@@maxlr812 That one was partially Lucas's fault, both for writing that the two hadn't seen each other for a long time in RotS and for then writing story arcs involving both of them in TCW.
I've always felt like when Vader says "a presence i've not felt since..." he isn't full of rage, or hate or any negative emotion for that matter. He sounds like he found something he misses, or found a good feeling he hasn't felt in ages. Or a good memory that he remembers for a moment. It's very interesting you know, because the first thing you'd think is that Vader hates Obi-Wan but it deepens a lot when something positive is involved.. Idk tho, just a thought lmao
Metaphorically, obi wan says that vader killed anakin when he stormed the jedi temple and killed younglings. In actuallity, anakin was only trapped by vader and when obi wan came, tried anakin rise up but ultimately failed as only luke had the ability to do that.
Yes it’s a bit bland to watch after all the other ones these days but if it wasn’t for it there wouldn’t be any of the others to watch anyway. Besides this is basically the only one that acts like a game of chess, the two fighters weighing up each little movement before moving to attack or defend themselves.
Nah. Even back before the prequels were a thing I hated how slow and boring this duel was. IMHO duel of fates is the golden standard I hold all lightsaber duels to and this one falls parsecs behind.
Agreed. I hope that they won't retcon the original duel from ANH because it will lose all the meaning it had before.. and besides, if Vader knew Obi-Wan was alive, he would never stop hunting him.
"When I left you I was but the learner now I am the Master." Does that honestly sound like he's speaking to the guy who cut off his arms and legs and left him to burn horrifically in lava?
I'll be real: None of Vader's lines even in Rogue One are anything I can imagine Hayden Christensen Anakin saying. But I chalk most of that up to a 20 year time gap during which Vader falls into deeper and deeper self-loathing. So 19 years later after Vader has hunted down countless Jedi to build up to the very moment where he can finally prove to his old Master that he has always been the Master the Jedi Council never acknowledged? Yeah, I can see it.
I’ve always maintained the idea that Kenobi’s duel with Vader in Episode IV was Kenobi deliberately holding back: Vader desperately wanted a duel as they had on Mustafar, so he could seek the vindication of knowing he was the superior duellist, whilst Kenobi deliberately held back, buying time for Luke and denying Vader the opportunity to justify his rage, so Vader then keeps striking at Obi-Wan, trying so hard to get him to unleash his full force against him, and finally truly striking him down when Kenobi drops his guard, knowing his purpose is done and that Vader will never get the revenge he truly desires
I personally really like the contrast between Obi Wan and Anakin's final duel in Episode III compared to ANH. In ROTS, Obi Wan fails to kill Anakin, which leads to the Empire rising up and taking power. In ANH, Vader fails to kill Obi Wan, which leads to the fall of the Empire. Both ended up becoming more powerful than the other could imagine, even when being struck down. I like to think that Obi Wan's more passive nature and attitude towards violence stemmed from his failure on Mustifar. He new that his victory through combat ultimately amounted to nothing.
Before the announcement of the rematch I always thought it was interesting how careful vader was being with Obi wan in the original duel. The last time he tried to pull a move on Obi wan he got dismembered and burnt to a crisp. With the Kenobi series, if he squares off against vader there's got to be something about that duel that not only shapes Obi wan into old ben but also shapes vader into the calmer more calculated villain we see in a new hope.
The originals have passion and character development in their duels The prequels have epic scale and choreography The sequels The sequels have cool cgi, I guess.
The originals start with too much realism, then switch to choreographed passion. The prequels then overdue the choreography to the point of looking rehearsed and fake (or ridiculous in the case of Yoda) except the one with Annie and Duku at the begining of Revenge of the Sith (the only prequel duel that is really any good. The sequels go back to realism in showing us inexperience vs. no experience.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot the sequels looking fake ? they look amazing, that's what matters, a goodfight scene is not about realism, it's about how good it looks, it's more of a dance, a good dance (all do the ep 2 fight had some fails, but Yoda was amazing) and the sequels inexperience vs experience ? we literally have a darth vader wanna be and a mary sue
I honestly like the original version of the duel vs the recent remake of it; it's not just showing Vader's power, but showing skill in a different way. Instead of using it through speed and power, they use skill in terms of patience, strategy, psychology and prudence. They're getting old, they're fighting in a narrow corridor, and they each are wary: Anakin's playing it safe, and Obi-Wan knows that while Vader is diminished, his strength in the Force and his physical strength are still greater than his own. Vader's trying to avoid making the same mistakes, and Obi-Wan's trying to find another way around him. This is the most psychological duel of the saga. Most fights are just about will, but this one is about how well they know each other.
Imagine at the end of the kenobi series they do a remastered version of the obi wan and Vader fight with better choreography while maintaining the emotional impact
If they met between 3 and 4 it would explain why they sounded so calm during the Death Star duel, they clearly sat down and talk about their feelings after Mustafar.
whats the outcome of a 3rd fight? will it just be action for action sake. what is the story behind it. what is the lead up. what is the motervation. what will the the outcome. what will a 3rd fight add. we know neither of them will die. because episode 4 happens. we know obi wan doesn't have any mechanical bits added. so he clearly doesn't loose any limbs. meaning vader doesn't win the fight. will it then just be a rehash of ROTS fight. obi wan amputating Vader again? it may look cool to see it again. but what is the story. otherwise it is just pointless fan service.
In the Vader comics when Palpatine asked vader to go to a sith temple and bleed his kaiber crystal to become a proper sith, while doing this the crystal brings back anakin who starts to break down in sorrow and flies to kenobi, he Goes to him kneels down crying and says obi wan please... He then became Vader once more and then they dueled, it was amazing
Obi would for sure feel guilt that he didn't finish Anakin on Mustafar, to see his old companion and the brother that he loved; trapped in that suit, obviously in constant pain and Obi knowing that he could have prevented it. He might think Vader is beyond redemption but he wouldnt want Anakin to suffer.
The "Only a master of evil Darth" line out of universe was because at the time of A New Hope Darth Vader wasn't intended to be Anakin Skywalker and had actually killed him. But it works in universe with the reveal. Obi-Wan's calling him Darth because he believes the good man Anakin was is gone and that only the monster Vader is left.
And we got none of those answers about what Kenobi felt in the aftermath. We just got an action series with canon breaking events, irrelevant practically one off characters, and none of the internal struggle we should have had.
“How did [Obi Won] get over it?” Dude... HE DIDN’T. As late as RETURN OF THE JEDI, Kenobi’s chronologically last meaningful appearance, he still wanted Vader dead! And in 20 years he went from Ewan to Sir Alec. George knew what he was doing and saying... Obi Won Kenobi never got over it, and the 20 years of desert living combined with 20 years of emotional turmoil ages the hell out of a man. IMO.
