Do Guitar Pickup Covers Change The Tone
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I do really love the covered look but definitely prefer the uncovered sound
I could hear a difference, though visual cues can actually affect how we hear things. Look up the "McGurk Effect" to have your mind blown! Trickery aside, the pickup without the cover sounded brighter and harsher than with the cover.
Though the differences were fairly small, they occurred in a frequency range that often determines whether I like a tone or not. I preferred the warmer sound of the pickup with the cover, and suspect the difference is probably due to the way the magnet field is spread out, based on my own experiments with small plates of metal around pole pieces.
That said, we have such powerful tools to shape EQ to our desires, obsessing over the differences is probably not with the effort. I do like that Dylan obsessed over trying to minimize the variables, and that Somnium made such a cool designed guitar that helps shine a clear light on Pickups and their true qualities. Thanks
Les Paul said, "People listen with their eyes" after he found out that people responded more favorably to his "log" after he glued pieces of an Epiphone body to the sides of it...lol
funny enough, I thought the no cover sounded a little warmer and more musical.
If I don't hear a difference are my eyes lying to me?
@@joehahn8817 Les Paul was making an analogy, what he meant was looks matter also. He wasn't being literal LOL.
That's the exact reason when listening to an A/B comparison I always turn my screen off, close my eyes, turn around, etc. I've definitely let my brain bias me before so I do what I can to force more objectivity
Wonderful video. Thanks. Appreciate the knowledge and you sharing it. Hey and congrats on your 100K. Well deserved, Cheers! Markus
I actually like the covered sound. I prefer it with a bit less treble. You are right though. People freak out about minute details. Nothing is ever going to be absolutely perfect but we do our best!
Nice job! Perfect guitar for that comparison!
With cover, sounds a bit restrained. Almost like the pickup is being slightly covered 😉 My preference is with cover. A little too bright for me, uncovered.
Very helpful video👍👍
I didn't really notice a difference. Maybe cuz I've been playing in front of loud amps for decades. For me it comes down to the look of the guitar. I have guitars with pups covered and uncovered and I love them both ways. Good stuff Dylan!
I've definitely had guitars where their harmonics were dampened by the cover on the bridge pup. May have been because they were cheap with cheap covers. But it was night and day for me at the time.
Thank you for doing this video, Dylan. I completely agree. I've heard so many artists I respect, such as Trent Reznor and Tom Morello, talk about working with what you have and finding a tone you like.
I used to have a pair of open back Sennheiser headphones (I believe they were the HD385 or 485) that sounded amazing! However, I didn't love music any less from my car or home stereo.
I definitely heard a difference and preferred the uncovered sound. Covered was quieter, so maybe it's that, but I heard a tone difference too (more bottom uncovered). That said, I ordered my latest humbuckers with covers because that's the look I wanted for that particular guitar.
I noticed that the pickups for the uncovered pickup sounded more alive (or brighter) than covered (slightly duller tone). I think in a band setting, I might not notice as much.
I owned a PRS McCarty ll with covered 59/08s and they sound kind of mellow compared to my CE24 Semi Hollowbody with uncovered 85/15 pickups. I preferred the CE24.
Hey Dylan. I have a couple of "Golden age" humbuckers mounted in a partscaster. They both came covered and I used them covered for awhile, One day I got the notion to pull the covers off and maybe here some difference. These are good pups out of the box but after removing the covers I noticed a presence quality that wasn't there before; maybe a bit brighter, not remarkable but noticeable I like the difference so I've kept them with covers off. I like your channel, keep up the good work.
You found a way to switch pickups without changing the guitar at all. Awesome, and the spalted wood is beautiful. Great video.
The only difference I could discern was a slight volume drop with the pickup cover on. Other than that I detected no change in EQ curve or anything.
Thanks for making this video!
I heard a difference in volume but not tone. I'm an old fart (68) and I have frequency limitations so instrumentation is the only way to distinguish the nuances. This was an excellent "no BS" video. Love this channel.
A small difference. The uncovered pickup sounded slightly more 'open', as though slightly more upper treble content was present - possibly upper harmonics.
