Very good point. I can guess that if they did offer her a deal she declined each time and that's why she was still there. This lady is going to own the Police, the City and those two idiot cops.
Predicting that the head prosecutor will say the case was assigned to "Joe" and "Joe" happened to be on vacation when the results came in, so someone else in the office received the results, saw what case it belonged to but didn't read the results or know the implications, and just stuck the notification in the file for the case, and "Joe" never noticed that something had been added until it was brought to his attention four months later. The name likely won't be "Joe" of course, but you get the idea.
The prosecutor who held someone for 4 months AFTER a lab test proved their innocence should be dragged down to the public square and locked in the stockades.
The prosecutor should have to spend the same amount of time in jail that this innocent citizen spent in jail. Because without that risk for failure, the prosecutor has no incentive to be careful.
@@TheRealScooterGuy: Regardless, hopefully the jurors impose MAXIMUM penalties to EVERYONE directly at fault that they are allowed to. The system is SUPPOSED to protect people from having their lives ruined by BAD cops.
@@ianbattles7290yeah that one was crazy to me, you have to be either extremely malicious, or mind bogglingly stupid to even test bird poop for drugs lmao
She remained in jail facing "drug trafficking" charges for 4 months *AFTER the state lab figured out the substance WASN'T drugs???* *If that's not Wrongful Incarceration/Malicious Prosecution, I don't know what is.*
Yup, its a well oiled machine. Prison corporations gotta make an extra 50 billion, so gotta keep those prisons full of people. Their profit saw to the demise of our rights.
Civil asset forfeiture needs jury trials. It would be the fastest deliberations ever. Jury sworn in, jury tells the judge that the money is innocent, ten minutes after empaneling, the jury is headed home.
I have a similar experience in Georgia, I spent 10 months in jail and $2500 to a lawyer for a crime, when the police had exhonerating evidence that was with held from discovery. When I requested trial and jury selection they dropped the charges.
The most disgusting part is that they probably attempted to solicit a guilty plea from you *despite a complete lack of evidence against you.* They were just hoping that you would "confess" to whatever garbage story they made up.
@@BlackJesus8463 Nonetheless, the product itself is clearly unsuitable for its intended purpose: It does not permit an untrained individual to reliably obtain a correct and binary result within a reasonable margin of error.
As the manufacturer states, the test is reliable if done properly. All anyone has to do is to follow the directions. Unfortunately, these directions are aimed at COPS, and most COPS are incapable of understanding and following directions.
You know as a nurse, there are some minimum professional standards that a nurse is held to. I wish that I was involved in law enforcement because these guys don't have any minimum expectation of proficiency.
Both are a matter of life and death...in different ways but you're absolutely right. Police nationwide should have an ethics and licensing board. Period.
The only reason why nurses have minimum professional standards is because when they don’t meet those expectations. They will be fired at the very least and if the action they took was egregious enough they will lose their license to practice as a nurse all together. The police on the other hand can actually kill an innocent person, refuse to make any statements about what happened and still have a job.
The lab test did clear her within days, or at least a short time compared to her stay in the crossbar hotel, they just didn’t let her out until at least 4 months after the lab cleared her.
@@bobsaturday4273 I hope she is awarded several million dollars (I hope she gets a damned good lawyer) and that it all comes from the cops retirement funds.
Dude, I love the way you repeat important words in what you are saying.... like "sand", "bird droppings" and "faint positive" it really drives the point home
This happens all the time. I will bet anything that the woman was not jaywalking and that that was an excuse for a fishing expedition. And to cut open a stress ball is really fishing. And if a cop cannot tell the difference between bird do on the outside of a car and cocaine he does not need to be a cop at all.
A cop stopped me on time because one of my two license plates lights was burned out. He just wanted to search me for drugs. It's getting to be re-goddamn diculous.
@Kaliwind X thing is,... wouldn't we All have LOVED to be there to watch the cops who "tested' the Bird droppings?? I mean if stupid is as stupid Does, I'd love to see them try TASTING IT!" before they said, oh yeah, we've seen cocaine before, -- Then watch them gag on trying to test taste the bird crap -- "oh yup THAT'S COCAINE ALRIGHT, you're busted. Then stand there watching the cops gag and get sick from ingesting BIRD CRAP!!?
As a Canadian, it seems to me that many police forces in the US are totally incompetent. When a young Canadian women was driving through one the southern states, she was pulled over by a local police officer, for driving her car with Ontario license plates. The "police officer" told her that she isn't allowed to drive in that state with Ontario plates and was arrested for doing so. Fortunately, the young lady was able to access her phone in the police car and send a video message home. The Canadian Consulate in Atlanta was contacted and the situation was quickly resolved and the young lady was released and the officer was fired.
@@bikkiikun Also remember that a couple of years ago Florida (as a state) said that Ontario drivers permits weren't valid so everybody was rushing to get their International Drivers Permit from CAA to drive in Florida.
No you just have the wrong perspective to whats actually happening, the reality they just police for-profits, doesn't matter if they are wrong it all brings in money.
When I was a kid, cops raided my home and stole a crystal jar full of oregano. F'n oregano. They left the two children my brother and I who were ages 11 and 10, home alone after the raid. This doesn't surprise me at all.
The problem is that the cops don't pay it. The city pays it. there is not real consequence for the police dept. They also need to hold the person accountable that trains the cops to use the test.
@@michaelpotter6542 Plus, the fact that they were denied qualified immunity only means she's _allowed_ to sue them. There's no guarantee that said lawsuit will succeed.
@@michaelpotter6542 Counter argument: The large financial cost to the city results in budget cuts to the department. The department itself financially suffers as a result. Officers feel the burn. Officers resent the officers who put them in this situation. The entire department then behaves better.
You will have to forgive the police officer. On that particular day he was suffering from a major headache after snorting a line of bird crap off the hood of his car.
Will this person who lost HALF A YEAR OF HER LIFE be compensated? I hope she gets MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and I want that award coming out of the police pension fund.
Small win. Kidnapping charges for the cops, dereliction of duty, whatever else applies, along with the max sentence their victim potentially faced as a result of their BS charges. And then review every case the cops in question were involved in.
@@BlackJesus8463 its really coming down to survival mode...when these psycho cops choose to abuse and brutalize American citizens for their sick personal gratification!
I hope she is also suing whoever that said it was fine to keep her in jail for 4 months after it was proven to be sand. Welcome to law enforcement in Georgia.
@@waterheaterservices I'm not so sure. Given that the US has a larger percentage of their citizens incarcerated than China, I'd expect this shit from the US, not from China.
I think that $10,000,000 from the taxpayers pocket would be a good bitch slap along with prison time for cops, prosecutor and anyone that believe the cops but didn't say or do anything to question the issue.
The cops know these tests aren't accurate. They we holding out for her to plea guilty after she was unable to make bail. You can run air through those tests and come back with a positive result, but most people can't come up with bail and certainly can't afford to sit in jail for months. Thankfully she didn't have kids or something on the outside creating more of a time pressure or they would have gotten her.
@@BlackJesus8463 I think once you sign the plea deal for it, you are done cuz "you admitted to the Crime" it like a Slime trying to eat you and conviencing you Salt will NOT kill it
Qualified immunity allows LEO to do whatever, without consideration to common sense, as they have a free pass. This is a win for the citizen that the courts are finally recognizing how stupid and dangerous this is.