Agreed! Analysing his character, from the fatherly figure of the prequels, to the Vader killing mindset he drills into Luke in the OT, there was just some sort of gap. Hope the movie focuses on that more. Though I shouldnt get it up too high....
I respect the very first Lightsaber duel despite having no choreography. Though, both Original and Prequel fights are waaaay better than the Sequel fights.
The original lightsaber fight. The least impressive one, the one that was really just an end of a different fight. A fight that might have an entire extra part that we have never seen. Yet. I'm so down for Part 2 of Vader vs Kenobi. We've seen the beginning, we've seen the ending, but have we seen the middle?
As a first lightsaber duel and a testing bed for future duels, I still think this isn't bad. It holds up for what it's influenced. But I just realized as soon as Full Fat Videos has no more movie duels, and no more Clone Wars or Rebels duels, they'll have to talk about the sequels and I can already tell they're gonna refuse or be super annoyed
If you were to pick your favorite duel from the sequels, which one would it be? Mine has got to be Finn vs Kylo, not only does it show how Kylo can fight even while wounded but also shows Finn's growth throughout the movie, from running away from the First Order, to standing up to the embodiment of his fears to protect his friend.
I think they should or will redo the OG fight for Ewan and Hayden instead of making a 3rd time they meet swords. To me kenobi being isolated on that desert for 20 years is part of that character arc. That loneliness is how he gets over anakin. Hearing how good of a kid Luke is probably kept his hopes high the whole time
Amazing video!! Brilliant thoughts and ideas regarding the first lightsaber fight ever and the in-depth deep dive into Obi-Wan personality and mindset. Keep up the great work and look forward to seeing future videos. And remember to have the High Ground and May the Force be with You! God bless!
I’ve always thought a brilliant idea for the Kenobi series would be him going through the training to become a force ghost similar to yoda’s journey in the clone wars. Going through the trials, make him reflect on Qui-gon, Anakin and the clone wars. As for the third trial have him let go of a vision of a happy Skywalker family as uncle Obi
Lol the entire weight behind "something ive not felt since.." was reduced to a random meaningless meeting they had 9 years ago, instead of a tragic duel to the death at a lava planet that left him without limbs and entire body scorched 19 years ago.
Everytime this channel talks about star wars with the epic music in the background always makes me so FUCKING EMOTIONAL. (however since I don't have Disney Plus I'm annoyed I probably won't be able to watch a lot of the new content) still emotional though
WAAAAyyy back in college, I took a class that dealt with mythology in filmmaking. It wasnt the typical "Find all of the Joseph Campbell steps in the movie of the week", half of the entire course was based around Star Wars OT (the PT finished up with Ep 3 dropping during that year, but beyond a quick nod to the fact that Palpatine's development from Senator to Emperor contained basically 0 development to his character or motivation, they were left out). Two things that we covered that i didnt know and have rarely heard mentioned since was that stage direction for ANH only involved in-universe rules that lightsabers, when ignited, were extremely heavy and difficult to control. The physics of the blade itself was supposed to cause some king of opposing force against the direction the wielder was trying to swing it. This effect would also vary in strength and direction in response to changes in the movement speed of the blade so that slowing your swing to execute a precision block would result in the forces at work in response to the high energy blade increasing the momentum inversely related to the movement arresting force exerted by the user's hands on the hilt. The intended alignment/direction of the blade at the stopping point was also subject to specific physics which would react to force exerted to stop the blade at an advantageous point based on the specific alignment of the combatants' bodies at that moment with both an increase in torque together with sudden enhanced momentum such that an inexperienced user intending to execute a downward stroke with a planned stop a waist level would end up passing the intended endpoint after which the blade movement would make the overall stoke appear in a 'J' shape that if not cutting into his own knee, would pull him closer and off balance to his opponent. I remember these instructions being part of a version of the script which fit into the development process soon after the decision to limit lightsaber combat to Force users. Its intent, which i suppose would have been expounded upon in later scenes like early Yoda training in ESB, was to explain the limited usage of lightsabers which had recently been common in the GFFA. I think i remember- but not clearly enough to bet my life- that one of the more critical alterations to development and then the actual editing priorities on ANH which get credit for saving the franchise, was that changes like the reduction in lightsaber use to Force users was not necessary to explain to the audience since they wouldnt have been aware of a change to the final product to begin with. Even so, the initial appearance of a lightsaber in ObiWans hut features Luke handling the blade with a noticeable amount of circular motion stemming from the tip of the blade (said to be where this alternative physics for lightsabers was stongest). His ability to light it up and move it without major injury was going to be used as an early definite sign of his potential talent. Lastly, though the idea perished before the final ANH edit, you can see a nod to it in ESB when Han cuts open the Tauntaun and seems to have to focus heavily on the blade tip as he does so, having some degree of difficulty (rather, clearly putting a lot of extra concentration into) accomplishing what ought to be a totally uncomplicated, two second slice. Its clearly the result of more than the bad weather. Have you ever heard this or did my head sneak back up my ass AGAIN?
I think a good way to have a kenobi and vader fight without fucking up the canon is to have Obi-Wan in the middle of Force Ghost training encounter the spirit of Vader as a representation of his grief and guilt. That way we get a kinetic fight and have emotionally charged moments.
I love the emotion behind the fight but that choreography it’s not great. I know it’s more about the characters but come on if this had the emotions and a great choreography it would be perfection but I still like it
I mean its the best that the little serial homage movie could make If they knew they were making a STAR WARS EPISODE IV movie it would have been a lot better
I feel like I've just done an MA in cinematography every time I watch one of these videos! (For those in doubt; this can also be read as; these videos are bloody awesome!!)
Dave Filoni has to be 100% involved with the Kenobi story. If he’s not I really don’t have faith in it. Some of the other shows can manage maybe I guess but Kenobi has to be a story crafted by Filoni. Ahsoka and especially the episode Twilight of the Apprentice show us how successfully he can weave engaging new narratives that enhance the overall story without disrupting continuity. That’s a rare skill, and they NEED it for the Kenobi series. Plus he wrote thematically important duels for both prequels Obi-Wan and OT Obi-Wan through TCW and Rebels.the only person who could understand his headspace in between III and IV as much would be Lucas himself.
A friend of mine mentioned once that obi wan never intended to win just to unite luke and leia and that's why he smiles before he let's vader strike him down and that he let's himself die to show luke that this enemy will kill you if givin the chance
The og Trilogy duels have grown in me. Growing up I really thought they were outdated and bland compare to the CGI fest of what the prequels was but now I see these duels with more heart than any of the prequels or sequels, yes, even more than Anakin vs Obi-Wan
One thing though, ObiWan-Kenobi was never really defeated by Darth Vader, Kenobi becomes one with the force in Darth Vaders fucking face, that's the most beast thing Kenobi has ever done in my opinion.