Of course, in the real world you would never hear a comparison like this, and the difference is so small that a little tweak of the EQ would have a greater effect. The side-by-side comparison is interesting and useful - and it's performed properly here, with no gaps between samples - but it's as artificial as putting something under a microscope: under a microscope is the only time you'll ever see it that way.
Preach it!
Doesn’t matter.
Every instance of use dictates the sound you’ll get, that particular time.
Honest review!
I love the backing sound track. 👍. I could hear a ever so slight difference but only because it was pointed out. I'd never have noticed. Thanks
I can hear a difference but totally agree with you. There other variables that weigh in more. Thank you for this video.
I'd say I can hear a difference more in the output of the pickup than in his tone. I agree to the consideration that it's not a dramatic change and there are many other things contributing far more to the sound.
Great video - thanks Dylan! I could hear a difference back to back (uncovered had a bit more high end), but I think you hit the nail on the head - put 10 minutes between the sound samples and I doubt that I could hear a difference.
I was just getting into the remix break when the video went back to normal. Aw....
Informative as always. I thought I could hear a little bit of difference, more so on the clean samples. But I'd agree, it's one of those tiny differences that you can isolate with enough effort, that even isolated I'd have to resort to statistics to see whether or not I was just making lucky guesses as to A or B, and which will totally vanish into all the other bigger variables when you go play a real gig in a bar somewhere.
Still haven't decided if I like the looks of covered or uncovered more, though. I'd probably do it differently on different guitars, or just as part of the costuming for different shows or styles.
Yes, difference but subtle. I really want to like the covered pup, covers look so great on a guitar. But the cover removed some frequencies I found pleasing from the open pup. This means I don't have to be jealous of covers anymore, that open pups are fine. Thanks for the most painstakingly precise comparison I've seen yet, all variables considered, this makes my OCD happy!
Really glad you used the Somnium. For a second, I thought we were going to have an Internet slap-fight about tone color. LOL.
I couldn't tell a difference.
I always appreciate your oppinions and engineering thoughs
My question is between plastic and metal covers for a Casino P90’s. Have you ever checked the difference there?
I did that experiment from myself a little while ago where I had a pickup that had a cover and I removed it and did the same kind of testing on my test jig guitar and found that uncovered it sounded a little brighter and sharper than the cover which was a little bit warmer tone. So in essence I went in the reverse Direction leaving the screws on the pickup and everything as they were when it was covered and set up at exactly the same height as initially with the cover. The difference is minimal but definitely hearable and I prefer open to covered to be able to get that specific tonal definition of the sharpness of a tone over the Warmness. Some people depending on what they play might like the Warmness especially if it's Jazzy type stuff
Definitely heard more brightness from the covered pickup, but of course both sounded good, but I expect without a side-by-side comparison I may not be able to hear that difference.
All these comparisons videos....they almost always never do a side by side. They play an example, than they talk.... It defeats the purpose
I hear less low end and more mid range and less highs with the cover. Its different than what I have always imagined. Maybe the cover attenuates the upper and lower frequency response and that's why it sounded more mid range-y.
me too !!!
The uncovered pickup had more top end on both clean and distorted than the covered pickup. Definitely a lot more punch from the uncovered pickup. At the end of the day in a mix, i don’t think it matters. The setting on the amp can easily rectify that. I also found that the covered humbucker had more airiness to the overall sound. It might help other people who have a hard time hearing the difference playing the same phrases back to back on the guitar. I prefer the looks of a covered humbucker which is the most important factor. You gotta look cool playing guitar!
Great video, I love this side by side comparisons. Well done editing & presenting this.
I did hear a difference. It seems the setup with covers gave a “brighter” sound (a bit more midrange?)
I would love to see a potted vs unpotted video.
***REQUEST PLEASE*** on the topic of pickup comparisons, can you make one comparing blade style pickups vs pole pieces PLEASE???? Same amount of winds, I would just like to see a side by side comparison, when it comes to tone and string bending.
The metal covered ones are usually wax embedded too though right? (Surely also make no difference)
Agree, it is slightly more open. But not worth swapping out a nice set of humbuckers over or going through a big ordeal. It keeps the dust out, looks classier and has a smoother sound. But if you are planning a build than yes it is something to consider. Personally I like covered. Comes down to weather you want a raw open aggressive sound or smooth classic tight vibe.
