This is the Most Useful Unit in AoE2
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A ship’s crew trying to throw buckets of water overboard while the Halberdier just continues to poke holes in the hull.
Funny
I would have thought the most useful unit is the villager.
😂
"unit"
@@MuzluPattes16 Yes, unit, not military unit.
Im dead 🤣 11
Yes
Imo the halberdier is one of the main reasons why this game is so fun to play. There's something enjoyable about seeing swarms of cheap units get destroyed easily by most units in the game, and yet the unit is so cheap that both players want to spam it against each other. Even when you lose the game against halberdiers you'll still see kill a bunch of them and it will feel satisfying. As a result it is a good example of a thing that is both fun to play as and fun to play against, something most other games struggle to achieve.
can you believe that the halbadier wasnt even part of the original game?
Dang, this may be the true cheap-unit balance.
This we call the Imperial Guard effect in Warhammer. You always feel like you killed something against the Guard, you'll have wiped some infantry at least, even when you get stomped. Everyone loves guard players.
know what ur saying. Like losing vs Goths as turks even though you have a 5:1 KDR 😂
That's why playing with Goths can be so satisfying.
Hera: It's not viable to micro 20 monks in lategame
Ganji: And I took that personally
Same story in real life too. Pointy sticks have always been useful in warfare up until the 20th century.
that's still pointy stick but indefinitely longer and lighter that pokes holes 300-12000 times a second...
The best way to realize the usefulness of the halberdier is to have a civ limited to spearmen or pikemen, and be attacked by elephants, paladins or lightcav...
Most of the civs that are missing the full spearline have alternatives though, like heavy camels
@@stuartmacaulay5761 its still awful to get attacked by elephants even if you have good camels, the bonus damage is lame in comparison to halbs. For reference, fully upgraded hindustani imperial camels are only slightly more cost effective than khmer (no special bonus) elite battle elephants. In this case the hindustani get 1.14 cost efficiency and khmer 0.87. And for elite war elephants its atrocious, hindustani get 0.71 cost efficiency and 0.37 pop efficiency, persians get 1.41 cost and 2.74 pop, and thats without taking into account the splash damage. And the pikemen arent even fully upgraded, so pikemen against elite battle elephant is even worse than elite camels at 0.93 cost efficiency (but costing no gold). Meanwhile a generic halb civ like cumans can trade with halberdier against elite battle elephants at 2.08 cost efficiency.
So yes, civs missing full spear line are torture against elephant civs, even fully upgraded pikes trade only at 1.4 (which is pretty good but nowhere near halb) against generic elephants, it works as a soft counter, but not much more. And generic camels dont even compete, the best one is gurjaras with a 1.4 trade, and they better do cause they have no pike, but even that is the same trade as generic pikes but with gold added
@@stuartmacaulay5761 Sure, but that's not necessary a perfect replacement. Heavy camels are more expensive, and they can be vulnerable to ranged units and halberdiers.
@@stuartmacaulay5761 Heavy camels actually don't trade well with massed war elephants/elite battle elephant. Unlike halberdier, they don't have extra bonus damage against elephants.
CC: Turks and Gurjaras
No one believes the answer was not hussar, for Hera.
Hussar is the best, but not the most useful one.
big pokey stick man better than horsey man
I played a Teuton mirror on Arena once where I went full halb into the enemy's Teutonic knights and won. Yes, my halbs got shredded, but he'd forwarded me with a castle drop early on, and once I'd trebbed that back he only had one or two castles left at home for TTK production, so I just needed to keep throwing halbs into the meat grinder long enough for my trebs to kill his remaining castles and cut off his production. I was also teching into hand cannons behind, but wound up not needing them.
Halberdier + Siege = Destroying everything
Dies to bombard cannons + gunpowder units
@@ulisses_nicolau_barros As long as they survive good nice fire balls from SO 11
Hard dies to champions...................... in theory.........................
Mangudai: why hello there
Can’t even touch the mangudai
I see that silhouette: "It's Pikachu!".
