The Ashmont-Mattapan High Speed Line (and other quirks of the Boston Red Line)

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  • @erik_griswold
    @erik_griswold Рік тому +34

    The PCCs on the Mattapan line are also interesting because they were approved for construction during WW2. That meant special consideration to divert materials from the war effort to building new streetcars, and this was not something done casually.

    • @tylerkochman1007
      @tylerkochman1007 Рік тому +3

      To be fair, it made sense to do that because the more people riding public transit, the less automobiles being used and the more fuel spared for use by the troops. Yes, metal was also valuable, but using it to preserve fuel during the war effort was clearly a justifiable use

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 Рік тому +1

      Also rubber for new tires were rationed.

  • @erik_griswold
    @erik_griswold Рік тому +36

    The chimes at Kendall were installed almost 40 years ago so its not surprising that they aren’t in working order anymore. Fun fact: they were designed by Henri Matisse’s grandson.

    • @andrew_ray
      @andrew_ray Рік тому +2

      They still work on the northbound platform as of March 10. The sound ones have been broken for years.

  • @eugeneking1462
    @eugeneking1462 2 роки тому +16

    Visited Boston in 2007 and rode the Red, Orange, Blue and Green Lines. Unfortunately the A-M High Speed Line was closed for repairs. I did get to ride the #71 trolley bus though.

  • @beanpole256
    @beanpole256 Рік тому +7

    I live in Mattapan, and use the high speed line frequently, i found this video while looking for a video game that included this line in its contents, but am happy to see that others appreciate its beauty!😌

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +2

      It’s a great little line !

  • @Pauley_in_GP
    @Pauley_in_GP Рік тому +15

    Growing up in Boston in the 50s and 60s, I spent quite a bit of time on the subway and trolleys including the Mattapan-Ashmont line. (I lived in Mattapan off of Blue Hill Ave.) It was during those years I became a rail fan - and several PCC trolleys now run on my model railroad layouts. (It's so neat that the PCC cars were saved.)
    Enjoyed the video. Good job! And thanks for the memories.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +3

      I’m glad I could bring you some nostalgia! Boston has a great little train system, compared to what I’ve seen in other parts of the country. Hopefully others will cherish the history like we do.

    • @lindaterrell5535
      @lindaterrell5535 Місяць тому +1

      Used to live off River St

    • @Pauley_in_GP
      @Pauley_in_GP Місяць тому

      @@lindaterrell5535 IIRC, that was close to Mattapan Square, where I spent much time. Did you ever go to the Oriental Theater?

  • @andrew_ray
    @andrew_ray Рік тому +9

    It's high-speed because unlike the other streetcar lines, it ran in a dedicated right-of-way. This meant it could run as fast as 25MPH, while other lines were limited to 10-15MPH.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому

      Interesting!

    • @Tubes12AX7k
      @Tubes12AX7k 3 місяці тому +1

      And limited stops, as well. The Philadelphia and New Jersey suburbs also have some good remaining high speed lines for rail fans.

    • @ryan225360
      @ryan225360 2 місяці тому

      @@Tubes12AX7kNorristown high speed line!

  • @erik_griswold
    @erik_griswold Рік тому +5

    Before the extension up Mass Ave to Porter Square, Davis Square and Alewife, the tracks headed under Boylston Street (now JFK Street) to a Yard where the Kennedy School of Government now stands. That meant that the double-stacked Red Line tracks lined up with the bus tunnel for easy transfer between the Streetcars and later Trackless Trolleys to the Red Line Trains in both directions.

  • @amfm889
    @amfm889 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for pointing out the musical-art at Kendall/MIT. The chimes are called "The Kendall Band", and I always made a point to "play" them when at the station. In the past the T has called in the artist who created it, and the two others, the gong and the rattling sheet, to repair them when needed. Time for another call!

  • @PeterWarner-yz7tb
    @PeterWarner-yz7tb 10 днів тому

    San Diego has two active PCC cars and one heritage Siemens U-2 model car. The two PCC cars are former NJTR 10 (now SDER 530) AND former SFMR 1122 (now SDER 529) And the U-2 is former San Diego Trolley 1001.