Yes. I've taken covers of quite a few pickups then cleaned the wax off.
It got rid of the mud from. Epiphone brand pickups of old. When tthey sucked. Had the goldfish looking base plates.
I happened on a an epi sg400 of just the right era. It sounds killer its my only un modded guitar.
Except for removing the covers. It certainly brought top end in, in my ears.
I feel it made them sound better.
Thank you for your video. I agree with you 100% well professional.😊
You are so welcome!
Yes! I'm surprised!! The no cover sounded brighter! The covered sounded a bit muffled.
I heard a tad more high end clean with the cover, and more midrange presence overdriven with the cover off.
I think your test might be better if the pickups are potted.
Epiphone tries to sell nickel silver covers as controlling eddy currents, and that might be true. The filtertron radiator cover is supposed to be managing the shape of the magnetic field too.
I'm not comparing identical pickups when I say this, but I find that coverless pickups tend to have a little extra microphonics which add up to more amp feed back and a little more squeal in the pinch harmonics, but the same phenomenon happens with overwound pickups over medium or low output pickups.
And yes you should compare potted to unpotted.
Amen. On very careful listening with 4 guitars with the same PU, No covers sounded a 'bit' more open and the covered ones sounded tighter. When you use dirt ...tight is more than not a good thing. I could not perceive any difference in output.
The only significant difference is with a cover or not to use really different PUs. I freely mix HB at the bridge but use, Strat, Gretsch, Gold Foil, P90 and even Rickenbacker at the neck. I get scary good results doing for example the verse with one PU and the chorus with the other. I never split a HB it is a single coil compromise when you can easily have a real single coil that has some serious character.
Only thing I heard was that it seemed a little louder without the cover. However, the difference (if any) is so miniscule that it doesn't matter, and that, I think, is the true message here.
Through my headphone, I CAN hear the different. When covered, the tone loses a little bit of very top end sparkle. So it becomes less pointy and more rounded. But, I honestly can hear it because you put the comparison next to each other. In real life, it doesn't really matter.
Great video! Thanks Dylan!
I have a Classic Vibe '70s Squier Telecaster with a "widerange" pickup (known to be muddy), and according to my untrained ear the pickup without a cover sounded brighter so... how easy will be to remove it and do you think it will make a difference? I understand Dylan said it's just minutiae, but I wanna know what people think about it, also I prefer the look of a pickup without cover.
Like what you like. Dial in your sound and dont overthink the bs
I can definitely, the cover seems to almost muffle the sound taking out the high end to an extent to me. Which is why I have it change pickups to uncovered even tho I love the covered look much better.
Exactly!
Does wax potting change the tone? Other than stopping microphonic feedback?
Looking forward to the next vid
Wax potting doesn't effect tone as much as it effects sustain and little nuances that are created when playing compared to non wax. The 1959 PAF's are all non wax potted yet it's the sound of 400,000 dollars.
Thanks for these educational videos. People say this or that matters, and it's hard for an average person to know if it's true. For me, I prefer the *visual aesthetics* of the covered pickup. I have guitars with and without, and they sound different, but there are so many other differences between the guitars it's impossible for me to tell which aspects are responsible. It's cool to see a pretty careful A/B comparison by somebody who knows what they are doing. This demo confirms my suspicion that there is a lot of stuff that makes a difference, but not everything makes a big enough difference to worry about. For me, I end up sounding pretty much the same on almost any electric guitar.
I can’t tell enough of a difference that it matters, I like covered or uncovered depending on the style of guitar or whatever look that I’m going for at the time.
Oh, yeah, there’s a huge difference.
I have a Tele with Stew-Mac pickups. I took the cover off the neck pickup because it sounded muted, and wow, what a difference! It literally sounded like I had removed a thick blanket from my amp.
So I've been trying to figure out why my '79 Les Paul is not grounding when on the neck pickup. Only to realize that I swapped out the pickups and forgot that Norlin era needed ALL THE SHIELDING to prevent hum.
