into astrophotography. I used Stellarium to plan out my imaging sessions, and did stacking and processing the data just as is done with a traditional rig. I learned a lot because the S50 made it easy to learn. Now, I want more. I'm putting together a wide field refractor rig with dedicated astro camera and ASIAir. The Seestar was the bait that got me hooked on astrophotography.
The more you spend, the better the results. The decision on HW selection include factors other than cost. Weight. I and many others have physical challenges that limit how much I can lift and carry around. How many big rigs are collecting closet dust. Time. We all strive for perfection however, accepting, good enough, must be included. Anything after that becomes an obsession. Hobbies are supposed to be enjoyed during off/down time. Do what makes YOU happy, not what someone else thinks you should do. This video is one of the best I've watched in a long time. Thank you for keeping it real. S50 and S30 owner.
Always enjoy your work, bought the S50 for outreach work, my neighbours love it, got the Edge 8" as a gift from my late wife, sadly I'm not in a position to buy a new mount and all the gear that ZWO supplies, now it sits there as a constant reminder of what could have been, but it will never be sold, some memories are just to important, keep up the great work, as your enthusiasm is contagious.
Stuart, sorry for your loss. My wife of 30 years is now very ill as well. Hoping for the best. Take care.
You really outdid yourself on this video. Outstanding way to provide a great comparison of the offerings of both technologies……very entertaining AND very informative! Bravo!
Totally agree with the outcome. Of course a $5000 rig gets far better pictures than a $500 rig. But as you mentioned in the end, the S50 is loveable and worth taking around.
And to be honest, if you have $5000 to spend and only use 10% of that for the S50, it's worth to have both of them.
The SeeStar is, at the end of the day a 50mm refractor, therefore to me the only comparison should be against something similar, say a Red Cat 51. I have such a set up for Grab and go. In fully auto mode the whole rig would cost around £2,500 in the UK, the SeeStar C50 is around £500
Do I think my rig is better? Yes
Do I think it's worth the extra £2000? Probably not, but..... all the components can be used with other rigs, and I can use the scope with any of the cameras I own, I can also use the mount with my DSLR for wide field and nightscape photography and it will also handle my Lunt LS50 Ha scope for solar observing/imaging. So the bottom line is versatility. Smart scopes are great for what they are designed to do, which is to allow people to view and record some of the wonders of the night sky at a very affordable price. They were never designed or intended to replace equipment at the top end. Think about it, why would companies such as ZWO undercut themselves? They want people to buy their expensive products. They actually do have the components to build a simple smart 80 mm refractor. If you buy their latest 8Omm scope, an AM3 or 5 mount and the latest ASI2600MC camera with built in guide chip and ASIair you basically will have an 80mm EQ mounted smart scope. I think ZWO are offering the SeeStar at a very reasonable price in the hope of building a loyal customer base, some of whom may go on to purchase their more expensive products. I don't see anything wrong with thisvstratergy, or smart telescopes either. If it gets more people interested then that can only be a good thing. At the end of the day, the best scope is the one you always enjoy using, price is irrelevant.
80APO+AM3 in bundle $3,000
ASIair plus shutter cable and mount $300
ASI2600 MM DUO $2,300
I would also include a filter wheel and filters. That's easily a $6,000 package just from ZWO and then you need a power supply.
Yikes! No wonder people go for the SeeStar. If they make a SeeStar80, it's gonna undercut their own product line massively. If it's around $1300-1500, I'd buy one for sure.
@Dominian1 yeah, welcome to the world of astro photography where the manufacturers believe everything is cheap if it's twice the price of what it should be! Actually you could build a cheaper rig than that. The reason I selected the ASI2600MC air is because it has an ASIair mini pc and guide camera chip built in so you don't need all the extra cables etc. It has been said that ZWO would have been better putting the ASIair in the mount, it makes more sense. You could also half the price of the mount by using a Ju Wei 17 which works with the ASI air, a filter wheel is not necessary, a filter drawer will do and is much cheaper. You could even buy a cheaper 80mm OTA from another manufacturer. The whole point is to use the ASI2600 MC air camera as this keeps the rig nice and simple with the minimum of cables etc and has more or less the same control functions as the SeeStar and is also easy to set up. The main reason the See Star is so cheap is because of the components they use, the are not bad quality they are just at the low end. If they used an IMX585 sensor for example, you would probably find it would almost double in price and if they used an IMX571 ( the chip they use in the ASI 2600 cameras ) forget about it being a cheap scope especially if they made an 80mm version . As I said there's nothing wrong with Smart Scopes for what they are, in fact I regularly recommend people new to astronomy consider buying one. But if you want a rig where you can change the camera or even the OTA and employ guiding to enable long exposures I'm afraid you are going to have to spend a lot of money. Most people do this over a number of years. At the end of the day it's all about enjoyment. Plenty of people love their See Stars because they do exactly what they want them to. I don't see any problem with that.