What (if any) consequences do the cops/prosecutor face if they let an innocent person sit in jail for FOUR FREAKIN' MONTHS?? Because without consequences, *there's no incentive for them to avoid/prevent this type of situation!!!!*
Sounds like a few police officers should be thrown in prison and never allowed to work in police positions or anything to do with the courts, including working for lawyers as a private investigator.
Again. Time and time again we see Quallified Immunity is unconstitutional on the most basic and general stand point. I ask you. How do expect a gang to respect the law if there allowed to operate outside of it?
That sounds like SCOTUS (a long time ago): "Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence. As Mr. Justice Brandeis, dissenting, said in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U. S. 438, 485 (1928): "Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. . . . If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." " Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643 (1961)
A judgement in Her favor will result in the City's insurance carrier paying the judgement. What if the judgement had to come out of the pockets of the offending cops/cop's supervisor & City Attorney that had to know what was going on?
I don't know what amazes me more: That the labs need several months to test whether a substance is a drug or that Americans think this is normal. (Obviously you think so, as you've never questioned it.) In any civilized country it is a matter of one or two days to get such a lab report, at least when a person is jailed, as such cases are handled with top priority.
People question it all the time. The issue is there's a very obvious answer. If the cops test literally everything and anything they come in contact with that will fit in a tube then eventually the labs will get backed up. And the way our employment system is set up even being stuck in jail one or two days is enough to ruin your life. For some even being accused is the end of a career.
The caveat here is that we know lab testing doesn't take months, but bureaucracy always does. And yes, this is normal. And no, getting incarcerated people released is never a top priority. The wheels of justice grind ever so slowly in the 'Land of the Free.'
They could run water through those tests and get a positive result. The only answer is if you can't look rich (and preferably white) you better have a bail fund. Because the goal of the game is to stick you in jail while the lab works through their backlog. If you have any sort of time pressure of people depending on you odds are you'll crack and plea out just to get back to the ruined scraps of whatever life you have left.
No cop should get qualified immunity, ever, and all payouts for lawsuits caused by the police should be paid out of the departments pension fund. Also, since cops are supposedly highly trained individuals, any sentence upon a guilty verdict should automatically be double what the normal sentence is. It is time for society to clean house and revamp our law enforcement. There is just too many criminal cops that get away with it.
Having taught science in college, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'd estimate 90% of my college students in a degree seeking program could not reliably follow simple instructions such as adding a measured amount of liquid to another measured amount of liquid and checking a result. Without extensive scientific training, there's no way some beat traffic cop is going to do much better on the side of the road, and that's even assuming there's no malicious intent on the part of these cops.
The cops have known for years that these test will positive on basically anything, even water. The incompetence was his inability to get it to give an actual positive result. Stopping her at all was malice.
I homeschooled my kid. His first grade curriculum had lessons on following instructions. I thought he didn't need them ("Hey, he already knows how to follow instructions!"), so I skipped those. After gaining more experience as a parent, and in life in general, I've come to realize the error of my ways. Instructions can be amazingly hard to give, hard to write, and hard to follow. And that's true even for people who WANT to follow the blankety-blank instructions.
JW - Difference here is that college students don't have vests, radios, tasers, handguns, backup, batons and power trip attitudes. They have the ability to ruin or END your life on a whim.
The test manufacturer made the test idiot proof. It wasn't sufficiently idiot proof, so they came out with Meth II, which was idiot proofer. It still didn't work.
6 months! Innocent until proven guilty is a lie based on a myth, yet prosecutors get real life, significant advantages in trials to make up for "innocent until proven guilty" They will online to violate us as long as we allow them to
Reasonable, sensible behavior is what I expected from my four-year-old, now an adult with good sense. This case displays a cascade of horrible judgment and overzealous policing. Why can't an alleged jaywalker be given just a paper citation, sparing her a search of her purse or pockets?
@@indigobunting2431 Cause these officers, I mean, officers like this, want to make a score and they go off on it. Also in this case applies that they do it be cause they CAN do it. Be cause they think they can do it without being held accountable. And indeed, up to recently they would not have been held accountable, ever. Up to recently they would have been backed in most places in most situations no matter & regardless how badly they misbehaved.
@@robert5 The worst decision was Citizens United because it makes it impossible to have accountable and representative government. That guarantees that all three branches of government are irretrievably corrupt, and will only become more so.
I've seen videos where stuff you wouldn't expect to test positive actually does. So at this point my question would be _"is there any legal substance that won't test positive in those field narcotics test kits?"_
@@lloydtucker5647 Those kits are not even valid as evidence in court. All they do is give a cop flimsy PC to ruin a citizen's life. If that happened to me, my family, my job, my home, everything I own would be gone. Job doesn't care why you are not at work. In my job, a drug arrest is cause for immediate termination, bank doesn't care why the mortgage isn't getting paid.
@@gordonshumway7239 For the cat litter? In that case, it was the officer who smelled something. It turned out he did have some pot on him and Texas was very strict on it, but I think it was a ticketable amount. The cat litter was placed there by the guy's father or step-father to remove window condensation.
In this episode Steve speaks pure wisdom: "now you'd think police officers could identify the glaze from a donut in the dark from a hundred yards away . . ."
Im shocked. Pay the woman 6 months cop wages, $150,000. Then fire that cop and sentence him to 6 months, no community service, no parole, no credit for time served, none of that, an actual 6 months. His partner gets tha same. That sounds like the sort of justice needed to stop this malicousness.
It’s the cops job to keep the courtrooms and the prisons full, every time a citizen is out & about in society they take the chance of running into a cop that doesn’t care about the law, doesn’t understand the law or their role when it comes to enforcing the law, or is just so incompetent at doing their job that you will go to jail even though you’re innocent. And once they get you in there it’s going to be hard as hell to get back out, and maybe you won’t get out.
And if you do get out and stay out it's nearly impossible to sue them because the courts usually find the officers to have the qualified immunity intact, not only because the violation was not "clearly established", but also oftentimes the court decides that whatever the tyrant did was "reasonable" even if it clearly was not, thus making it impossible for future victims in similar circumstances unable even to file a lawsuit.
@@edwardmiessner6502 • Yes, and its also how laws get changed to work in favour of law enforcement and not the citizens. In the future I can see public photography being put on the chopping block because of the large amount of people auditing government facilities and giving law enforcement (and public servants) a very bad view in the court of public opinion, law enforcement makes up stupid reasons to arrest auditors but eventually the courts will recognize those stupid reasons as valid concerns for officer safety and eventually public photography will be banned because the judge will rule in favour of the cops and just say that auditors are just causing trouble to make cops look bad or for a reason to sue law enforcement and just like that another one of our rights are taken away. Pretty soon we won’t be able to sue law enforcement for a violation of our rights because we won’t have any rights left for law enforcement to abuse and violate, obviously I could be 100% wrong but society doesn’t feel right anymore, there’s been a shift in the amount of power & authority that the citizens allow government and their enforcers to have over people, and if there’s enough people willing to give everyone’s rights away then the government will surely take them.
Why did they search her for a J-Walking ticket? Never ever agree to a search and never talk to the police without a lawyer. Why aren't these people getting faster trial dates?
@@jupitercyclops6521 I don't think anyone would agree that holding someone for 6 months for a drug charge without a trial is speedy. I'd have to look it up but it seems like there has to be some limit. I'll be willing to bet that will be part of her complaint as well.