I could hear the slightest difference if I was listening with my eyes. When I knew the change was more likely, I could focus super hard and differentiate. But, and I like doing this with comparison videos, if I closed my eyes and only listened, I really couldn't tell anything. Like Dylan said, the change is so minute, that it is irrelevant. I started the video with, "Oh crap, I have a lot of covers I need to take off...", to, "Nope. I don't need to change a thing." Any change in the sound can so easily be addressed with EQ. I am curious now to investigate brass vs. nickel and see where my collection stands on that front.
It depends how transparent the covers are to the hidden poles. For the most part, I haven't heard a big difference. I've had Duncans with and without covers, like a pair of Custom 5 Trembuckers, and I could not hear a difference between the covered and uncovered. Both pickups sounded equally great. It may come down to looks most of the time. One reason wy covered pickups have regained popularity in recent years is because covers help keep strings from getting snagged if you divebomb with a locking trem. That way you don't have to put tape on the edge of the pups like Vai and Dimebag used to do. But as I don't use locking trems or do extreme dives it's a moot point for me.
It’s fun to get into the weeds but honestly I can’t tell the difference unless it’s something major like the pickups, pickup height, strings, setup, amp.
I remember Seth Lover, designer of the PAF, the the metal Gibson originally used on PAFs didn’t make a difference, but some metals do.
But yeah, the difference isn’t huge, and other factors making a bigger difference, means I agree it doesn’t matter.
I heard a slight difference, but neither stood out
I have covered & uncovered pickups as well.
The guitar you fall in love with is personal. The music you love to play on your guitar is personal. The tone you work to get out of it is personal. Therefore covers are down to a personal preference too. Great vid. Thanks.
Have seen several other videos where the exact same pickups were demonstrated w/ and w/o covers and there was always a difference. They always say the cover adds capacitance. Took covers off my LP because of it although obviously I can't tell a difference not having recorded the before and after. At least it looks cool in my opinion now, just wish they were zebra pattern under the covers. Will be interesting to see what Dylan finds. P.S. don't use a soldering iron to remove the cover. Any razor knife will cut through solder and you need to run a razor blade between the cover and pickup anyway, just don't cut toward the lead wires
I've only heard that the cover was for extra shielding. So I figure that's all it's good for. And besides, there's a multitude of reasons for tones changing. Especially with removing a pickup just to modify it. it's very easy to place it back in with a different height from the strings. And if I remember correctly don't you have to remove the pole pieces too. So these little things can make a difference. And as Glenn always says, the tone is in your speakers.
bro that remix was fire 🔥 lol good stuff 👍. The humbucker with No Cover sounded Brighter to me. Only slightly - subtle difference. SideNote: I want your guitar collection… the only thing i would add to it would be a PRS DGT maybe. Gr8 video!
Very interesting. Thank you Dylan.
bigger difference than i would have thought, but in the end, your amp has all them little knobs on it for a reason.
Very very little difference, less then I usually hear on other YT vids. My guess : the reason is that your pickups and cover are of excellent quality.
Generally (also here) the uncovered humbucker have more brightness and openness to the sound, also louder….
For me not enough to worry, but I would take it into account considering other factors that may add up.
I could hear the difference.
I thought even you first said the pickup heights were exactly the same you'd measured by the pre-raised pole screws or something, so that the coil to string space would be the same
Great video, thx! I always wonder whether you wouldn't need some quite good quality speakers on your pc to be even able to hear minor differences in tone.
Every change in isolation makes negligible difference. Yet, lots of small differences combine to make a huge difference. The sum of all parts is critical to tone
Can definitely hear a difference, but it's subtle and hard to say for sure what it is. Someone else in the comments said the cover was brighter, it might be a little in terms of tone, but I think it also has slightly less volume? I'd say it sounds softer, quite possibly as the result of the tiny difference in placement in the pickup you explained after. I wonder how much it would have changed it if you'd gone ahead and run the pole pieces up slightly as you would in a normal installation, rather than leaving them exactly where they were.
Agree that these are minutiae that shouldn't be fixated on, but it's still fun to experiment.
Hi Dylan, Loved the comparision I did not hear much difference but I didn't have head phones on.