  • @junesilvermanb2979
    @junesilvermanb2979 Рік тому +2

    The Ashmont-Mattapan High-Speed Line, commonly referred to as the Mattapan Trolley, is a partially grade-separated light rail line which forms part of the MBTA's Red Line rapid transit line.
    The line, which runs through Boston and Milton, Massachusetts, opened on August 26, 1929, as a conversion of a former commuter rail line.
    It exclusively uses PCC streetcars, supported by a maintenance team of blacksmiths and metalworkers who make parts for the historic rolling stock.
    Passengers must transfer at Ashmont to access the rest of the Red Line, which uses heavy rail metro rolling stock.
    The trolley's 2.6-mile (4.2 km) route is used only by streetcars and has just two public grade crossings.
    All stations have low platforms, but all except Valley Road have been retrofitted with wheelchair lifts or wooden ramps for accessibility.
    Unlike most heritage streetcar lines, it is an integral part of the modern MBTA transit system rather than a tourist attraction.

  • @ljones436
    @ljones436 7 місяців тому +1

    Although I grew up in Tennessee, my Mum is from Milton. When we'd go to visit my grandparents in Milton, the thing I looked forward to the most was going downtown, taking the trolley from Lower Milton Mills to Ashmont and then the subway into downtown. It is the coolest transit line in the nation, in my humble opinion.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  7 місяців тому

      It is very cool! A museum and a metro all in one

  • @IaHarbour
    @IaHarbour 5 місяців тому

    It’s worth noting that the branches actually split before JFK/Umass, so there are two separate platforms for each line. This gives the station a unique situation where announcements for Alewife bound trains include which platform the service is arriving on, as they could arrive on one of two disconnected platforms.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  5 місяців тому

      That is a really cool setup. I'll have to check it out next time.

  • @G-Forces
    @G-Forces Рік тому +3

    Actually part of the reason they didn't use heavy rail on the Mattapan line is because of it's level crossings. Heavy rail was deemed to dangerous because it would be much harder to stop the train in emergencies, such as a car being stuck on the track.

  • @EddieLeindecker-re1hg
    @EddieLeindecker-re1hg 8 місяців тому +1

    I especially love how they make the audio announcements in the station, telling passengers how long it will be until their train arrives

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  8 місяців тому

      That is very convenient, especially for people with vision impairments!

  • @clearlycut_
    @clearlycut_ Рік тому +3

    Ashmont trollies are technically apart of the green line system since its light rail. Even though the ashmont trollies connect with the red line as an extension. Heavy rail conductors are not trained to operate the ashmont trolles, green line operators are.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому

      Just because they use the same pool of staff doesn’t mean they’re part of the green line system

  • @TheBostonR
    @TheBostonR 5 місяців тому

    Note, I believe the 'high speed trolley', is the only train service in the US to pass through a cemetery. I live in Milton, but it's only a 7 min walk to Mattapan Sq from my house.

  • @jamieryall8341
    @jamieryall8341 2 роки тому +2

    I lived in Mattapan & Roxbury in the '50s as a kid & remember traveling with my mother on the cars.

  • @Anon21486
    @Anon21486 Рік тому +1

    Regarding the PCC... my understanding is that the major issue for the replacement of the PCC with new light rail is that the bridges the Mattapan line runs through can not support a lot of weight. To put into perspective, the newer Green Line trolleys are too heavy for the bridges. I also think that the new trolleys may be too wide for the existing infrastructure, including the loop at Ashmont...

  • @hirampriggott1689
    @hirampriggott1689 2 місяці тому

    Wow! I haven't been down there in years! So many memories!

  • @BobNWFA
    @BobNWFA 2 роки тому +2

    Absolutely wonderful! I especially love your explanation, with maps, of the history of the line. Thank you!