@@williezar2231 I agree bro I was trying to point out you spelled "trial" "trail". I knew what you meant I was being stupid. I think what's considered a speedy trial varies from state to state or district to district. Most places throw that magical word "reasonable" which is their way of avoiding responsibility of being specific & leaves room for arguement which benefits those able to afford hiring a good arguer. PEACE!
Thanks again Steve but stories like this make me crazy mad! This could happen to anybody but especially to somebody without the financial resources to get an appropriate lawyer! ( like you Steve) A million dollars for every week incarcerated sounds about right!
We should make the manufacturers of this test pay for damages every time someone is wrongfully arrested. I bet they make their products error free after that law takes effect.
When the only tool you have is a Hammer, everything looks like a nail. AKA when you are a police officer, you're suspicious of every single person you come across, and think everyone, everywhere, has drugs on them at all times.
They did not think she had drugs. They thought she was an easy mark. Those tests will result positive on almost anything, including air. The goal was to have a pretext to jail her on the presumption that she couldn't make bail. Once they jail you the lengthy lab backlog will guarantee that well before the substance is even tested your life will be in shambles and you will plea to almost anything to get out. That's why they held her for months after the results came back, they were trying to wear her down to get her to accept a plea deal. It's a game they play with people's lives to improve their metrics.
Agreed - it starts with hiring un or under qualified people and then training them to believe this crap.. All these "warrior cop" trainers (ie Dave Grossman) who make police think that they're in a battle for their lives on a daily basis can have serious side effects on the populace. Also the glaring lack of other training like how to de-escalate situations... Maybe a bit of internet amplification but it sure seems like this happens too much.. But IMO that it happens at all is too much - this should never be how you treat a supposed "free" people!
Rotten cops and rotten police department! Finally let an innocent person out of jail and want her to just go away . We’ll , I hope she goes away with a large payout.
According to her attorney Jay Walking isn't even a possible offense at the intersection she was at. Further, she's transgender which seems to be the impetus for the original stop.
Me neither (12 years here).. but TBH, it's also part of the reason i am no longer an LEO.. I had a great arrest record for actual criminal arrests, but not the low hanging fruit/fishing ones like this that make the departments/cities the most money.
I heard from training people at a local Southern Oregon college based policing course that you break all 3 vios to get an ambiguous result that you can claim is positive. I suspect that a location that is getting thit's getting this testing combination was trained to do it on purpose so that they can get a positive result when they want one.
Exactly. 145 false positives isn't an accident, it's an indicator of systemic abuse. If they're not going to use their fancy cop toys the right way, they shouldn't get to have them at all. That's 145 other people who may have also had their lives ruined by cops who went over the line. And that's just in Georgia alone. Nationwide, there's probably thousands in the same boat.
@@phoenixredux4262 Honestly a year that sounds very low. Maybe that's how many have been investigated and confirmed to be false. But I would say that it's more likely the is a the count per month in Southern Oregon which is a lot less population than is population of than Georgia. My guess would be that department to do this behavior have approximately 100 false positives per month per million people in jurisdiction.
@@pkobalt Exactly. If there is an end game to deliberate misuse of test to obtain false positive, its to win by attrition. Hope the person pleads out to something they didn't do. At some point their time served exceeds time for what they'd plead to. Strong incentive to give in and go home (with a record, that now starts a vicious cycle).
@@phoenixredux4262, if I understood the statement correctly, the ‘fun’ part of that 145 false positive study is that that study was a *lab* study, not a review of actual use by cops in the field. Use in the field is almost certainly of *lower* quality.
I hope she wins millions of dollars. So much that cities put a stop to this because we, the tax payers feel the sting. I know it's crappy but I see no other way at this point.
@@ianbattles7290 And to leave the poor victim in jail for what? 4 months AFTER they KNEW it was sand? People think we have a fair, blind justice system but cases like this make you question it.
There are no training standards for police. Any yahoo former cop can create a syllabus and sell it to a department. That’s why we have cops being trained in Israel, on our dime no less! We’re paying for the cops to be trained to act like an occupying army. And it all benefits wealthy investors. The police are defunding themselves; one incident of police brutality at a time. There are cities that can no longer afford police at all because they have to pay the bonds they have to issue to pay for all the lawsuits. They’re called, “Brutality Bonds.” Wealthy investors are making money off of police brutality and it’s destroying small cities that can’t field police departments or even many others services. Either cities start training their police better or they will lose their police. People will start leaving when cities can’t provide services. The wealthy investors are why nothing gets done. They’re making money off of having police terrorize American citizens and to keep people of color and poor people marginalized and unable to vote. We designed this country with a Constitution to try to avoid all of this; but we still have ended up with a system that exploits the poor and marginalized to benefit the elites.
●●● Actually, "stress balls" aren't just "novelty" items. Physical therapists sometimes recommend them for victims of strokes, to strengthen patient's hand muscles.
@@exrobowidow1617 ●●● Well, no. Not any more than a "walker", or a wheelchair, wouldn't be considered "drugs", just because the therapist recommended their use.
@MoneyThink Hate to lose cops with so much valuable experience! I mean what about the next guy in line? We should just give them wooden guns and shame publicly.
I am a teacher. I keep those in my desk because they don't do as much damage as a hardball when I throw them at the back of a students head. (OK, not really, but I want to.)
And remember, in these ridiculous situations, there are deep seeded ramifications of hatred towards law enforcement. This woman has a family, assume 10, friends 10, coworkers 10. Out of those 30 people, how many of them do you think list faith/trust in law enforcement
Most of the “field tests” have instructions that direct “DO NOT ARREST” on a positive result from this test. Get subject’s information, send additional samples to lab. If the lab gives a positive result, THEN get a warrant for the subject.
I would love to be there at their deposition and question their critical thinking. Why would you cut open an obvious stress ball? Or am I missing something that only the drug world knows?
They spent 4 months trying to convince her to take a "Deal" to not bring a lawsuit forward on the two officers. This is why they didnt release her for 4 months after knowing it was kidnapping.
The tests work exactly as intended. They are intended as a pretext to jail people and that's what they provide. The cops are just lazy and have started overusing them enough for the scam to get some notice. Not that it matters.
@@kerfluffle3781 No, they do not, "officer." They can test positive against dozens of legal substances that have nothing to do with narcotics. Are you new to this channel or something?
Could you please explain in greater detail when the so called qualified immunity can be set aside so that both individual and, more importantly, organisation, can be sued and in extreme situations criminally liable.
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Number one, the police officer gets credit for the number of arrests he makes. This is for purposes of promotion. And he earns over time pay while doing the extensive time it takes to process the paperwork.
Once they had the negative test result, they had a duty to release them from jail. They should be charged with illegal imprisonment under color of law and spend at least 3 X that in jail.
Why would a police officer cut open a sealed stress ball? Did they have a dog that indicated there were drugs inside the ball? Did they get a warrant to cut open the stress ball? It was a simple ticket. How did they go from issuing a ticket to a full search of the person? Then to have the substance come back negative and to leave her in jail. It seems the Police department, the investigator assigned to the case, the arresting officers, and the DA are all at fault for leaving her in the county jail. WOW!
Surely the US has case law on what “possession” means? How could a person in control of a sealed commercial product, absent evidence of tampering, be “in possession” of a substance inside the sealed container?