@@KevinRudd-w8s Well, next year I will have a SeeStar and a new savings goal.
False dichotomy. There is no battle for the soul of anything. I also have a $5000-ish rig and a Seestar, and I tend to use the Seestar more b/c of its convenience. Still love using both. It's a hobby, so you should be enjoying it. Smart telescopes are a very exciting development in amateur astronomy, and they're only going to get better. I'm looking forward to what comes next.
OMG more people usin the astrobiscuit video model! This is amazing! Keep up the work
25% of the talent but at least i tried 😉
i get that a lot of astronomers are angry at these new 'smart' telescopes entering the market as it 'strips the fun' out of astrophotography, however, it allows more people who are interested to take amazing photos of their own without having to possibly struggle for years, unable to work equipment which is much more expensive. i think its a good thing
The astro biscuit bunny is missing
💀
Big thumbs up for the format style of video . Keep up the great work.
Life is too short to spend 6 hrs or more to get the perfect image of one object/night and that doesn't include the hour or so of set up time and problems one encounters with expensive and heavy rigs. I just want to see what I could never see in a Bortle 7 area with a device a bit larger than a lunch box.
Having a ton of gear and an S50 I love your lighthearted approach.
At this point I'm more pleased with the quick views of targets the little S50 affords. I think a rematch is necessary, a 'round 2' video with the premise of 'Tour of the skies' with a time limit of 5 minutes per target. This is where the S50 really draws toward the typical astroviewer/starhopping amateur. With only a few hours the S50 can tour and show 10 objects quickly with enough detailed character to enjoy immediately and then look back over after the session without having to go through a ton of processing.
With some break in the weather last Monday I was able to use the little S50 to view about 10 targets from the Moon & Saturn all the way to an innocuous star field in the Saggitarius region. A few open and globulars, planetary and nebulous targets, all with just a short amount of time according to target type. I haven't gone the route of attempting EQ shooting with the S50 yet, but that should narrow the gap too if able even to expose 30s intervals.
I guess in a few years we'll likely have even smarter little scopes able to do more, so your video will be a good testament to how things will have changed by then.
I'm a beginner astrophotography and desire to photograph planets and deep sky. My current equipment limits me to only photograph close celestial bodies and emission nebulae. I have my eye on the Celestron CGX 11 Edge HD for an ideal rig, but a smart telescope would be more practical for me since I live in an apartment and space is limited. However, the Celestron rig would give me much longer exposure with the CGX mount and the 2800 mm focal length would get me those decent planetary shots. I suppose I could use a wedge for the smart telescope, but I've read reviews where the exposure time is still limited with a wedge because of trailing. If a smart telescope manufacturer ever developed a smart telescope for planetary imaging with a good GoTo mount, I think I would go that route just for the ease of storage and portability. Thanks for these comparison images! It helps with my decision making ...
I like your kind of told story about astronomy. I bought a seestar s50 and this device makes a lot of fun. For this low price it is a very good astronomical guided camera with amazing results in photos. i am living in Essen / Germany and the most nights are cloudy. But is it clear, i spend the whole night on my balcony with the seestar s50. Thank you for your great videos and best wishes from Germany. Norbert Meyer
Is there no way to set the s50 in a eq mount and then extend the exposure time to improve images?
Fun comparison. I liked your choice of music for each telescope! You managed to get a lot out of the Seestar image with post processing. I assume you used narrow band filters on your Edge setup. How much time did you spend on each example with your Edge setup?
Love it Wido! Great video. Love my more expensive rigs, but this is a game changer for my public outreach. Dr B from Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦
SeeStar has a point.
But get both. Grow into the professional one. 🔭
astrobiscut v2?
Very cool way of presentation! Like it.