  • @mikeappignani4383
    @mikeappignani4383 5 місяців тому +1

    Boston has an awesome T SYSTEM 👏. Amazing That those old Trains are RUNNING 😊

  • @CameronLandels
    @CameronLandels 2 роки тому +3

    Hi Thom. I really enjoyed the video! Thanks for sharing with us the history of both lines and the fun facts. It must feel like you stepped back in time whilst riding the PCC cars. I know the Newark Light Rail used PCC cars until 2001. I do like the look of the new rolling stock for the Orange, Red and Green lines. Looking forward to the next video from Boston. 🙂

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +2

      The next video will be the green line! My personal favorite (although the Ashmont-Mattapan line is a close second).
      It was a blast from the past! Though there were a lot of PCCs in the Netherlands in the last century, I never actually rode one until here in Boston.
      They run in Kenosha, Wisconsin, too. Planning to go there maybe in the fall.
      Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @Senor.semaj11
    @Senor.semaj11 Рік тому

    My dad works at William Ravis, Wich is at central ave. I was obsessed at watching the trolley when i went there

  • @Edgeworthian
    @Edgeworthian 10 місяців тому

    The PCC cars on the Ashmont-Mattapan line are the oldest still in revenue service. Boston is one of about half a dozen agencies in North America that still use PCCs in some type of revenue service. The four cars still in operation were originally purchased for service on what is now the green line.

  • @pepperpillow
    @pepperpillow 2 роки тому +2

    I don’t know why but I thought Cambridge was like, further away from Boston then that. I had no idea Harvard and Boston had freaking subway stations!

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +6

      Yeah, Cambridge is basically just an extension of Boston, just across the River! Both areas are really fun and beautiful, and I’d definitely include Cambridge in your sightseeing plans for Boston.

  • @kevinwason6762
    @kevinwason6762 Рік тому +1

    Thom....... I always learn something when watching your clips, Please keep up the good work.

  • @paulinojs1994
    @paulinojs1994 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @CABOOSEBOB
    @CABOOSEBOB Рік тому +4

    Rip trolleybus, bring back them or the streetcars

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +3

      Bring back everything!

  • @NoNameNoClue
    @NoNameNoClue 2 місяці тому

    Cleanest station I've ever seen in my life lmao

  • @lindaterrell5535
    @lindaterrell5535 Місяць тому

    Another nice one is te Riverside line that goes trough Brookline

  • @jonnyfennessy9812
    @jonnyfennessy9812 Рік тому

    The former head house of Havard Sta. Was used as a news paper stand called Out of Town news. The
    M.B.T.A over the M.T.A in 1966. Changing names of some stations, & using color codes to differentiate the lines. Blue, Orange, etc. When the T expanded to the South shore, the used silver cars instead of red.

  • @ChrisH-1952
    @ChrisH-1952 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent in every way: informative (I learned about Harvard and where it is), well videoed and edited (great use of cutting in shots from other places and times), clear commentary and explanations (the graphics really helped my understanding of somewhere I know nothing about). Well done once again. Pity the musical 'art' wasn't functioning, but you can't have everything. By the way, I forgot to mention before that I noticed the upgrade to your opening titles a few weeks ago so they match the HD of the rest of the presentation. Attention to detail 👍

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +1

      I’ve been working hard on my videos, so it means a lot to me to hear that you’ve noticed it!
      A friend of mine made the new title thing, he’s really talented!
      I think the art installation was installed about a decade or so ago, and then the MBTA never paid to keep it up. There’s obviously better things for them to spend money on, but it’s still kind of sad.

  • @travgames0113
    @travgames0113 5 місяців тому

    You timed the red line proper right. It can get so crowded you feel like sardines. And just a note, the red line currently does not have a blue line connection, supposedly it is being built as part of a MGH project, and downtown crossing has an orange line connection. Oh, and the tracks at JFK/UMass serve 3 commuter rail lines, and the station has a weird configuration. Braintree and Ashmont trains split/merge before/after JFK/UMass and each branch as an inbound and outbound platform, and one commuter rail platform.

  • @ck4426
    @ck4426 2 роки тому

    As always, we really enjoyed this video and learned a lot!!! We love that they were made in 1945-46 and still at work!!! Wonderful!!!

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +1

      I really hope they stay around for a while yet, I think it’s such a cool nod to the past. I’m glad you enjoyed the video, this one was a lot of fun to film!

  • @ronniemosley3968
    @ronniemosley3968 Рік тому

    Gotta come again they have newly built pcc with modernized features and that old pcc style everyone loves

  • @ClassyWhale
    @ClassyWhale 2 роки тому +2

    Loving your videos, Thom! You should've met up with Miles in Transit in Boston :)

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +2

      Haha, I was on a well-earned vacation with my wife! Maybe next time

  • @tommarino1056
    @tommarino1056 Рік тому

    Thanks for an enjoyable and informative video.