If anyone is excited for the new Obi Wan Kenobi tv series, I would highly recommend the Legends book KENOBI. It’s a a slow paced western-type story, and while it lacks action, I think a lot may value the dissection of Kenobi’s character and the world of Tatooine. Personally hope the show draws some inspiration from the book☺️
This duel is one of those which is weirdly almost perfect. It's incredibly laid back by swordfight standards. There's little flash, there's no really fast swing's, and there's very little weight to the duel. The reasoning behind this is obvious from a production standpoint, but within universe it might seem hard to justify. But it's actually simple: the duel is a forgone conclusion. Obi wan is an old man by this stage, one who's spent nearly 20 years on a sandy hell of a planet, fighting off small bands of tuscan raiders and little else. Darth vader might not be in his prime either, and his stuff robot joints and heavy life support suit don't help him much. But obi wan was never the duelist anakin was, only his impeccable defense and a lucky piece of high ground let him win there previous encounter. At this stage of his life, in terrain where vader has every advantage, he hasn't a hope. And darth knows this. Sure, he's trying to kill obi wan. But he's also playing with him, in a similar way as obi wan is playing with vader. There is no rush, obi wan death will come. And so they fight, for old times sake as much as for victory over a hated foe. But why almost perfect, I hear you ask? Well, as much as I like the tone of the duel, conveyed by the coreography quite well, said coreography is a bit shit. Yeah, obi wan probably pisses sand as much as he does urine, but that doesn't justify him fighting like one of the clockwork robot's that can draw a picture would if it was in a swamp to rust for a week and then dried off by throwing it into a bag of cement. And darth vader opens wider than church's doors on good friday with obi wand saber right in front of his face, a single movement away from splitting his skull open.
Obi Wan also knows that he is no longer needed to fight for the light anymore. There is A New Hope. The best thing he can do now is guide Luke, and his frail body would only hold him back from that.
My only problem with a rematch between Vader and Obi-Wan in the Kenobi Series, is that it Absolutely cannot happen on Tatooine, if it happens on Tatooine then Vader will question why Obi-Wan Chose Tatooine, for his exile and Vader will quickly catch on that Obi-Wan is Protecting something or Someone Important the same way Maul did in Rebels, Obi-Wan needs a good reason for temporarily leaving Tatooine during his Exile to fight Vader because he wouldn't just leave Luke Defenseless for no reason unless it was a really good one, I'm just saying Vader and Obi-Wan's rematch in the show cannot happen on Tatooine, because if it did, Vader would come back and kill Obi-Wan if he didn't succeed the second time and he would most definitely capture Luke after figuring out he was the reason why Obi-Wan was there, and Vader would never stop hunting him.
This is a great video. New viewer, came over from i09. One point - Obi-Wan deceiving Luke about Vadar's identity in ANH always felt like he was trying to buy into his own belief that Anakin became literally someone else, and he never really made peace with it. Guinness was a masterful actor, so I think his interpretation gave Obi-Wan layers that might not have been present had another actor played that role. I'm not sure Obi-Wan ever really did come to terms with Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. That's why he allowed Vadar to kill him. After protecting and watching over Luke for 20 years (wondering if he'd go down his father's path) he realized his death could serve a higher purpose to turn Luke to the good.
For me, I have to disagree about wanting to see them face off again between RotS and ANH. After the prequels came out, the idea that it had been so long since they'd seen each other added more gravitas to the situation on the Death Star. All those years Vader was constantly reminded of what Kenobi did to him, and the thought of how much anger and hate Vader must have been emanating at that moment when he saw his old master gives me chills when I watch that scene now. I feel like that would cheapen the original duel for me if we find out they've fought again since Mustafar because it gives Vader another chance to vent all that rage, versus letting it fester and build over the years until he finally lets himself explode on Ben. Which, btw SC38 Reimagined does really well at illustrating, and I like to think of it as canon since it still includes all canon lines and cuts to other characters etc. Now, I'm not against, say, seeing Kenobi have nightmares where he fights some twisted, mangled form of Anakin. As far as I know Kenobi never actually saw Vader after Mustafar until they met on the Death Star, so you could reason that Kenobi somehow knows Vader is alive, but not what his new costume looks like. If he were to have a nightmare about Vader he'd still see the face of Anakin, but maybe with a red lightsaber this time. It could work, and it could illustrate some of the PTSD that we all assume Obi-Wan must have struggled with, if done right. As to them ACTUALLY facing off, hard no for me.
I’m starting to warm up to the idea of a duel between Vader and Obi Wan taking place in between the two duels we know. The way Vader and Obi Wan greet each other in the hallway hint that there is some unknown story between them. For example, the two doesn’t comment on their different appearances which could hint that they have seen each other looking like that before (Vader in the suit and Obi Wan as old). Secondly, Vader presumably thought Obi Wan to be dead prior to their meeting on the Death Star, something he had no reason to believe following their duel on Mustafar. Thirdly, Obi Wan refers to Anakin as Darth which is really weird retroactively. It could hint that Anakin at one point insisted for Obi Wan that he was gone for good and therefore Anakin Skywalker no longer exist (like what he told Ahsoka). This third duel could also tie in to Vader’s line to Luke in Return of the Jedi: ‘Obi Wan once thought as you do’ which wasn’t shown in Revenge of the Sith.
The stifled movements from the fight is not just that Lucas wanted the idea of them to be heavy but partially because the prop lightsabers WERE very heavy. So it was partly because of artistic vision from Lucas and partly because of the actual weight and close quarter space they filmed in.
If there is a fight between Vader and Obi wan, surely that will retcon the line in a new hope “When I last faced you I was but a learner, now I am the master”. Of course this refers to the battle of the heroes in episode III, if there was going to be a fight, it would have to be soon after the events of the revenge of the sith so the line still holds up. But not too soon, or else it wouldn’t be able to have the same emotional weight
Man, Obi-Wan really threw fuel into anakins body fire by delimbing and disowning. The small amount of darkness of Obi-Wan killing him is better than the immense darkness anakin/Vader had.
