Described as meyerbeers best opera. I can't say I've even listened to it in its entirety. Wagner had little time for it as he headed towards works like lohengrin. Of the first three operas I prefer his first, the fairies. What astonishes me is that when you listen to rienzi it's very hard to keep thinking this is the man who wrote parsifal. 30 or 40 years separate the two. I do love the beautiful melody of the rienzi overture, and it is this overture I go to when I want to listen to his style of the time. How amazing also that he had not even completed rienzi when he conceived the Dutchman. It still amazes me how quick was his progress.
I had no idea this early Wagner work was so entertaining. I've always accepted the received opinion that it was simply warmed-over Meyerbeer. Too bad the video is lousy, but the performance is exciting.
It's a grand opera in the French tradition but there is a lot of post WWII mythology built up about Meeyerbeer. The truth is that Meyerbeer was something in the way of an Andrew Lloyd Webber. He wrote big shows with a few great tunes but lots of empty stock music. Wagner was already intuitively a much better composer than Meyerbeer when he came to Paris and Meyerbeer found him to be a threat. Young Wagner was not yet an antisemite and in fact wrote Meyebeer many flattering letters in the hope of getting some help. Meyerbeer's idea of "help" was giving Wagner the lowest form of hack music and establishing Wagner as a lower level arranger. Meyerbeer knew full well that this kind of reputation would limit Wagner in his pursuit of better work. The ugly truth about Meyerbeer is that he did indeed inhibit not only Wagner's career but many other composers as well, including Berlioz, who never snapped and became an antisemite. It's also true that Meyerbeer took mercy upon the Wagners and recommended Rienzi to Dresden. In this way he was able to "help Wagner" and get him out of Paris at the same time. Rienzi became a smash hit in Dresden, which made Meyerbeer quite nervous. Meyerbeer was not only the most important composer in Paris, but, as originally a Jewish German from a banking family, was also the most important composer in Berlin. Meyerbeer kiboshed Rienzi in Berlin. This is when Wagner snapped and finally turned against Meyerbeer. This soured relationship along with the equally unpleasant relationship Wagner had with Felix Mendelssohn is what helped to cause his hardered Antisemitic views. Even in those however Wagner was never a proponent of violence and later in life denounced any violent actions against Jews. Wagner also was a proponent of establishing a Jewish homeland. He therefore would have been, ironically enough, a pro Zionist.
infelizmente uma ópera fadada ao esquecimento por vários fatores; assim como todas as grande operas francesa, ela utiliza um gigantesco corpo de artistas e exuberantes cenários, tornando-se inviável para ser produzida; A ópera é rejeitada pelos fanáticos por Grand Opera por ser do Wagner e rejeitada pelos wagnerianos por ser uma Grand Opera, O próprio Wagner rejeitou ela e proibiu ela de ser executada em seu festival. nenhum tenor quer aprender a exigente parte de Rienzi, além de ser extremamente extensa, ela não tem recompensas, a melhor aria, por exemplo, é do Adriano. e por fim, a horrível mancha do nazismo, da mensagem dessa ópera pode se tirar muitas interpretações, mas por causa da interpretação de Hitler, todos se tornam alienados em quanto assistem ela.
Óperas são um produto de arte maleável, como a poesia lírica e o teatro em separado o são. Talvez uma ou duas apenas eu tenho assistido em sua versão completa, em vídeo. Com esta versão de Rienzi (a melhor de todas que já assisti por várias razões, apesar da baixa resolução) ocorre que houveram cortes de cenas e danças. A ópera original (há décadas nunca mais apresentada) possuía mais de 6 horas. Você pode encontrar o libreto em alemão e em espanhol, talvez em inglês, da versão completa (no entanto, não creio que seja, ainda assim, 100% completa, dadas as circunstâncias polemistas da visibilidade que esta obra-prima recebeu na Alemanha do século passado. Tendo conhecimento do libreto mais completo, garanto a você que o essencial está aí. Obrigado.