As a Goth player I agree
On the "Halbardier vs gold alternative" front, it's probably even better than you mentioned
Firstly, Compared with Camels, sure, Camels are faster... But *They also take some anti-cav bonus damage*, so if you're one of the rare Halb + Heavy Camel civs, you might find more use out of Halbs.
Secondly, sure Kamyuk's extra range and attack speed means they are usually going to be better against elephants... But elephants or not, they're *Castle* units. Unless you have enough castles that you're constantly pop capped making Kamyuks AND trebs, halbs are still a unit from a different building that serve the anti-cavalry role. Sure, you could stick with just making Kamyuks and leaving the barracks to make gold options, but that's not always feasible.
You can still buy time by "baiting" enemy Champions by your Halbs, but at the end still watch out mostly on enemy's Heavy Scorpions (S/Onagers or normal ones too). Then crush them by any siege weapons/cavs, etc.
It will be even better to lure any Xbows and Cav Archers with your Halbs as "bait" until you can strike them back with your Heavy Cavs/back with your own Xbows/Cav Archers.
In the case when enemy mainly controlling Xbows and Cav Archers, they will lose so many APM just microing them against your "bait" Halbs.
Hera, could you do a video second buildings' building order? I'm okayisch on team games, but sometimes its overwhelming how many e.g. stables or other buildings the other players have in comparison to me. I don't even know where they got the resources and time to build so much. When do you build a second, third military building? How many vills to put on that, what to do with them in the meantime? That would be interesting I think.
0:24 I miss the Hindustani's having access to them :(
I'm surprised the synergy with siege ram didn't get a mention here. I've always found siege ram halb to be quite a powerful composition and a good way to spend the trickle of relic gold.
I remember playing Age of Kings as a kid and only having the pikeman and was like damn these are just not that good, then came the Xpac and seeing that Halb tech for the first time was like wow lets go because it is also an imperial age tech, such a good unit. Favorite Civ bonus for Halbs is the Bohemysss, very close 2nd Lithuanyss
I imagine Skirmishers fall off so hard because they do not have a generic imp upgrade.
I think ranged units in general fall off a fair bit in Imperial age when army sizes become too large for focus fire to be practical. The arbalest has the same problem of lacking pop efficiency in late game.
What is a ship's biggest weakness? Holes.
What do halberdiers do? Poke holes.
That's why they deal bonus damage against ships. Need I say more?
crazy that u uploaded this video i have been thinking halbs literally counters everything and even when they don't counter they usually get very cost effience battle. its so good against every mounted units, since lets say halbs vs conqs u still need to micro the conqs back n forth killing halbs while u can just spam them and fix ur eco. i was always the kind of guy that thinks u always need one ranged unit and one meele unit, but honestly halb + cav is so good. i hope they buff archers little bit so we see more archer play.
Composition "halb-everything" 💪🏼🔥
The comedic timing of the halbs looking at the demo after sinking the 3 other ships before deciding to go blow themselves up was golden.
The halb gets 50% increase in general dmg output over pikes. That means now they're actually somewhat threatening to things like siege and vils. They're truly the infantry unit of AOE2. A cheap, expendable grunt to serve as meat shield.
Devs to Camel civs: we taking away the most useful unit in the game and letting you have a unique unit that isn't as useful.
Camel is a powerspike unit like archers... strong early castle age and early imperial when you can make camels/heavy camels that absolutely shut down knight/cavalier/paladin play. Once halberdier spam is already on the field, you should transition away from pure camels.
Thinking about the 9 hour game I had where the map nearly ran out of wood and so champions were cheaper to spam than Halberdiers
FFA player here. Can confirm halb is one of the best units for ffas. Only downside is sometimes lumber can be low and in those cases just having a food dump unit like hussar is better. But overall great unit halb
I beat a late game Mongol army with swarms of Teuton halb, scouts and bombard cannon few heavy scorp mixed in. And he had mangudai, hussar, SO, seige ram and even champions later.