@@jguenther3049 perhaps, but take this scenario, a drug smuggler puts their drug into bottles of say Tequila, meaning to divert the laced bottles down the chain of delivery, but it goes wrong. You buy a bottle of laced Tequila from a liquor store. On your way home you are pulled over, the Police suspect you because they know people who drive Fords are all criminals. The Police conduct a search, which you give permission to be done. The Police find the bottle and test the contents. Are you “in possession” of the drug? In my country you’re not, because it doesn’t pas the “He Kau Te” test, that’s the name of the kid who was tricked into “delivering” a “Present” by a friend in Thailand to an Australian relative.;
@@anthonyburke5656 (1) No druglord would put their product into the general distribution chain for any other product. The level of risk is too high, and they are extremely risk-averse. (2) Yes, the HeKauTe test, for all its merit, has no bearing in US law. (3) If, somehow, you ended up with a contaminated bottle of Old Nogginthrob in your vehicle, showing the receipt would probably get you off the hook. Don't agree to have your vehicle searched. (Where have I heard that before?) Save your receipts. (4) Third party deliveries are so risky, nobody today would agree to handle one unless they were extremely ignorant, crazy, naive, or stupid.
Let me get this straight.... So, I haul blasting sand in a dump truck, around 20 tons of the stuff, and Officer Doofus says that it's cocaine, I get arrested for trafficking what you can find on a beach?
Yep. Hell, you step on a beach and happen to have a bit of sand on your flipflop and you might find yourself kissing your life goodbye for several months.
Maybe all of those cocaine packages floating up on Florida beaches have something to do with it. Any tourist could test pos depending on which beach they were enjoying.
I think the question that needs to be asked is, how many times did they "offer" her a deal after they knew the results of the real test?
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I know they did is probably why she stayed in jail so they could find something else on her
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Very good point. I can guess that if they did offer her a deal she declined each time and that's why she was still there. This lady is going to own the Police, the City and those two idiot cops.
Well, at least she got free meals for 6 months. Bad joke......that poor woman
The Prosecutor, who decided to hold the defendant for 4 extra months should also be denied Qualified Immunity.
Predicting that the head prosecutor will say the case was assigned to "Joe" and "Joe" happened to be on vacation when the results came in, so someone else in the office received the results, saw what case it belonged to but didn't read the results or know the implications, and just stuck the notification in the file for the case, and "Joe" never noticed that something had been added until it was brought to his attention four months later. The name likely won't be "Joe" of course, but you get the idea.
The prosecutor who held someone for 4 months AFTER a lab test proved their innocence should be dragged down to the public square and locked in the stockades.
The prosecutor should have to spend the same amount of time in jail that this innocent citizen spent in jail. Because without that risk for failure, the prosecutor has no incentive to be careful.
@@TheRealScooterGuy: Regardless, hopefully the jurors impose MAXIMUM penalties to EVERYONE directly at fault that they are allowed to.
The system is SUPPOSED to protect people from having their lives ruined by BAD cops.
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
If I didn't know better, I'd think these cops were TRYING to get sued...
they were fully competent at effecting the standard agenda against black people
Arthur C. Clarke is smiling down at you.
Someone needs to file a class action suit against these test kit companies...
They walk among us and can throw us in jail for no legitimate reason with no personal consequences. THIS HAS TO CHANGE.
Imagine being arrested and spending time in jail because a bird pooped on your car...
@@ianbattles7290yeah that one was crazy to me, you have to be either extremely malicious, or mind bogglingly stupid to even test bird poop for drugs lmao
@@razzberry4756 Yeah, that cop either knew he was framing that guy or he is the dumbest motherfucker to ever pin a badge on his chest.
"You'd think police officers could identify donut glaze in the dark from a hundred yards away." Nice.
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Fucking savage
Coffee burns the sinuses lol
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Lol!
She remained in jail facing "drug trafficking" charges for 4 months *AFTER the state lab figured out the substance WASN'T drugs???* *If that's not Wrongful Incarceration/Malicious Prosecution, I don't know what is.*
Sounds like a "for profit" jail and people in law enforcement/prosecution getting paid finder fees.
@@wssides Sounds like "kidnapping innocent people and holding them for ransom"...
@@ianbattles7290 And the ransom is paid by the state or federal government in monthly instalments. depending what charges she is held on.
Yup, its a well oiled machine. Prison corporations gotta make an extra 50 billion, so gotta keep those prisons full of people. Their profit saw to the demise of our rights.
@@wssides Exactly right, the south is loaded with sl4ve plantations...I mean private prisons...sorry easy to get the two mixed
I'm starting to develop the opinion that if I'm ever on a jury and a cop testifies that I will vote not guilty
Just make sure you don't say that if you ever get a Jury Summons!
Seriously. I will never vote guilty for anyone when the government is the plaintiff.
Civil asset forfeiture needs jury trials. It would be the fastest deliberations ever.
Jury sworn in, jury tells the judge that the money is innocent, ten minutes after empaneling, the jury is headed home.
That would be your best option! They do not know how not to lie!
@@MonkeyJedi99 why do you think the government doesn't allow juries in civil trials against the government
I have a similar experience in Georgia, I spent 10 months in jail and $2500 to a lawyer for a crime, when the police had exhonerating evidence that was with held from discovery. When I requested trial and jury selection they dropped the charges.
The most disgusting part is that they probably attempted to solicit a guilty plea from you *despite a complete lack of evidence against you.* They were just hoping that you would "confess" to whatever garbage story they made up.
they did for 10 months offered me probation@@ianbattles7290
you can go home today if you u just plead guilty
@@ianbattles7290
for too many in law enforcement, the test being inaccurate and easily misinterpretable is not a problem but a feature.
I can't imagine spending MONTHS in jail *just because you had sand in your pocket.*
I would also sue the Narc-II test company. They have no business selling the crap.
7:50 The cop did it wrong and lied about it.
@@BlackJesus8463 Nonetheless, the product itself is clearly unsuitable for its intended purpose: It does not permit an untrained individual to reliably obtain a correct and binary result within a reasonable margin of error.
@@BlackJesus8463 a study was done, as per steve lehto that in one state in one years time had at least 145 wrong test results.
@@WhereWhatHuh But what's stopping an untrained individual from obtaining a correct binary result within a reasonable margin of error though?
As the manufacturer states, the test is reliable if done properly. All anyone has to do is to follow the directions. Unfortunately, these directions are aimed at COPS, and most COPS are incapable of understanding and following directions.
You know as a nurse, there are some minimum professional standards that a nurse is held to. I wish that I was involved in law enforcement because these guys don't have any minimum expectation of proficiency.
Do you really think the FDA has cleared these so called tests? What's the sensitivity and specificity of this test? 🤔
@@hangxiaohuz748 They actually do preemployment tests to make sure they aren't too dumb or too smart, they make sure they are absolutely mediocre
Both are a matter of life and death...in different ways but you're absolutely right. Police nationwide should have an ethics and licensing board. Period.
@@guapo492 They do...but y'know, it's their standards so they can do whatever they want.
The only reason why nurses have minimum professional standards is because when they don’t meet those expectations. They will be fired at the very least and if the action they took was egregious enough they will lose their license to practice as a nurse all together. The police on the other hand can actually kill an innocent person, refuse to make any statements about what happened and still have a job.
Even if the field test is positive, the lab test should have cleared her within days. The prosecutors should also have their immunity revoke too.
The lab test did clear her within days, or at least a short time compared to her stay in the crossbar hotel, they just didn’t let her out until at least 4 months after the lab cleared her.
you'd think it would be the prosecutors office would get the results , yet they let her sit there 4 MORE MONTHS
@@bobsaturday4273 I hope she is awarded several million dollars (I hope she gets a damned good lawyer) and that it all comes from the cops retirement funds.