I am convinced the only way to make the new show work, is for the duel to be a vision as Obi Wan comes to terms with his past. Anything else will just be fan service (that does not serve most fans) and would only ruin the story we have between the prequels and A New Hope. Don't get me wrong I love the idea of bring them both back and seeing a great duel, but I also loved the idea of a Han Solo movie and a trilogy about the future after the fall of the Empire. And while we got cool things in both, overall both served more to harm what we had than to expand and build anything off of it....which was often frustrating and served to only distract from the actual good parts. I fear if they just have them meet up and duel to a draw it will not come off well, I'd rather watch the worst episode of the Mandalorian than a forced duel between Vader and Obi Wan that does not make much since in their stories, but only looks cool.
hi matt, i know you did a video about ahsoka’s duel with maul, but have you ever thought about doing a longer essay about her development throughout clone wars to rebels to now in the mandalorian? could be interesting if you did it in a similar way to how you did the captain america videos before endgame came out about how the russo’s make captain america great and not boring and instead focus on how dave filoni and the clone wars team turned ashoka from an annoying padawan to a fan favourite
Yes! I'm thinking of doing a bunch of Star Wars character essays next year actually. I'm also going to be going through every episode of Clone Wars on the Full Fat Podcast!
Even though it's a little controversial, I really like the "rhythm" between this scene and Luke and Kylo in the last jedi. I particularly love how the idea of the master's final lesson lines up, as they are both really saying, "ya, you can cut me down right now like you have wanted to for so long, and that my death will fulfill you no more than any other death has fulfilled you." With both of them disappearing into the force just a moment after the pupil had thought they finally reached the pinnacle and overshadowed them
I'm so eager to hear your thoughts on the S2 finale of Mandalorian, just because I think it could potentially play into this. And of coarse the Obi-Wan series coming out.
Speaking of this scene, to anyone who hasn't seen it. Watch scene 38, it's an amazing quality fan made remake of this fight. And it is probably the most beautiful duel I have seen
My idea for the Kenobi series is that Obi Wan is kinda emotionally going down hill in the beginning because of his PTSD (while he's on Tatooine doing basically nothing all his life). Then suddenly he starts to hear Qui Gon's voice in his head. He kinda refuses it to believe at first until he get's attacked by a few people hunting him and the Qui Gon voice tells him what to do and it works. Qui Gon then sends him on a journey to become a force ghost. This ends eventually in a sort of force vision of him and Vader on Death Star with Luke being there. But every time he fights something goes wrong. He can't beat Vader. So either he dies too quickly, or Luke dies. Everytime something goes wrong, the vision starts over and over again. Every time Obi Wan tries something new. At this point he learns his final and most important lesson to become a force ghost: he needs to accept that he will live on after death and that he can still help Luke after he dies. He needs to let go and let Vader kill him. This eventually changed him and made him the way he is.
I agree with you that Obi and Vader likely met at least one time between EP 3 and 4. In ROTJ he knew that Vader had been "...more machine now, twisted and evil..." Yes, he may have guessed that since Vader had survived (very likely it was broadcast around the Empire, probably touted as another case of the Jedi trying to assassinate the Emperor's right hand man) and the only way would have been for him to survive was to be given prosthetics (otherwise the Emperor would have killed him off/let him die and found a new apprentice), but, after ROTJ came out and that line was in it, I always suspected that Vader and Obi met up prior to EP 4 and after the confrontation that ended up Vader getting the prosthetics (at the time ROTJ came out, it was not known which EP it would be in or if it would actually be in an EP). But then, it is vague and not definitive and I would be OK if it was decided there was no Vader vs. Kenobi duel between EP3 and EP4.
4:35 what track is playing here I know it’s order 66 but it sounds a lot like what is 66 from the clone wars? Please find me on Facebook and message me what the name is.
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Guinness and Prowse walked so McGregor and Christensen could run.
literally
Guinness and Prowse walked so McGregor and Christensen could FLY
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And do sick flips
As well as Liam Neeson, McGregor and Ray Park
"A presence I have not felt since... like a week ago, as seen in episode 8 of Kenobi, out now on Disney+"
The Kenobi series is set 9 years before episode 4 though.
@@mmm7528 | It's just a joke.
It’s like Anakin saying my powers have doubled since last week Count due to TCW
@@maxlr812 That one was partially Lucas's fault, both for writing that the two hadn't seen each other for a long time in RotS and for then writing story arcs involving both of them in TCW.
Yeah that's what I'm afraid of
I've always felt like when Vader says "a presence i've not felt since..." he isn't full of rage, or hate or any negative emotion for that matter. He sounds like he found something he misses, or found a good feeling he hasn't felt in ages. Or a good memory that he remembers for a moment. It's very interesting you know, because the first thing you'd think is that Vader hates Obi-Wan but it deepens a lot when something positive is involved.. Idk tho, just a thought lmao
I always took it like Elsa returning in Casablanca: a blast from the past before you remember the impact it yielded. Its a great subtle moment.
Metaphorically, obi wan says that vader killed anakin when he stormed the jedi temple and killed younglings. In actuallity, anakin was only trapped by vader and when obi wan came, tried anakin rise up but ultimately failed as only luke had the ability to do that.
I hate how some people say this duel sucks, it’s about the context and emotion, not the choreography.
Yes it’s a bit bland to watch after all the other ones these days but if it wasn’t for it there wouldn’t be any of the others to watch anyway.
Besides this is basically the only one that acts like a game of chess, the two fighters weighing up each little movement before moving to attack or defend themselves.
At least admit the scene 38 reimagined does a better job
Nah. Even back before the prequels were a thing I hated how slow and boring this duel was. IMHO duel of fates is the golden standard I hold all lightsaber duels to and this one falls parsecs behind.
Agreed. I hope that they won't retcon the original duel from ANH because it will lose all the meaning it had before.. and besides, if Vader knew Obi-Wan was alive, he would never stop hunting him.
@@GAMINGWEEKLYJJ it is objectively a better fight and doesn’t take anything away only adds
"When I left you I was but the learner now I am the Master."
Does that honestly sound like he's speaking to the guy who cut off his arms and legs and left him to burn horrifically in lava?
Yep,the interaction between those two was kind of dry and emotionless in anh after all that they suffered in rots
Yeah, that’s why I wanted to hear his opinion about SC 38 Reimagined!
yet another thing that the prequels retroactively ruined.
I'll be real: None of Vader's lines even in Rogue One are anything I can imagine Hayden Christensen Anakin saying. But I chalk most of that up to a 20 year time gap during which Vader falls into deeper and deeper self-loathing.
So 19 years later after Vader has hunted down countless Jedi to build up to the very moment where he can finally prove to his old Master that he has always been the Master the Jedi Council never acknowledged? Yeah, I can see it.
Only a master... At getting caught
I’ve always maintained the idea that Kenobi’s duel with Vader in Episode IV was Kenobi deliberately holding back: Vader desperately wanted a duel as they had on Mustafar, so he could seek the vindication of knowing he was the superior duellist, whilst Kenobi deliberately held back, buying time for Luke and denying Vader the opportunity to justify his rage, so Vader then keeps striking at Obi-Wan, trying so hard to get him to unleash his full force against him, and finally truly striking him down when Kenobi drops his guard, knowing his purpose is done and that Vader will never get the revenge he truly desires
Love the Star Wars content. Great video as always!