As a Saracen player, I have a lot of envy for the halberdier.
halbadier's OP. you should do a challenge where you play an S tier tournament and only make halberdier, see if you can still win
Can't believe you would betray the Husar
Give vikings halberdier!
considering halbs (being a counter to horses) are a better all-round-unit than the militia line (which is the intented all-rounder) is kinda sad :(
The difference between being great at one thing and at least passable at everything else vs being passable at everything.
The most fundamental rock-paper-scissors design of AOE is cav->archer->infantry->cav, and there's also a lot of asymmetry in this rps triangle - archers completely abuse and destroy inf and vills while taking no damage, cav can ignore fights they dislike and force fights they like and are great raiders, but inf don't really have a niche other than building smashers, which isn't typically that valuable. I also actually think Militia line is underrated as a ram substitute in the late game, I use them a lot if im playing a civ that farms heavily in imp such as Berber or Bulgarian.
Hussars rise up!
I was so sure he talked about the villager.
Villagers are overpowered. Specially if they are Spanish.
Summary of the video - Halberdier OP. Needs nerf. 11
Also called LE PIKKIE by me and others italian member and considered the best unit in the game 😏🤪😁
Agree 100 % Hera !! I also believe that skirms are the least useful trash unit in late game, especially in a open map pure trash scenario, when both players have 200 pop .
I mean it's the only trash unit that caps in castle age unless you are or are allied to Vietnamese so that makes sense
I low key expected a bait and switch, and you saying the hussar is the most useful unit
damn I thought it will be the villager
Harbs are my favourite
They are good because no one goes for champions because you need a bazilion of upgrades for them
is that the obuch that i see in the thumbnail?? how toxy
The most useful unit is not the hussar? Who are you and what have you done with Hera?
Most usefully unit is the knight. It basically the essential unit of aoe. Everything else is hard to play
Of course pointy boys counter ships. Boarding pikes and all that.
My pick 4 the most useful unit: MONK
Why is the hussar madman telling us to go halb?
Aren’t halbediers good only because cavalry is good? If cavalry becomes nerfed halbs lose value. Am I right in thinking this?
Wish Vikings got Halbs but their pikes are close enough.
They'd be way too strong due to the HP buff and the chieftains upgrade. Infact Viking pikes have more HP and bonus than regular halbs.
@@stuartmacaulay5761 true but Halbs look better in game play than pikes lol
@@breadbug true
But does it counter knights?
They wear dresses thou....
So what your saying is knights counter pikes but cavalier and paladins don't counter halbs, BUT halbs counter skirms
I think the hussar is the best unit, but halb is #2 for sure
IMO Villager?
So as a poles player who only gets pikemen. What do i do?
Spam so many cavalier that you just overwhelm the paladins or battle elephants or camels or whatever else you were worried about. And if it's something crazy like elite battle elephants or Gurjara camels, then use monks.
@@teddyhaines6613 Also poles have arbalests, obuch, hand cannoneer and winged hussar, all top tier units. Poles should never resort to pikemen since their own winged hussar is so much stronger than a regular hussar.
@@skipper472 Not hand cannons, actually.
Very good suggestions. Ty
the most useful unit is obviously a villager 🙃
AOE2 before the first expansion, before halbs was available, was miserable. Paladin spam was basically everything.
The only downside is I don't like how they look like. Pikeman is way cooler
I didnt imagine max holloway knew so much about aoe2 👏 very nice
I really like halbs. But the most useful units are
1)Vilager
2)Fishing Ships
3)Trading Cart
4)Monk
5)BBC
hi
I cant believe you're cheating on the Hussar with the Halb. So rude!
villager
this guy is such a noob, clearly the best unit is the cobra car
Sorry persians...
That’s why Azetcs sux in late game…
Hmm, not convinced, brother, not convinced... having played 1000+ in the last year, I can't recall losing a single game to any halb composition. And I'm not a super skilled player😊
As a Turks player I disagree :D