You mean, The Astrobiscuit way 😁
Hi Wido
Hilarious and fun video. Recv my s50 2 weeks ago, and of course cloudy nights. Did get great shots of the sun. More convenient at a moments notice, than setting up my c8 only to get an hour or so.
why not try this comparison again, but put the S50 on a wedge with 30 sec exposures
He can but the fieldrotation make the images bad.
@@sardonyxuniverse2811 if its on a wedge, there would be NO field rotation. it would be equatorially mounted
@@_TK-421_ Yes but he does it with the Set that was with the seestar
On the first image session at about 5:40, I noticed your AM5 altitude adjustment handle move significantly as the mount was slewing. Apparently, it didn’t impact the session but was weird to see. Fun video and illustration of the pro/con of each system.
That's right. I didn't lock the alt-az screws on the mount properly. That was my mistake.
Wow seeing your photos gives me hope. I'm pretty close to you (downtown The Hague) and light pollution is always my main enemy when shooting with a non modified Nikon DSLR. I've already upgraded to a ZWO AM5 mount and am going to buy an FF80 refractor with 533MC PRO camera in a couple of months. Now seeing your pictures this really gives me hope to what is possible in our neck of the woods! Thanks for this awesome video (and I was thinking about buying a Seestar or Dwarf 3 for when going on holidays!)
Thanks so much! I'd advise you to look into narrowband imaging and (dynamic) background extraction in post processing, that really helps to combat light pollution.
Nice fun video ! Yes the smart telescopes are making reasonable images a reality for many more people. Even for serious astrophotographers will want to take them when traveling.
For sure! I just checked out the latest Dwarf 3 review: ua-cam.com/video/VNVGhkLareQ/v-deo.html -EQ mode is in the house now! Should I do another shootout? 😄
@@AstroForumSpace yes I just watched Cuivs tutorial. O and I just watched Interstellar again - your inspiration for your assistant/competitor ?. Yeah maybe a shootout with the Dwarf3. Also the Seestar does mosaics now. Darn I might have to buy something ....hey you interested in a lightly used ETX ? Would get me a smartscope andmight buy a cryogenic cooler for your imaging sensor ? Or you could piggyback it as a spotting scope ? 🙂
I love this comparison format very much !!
Great video Wido! 😂
Much appreciated
I wish S50 would really talk to me and astrophotography would never be so lonely....I strongly suggest that ZWO introduces talkable astrophotography robot as next version...
Bravo! A wonderfully entertaining and informative video. 5 stars!
Just get both 😉
Why does everyone use the seestar 50 when they make videos like this? Go try the celestron origin and compare. Yeah you will still win with your setup I'm estimating, but it will be a lot closer, and the ease of use will be the determining factor for what people prefer.
Can you explain why you use a guidescope with your edge hd versus off-axis guiding? I have the same scope and was debating the tradeoffs.
I already had a guidescope when I bought the Edge HD 8", and despite the small guidescope it tracked well and I got round stars. So I never got into off-axis guiding.
Very nice video m8! I'm looking to get an S50 for my travels :)
What a wonderful presentation, and I hope to develop deep sky AP skills along the lines you have. I just got my first deep sky camera, the ASI-2600MC Duo, although bad weather hasn't permitted first light yet. The rest of my system consists of 4- and 5-inch Televue refractors, sitting on the AM5 & ASI-Air Plus. I think Seestar (minus any additional post-processing like you demonstrate) does exactly what its intended for, to provide instant snapshots of celestial objects for those who don't want the burden of what more in-depth AP entails. But serious astrophotography is about really getting dirty in the art and skills of high-end acquisition and image processing. Fox !
Nice video man! Agree with all your points. What great shots of Pac-man
Great Video Wido!
Thanks Ray!
See Star has released new firmware update to compensate field rotation - "Sky Atlas Framing" - mosaic capture. Unfortunately, I was told it's such a headache to stack mosaic fits since it's on different region, so your output is what Sea Star stacked for you as an JPG - maybe I can stack these JPGs? I have Sea Star S50 and big rig like you (ES ED102 CF, ZWO 1600, AVX mount, Orion tracking scope/camera with ZWO EAF, and Pole master polar alignment scope). I had so much problem finding north pole in So. California city where i live, even with Pole master, I end up buying Star Sense. Unfortunately, I had issue with Star Sense and AVX mount, I end up purchasing ASIAir.... It's a big black whole for my money.... Sea Star other hand, gives less detail photo, but I was able to post it online for my friend already on first light. So easy to use.