I was gonna like, but there’s 66😂
the boys!!!
@@FullFatVideos could you do an analysis of the ahsoka vader duel?
@@guyinmink4068 I’m sure they will eventually
@@guyinmink4068 this would be great! Hint hint 😏
The originals win when it comes to emotion and the prequels win in the choreography and thematically both connect perfectly
I personally really like the contrast between Obi Wan and Anakin's final duel in Episode III compared to ANH. In ROTS, Obi Wan fails to kill Anakin, which leads to the Empire rising up and taking power. In ANH, Vader fails to kill Obi Wan, which leads to the fall of the Empire. Both ended up becoming more powerful than the other could imagine, even when being struck down. I like to think that Obi Wan's more passive nature and attitude towards violence stemmed from his failure on Mustifar. He new that his victory through combat ultimately amounted to nothing.
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I actually prefer the sequels choreography but I love the prequels
And the sequels look like 2 children trying to hit each other with baseball bats
And the sequels don’t win shit
Before the announcement of the rematch I always thought it was interesting how careful vader was being with Obi wan in the original duel. The last time he tried to pull a move on Obi wan he got dismembered and burnt to a crisp. With the Kenobi series, if he squares off against vader there's got to be something about that duel that not only shapes Obi wan into old ben but also shapes vader into the calmer more calculated villain we see in a new hope.
I always loved luke's "no!" because it's whiny and voice-cracked. Very real.
Yeh, now THAT is how u pronounce aluminium
alumnum
yeah, you need to drop the second 'i' for the correct amercian spelling
I prefer American pronunciation just because it's easier to say.
i mean they only dropped it because american news companies paid per every single letter back then so they shortened many words to fit
What the hell is an aluminum falcon?!
The originals have passion and character development in their duels
The prequels have epic scale and choreography
The sequels
The sequels have cool cgi, I guess.
Some fights in the prequels do have character development and passion, but not the way the originals do (except mustafar). Other than that I agree.
Max1muslegend I Kinda Agree
The sequels lightsaber = baseball bat
The originals start with too much realism, then switch to choreographed passion.
The prequels then overdue the choreography to the point of looking rehearsed and fake (or ridiculous in the case of Yoda) except the one with Annie and Duku at the begining of Revenge of the Sith (the only prequel duel that is really any good.
The sequels go back to realism in showing us inexperience vs. no experience.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot the sequels looking fake ?
they look amazing, that's what matters, a goodfight scene is not about realism, it's about how good it looks, it's more of a dance, a good dance (all do the ep 2 fight had some fails, but Yoda was amazing)
and the sequels inexperience vs experience ?
we literally have a darth vader wanna be and a mary sue
These videos are incredible, simple things like saying “a new hope” and then adding Luke, just brilliant.
I honestly like the original version of the duel vs the recent remake of it; it's not just showing Vader's power, but showing skill in a different way. Instead of using it through speed and power, they use skill in terms of patience, strategy, psychology and prudence. They're getting old, they're fighting in a narrow corridor, and they each are wary: Anakin's playing it safe, and Obi-Wan knows that while Vader is diminished, his strength in the Force and his physical strength are still greater than his own. Vader's trying to avoid making the same mistakes, and Obi-Wan's trying to find another way around him. This is the most psychological duel of the saga. Most fights are just about will, but this one is about how well they know each other.
Imagine at the end of the kenobi series they do a remastered version of the obi wan and Vader fight with better choreography while maintaining the emotional impact
Scene 38 reimagined, does all that. Its fan made, but its amazing
Already been done by a fan and its incredible.
@@classyonion4750 Unfortunately it bungles it by having a bunch of background talking over the top from other films.
@@LordVader1094 ok
I think it’ll be Maul V Kenobi. We just got a animated Caleb Dume giving me hope they will live action the rebels Maul V Kenobi fight
If they met between 3 and 4 it would explain why they sounded so calm during the Death Star duel, they clearly sat down and talk about their feelings after Mustafar.
whats the outcome of a 3rd fight? will it just be action for action sake. what is the story behind it. what is the lead up. what is the motervation. what will the the outcome. what will a 3rd fight add. we know neither of them will die. because episode 4 happens. we know obi wan doesn't have any mechanical bits added. so he clearly doesn't loose any limbs. meaning vader doesn't win the fight.
will it then just be a rehash of ROTS fight. obi wan amputating Vader again?
it may look cool to see it again. but what is the story. otherwise it is just pointless fan service.
@@TheWeepingDalek You were right.
Yes! All the six main duels!
"The circle is now complete"
9:20 looks like you got your Kenobi spin off where Vader and Obi wan reunite
I came back to videos like this to remember what it was like when this channel still had enthusiasm for Star Wars
In the Vader comics when Palpatine asked vader to go to a sith temple and bleed his kaiber crystal to become a proper sith, while doing this the crystal brings back anakin who starts to break down in sorrow and flies to kenobi, he
Goes to him kneels down crying and says obi wan please...
He then became Vader once more and then they dueled, it was amazing
Obi would for sure feel guilt that he didn't finish Anakin on Mustafar, to see his old companion and the brother that he loved; trapped in that suit, obviously in constant pain and Obi knowing that he could have prevented it. He might think Vader is beyond redemption but he wouldnt want Anakin to suffer.
The "Only a master of evil Darth" line out of universe was because at the time of A New Hope Darth Vader wasn't intended to be Anakin Skywalker and had actually killed him. But it works in universe with the reveal. Obi-Wan's calling him Darth because he believes the good man Anakin was is gone and that only the monster Vader is left.
And we got none of those answers about what Kenobi felt in the aftermath. We just got an action series with canon breaking events, irrelevant practically one off characters, and none of the internal struggle we should have had.
“How did [Obi Won] get over it?” Dude... HE DIDN’T.
As late as RETURN OF THE JEDI, Kenobi’s chronologically last meaningful appearance, he still wanted Vader dead! And in 20 years he went from Ewan to Sir Alec. George knew what he was doing and saying...
Obi Won Kenobi never got over it, and the 20 years of desert living combined with 20 years of emotional turmoil ages the hell out of a man. IMO.
Agreed! Analysing his character, from the fatherly figure of the prequels, to the Vader killing mindset he drills into Luke in the OT, there was just some sort of gap. Hope the movie focuses on that more. Though I shouldnt get it up too high....
One of the worst duels cinematicaly but one of the most influencal and best for story
9:22 "he can see things before they happen its a jedi trait"
I respect the very first Lightsaber duel despite having no choreography. Though, both Original and Prequel fights are waaaay better than the Sequel fights.