I have a side question. Have you ever heard of DeArmond Goldtone humbucker pickups? I have some and they are hard to find. But the sound I get from those pick-ups, is to my ears is brighter and more clear. I can hear better note definition in chords even with distortion/overdrive. I am not talking triads/power chords, but rather 5 and 6 note chords. Do you know how they were made? winds and gauge magnet type? Any thing you know of that has simular clarity?
I want to add one nuance. It could make a HUGE difference if the pickup wasn't designed for a cover. I put covers on my Les Paul because I liked the look of the covered pickups. The problem was, that those pickups weren't designed to have covers. They sounded dead no matter what I did regarding the pickup height or the depth of the screws. Once I removed the covers, the guitar sounded normal again.
Did you solder the pickup cover to the ground of the pickup? that's a mistake I've made... If you just slip on a metal cover... it totally kills the pickup. If you solder the pickup to the pickups ground then you don't have this issue... and... unfortunately, it's actually kind of hard to solder the cover with normal tools. The cover is a large plate of metal, and usually the pickups ground plate is an even bigger piece of metal. So you need a really powerful iron to get it done... you also have to worry about damaging the pickup in the process.
@@charliemopps4926 (whew...this is old) Yes - it was soldered on. Regardless, I've moved on to a set of Fralin Pure PAFs and haven't looked back.
I could hear a difference. Uncovered was a little harsher, had a little more upper frequency, a little more open. Covered one sounded a little smoother, a little more midrangey.
I have been playing since 1962 and I cannot tell the difference especially if you use the tone and volume controls on the guitar and amp make the them sound the same. I will say that if you have to play the uncovered pickups on a Les Paul at a gig with a bad florescent light above the electrical buzz will be picked up and go through the amp. We had a 335 at the gig with covered Humbuckers and the electrical interference did not come through the 335 to the amp..!
Any video with these kinds of titles are guilty of being a little "click baity". Which is the purpose of titles to begin with, and yes, I'll give in and watch too.
But to settle the entire "does ______ affect tone?", question. The answer is always, Yes. Because everything effects tone. Introducing a vibration into anything turns it into a dynamic environment. Can't be helped. And it's rarely even the case where even the slightest differences can't be perceived. We all have different ears and perceptions. It's almost always a case of "do I care?". Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. And the world keeps turning, either way.
Bruh is monologuing 😂
Ok relax we get it
You are soooooooo right. So many other things that can affect and effect your sound.
Absolutely knocks some of the harshness off the tone, butters it up with chrome covers. Plus, I much prefer the classic and clean look as well as the high E not getting hung up.
This channel should be called "Dylan Sensibly Talks Tone". I'm a bit of a tone freak but I'm repeatedly amazed at how much us guitar players go on about ridiculous minutia that nobody can possibly hear in a mix.
Great video of pick-up winding, hand made in the USA, love it. The sounds were so close, yet the un-covered seemed to have more individual note sounds not as blended, if that makes sense.
I think anybody listening on their device speaker or factory speaker on their TV won't hear it but with headphones, surround sound ort decent monitors you'll hear it. I think the decision to go covered or uncovered should revolve around the how it affects your enjoyment of the instrument.
I listened with the screen off and I couldn’t really tell a difference 🤷♂️
But regardless I vibe with your message. Love how you think!
Potted vs Unpotted interests me, go for it!
I think you nailed why there is a difference. It's the pick up height and the magnetic field that the cover changes.
I bought a second-hand powerful humbucker 15.5 kohm, 8.21 H, Alnico 5 is magnetized to level 8. The clear sound is very bright and loud, but with high gain sound is too sharp. I thought I could put a cover and reduce power of humbucker. But now I understand that this will not have an effect. What should I do to get the sound of a standard PAF? Thanks!
After removing the cover on my tele neck pickup, it opened up the sound from muddy to clean clear highs
Hey Dylan thank you for sharing your valuable opinions really very appreciated, you are one of the best for explaining many queries in the field of the pickups and many guitar related issues and I salute you my friend best regards from England UK 👍🎸🤘
Before I even watched your video. Answer it does, the quibble being degree. But the primary purpose of a cover is protection of the pickup. One has to bear in mind that back in the day, guitars and pickups were much more expensive relative to income rendering physical barrier for protection and probable longevity a worthwhile feature. And that's without consideration of aesthetics (irrelevant to tone per se) which come and go in terms of vogue. I have humbucker fitted SSH, P90H and HH guitars with both covered and uncovered implementations BTW, so no pre-prejudice/bias either way. It's just one variable in so many which affect/effect desired tone.