@@Zurround that and take every single asset they have. Their house, their cars, every penny they have in their bank accounts.
@@bobsaturday4273
Yes. Prosecutors MUST pay for their part in this as well.
Gotta love when someone doubles down on their mistake, as though that will somehow make things right or make the mistake disappear or be forgotten.
Dude, I love the way you repeat important words in what you are saying.... like "sand", "bird droppings" and "faint positive" it really drives the point home
This happens all the time. I will bet anything that the woman was not jaywalking and that that was an excuse for a fishing expedition. And to cut open a stress ball is really fishing. And if a cop cannot tell the difference between bird do on the outside of a car and cocaine he does not need to be a cop at all.
How do you scrape dodo 💩 off a car and test it as if it was confiscated drugs⁉️
F🤡 like the Brandon Administration ✅
Is she black ?
A cop stopped me on time because one of my two license plates lights was burned out. He just wanted to search me for drugs. It's getting to be re-goddamn diculous.
@Kaliwind X thing is,... wouldn't we All have LOVED to be there to watch the cops who "tested' the Bird droppings?? I mean if stupid is as stupid Does, I'd love to see them try TASTING IT!" before they said, oh yeah, we've seen cocaine before, -- Then watch them gag on trying to test taste the bird crap -- "oh yup THAT'S COCAINE ALRIGHT, you're busted. Then stand there watching the cops gag and get sick from ingesting BIRD CRAP!!?
How do they lawfully cut open someone's property that unlawful to the max.
As a Canadian, it seems to me that many police forces in the US are totally incompetent. When a young Canadian women was driving through one the southern states, she was pulled over by a local police officer, for driving her car with Ontario license plates. The "police officer" told her that she isn't allowed to drive in that state with Ontario plates and was arrested for doing so. Fortunately, the young lady was able to access her phone in the police car and send a video message home. The Canadian Consulate in Atlanta was contacted and the situation was quickly resolved and the young lady was released and the officer was fired.
Great story..
That means, she was white.
Had she been black, the cops would have murdered her, right then and there.
@@bikkiikun Also remember that a couple of years ago Florida (as a state) said that Ontario drivers permits weren't valid so everybody was rushing to get their International Drivers Permit from CAA to drive in Florida.
Right….. totally believable story.
No you just have the wrong perspective to whats actually happening, the reality they just police for-profits, doesn't matter if they are wrong it all brings in money.
When I was a kid, cops raided my home and stole a crystal jar full of oregano. F'n oregano. They left the two children my brother and I who were ages 11 and 10, home alone after the raid. This doesn't surprise me at all.
You do what you gota do when you're a cop and you said you would make spaghetti to the wife.🙄
Did they cut open the flour and charge you with 2.5 lbs of cocaine too?
What happened when the police realized it was oregano, not drugs?
leaving someone in jail after they confirmed it was sand. Sounds like wrongful incarceration, unlawful imprisonment and at least bad faith prosecution
5:00 "now, we don't know of the bird was on cocaine or not" I'm dead
Both cops are what you call "f---sticks". Probably went to the "Dohle School of Policing" in Burbank CA. :-D
Hey, johnny........and nothing professionally will happen to the cop or the people that held her after they knew it was sand.......
@@UsmanBello haha
Should have arrested the bird to check.
If bird droppings contained cocaine, that would have been common knowledge thousands of years ago, lol
$15 million ought to cover the abuse she suffered.
The problem is that the cops don't pay it. The city pays it. there is not real consequence for the police dept. They also need to hold the person accountable that trains the cops to use the test.
@@michaelpotter6542 Plus, the fact that they were denied qualified immunity only means she's _allowed_ to sue them. There's no guarantee that said lawsuit will succeed.
@@michaelpotter6542 Counter argument: The large financial cost to the city results in budget cuts to the department. The department itself financially suffers as a result. Officers feel the burn. Officers resent the officers who put them in this situation. The entire department then behaves better.
@@Veritas-invenitur "The entire department then behaves better"
Citation needed.
@@michaelpotter6542 "The city pays it" - which means it comes out of the taxpayers' pockets.
You will have to forgive the police officer. On that particular day he was suffering from a major headache after snorting a line of bird crap off the hood of his car.
He just did it for a lark.
How's the Champagne business?
Made my day
Can't they claim unqualified immunity? You know, where they're unqualified to do their job, so you can't blame them for making a dumb mistake?
That ones reserved for SCOTUS Judges...
Fortunately, ignorance is not an excuse.
Yet.
Will this person who lost HALF A YEAR OF HER LIFE be compensated? I hope she gets MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and I want that award coming out of the police pension fund.
"I spent 6 months in jail for my Stressball...and now I need to upgrade."
"Well, I only sell guns here."
"Perfect. What do you have for a lady?"
Small win. Kidnapping charges for the cops, dereliction of duty, whatever else applies, along with the max sentence their victim potentially faced as a result of their BS charges. And then review every case the cops in question were involved in.
It won't happen. Cops in the US tend to evade justice.
Kidnapping is a life sentence and you have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself against it.
what about suing the manufacture of the test kit?
@@BlackJesus8463 its really coming down to survival mode...when these psycho cops choose to abuse and brutalize American citizens for their sick personal gratification!
@@punker4Real 7:50 The cop did it wrong and lied about it.
145 false positives in one state in one year, I think there's a word for that.
They would call that a short streak.
Yeah cops
I hope she is also suing whoever that said it was fine to keep her in jail for 4 months after it was proven to be sand. Welcome to law enforcement in Georgia.
This is the kind of thing we would expect in China or Cuba or California, not the US.
@@waterheaterservices I'm not so sure. Given that the US has a larger percentage of their citizens incarcerated than China, I'd expect this shit from the US, not from China.
@@waterheaterservices California is state in US.
@@makesense1607 sometimes I wonder if the 'Peoples Repbulic of California' realizes that.
@@tallthinkev It is a possibility, but if that is the case they have serious issues in the way they are doing things.
I think that $10,000,000 from the taxpayers pocket would be a good bitch slap along with prison time for cops, prosecutor and anyone that believe the cops but didn't say or do anything to question the issue.
7 years ago My home town cops busted arrested a guy for vitamins. Oh! They shouted "the guy had a prior record". Geez
The cops know these tests aren't accurate. They we holding out for her to plea guilty after she was unable to make bail. You can run air through those tests and come back with a positive result, but most people can't come up with bail and certainly can't afford to sit in jail for months. Thankfully she didn't have kids or something on the outside creating more of a time pressure or they would have gotten her.
7:50 The cop did it wrong and lied about it.
You said what I tried to, and much better.
@@BlackJesus8463 - The tests are notorious for giving false positives, and quite often are the basis for the prosecutors to make plea deals.
@@Subangelis Really because some other commenter said they aren't admissible in court. XD
@@BlackJesus8463 I think once you sign the plea deal for it, you are done cuz "you admitted to the Crime" it like a Slime trying to eat you and conviencing you Salt will NOT kill it
They need to sue whoever makes that test
There never was any test. Just another lie from the police.
7:50 The cop did it wrong and lied about it.
@@BlackJesus8463 The woman's attorney will be looking for some deep pockets, i.e., the test manufacturer. Maybe they'll get hammered.