If you watch corridor crews stunt men react they look at the throne room fight in the last jedi and why it's really bad
You my friend, are truly one with the force, and the force is with you.
Mustafar was hands down the coolest light saber duel ever!!!!
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE KENOBI SERIES!!!
The original lightsaber fight. The least impressive one, the one that was really just an end of a different fight. A fight that might have an entire extra part that we have never seen. Yet.
I'm so down for Part 2 of Vader vs Kenobi. We've seen the beginning, we've seen the ending, but have we seen the middle?
As a first lightsaber duel and a testing bed for future duels, I still think this isn't bad. It holds up for what it's influenced. But I just realized as soon as Full Fat Videos has no more movie duels, and no more Clone Wars or Rebels duels, they'll have to talk about the sequels and I can already tell they're gonna refuse or be super annoyed
Couldn't agree more. Another excellent Full Fat point, from a Full Fat Fan, in a Full Fat video.
If you were to pick your favorite duel from the sequels, which one would it be? Mine has got to be Finn vs Kylo, not only does it show how Kylo can fight even while wounded but also shows Finn's growth throughout the movie, from running away from the First Order, to standing up to the embodiment of his fears to protect his friend.
I think they should or will redo the OG fight for Ewan and Hayden instead of making a 3rd time they meet swords. To me kenobi being isolated on that desert for 20 years is part of that character arc. That loneliness is how he gets over anakin. Hearing how good of a kid Luke is probably kept his hopes high the whole time
There seems to be two groups of people on the lightsaber fights.
"Team slow emotional duel"
"Team fast epic battle"
Thanks, I appreciate the effort to speak slower. It's the first of your videos I actually caught every word.
That opening edit was amazing
Amazing video!! Brilliant thoughts and ideas regarding the first lightsaber fight ever and the in-depth deep dive into Obi-Wan personality and mindset. Keep up the great work and look forward to seeing future videos. And remember to have the High Ground and May the Force be with You! God bless!
I’ve always thought a brilliant idea for the Kenobi series would be him going through the training to become a force ghost similar to yoda’s journey in the clone wars. Going through the trials, make him reflect on Qui-gon, Anakin and the clone wars. As for the third trial have him let go of a vision of a happy Skywalker family as uncle Obi
love the diagram from the RPF while talking about Kenobi's hilt
Dude all those sequels fight scenes make me not wanna take this video seriously
Man that intro gets me every time
UK of A had me absolutely rolling 😂
Lol the entire weight behind "something ive not felt since.." was reduced to a random meaningless meeting they had 9 years ago, instead of a tragic duel to the death at a lava planet that left him without limbs and entire body scorched 19 years ago.
You should do a video about Ahsoka vs the magistrate/Mando and that gunslinger. Perfect omage to both western and samurai.
Everytime this channel talks about star wars with the epic music in the background always makes me so FUCKING EMOTIONAL.
(however since I don't have Disney Plus I'm annoyed I probably won't be able to watch a lot of the new content) still emotional though
The most underrated lightsaber duel and the 3rd best I my opinion
The idea of giving the stormtroopers lightsabers wasnt scrapped entirely. In the end we still got force pikes.
WAAAAyyy back in college, I took a class that dealt with mythology in filmmaking. It wasnt the typical "Find all of the Joseph Campbell steps in the movie of the week", half of the entire course was based around Star Wars OT (the PT finished up with Ep 3 dropping during that year, but beyond a quick nod to the fact that Palpatine's development from Senator to Emperor contained basically 0 development to his character or motivation, they were left out).
Two things that we covered that i didnt know and have rarely heard mentioned since was that stage direction for ANH only involved in-universe rules that lightsabers, when ignited, were extremely heavy and difficult to control. The physics of the blade itself was supposed to cause some king of opposing force against the direction the wielder was trying to swing it. This effect would also vary in strength and direction in response to changes in the movement speed of the blade so that slowing your swing to execute a precision block would result in the forces at work in response to the high energy blade increasing the momentum inversely related to the movement arresting force exerted by the user's hands on the hilt. The intended alignment/direction of the blade at the stopping point was also subject to specific physics which would react to force exerted to stop the blade at an advantageous point based on the specific alignment of the combatants' bodies at that moment with both an increase in torque together with sudden enhanced momentum such that an inexperienced user intending to execute a downward stroke with a planned stop a waist level would end up passing the intended endpoint after which the blade movement would make the overall stoke appear in a 'J' shape that if not cutting into his own knee, would pull him closer and off balance to his opponent.
I remember these instructions being part of a version of the script which fit into the development process soon after the decision to limit lightsaber combat to Force users. Its intent, which i suppose would have been expounded upon in later scenes like early Yoda training in ESB, was to explain the limited usage of lightsabers which had recently been common in the GFFA. I think i remember- but not clearly enough to bet my life- that one of the more critical alterations to development and then the actual editing priorities on ANH which get credit for saving the franchise, was that changes like the reduction in lightsaber use to Force users was not necessary to explain to the audience since they wouldnt have been aware of a change to the final product to begin with. Even so, the initial appearance of a lightsaber in ObiWans hut features Luke handling the blade with a noticeable amount of circular motion stemming from the tip of the blade (said to be where this alternative physics for lightsabers was stongest). His ability to light it up and move it without major injury was going to be used as an early definite sign of his potential talent. Lastly, though the idea perished before the final ANH edit, you can see a nod to it in ESB when Han cuts open the Tauntaun and seems to have to focus heavily on the blade tip as he does so, having some degree of difficulty (rather, clearly putting a lot of extra concentration into) accomplishing what ought to be a totally uncomplicated, two second slice. Its clearly the result of more than the bad weather. Have you ever heard this or did my head sneak back up my ass AGAIN?
I think a good way to have a kenobi and vader fight without fucking up the canon is to have Obi-Wan in the middle of Force Ghost training encounter the spirit of Vader as a representation of his grief and guilt. That way we get a kinetic fight and have emotionally charged moments.
I love the emotion behind the fight but that choreography it’s not great. I know it’s more about the characters but come on if this had the emotions and a great choreography it would be perfection but I still like it
I mean its the best that the little serial homage movie could make
If they knew they were making a STAR WARS EPISODE IV movie it would have been a lot better
It was the 70s dude
This hits hard after watching the end of the Kenobi series.
I feel like I've just done an MA in cinematography every time I watch one of these videos!
(For those in doubt; this can also be read as; these videos are bloody awesome!!)
Is there any way to see the value of the metal "bescar" through out the timeline and see where and when it's been used?
I love the in-depth analysis of these videos. Spot on guys!