  • @johnkolassa1645
    @johnkolassa1645 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. Too bad about the trolley busses.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому

      Yeah, at least the Silver line is still around. But welcome to the US of A, where even in 2022 electric transit is replaced with gas…

  • @erik_griswold
    @erik_griswold Рік тому

    The branches split after Andrew, but later on a platform was added to the Braintree Branch at Columbia, now JFK/UMass.

  • @SebisRandomTech
    @SebisRandomTech Рік тому +1

    Any plans to come to Pittsburgh? You might find the light rail system here to be rather interesting.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +1

      I’ve always wanted to. No plans as of yet.

    • @SebisRandomTech
      @SebisRandomTech Рік тому +2

      @@Thom-TRA Get out here as soon as you can. The Library Line in particular is super cool and very scenic similar to the Mattapan - Ashmont line. It may be endangered soon due to low ridership. The rest of the network is pretty neat in its own right, still using broad “Pennsylvania Trolley” gauge and a mix of high and low level platforms. If you’re lucky you might also get to ride on the Allentown Line while they’re running detours - the line is entirely street running and has a lot of sharp curves and steep (up to 9.5% I believe) grades but is only used during reroutes.

  • @eugeneking1462
    @eugeneking1462 2 роки тому +3

    What did you think of the Red Lline subway trains running red lights in front?

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +3

      It’s definitely a strange sight at first! since the red line doesn’t mix with other lines I don’t think it’s too much of a problem, but it would seem to me that red light doesn’t provide as much illumination at night/underground as regular lights would.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 Рік тому

      @@Thom-TRA except the red lights are additional to regular headlights

  • @lindaterrell5535
    @lindaterrell5535 Місяць тому

    Mattapan trams used to be bi directional. With controls on each end

  • @joshthomas8986
    @joshthomas8986 Рік тому +1

    Boston is A great city!

  • @briansivley2001
    @briansivley2001 2 роки тому +3

    4:43 I would say maybe waiting for the train that Charlie is on😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +3

      Poor Charlie. Wanted to give him a nickel but I’m afraid the fares have increased more than that since then!

  • @joshc2650
    @joshc2650 2 роки тому

    7:33 Im used to the Doors Closing announcment on the L instead of the T

  • @TravelsByTransit
    @TravelsByTransit 10 місяців тому

    I love your vids!

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  10 місяців тому

      I’m glad!

    • @TravelsByTransit
      @TravelsByTransit 10 місяців тому

      @@Thom-TRA Do you plan on going to Boston anytime soon?

  • @nickleonardo5474
    @nickleonardo5474 2 роки тому +1

    Next time you come to Boston let me know

  • @londonwhaley8690
    @londonwhaley8690 Рік тому

    I enjoyed the video👍👍

  • @mtasubwaymartasubway
    @mtasubwaymartasubway 3 місяці тому

    It's a shame there's no video's of the Boston transportation back in the early 1900s like nyc subway

  • @jack615
    @jack615 Рік тому

    Also there are 3 commuter rail lines that parallel the Red Line Middleboro Kingston and Greenbush

  • @gethighonlife11
    @gethighonlife11 2 роки тому

    @11:10 I swear that those buses look like Pace buses! LOL!

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому

      They’re probably the same model. There’s only so many that all the bus operators in America choose from!

  • @shreddedbulgariamapperofficial
    @shreddedbulgariamapperofficial 11 місяців тому

    I like the mattapan line because it’s very old school

  • @e12310
    @e12310 3 місяці тому

    Was that Tommy T playing the harmonica at Harvard Square Station?

  • @tonymento7460
    @tonymento7460 Рік тому +1

    The Ashmont Mattapan line had Type - 4 cars during the rush hour was Type - 4 with center entrance trailers they were replace with the Type - 5 cars then the All Electric PCC ‘s with some Type - 5 cars used in the rush hour in 1959 the Type - 5’s
    and the All Electric cars were replace with the X - Dallas cars from Dallas Texas they stayed until the 1980’s they were replace by the picture window cars that were built by Pullman Standard they were the last PCC cars built by Pullman Standard then in 1986 these cars were replaced by the rebuilt PCC cars that were rebuilt back in the early 1980’s these were rebuild by the MBTA at the Riverside shops then in 1990 they were rebuild again at the Riverside shops with A/C Brookville car company has been building parts for the
    PCC ‘s this the same company that rebuild the PCC cars for SF MUNI and SEPTA the PCC’s are going to be replace by the Type - 9 LRV’s in 2025 when the new Type - 10 110 foot long LRV ‘s come in from CAF USA Inc