The manufacturers explicit state it is not conclusive and should NOT be used for legal actions.
Qualified immunity allows LEO to do whatever, without consideration to common sense, as they have a free pass. This is a win for the citizen that the courts are finally recognizing how stupid and dangerous this is.
What (if any) consequences do the cops/prosecutor face if they let an innocent person sit in jail for FOUR FREAKIN' MONTHS?? Because without consequences, *there's no incentive for them to avoid/prevent this type of situation!!!!*
"Win" but potentially lost her residence and belongings in the process due to unpaid bills.
The ironic thing is, that guy needs his stress ball now more than ever.
The cops were only worried about making themselves looking good getting a drug bust, but they screwed that one up!
Sounds like a few police officers should be thrown in prison and never allowed to work in police positions or anything to do with the courts, including working for lawyers as a private investigator.
Maybe there should be a Bar Association for cops, where people could file grievances and lose their license/certification for bad decisions.
Again. Time and time again we see Quallified Immunity is unconstitutional on the most basic and general stand point.
I ask you. How do expect a gang to respect the law if there allowed to operate outside of it?
That sounds like SCOTUS (a long time ago):
"Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence. As Mr. Justice Brandeis, dissenting, said in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U. S. 438, 485 (1928): "Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. . . . If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." "
Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643 (1961)
Stress balls are a hell of a drug.
not even once
That stress ball really did stress her out.
That's easy for you to say. Did you every try to snort one?
You win the internet today
Immunity should not exist for anyone. It is a violation of my rights.
A judgement in Her favor will result in the City's insurance carrier paying the judgement. What if the judgement had to come out of the pockets of the offending cops/cop's supervisor & City Attorney that had to know what was going on?
I don't know what amazes me more: That the labs need several months to test whether a substance is a drug or that Americans think this is normal. (Obviously you think so, as you've never questioned it.) In any civilized country it is a matter of one or two days to get such a lab report, at least when a person is jailed, as such cases are handled with top priority.
People question it all the time. The issue is there's a very obvious answer. If the cops test literally everything and anything they come in contact with that will fit in a tube then eventually the labs will get backed up. And the way our employment system is set up even being stuck in jail one or two days is enough to ruin your life. For some even being accused is the end of a career.
In this case, the test came back negative and the victim remained incarcerated for some time after.
The caveat here is that we know lab testing doesn't take months, but bureaucracy always does. And yes, this is normal. And no, getting incarcerated people released is never a top priority. The wheels of justice grind ever so slowly in the 'Land of the Free.'
i could rub that shit on my lip and tell you whether or not it's cocaine
State or county labs have government workers. Aka lazy people
So, don't buy cotton candy, stress balls, glazed donuts, or let birds shit on your car. Ever.
Or jaywalk.
This is a terrible country of injustice and cruelty.
Oh, don't worry, even if you don't jaywalk they might charge you with it too.
They could run water through those tests and get a positive result. The only answer is if you can't look rich (and preferably white) you better have a bail fund. Because the goal of the game is to stick you in jail while the lab works through their backlog. If you have any sort of time pressure of people depending on you odds are you'll crack and plea out just to get back to the ruined scraps of whatever life you have left.
@@kerfluffle3781 Sad but yet so true...
air sets them off as positive too
I wonder if they will charge her room and board for the time she was in jail?
If that's a thing in her county, they probably have already tried.
No cop should get qualified immunity, ever, and all payouts for lawsuits caused by the police should be paid out of the departments pension fund.
Also, since cops are supposedly highly trained individuals, any sentence upon a guilty verdict should automatically be double what the normal sentence is.
It is time for society to clean house and revamp our law enforcement. There is just too many criminal cops that get away with it.
These false arrests are unacceptable
Having taught science in college, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'd estimate 90% of my college students in a degree seeking program could not reliably follow simple instructions such as adding a measured amount of liquid to another measured amount of liquid and checking a result. Without extensive scientific training, there's no way some beat traffic cop is going to do much better on the side of the road, and that's even assuming there's no malicious intent on the part of these cops.
The cops have known for years that these test will positive on basically anything, even water. The incompetence was his inability to get it to give an actual positive result. Stopping her at all was malice.
I homeschooled my kid. His first grade curriculum had lessons on following instructions. I thought he didn't need them ("Hey, he already knows how to follow instructions!"), so I skipped those. After gaining more experience as a parent, and in life in general, I've come to realize the error of my ways. Instructions can be amazingly hard to give, hard to write, and hard to follow. And that's true even for people who WANT to follow the blankety-blank instructions.
JW - Difference here is that college students don't have vests, radios,
tasers, handguns, backup, batons and power trip attitudes.
They have the ability to ruin or END your life on a whim.
The test manufacturer made the test idiot proof. It wasn't sufficiently idiot proof, so they came out with Meth II, which was idiot proofer. It still didn't work.
@@jguenther3049 You build a foolproof product and God will build a better fool.
What a crazy story, I wouldn’t even believe it if I didn’t watch the other videos you make
6 months! Innocent until proven guilty is a lie based on a myth, yet prosecutors get real life, significant advantages in trials to make up for "innocent until proven guilty"
They will online to violate us as long as we allow them to
@Maskie Man I have a bad cop playlist it's over 1600 videos now, mostly videos posted recently
So horrible !
Reasonable, sensible
behavior is what I expected from my four-year-old, now an adult with good sense. This case displays a cascade of horrible judgment and overzealous policing. Why can't an alleged jaywalker be given just a paper citation, sparing her a search of her purse or pockets?
@@indigobunting2431 Cause these officers, I mean, officers like this, want to make a score and they go off on it. Also in this case applies that they do it be cause they CAN do it. Be cause they think they can do it without being held accountable. And indeed, up to recently they would not have been held accountable, ever. Up to recently they would have been backed in most places in most situations no matter & regardless how badly they misbehaved.
Qualified immunity is unconstitutional.
It probably is.
Not according to SCOTUS, which pulled it out of their a$$.
@@BlankBrain one of, if not the single worst ruling they ever handed down.
@@robert5 The worst decision was Citizens United because it makes it impossible to have accountable and representative government. That guarantees that all three branches of government are irretrievably corrupt, and will only become more so.
@@BlankBrain Hers a thing, SCOTUS reverses its own rulings often. Most people never notice though.
we need more lawyers like you sir...
Can you imagine setting in jail for 6 months over a lie.
This reminds me of the person arrested for cat litter in their car. It tested "positive" as meth, twice.
I've seen videos where stuff you wouldn't expect to test positive actually does. So at this point my question would be _"is there any legal substance that won't test positive in those field narcotics test kits?"_
@@lloydtucker5647 Those kits are not even valid as evidence in court. All they do is give a cop flimsy PC to ruin a citizen's life.
If that happened to me, my family, my job, my home, everything I own would be gone. Job doesn't care why you are not at work. In my job, a drug arrest is cause for immediate termination, bank doesn't care why the mortgage isn't getting paid.
What was the pretense for searching the car, Littering? :-)
@@gordonshumway7239 For the cat litter? In that case, it was the officer who smelled something. It turned out he did have some pot on him and Texas was very strict on it, but I think it was a ticketable amount. The cat litter was placed there by the guy's father or step-father to remove window condensation.
@@gordonshumway7239 public safety
The cops need to do SIX months in jail for this !!
Years.
In this episode Steve speaks pure wisdom: "now you'd think police officers could identify the glaze from a donut in the dark from a hundred yards away . . ."