Lekker video, jonge!
Brilliant comparison.
I like to see your rig vs a vaoinis vespera pro.
Very funny! Well done.
Youll never beat the Pro set up. But this sort of smart scope allows those who want to dabble or take up astrophotography who don't have bottomless pockets or the space to store such equipment.
とても面白かったです🤣
SeeStar S50も頑張りましたね、価格10倍の撮影はそれにみあった結果ですね、凄いの一言✨
両方とも素晴らしいと思います😊
Great video.really enjoyed it.
Great to have that review.. but sorry, it's already outdated because of the equatorial possibility of the Dwarf III..
I will always favor my own dedicated and well tuned equipments, but for $500, those automated telescope are absolutely fantastic and especially if they can now semi-auto align in EQ mode
This was a fun video - Thank You 😊
I started with Vespera, SeeStar, then built 3 AP rigs. I guess I’m the astronerd too. Note, still use the EAA scopes.
I bet a new version of the S50 is coming out soon with a better sensor and a true mosaic mode. I'll wait.
great pictures, fun video
Will they gain $4500?
IMO the Seestar s50 is the most important innovation in amateur astronomy in the last 25 years. Its cheap easy to use and produces that wow factor to keep people interested. I wish the old dudes on astroforums who still push binoculars or a big dob as that first telescope would stop with that old school BS and embrace the future you are driving people away from astronomy by recommending what you think should be everyones first instrument. I swear the other day a guy recommended a 8 inch dob (big shocker there) and paper charts and told the person that a Seestar isnt considered a real astronomy tool something he knew alot about because that is what he is a tool.
My S50 is not now and never will be a replacement for my astro gear. It's a fun wee thing that gathers data while I fight with and swear at my big rig.
Very entreating video! Love it ❤
The problem I have with the Seestar is the resolving power. I would rather spend the time and money on a good astro rig to get a clean, clear image. One you can look at on a screen larger then a phone without the image falling apart. Now the Celestron Origin is one step closer in the right direction.
Its $500
I would never get locked into such an expensive rig when just one component fails, you have a $4K brick sitting around. What the Celestron can do, the same can be done with a fantastic rig for $2500 with the same ease of use and quality.
Seestar takes discouragement out of astrophotography. I love mine .
This type of equipment, which cannot be upgraded, is very limited, and does not accept a Barlow lens or have a cooled camera, is designed for casual observation
Ok I was curious to see what would do the seestar. But what's the point of this comparison. Another UA-camr trick to catch more views. At least you could be fair with with newbies and neophytes and tell what's the cost of your full setup.
ua-cam.com/video/kOOqbenutaw/v-deo.html My serious review of the Seestar S50. For those who can't appreciate my humor 😉. The price of my rig is in the title description...
You spent way more than 5k
Pretty funny . The both of them. It seems that the people of the Neatherlands are as happy as the Canadians. This is from a used to be Democracy.
Class action lawsuit later when astute users find out that the developers AI is incorporating the best photographs from a database in your region.
Thats what i want a huge telescope not a microscope
The processing timeon the human image is ridiculous......you need the Good expensive telescope with an advanced AI, that can do your quality processing of the s50 !
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Looking at an image on a screen rather through a lens... it's sort of like wearing a condom.
You copied astrobiscuit!
What satisfaction do people get from a scope and mount doing it all for you, the fun / skill is in the tinkering and setting up correctly, that way you've worked hard and earned the image 👍🏻
what satisfaction do people get from a goto mount doing it all for you? Real fun comes from using a star atlas and starhopping hard until you find the object you want.Come on, times are changing for everyone in this hobby.
Do u drive where u wanna go or take horse and kart because it's traditional or more majestic and better for the environment
HaHa! Love it!
You’re comparing a $5000 rig versus a $500 smart scope. I don’t think that’s really a useful comparison.
Totally missing the point.
The Celestron doesn't stand a chance. Pound for pound..... the Seestar wins. 🏆 Sorry that the Seestar questions your masculinity.. cough, cough... I mean your identity as an astro nerd 😂 Just messing around 😊
BTW, great video!! 👍
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