Dave Filoni has to be 100% involved with the Kenobi story. If he’s not I really don’t have faith in it. Some of the other shows can manage maybe I guess but Kenobi has to be a story crafted by Filoni. Ahsoka and especially the episode Twilight of the Apprentice show us how successfully he can weave engaging new narratives that enhance the overall story without disrupting continuity. That’s a rare skill, and they NEED it for the Kenobi series. Plus he wrote thematically important duels for both prequels Obi-Wan and OT Obi-Wan through TCW and Rebels.the only person who could understand his headspace in between III and IV as much would be Lucas himself.
A friend of mine mentioned once that obi wan never intended to win just to unite luke and leia and that's why he smiles before he let's vader strike him down and that he let's himself die to show luke that this enemy will kill you if givin the chance
The og Trilogy duels have grown in me. Growing up I really thought they were outdated and bland compare to the CGI fest of what the prequels was but now I see these duels with more heart than any of the prequels or sequels, yes, even more than Anakin vs Obi-Wan
What would he say to dear old Anakin?
"Hello there."
One thing though, ObiWan-Kenobi was never really defeated by Darth Vader, Kenobi becomes one with the force in Darth Vaders fucking face, that's the most beast thing Kenobi has ever done in my opinion.
Fantastic We Need to Talk About Kevin reference! Love your analysis!
If anyone is excited for the new Obi Wan Kenobi tv series, I would highly recommend the Legends book KENOBI. It’s a a slow paced western-type story, and while it lacks action, I think a lot may value the dissection of Kenobi’s character and the world of Tatooine. Personally hope the show draws some inspiration from the book☺️
You gotta eventually talk about the duels in season two of Mando.
This duel is one of those which is weirdly almost perfect. It's incredibly laid back by swordfight standards. There's little flash, there's no really fast swing's, and there's very little weight to the duel. The reasoning behind this is obvious from a production standpoint, but within universe it might seem hard to justify. But it's actually simple: the duel is a forgone conclusion. Obi wan is an old man by this stage, one who's spent nearly 20 years on a sandy hell of a planet, fighting off small bands of tuscan raiders and little else. Darth vader might not be in his prime either, and his stuff robot joints and heavy life support suit don't help him much. But obi wan was never the duelist anakin was, only his impeccable defense and a lucky piece of high ground let him win there previous encounter. At this stage of his life, in terrain where vader has every advantage, he hasn't a hope. And darth knows this. Sure, he's trying to kill obi wan. But he's also playing with him, in a similar way as obi wan is playing with vader. There is no rush, obi wan death will come. And so they fight, for old times sake as much as for victory over a hated foe.
But why almost perfect, I hear you ask? Well, as much as I like the tone of the duel, conveyed by the coreography quite well, said coreography is a bit shit. Yeah, obi wan probably pisses sand as much as he does urine, but that doesn't justify him fighting like one of the clockwork robot's that can draw a picture would if it was in a swamp to rust for a week and then dried off by throwing it into a bag of cement. And darth vader opens wider than church's doors on good friday with obi wand saber right in front of his face, a single movement away from splitting his skull open.
Obi Wan also knows that he is no longer needed to fight for the light anymore. There is A New Hope. The best thing he can do now is guide Luke, and his frail body would only hold him back from that.
Please do a video on the Reylo fight in Ep 9! There's a lot of gold there. Kylo's "death" and redemption, parallels with Anakin, etc
My only problem with a rematch between Vader and Obi-Wan in the Kenobi Series, is that it Absolutely cannot happen on Tatooine, if it happens on Tatooine then Vader will question why Obi-Wan Chose Tatooine, for his exile and Vader will quickly catch on that Obi-Wan is Protecting something or Someone Important the same way Maul did in Rebels, Obi-Wan needs a good reason for temporarily leaving Tatooine during his Exile to fight Vader because he wouldn't just leave Luke Defenseless for no reason unless it was a really good one, I'm just saying Vader and Obi-Wan's rematch in the show cannot happen on Tatooine, because if it did, Vader would come back and kill Obi-Wan if he didn't succeed the second time and he would most definitely capture Luke after figuring out he was the reason why Obi-Wan was there, and Vader would never stop hunting him.
This is a great video. New viewer, came over from i09.
One point - Obi-Wan deceiving Luke about Vadar's identity in ANH always felt like he was trying to buy into his own belief that Anakin became literally someone else, and he never really made peace with it. Guinness was a masterful actor, so I think his interpretation gave Obi-Wan layers that might not have been present had another actor played that role. I'm not sure Obi-Wan ever really did come to terms with Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. That's why he allowed Vadar to kill him. After protecting and watching over Luke for 20 years (wondering if he'd go down his father's path) he realized his death could serve a higher purpose to turn Luke to the good.
Could u possibly do an analysis of the throne room scene in TLJ? I'd love to see that
To see him trash it? That would be great
@@Stonemon16 it would take an hour long lol
I need to appear in this new Kenobi show.
For me, I have to disagree about wanting to see them face off again between RotS and ANH. After the prequels came out, the idea that it had been so long since they'd seen each other added more gravitas to the situation on the Death Star. All those years Vader was constantly reminded of what Kenobi did to him, and the thought of how much anger and hate Vader must have been emanating at that moment when he saw his old master gives me chills when I watch that scene now. I feel like that would cheapen the original duel for me if we find out they've fought again since Mustafar because it gives Vader another chance to vent all that rage, versus letting it fester and build over the years until he finally lets himself explode on Ben. Which, btw SC38 Reimagined does really well at illustrating, and I like to think of it as canon since it still includes all canon lines and cuts to other characters etc.
Now, I'm not against, say, seeing Kenobi have nightmares where he fights some twisted, mangled form of Anakin. As far as I know Kenobi never actually saw Vader after Mustafar until they met on the Death Star, so you could reason that Kenobi somehow knows Vader is alive, but not what his new costume looks like. If he were to have a nightmare about Vader he'd still see the face of Anakin, but maybe with a red lightsaber this time. It could work, and it could illustrate some of the PTSD that we all assume Obi-Wan must have struggled with, if done right. As to them ACTUALLY facing off, hard no for me.
Frankly, I wouldn't mind if the Kenobi show overlapped into A New Hope. Just to give us a different perspective of the fight, or after.
I’m starting to warm up to the idea of a duel between Vader and Obi Wan taking place in between the two duels we know.
The way Vader and Obi Wan greet each other in the hallway hint that there is some unknown story between them.
For example, the two doesn’t comment on their different appearances which could hint that they have seen each other looking like that before (Vader in the suit and Obi Wan as old).
Secondly, Vader presumably thought Obi Wan to be dead prior to their meeting on the Death Star, something he had no reason to believe following their duel on Mustafar.