If sand and cocaine are that much alike it’s no wonder that seagulls love circling the beach so much.
Im shocked. Pay the woman 6 months cop wages, $150,000. Then fire that cop and sentence him to 6 months, no community service, no parole, no credit for time served, none of that, an actual 6 months. His partner gets tha same. That sounds like the sort of justice needed to stop this malicousness.
It’s the cops job to keep the courtrooms and the prisons full, every time a citizen is out & about in society they take the chance of running into a cop that doesn’t care about the law, doesn’t understand the law or their role when it comes to enforcing the law, or is just so incompetent at doing their job that you will go to jail even though you’re innocent. And once they get you in there it’s going to be hard as hell to get back out, and maybe you won’t get out.
And if you do get out and stay out it's nearly impossible to sue them because the courts usually find the officers to have the qualified immunity intact, not only because the violation was not "clearly established", but also oftentimes the court decides that whatever the tyrant did was "reasonable" even if it clearly was not, thus making it impossible for future victims in similar circumstances unable even to file a lawsuit.
@@edwardmiessner6502 • Yes, and its also how laws get changed to work in favour of law enforcement and not the citizens.
In the future I can see public photography being put on the chopping block because of the large amount of people auditing government facilities and giving law enforcement (and public servants) a very bad view in the court of public opinion, law enforcement makes up stupid reasons to arrest auditors but eventually the courts will recognize those stupid reasons as valid concerns for officer safety and eventually public photography will be banned because the judge will rule in favour of the cops and just say that auditors are just causing trouble to make cops look bad or for a reason to sue law enforcement and just like that another one of our rights are taken away.
Pretty soon we won’t be able to sue law enforcement for a violation of our rights because we won’t have any rights left for law enforcement to abuse and violate, obviously I could be 100% wrong but society doesn’t feel right anymore, there’s been a shift in the amount of power & authority that the citizens allow government and their enforcers to have over people, and if there’s enough people willing to give everyone’s rights away then the government will surely take them.
If you want the cops to do the field test correctly we’re going to have to raise the IQ limit.
Doesn't matter. They are notorious for giving false positives even when it's done correctly.
That true some police department s will not hire people who score too high on the exam.
Why did they search her for a J-Walking ticket? Never ever agree to a search and never talk to the police without a lawyer. Why aren't these people getting faster trial dates?
(They can trail any date they want)....sorry
@@jupitercyclops6521 I don't think anyone would agree that holding someone for 6 months for a drug charge without a trial is speedy. I'd have to look it up but it seems like there has to be some limit. I'll be willing to bet that will be part of her complaint as well.
@@williezar2231 People often sign time waivers, which seems to me to be a bad idea.
@@williezar2231
I agree bro
I was trying to point out you spelled "trial" "trail".
I knew what you meant
I was being stupid.
I think what's considered a speedy trial varies from state to state or district to district.
Most places throw that magical word "reasonable" which is their way of avoiding responsibility of being specific & leaves room for arguement which benefits those able to afford hiring a good arguer.
PEACE!
@@jupitercyclops6521 lol long week! Thanks!
If cops didn't have qualified immunity, the way they conduct themselves would change overnight.
End qualified immunity, sue them into obscurity.
Thanks again Steve but stories like this make me crazy mad! This could happen to anybody but especially to somebody without the financial resources to get an appropriate lawyer! ( like you Steve) A million dollars for every week incarcerated sounds about right!
We should make the manufacturers of this test pay for damages every time someone is wrongfully arrested. I bet they make their products error free after that law takes effect.
When the only tool you have is a Hammer, everything looks like a nail.
AKA when you are a police officer, you're suspicious of every single person you come across, and think everyone, everywhere, has drugs on them at all times.
They did not think she had drugs. They thought she was an easy mark. Those tests will result positive on almost anything, including air. The goal was to have a pretext to jail her on the presumption that she couldn't make bail. Once they jail you the lengthy lab backlog will guarantee that well before the substance is even tested your life will be in shambles and you will plea to almost anything to get out. That's why they held her for months after the results came back, they were trying to wear her down to get her to accept a plea deal. It's a game they play with people's lives to improve their metrics.
"Okay, you, put your hands against the wall and spread your feet apart. Farther, Mom . . ."
Agreed - it starts with hiring un or under qualified people and then training them to believe this crap.. All these "warrior cop" trainers (ie Dave Grossman) who make police think that they're in a battle for their lives on a daily basis can have serious side effects on the populace. Also the glaring lack of other training like how to de-escalate situations... Maybe a bit of internet amplification but it sure seems like this happens too much.. But IMO that it happens at all is too much - this should never be how you treat a supposed "free" people!
Rotten cops and rotten police department! Finally let an innocent person out of jail and want her to just go away . We’ll , I hope she goes away with a large payout.
America has to remove qualified immunity to reform policing
Good. These lawless cops needs to be brought to justice.
According to her attorney Jay Walking isn't even a possible offense at the intersection she was at. Further, she's transgender which seems to be the impetus for the original stop.
Aha! I was wondering what drew their ire. Thanks for the clarification.
And that's just the ones that got caught ,imagine how many are screwed
They knew the stress ball was negative for drugs but they kept her in jail for three months after the fact. NEVER TRUST COPS.
Steve your stories are great. I really enjoy listening to you. Thanks for sharing your legal knowledge that we all learn from.
As a Deputy for 30 years, I NEVER stopped someone for jaywalking! Let alone dumped a purse just for an INFRACTION.
You gotta want it.
How many bad cops did you arrest?
Me neither (12 years here).. but TBH, it's also part of the reason i am no longer an LEO.. I had a great arrest record for actual criminal arrests, but not the low hanging fruit/fishing ones like this that make the departments/cities the most money.
Thank you!
how many innocent people do you think you jailed, there is no way the answer is zero.
I heard from training people at a local Southern Oregon college based policing course that you break all 3 vios to get an ambiguous result that you can claim is positive. I suspect that a location that is getting thit's getting this testing combination was trained to do it on purpose so that they can get a positive result when they want one.
Exactly. 145 false positives isn't an accident, it's an indicator of systemic abuse. If they're not going to use their fancy cop toys the right way, they shouldn't get to have them at all. That's 145 other people who may have also had their lives ruined by cops who went over the line. And that's just in Georgia alone. Nationwide, there's probably thousands in the same boat.
@@phoenixredux4262 Honestly a year that sounds very low. Maybe that's how many have been investigated and confirmed to be false. But I would say that it's more likely the is a the count per month in Southern Oregon which is a lot less population than is population of than Georgia. My guess would be that department to do this behavior have approximately 100 false positives per month per million people in jurisdiction.
It's more than 145. It's 145 where the person didn't plead out or charges got dropped when the person tried to fight it.
@@pkobalt Exactly. If there is an end game to deliberate misuse of test to obtain false positive, its to win by attrition. Hope the person pleads out to something they didn't do. At some point their time served exceeds time for what they'd plead to. Strong incentive to give in and go home (with a record, that now starts a vicious cycle).
@@phoenixredux4262, if I understood the statement correctly, the ‘fun’ part of that 145 false positive study is that that study was a *lab* study, not a review of actual use by cops in the field.
Use in the field is almost certainly of *lower* quality.
I hope she wins millions of dollars. So much that cities put a stop to this because we, the tax payers feel the sting. I know it's crappy but I see no other way at this point.
Since they lost their Q.I., I hope these incompetent cops have to sell their homes to pay the victim.