Rienzi completa é impossível. A partitura original estava com Hitler que a destruiu, juntamente com as partituras originais de As Fadas, A Proibição de Amar, Lohengrin e A Valquíria, antes de meter um balaço na cabeça e morrer. Um grande serviço que ele fez, não? Como Wagner nunca publicou Rienzi, o que se tem são cópias cortadas que ele enviava para teatros. Pode-se fazer, claro, uma arqueologia dessas cópias, juntando as partes, mas nunca todas elas estarão disponíveis devido a Hitler.
Obrigado pelas informações. Dizem ter sido a opera que o inspirou em sua tresloucada sanha autocrata, em busca de um papel paranoide/heróico na opera da vida. Provavelmente por isso ele tenha se apropriado tão literal e definitivamente dela.
@@ludovicusschmitz3574That was not so hard, was it? I could read it on the screen, but it could have been mentioned under the link with the orchestra.
Described as meyerbeers best opera. I can't say I've even listened to it in its entirety. Wagner had little time for it as he headed towards works like lohengrin. Of the first three operas I prefer his first, the fairies. What astonishes me is that when you listen to rienzi it's very hard to keep thinking this is the man who wrote parsifal. 30 or 40 years separate the two. I do love the beautiful melody of the rienzi overture, and it is this overture I go to when I want to listen to his style of the time. How amazing also that he had not even completed rienzi when he conceived the Dutchman. It still amazes me how quick was his progress.
Muito obrigado nobre irmão! É um trabalho e tanto, parabéns pelo esforço, a arte agradece.
Obrigado Neemias!
Cut in half in this production. Even without the 30 Minute Ballet it is still missing 2 hours of music.
Insane.
I agree. But does anyone really miss the rest?
Yes.@@tobiaspeter6555
bellissima esecuzione con sottotitoli preziosi.
Grandioso! Bravíssimo!
Parabens pelo trabalho, ficou optimo.
Obrigado!
Gracias por el aporte
Muchas gracias!!!
Wunderbar!
super
Rienzi é uma ótima referência à Roma.
I had no idea this early Wagner work was so entertaining. I've always accepted the received opinion that it was simply warmed-over Meyerbeer. Too bad the video is lousy, but the performance is exciting.
Much to Wagners later embarrassment, during his lifetime Rienzi was the most performed and profitable of his opera.
Ouch! The English crown didn't make Lord Lloyd Webber a Duke. Nice enough tune
It's a grand opera in the French tradition but there is a lot of post WWII mythology built up about Meeyerbeer. The truth is that Meyerbeer was something in the way of an Andrew Lloyd Webber. He wrote big shows with a few great tunes but lots of empty stock music. Wagner was already intuitively a much better composer than Meyerbeer when he came to Paris and Meyerbeer found him to be a threat. Young Wagner was not yet an antisemite and in fact wrote Meyebeer many flattering letters in the hope of getting some help. Meyerbeer's idea of "help" was giving Wagner the lowest form of hack music and establishing Wagner as a lower level arranger. Meyerbeer knew full well that this kind of reputation would limit Wagner in his pursuit of better work.
The ugly truth about Meyerbeer is that he did indeed inhibit not only Wagner's career but many other composers as well, including Berlioz, who never snapped and became an antisemite.
It's also true that Meyerbeer took mercy upon the Wagners and recommended Rienzi to Dresden. In this way he was able to "help Wagner" and get him out of Paris at the same time.
Rienzi became a smash hit in Dresden, which made Meyerbeer quite nervous. Meyerbeer was not only the most important composer in Paris, but, as originally a Jewish German from a banking family, was also the most important composer in Berlin. Meyerbeer kiboshed Rienzi in Berlin. This is when Wagner snapped and finally turned against Meyerbeer.