  • @Nakedbilove408
    @Nakedbilove408 Рік тому

    Welcome to Boston
    And that's my dog's name Ashmont the trolley is part of the green light

  • @billmalovich9050
    @billmalovich9050 4 місяці тому

    I noticed your claim of getting on a clean car. I've been riding the T for 40+ years and I've NEVER been on a clean car. In fact the Orange Line cars appear to have never been washed. As for the Art exhibit at Kendall, the T has never wasted money on maintenance of any kind. Wait a few years and come back to the Red/Orange Line and you'll see my point

  • @lindaterrell5535
    @lindaterrell5535 Місяць тому

    All the antiques end up in mattapan line

  • @ani2595
    @ani2595 Рік тому

    Do you think the line should extend to past Mattapan and into Roslindale?

  • @jtrgames3881
    @jtrgames3881 6 місяців тому

    3:33 01616 RETURNS!!!!!!

  • @EmilePoelman
    @EmilePoelman 2 роки тому

    Nice video, again! Why is this tram called a trolley,Thom?

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  2 роки тому +6

      In America, old trams are called trolleys. Trolleys collect electricity differently than normal trams or trains, using a trolley pole rather than a pantograph.
      In fact, that’s why they call it trolleybuses, because these buses collect electricity in the same way that trolleys do.

  • @waltertomashefsky2682
    @waltertomashefsky2682 Рік тому

    😊 So… how come the Red Line cars are painted Orange at Ashmont? Did somebody run out of red paint? Actually it looks like they ran out of orange paint too. And that cream color for the interior. Send these PCCs to San Francisco - they know how to take care of their old fleet on Market Street. And how can they call a 2.5 mile line with 8 stops "high speed"?
    I come from the Boston area and rode the T many years going to school, and then working in Boston, so I think I’ve earned the right to poke fun at them. I used to ride orange-painted PCC cars on the Green line and I have a soft spot somewhere for them - and it’s a shame that the T has let them go to seed like that.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +1

      The High Speed dates back to when there were trolley lines on the streets and faster lines that ran on dedicated rights of way.

    • @lloydsheck1268
      @lloydsheck1268 Рік тому

      ​@@blue9multimediagroup very true it pays homage to the MTA days

  • @seamusmckeon9109
    @seamusmckeon9109 Рік тому

    It would be interesting to see a modern Flexity streetcar or other modern vehicle on the line

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +1

      It would, but it would be such a shame that this piece of history disappears.

  • @blackpanda7298
    @blackpanda7298 9 місяців тому

    Wow those door chimes are bonkers 😂

  • @chrisorr8601
    @chrisorr8601 Рік тому +1

    Fun fact about legally blonde, while it was set in Harvard it was almost entirely filmed at my UCLA

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому

      Wow I did not know that!

  • @1jamarks
    @1jamarks Рік тому

    You're showing me that google maps does a piss poor job of showing "transit" options. When you enable the "show transit options" layer in google maps it's showing the redline but not this Mattapan Trolley. It's the same for that new Redlands extension you recently reviewed. I thought it was because it was new and they hadn't updated it yet. This Mattapan line clearly isn't new. I guess I need to find another map program.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому +1

      You’re right, the Google maps option is just terrible. There are entire systems just not shown. Apple is slightly better in my experience. But still, a good transit map is the best.

  • @meltrain
    @meltrain Рік тому

    Why are the subway trains showing red lights at te front? It really confuses me.

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  Рік тому

      Red line

    • @Qboro66
      @Qboro66 Рік тому

      And yet, the operating ends are equipped with sealed beams...🤔

  • @dalecaldwell
    @dalecaldwell 5 місяців тому

    Did Charlie ever get off?

    • @Thom-TRA
      @Thom-TRA  5 місяців тому

      I hope so

    • @elefante8572
      @elefante8572 4 дні тому

      He never returned, no he never returned and his fate is still unlearned (as the song goes, look up “Charlie on the MTA” the song has a great history)