I prefer the covered sound, really don't know why, I never have used covered pickups but i was planning on putting some covers on the di marzio super distortion. It kinda smoothes out the thing, like, polishes it, the other one gives you the full stuff and that is great, or it was when I had 20.
Sounded more twangy without cover. More buttery smooth with. Sounds like I'd prefer to have a cover on my neck and without for bridge.
I can definitely hear a difference. I prefer the look and sound of a nice humbucker with a nickel cover...💕♥️
Excellent comparison/demo ...........and from my experience ....I totally agree. Kudos !
I can tell a difference when I take covers on and off. I used to go back and forth on them on a few guitars.
Even though the differences weren't anything that couldn't be compensated for by tweaking amp settings for prescence and gain, they're immediately clear. Covers off sounds more open and has more apparent output and sparkle. The fact that I think metal Humbucker covers look fugly has nothing whatever to do with my opinion on this, even though I'd not give house space to a guitar with them for any longer than the time it takes to get the things off. Don't mind the Dogear cover on my Junior, perhaps 'cause it's plastic and can't ruin the tone, perhaps 'cause it's actually attractive. I like Soapbars too, and actually quite like black plastic covers on Humbuckers, weird huh? No-one said opinions had to make sense, fortunately.
Cool, but do chrome painted plastic covers on single coils affect tone?
tone is in your speaker the cab its in the of couse the amp features and setttings you use
I could hear a difference, but it was slight. I think an untrained ear wouldn't tell the difference. I think I heard a slight increase in the higher frequencies on the open face. Nice video, Dylan!!
Listening side by side, I couldn't tell the difference. I would be interested in potted VS unpotted! Good video!
???? Dylan, I have an Electromatic Stumpomatic ( Corvette) with Gretsch Megatron pickups and I can't stand them, am I missing something here and am missing out on a good pickup? Do you have any suggestions on how to adjust these pickups for a tone closer to a vintage Filtertron or should I look at replacing these, thank you!
I just like the look of potted chrome covered pups with chrome. metal rings.
if the covered pick up is technically lower and the screws are higher, surely that is the sound difference, with or without a cover. But either way, nothing that can't be compensated for with the volume and tone knobs on the guitar, pedals or the amp.
Not sure about hummers but the neck pickup on my Tele sounds a lot different with no cover. With cover its muffled and muddy, not articulate at all. Without the cover it really " opens up" and note seperation is pretty good.
Cheers.
So I’m putting this comment down here coz this is where you said to comment and I don’t want what you say for the rest of the video to influence me, but to my ear the uncovered one sounded slightly brighter with more sparkle in the top and the covered sounded slightly warmer
I can’t hear a difference that’s appreciable or that I could specifically assign to the cover vs the possibility of slightly different attack, or other things you mentioned. I can only imagine this making a difference at all under circumstances of recording, direct in, extremely clean guitar signal only, no other part of the mix. And even then, it’d be puny compared to all the adjustments I might make when recording.
I heard a difference when I was watching but if I turned my back I could not. Guess my ears are not that sensitive.
I have two Les Pauls both with Slash pickups, one covered set, one uncovered set. Big difference. I attributed that to different guitars but I think it is more than that in the way they respond.
Yo Dylan, plastic covers matter even less right? Especially if you raise the covered pickup to make up for the open pickup high tones?
What I can say is that the cleans were clipping both with and without the cover.
I enjoyed the demonstration and I really couldn’t detect the difference. Both were good,
Missed the live. I do hear a difference but I'm not sure I like one more.
I am very happy with my DAFs . They have the clear covers. Wouldn't change a thing. Thanks again, Dylan.
Do you know why Seymour Duncan shielding coils on trembuckers, but sh hasn't? Maybe trembuckers sounds brighter, maybe more wire = more hum? Do you know the reason?