@@ianbattles7290 And to leave the poor victim in jail for what? 4 months AFTER they KNEW it was sand? People think we have a fair, blind justice system but cases like this make you question it.
Unfortunately, any payout would come from tax payer money.
There are no training standards for police. Any yahoo former cop can create a syllabus and sell it to a department. That’s why we have cops being trained in Israel, on our dime no less! We’re paying for the cops to be trained to act like an occupying army.
And it all benefits wealthy investors. The police are defunding themselves; one incident of police brutality at a time. There are cities that can no longer afford police at all because they have to pay the bonds they have to issue to pay for all the lawsuits. They’re called, “Brutality Bonds.” Wealthy investors are making money off of police brutality and it’s destroying small cities that can’t field police departments or even many others services. Either cities start training their police better or they will lose their police. People will start leaving when cities can’t provide services. The wealthy investors are why nothing gets done. They’re making money off of having police terrorize American citizens and to keep people of color and poor people marginalized and unable to vote. We designed this country with a Constitution to try to avoid all of this; but we still have ended up with a system that exploits the poor and marginalized to benefit the elites.
I'd bet my bottom dollar, that cop knew exactly what he was doing.
I'm subscribing, thank you for the free public service you provide.
Wow. They could not even follow instructions.
●●● Actually, "stress balls" aren't just "novelty" items.
Physical therapists sometimes recommend them for victims of strokes, to strengthen patient's hand muscles.
Medical people prescribe them? Well what do you know-- stress balls ARE drugs!
@@exrobowidow1617 ●●● Well, no. Not any more than a "walker", or a wheelchair, wouldn't be considered "drugs", just because the therapist recommended their use.
The sad part is that even though they lose their immunity, it will probably be taxpayers that pay for their underhanded acts.
That the whole point of losing immunity. It's a suit against the cops not the office.
They should pay w their life. Nothing less
I think he said that unironically!
@MoneyThink Hate to lose cops with so much valuable experience! I mean what about the next guy in line? We should just give them wooden guns and shame publicly.
Cop will still retire with *Full Pension*
I am a teacher. I keep those in my desk because they don't do as much damage as a hardball when I throw them at the back of a students head. (OK, not really, but I want to.)
Im going to report you! Just kidding
And remember, in these ridiculous situations, there are deep seeded ramifications of hatred towards law enforcement. This woman has a family, assume 10, friends 10, coworkers 10. Out of those 30 people, how many of them do you think list faith/trust in law enforcement
The cops are too stupid to think about the long-term ramifications of their "mistakes".
Most of the “field tests” have instructions that direct “DO NOT ARREST” on a positive result from this test.
Get subject’s information, send additional samples to lab. If the lab gives a positive result, THEN get a warrant for the subject.
So, with the high question-ability of the field tests, why are they still allowed to be used in investigations to demonstrate probable cause?
I would love to be there at their deposition and question their critical thinking.
Why would you cut open an obvious stress ball? Or am I missing something that only the drug world knows?
They usually ask Larry to do it, he’s Color blind so it’s always positive.
These cops need to come to Philly for a day if they wanna arrest people for holding 🤣😂. I hope she gets more then what she's deserves. Unreal.
They spent 4 months trying to convince her to take a "Deal" to not bring a lawsuit forward on the two officers. This is why they didnt release her for 4 months after knowing it was kidnapping.
I would sue the manufacturers of these shoddy field tests. In addition, I would sue for everything these two cops have or ever will have.
The tests work exactly as intended. They are intended as a pretext to jail people and that's what they provide. The cops are just lazy and have started overusing them enough for the scam to get some notice. Not that it matters.
@@kerfluffle3781 No, they do not, "officer." They can test positive against dozens of legal substances that have nothing to do with narcotics. Are you new to this channel or something?
Could you please explain in greater detail when the so called qualified immunity can be set aside so that both individual and, more importantly, organisation, can be sued and in extreme situations criminally liable.
Darn, now I have to throw out all my stress balls...
And your sugar.
Police: "Excuse me, is that... AIR you are breathing? Arrest that man!"
If the test kits themselves are known to produce false positives, has anyone ever sued the [beep] out of the manufacturers of these test kits?
They lock folks up waiting for test results hoping to get a plea deal where the defendant pleads guilty to something just to get out of jail.
"In the dark at 100 yards" 🤣. Steve might want to get a dash cam. He is gonna be the police' most wanted 😖
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Number one, the police officer gets credit for the number of arrests he makes. This is for purposes of promotion. And he earns over time pay while doing the extensive time it takes to process the paperwork.
The woman was black and trans. Many cops hate trans people unfortunately. That's the real story here.
Once they had the negative test result, they had a duty to release them from jail. They should be charged with illegal imprisonment under color of law and spend at least 3 X that in jail.
Why would a police officer cut open a sealed stress ball? Did they have a dog that indicated there were drugs inside the ball? Did they get a warrant to cut open the stress ball? It was a simple ticket. How did they go from issuing a ticket to a full search of the person? Then to have the substance come back negative and to leave her in jail. It seems the Police department, the investigator assigned to the case, the arresting officers, and the DA are all at fault for leaving her in the county jail. WOW!
Surely the US has case law on what “possession” means? How could a person in control of a sealed commercial product, absent evidence of tampering, be “in possession” of a substance inside the sealed container?
Sad isnt it, how paranoid they are? Or maybe its greed, whatever drives them to such despicable ends
Under that logic, every illicit drug lab would be shipping their product in stress balls.
@@jguenther3049 perhaps, but take this scenario, a drug smuggler puts their drug into bottles of say Tequila, meaning to divert the laced bottles down the chain of delivery, but it goes wrong. You buy a bottle of laced Tequila from a liquor store. On your way home you are pulled over, the Police suspect you because they know people who drive Fords are all criminals. The Police conduct a search, which you give permission to be done. The Police find the bottle and test the contents. Are you “in possession” of the drug? In my country you’re not, because it doesn’t pas the “He Kau Te” test, that’s the name of the kid who was tricked into “delivering” a “Present” by a friend in Thailand to an Australian relative.;
@@anthonyburke5656 (1) No druglord would put their product into the general distribution chain for any other product. The level of risk is too high, and they are extremely risk-averse. (2) Yes, the HeKauTe test, for all its merit, has no bearing in US law. (3) If, somehow, you ended up with a contaminated bottle of Old Nogginthrob in your vehicle, showing the receipt would probably get you off the hook. Don't agree to have your vehicle searched. (Where have I heard that before?) Save your receipts. (4) Third party deliveries are so risky, nobody today would agree to handle one unless they were extremely ignorant, crazy, naive, or stupid.
Let me get this straight....
So, I haul blasting sand in a dump truck, around 20 tons of the stuff, and Officer Doofus says that it's cocaine, I get arrested for trafficking what you can find on a beach?
Yep. Hell, you step on a beach and happen to have a bit of sand on your flipflop and you might find yourself kissing your life goodbye for several months.
Not just arrested!
Maybe all of those cocaine packages floating up on Florida beaches have something to do with it. Any tourist could test pos depending on which beach they were enjoying.
Did you know that Saudi Arabia imports sand? Blasting sand is not at all like beach sand. Neither one goes well up your nose.
this story is kind of like the people that diagnose steves health by watching a video!!
Those tests are horrible! One couple went to jail for cotton candy!
I swear every day steve you never cease to find stories to amaze me