This soured relationship along with the equally unpleasant relationship Wagner had with Felix Mendelssohn is what helped to cause his hardered Antisemitic views. Even in those however Wagner was never a proponent of violence and later in life denounced any violent actions against Jews. Wagner also was a proponent of establishing a Jewish homeland. He therefore would have been, ironically enough, a pro Zionist.
infelizmente uma ópera fadada ao esquecimento por vários fatores; assim como todas as grande operas francesa, ela utiliza um gigantesco corpo de artistas e exuberantes cenários, tornando-se inviável para ser produzida;
A ópera é rejeitada pelos fanáticos por Grand Opera por ser do Wagner e rejeitada pelos wagnerianos por ser uma Grand Opera, O próprio Wagner rejeitou ela e proibiu ela de ser executada em seu festival.
nenhum tenor quer aprender a exigente parte de Rienzi, além de ser extremamente extensa, ela não tem recompensas, a melhor aria, por exemplo, é do Adriano.
e por fim, a horrível mancha do nazismo, da mensagem dessa ópera pode se tirar muitas interpretações, mas por causa da interpretação de Hitler, todos se tornam alienados em quanto assistem ela.
Só o prelúdio já vale a opera amigo
Far more lyrical than his later works!
it just follows the conventions of french grand opera; would you say that Jérusalem is "more lyrical" than Il Lombardi ?
2:11:25: Vorspiel Akt V; 2:13:48: Rienzis Gebet
There was no conductor for this performance ?
Schöne Inszenierung, aber leider teilweise sehr stark gekürzt ...
2:13:40 ua-cam.com/video/jUt9icAqvTE/v-deo.html melhor parte
A ópera está completa ? Parece mais curta que outras versões aqui do youtube.
Óperas são um produto de arte maleável, como a poesia lírica e o teatro em separado o são. Talvez uma ou duas apenas eu tenho assistido em sua versão completa, em vídeo. Com esta versão de Rienzi (a melhor de todas que já assisti por várias razões, apesar da baixa resolução) ocorre que houveram cortes de cenas e danças. A ópera original (há décadas nunca mais apresentada) possuía mais de 6 horas. Você pode encontrar o libreto em alemão e em espanhol, talvez em inglês, da versão completa (no entanto, não creio que seja, ainda assim, 100% completa, dadas as circunstâncias polemistas da visibilidade que esta obra-prima recebeu na Alemanha do século passado. Tendo conhecimento do libreto mais completo, garanto a você que o essencial está aí. Obrigado.
@@jonasotaviobilda1179 Sei, de fato, que a original tinha quase uma hora só de Ballet, mas agradeço sua resposta.
Rienzi completa é impossível. A partitura original estava com Hitler que a destruiu, juntamente com as partituras originais de As Fadas, A Proibição de Amar, Lohengrin e A Valquíria, antes de meter um balaço na cabeça e morrer. Um grande serviço que ele fez, não?
Como Wagner nunca publicou Rienzi, o que se tem são cópias cortadas que ele enviava para teatros. Pode-se fazer, claro, uma arqueologia dessas cópias, juntando as partes, mas nunca todas elas estarão disponíveis devido a Hitler.
manca il duetto Adriano / Irene. peccato...
Obrigado pelas informações. Dizem ter sido a opera que o inspirou em sua tresloucada sanha autocrata, em busca de um papel paranoide/heróico na opera da vida. Provavelmente por isso ele tenha se apropriado tão literal e definitivamente dela.
Would you mind writing who the conductor was?
Prof. Siegfried Köhler!
@@ludovicusschmitz3574That was not so hard, was it? I could read it on the screen, but it could have been mentioned under the link with the orchestra.
@@novageriowow, aren’t you a smart ass, must be popular in real life!
Wer ist Dirigent? Ich habe seinen Namen im Elenco Principal nicht gefunden.
Siegfried Köhler.
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ROMA caput mundi !
1:47:23
1:12:45
Wonder why root directory of all white colonials(british) didn't play this whole posing as heroes of ww2?
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