Thirdly, Obi Wan refers to Anakin as Darth which is really weird retroactively. It could hint that Anakin at one point insisted for Obi Wan that he was gone for good and therefore Anakin Skywalker no longer exist (like what he told Ahsoka).
This third duel could also tie in to Vader’s line to Luke in Return of the Jedi: ‘Obi Wan once thought as you do’ which wasn’t shown in Revenge of the Sith.
still my favorite star wars fight
The stifled movements from the fight is not just that Lucas wanted the idea of them to be heavy but partially because the prop lightsabers WERE very heavy. So it was partly because of artistic vision from Lucas and partly because of the actual weight and close quarter space they filmed in.
If there is a fight between Vader and Obi wan, surely that will retcon the line in a new hope “When I last faced you I was but a learner, now I am the master”. Of course this refers to the battle of the heroes in episode III, if there was going to be a fight, it would have to be soon after the events of the revenge of the sith so the line still holds up. But not too soon, or else it wouldn’t be able to have the same emotional weight
Vader never said that he was a Jedi learner. He could’ve easily have been talking about learning the dark side
I think the duel should be limited to being a force vision and not an actual physical battle, that way no canon breakage
Man, Obi-Wan really threw fuel into anakins body fire by delimbing and disowning. The small amount of darkness of Obi-Wan killing him is better than the immense darkness anakin/Vader had.
Your thumbnails are so cool.
I am convinced the only way to make the new show work, is for the duel to be a vision as Obi Wan comes to terms with his past. Anything else will just be fan service (that does not serve most fans) and would only ruin the story we have between the prequels and A New Hope. Don't get me wrong I love the idea of bring them both back and seeing a great duel, but I also loved the idea of a Han Solo movie and a trilogy about the future after the fall of the Empire. And while we got cool things in both, overall both served more to harm what we had than to expand and build anything off of it....which was often frustrating and served to only distract from the actual good parts.
I fear if they just have them meet up and duel to a draw it will not come off well, I'd rather watch the worst episode of the Mandalorian than a forced duel between Vader and Obi Wan that does not make much since in their stories, but only looks cool.
Really love the remaster of the duel.
Now I wonder what you think of the Mandalorian ending for season 2. I know its not a duel but still
Well that was the most adrenaline fueled analysis video I’ve ever watched.
hi matt, i know you did a video about ahsoka’s duel with maul, but have you ever thought about doing a longer essay about her development throughout clone wars to rebels to now in the mandalorian? could be interesting if you did it in a similar way to how you did the captain america videos before endgame came out about how the russo’s make captain america great and not boring and instead focus on how dave filoni and the clone wars team turned ashoka from an annoying padawan to a fan favourite
Yes! I'm thinking of doing a bunch of Star Wars character essays next year actually. I'm also going to be going through every episode of Clone Wars on the Full Fat Podcast!
Ashoka sucks
I don’t know if you have already made a video about this. But I’d love to know how you feel about Obi Wan vs Vader duel in the Kenobi series.
Plz talk about mandalorian season 2 final episode, Theyre just GREAT
Oh and also, u another lightsaber fight to review ;)
Does anyone know what the music was at 4:35? It sounds so familiar but I can't place it. Thought it might be from RoS but I couldn't find it.
It’s ‘I’m So Sorry’ from RotS, from the scene when Obi Wan tells Padme about Anakin’s turn.
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@@jacksonscott3667 Thank you!
The only thing I really need was Obi-Wan and Ahsoka vs Darth Vader. Unfortunately that probably won't happen, but man, would that be cool 😅
Even though it's a little controversial, I really like the "rhythm" between this scene and Luke and Kylo in the last jedi. I particularly love how the idea of the master's final lesson lines up, as they are both really saying, "ya, you can cut me down right now like you have wanted to for so long, and that my death will fulfill you no more than any other death has fulfilled you." With both of them disappearing into the force just a moment after the pupil had thought they finally reached the pinnacle and overshadowed them
All of the yes to your mini-rant on aluminum.
From an American. 👍
Didn’t concept art have Vader with a green Saber?
I'm so eager to hear your thoughts on the S2 finale of Mandalorian, just because I think it could potentially play into this. And of coarse the Obi-Wan series coming out.
great video as always my man! could we expect a vid abt a certain mando scene in the future?¿
Speaking of this scene, to anyone who hasn't seen it. Watch scene 38, it's an amazing quality fan made remake of this fight. And it is probably the most beautiful duel I have seen
I personally think it's a little over the top, but it's incredibly well made regardless.
The first lightsaber fight we all saw was between obi-wan and darth Vader. It’s only fitting that the prequels ended with obi-wan vs darth Vader.
My idea for the Kenobi series is that Obi Wan is kinda emotionally going down hill in the beginning because of his PTSD (while he's on Tatooine doing basically nothing all his life). Then suddenly he starts to hear Qui Gon's voice in his head. He kinda refuses it to believe at first until he get's attacked by a few people hunting him and the Qui Gon voice tells him what to do and it works. Qui Gon then sends him on a journey to become a force ghost.
This ends eventually in a sort of force vision of him and Vader on Death Star with Luke being there. But every time he fights something goes wrong. He can't beat Vader. So either he dies too quickly, or Luke dies. Everytime something goes wrong, the vision starts over and over again. Every time Obi Wan tries something new. At this point he learns his final and most important lesson to become a force ghost: he needs to accept that he will live on after death and that he can still help Luke after he dies. He needs to let go and let Vader kill him. This eventually changed him and made him the way he is.
Please make a Video on the new Christmas/New Years Doctor Who special
I agree with you that Obi and Vader likely met at least one time between EP 3 and 4. In ROTJ he knew that Vader had been "...more machine now, twisted and evil..." Yes, he may have guessed that since Vader had survived (very likely it was broadcast around the Empire, probably touted as another case of the Jedi trying to assassinate the Emperor's right hand man) and the only way would have been for him to survive was to be given prosthetics (otherwise the Emperor would have killed him off/let him die and found a new apprentice), but, after ROTJ came out and that line was in it, I always suspected that Vader and Obi met up prior to EP 4 and after the confrontation that ended up Vader getting the prosthetics (at the time ROTJ came out, it was not known which EP it would be in or if it would actually be in an EP). But then, it is vague and not definitive and I would be OK if it was decided there was no Vader vs. Kenobi duel between EP3 and EP4.
Jeez those are some good cuts
The Beginning of a Truly Inspiring Trilogy and Phenomenon 🖤🖤❤🔥
You should cover some of the hand to hand fights in the clone wars
4:35 what track is playing here I know it’s order 66 but it sounds a lot like what is 66 from the clone wars? Please find me on Facebook and message me what the name is.