Omen one ways was what made his smokes unique. Astra can fake smoke, Brim has longer and cloudy smokes, Clove can smoke after dying and Harbor has a bulletproof smoke. Nerf was unnecessary.
Right? His shadow view is pretty much pointless now. Why not just give him a UI of the map to make smoking faster. But that would be the worst possible change they could make :/
This Omen nerf was unnecessary. It was a very unique "ability" of his and now they took it away. Same as his blind travel speed. In the past you could throw the blind at different speed, depening if you're moving forwards, backwards or standing still. They took it away for no reason
@OwenKelch no? i used to do it just like 5 days ago or so lol im talking about the blind being slow when you move backwards and faster if u click W. or is it just a placebo effect on me idk
Brim: Can put 3 smokes at the same time thar last half the round Clove: Can put smokes while dead Viper: Smoke and wall damages you Astra: plays fuckin simcity Harbour: smoke that blocks bullets The only thing that made omens smoke different from the other agents (like brim, clove and astra) was the possibility of doing one ways. Now it is just a regular smoke that does not have any major differential
idk man, the phoenix buff and new armor, new gun are all pretty big new things. The game is very unique but how do you kill a competitive game? Abloteriate the balance so they have to be very careful.
With omen you traded "not being able to smoke as fast as clove and brim" for "being able to throw one ways" which made smoking slower but more impactful Now you are forced to throw same smokes as everyone else AND you are way slower than everyone else
I think we were getting too much with Omen smoke controls. You can still do midair smokes, do smokes as you want for places with different elevations, you get high precision with Omen smokes, so you can make same, but better 1ways than Brim/Clove/Astra can
I main Omen and I do feel that this nerf is unjustified. Omen as an agent doesn't have any offensive ability, apart from his blind and like a few other agents like jett, raze, you need to have skill to play this agent. The matery ceiling for Omen in particular is high because it takes time to learn him and its not really a beginer friendly agent. Taking away his one-ways won't really impact his pick rate for those that main him, but it definitely makes the game less fun.
I spent many hours making goofy one ways for post plants and defense, but it seems now all my time has been wasted... Feels bad man... This won't stop me from locking omen tho, the teleports were what made interested in playing him in the first place
The reasoning for his nerf is the reasons riot always used in league which is "this character is strong in pro plays" while neglecting the fact 99% of the playerbase aren't pro players
As an Omen main I agree that these nerfs are pretty BS. Like you have pointed out there are so many counters to them. A lot of these one ways had that hard skill ceiling anyway. It almost makes his smokes feel a little more ridged too. That’s just me though. Zero Neon Ult nerfs but fuck that Omen One-Way dude.
I absolutely agree that buffing other agents is the way to go instead of nerfing fun and unique agents... look at what they did to my sweet jett and viper...
They nerf the most fun smokes instead of bringing other smokes to his level. Then every solo queue player wonders why they have to beg for smokes every game
A nerf to lower a character's skill ceiling is never something I will ever agree with. Really a bummer he can't throw those one-ways anymore. He's not much weaker, but now he's more one-dimensional.
How is placing one-ways skillful? The main thing is knowing they exist, but placing one does not require much skill, and you don't need to learn lineups like Cypher cage or Sova, you just check for doorways with ledges and wiggle your mouse until it's in the right spot... Like, it's sad they removed them, but it wasn't really skillfull and didn't have much counferplay, so I don't mind it being gone
There is one more unique, really strong thing aboout Omen that no one talks about: SMOKE IN THE AIR, that makes an instant one way to attack for a few seconds, while its going down. No other smoker can make that. I still think is the best smoker of the game. Cheers!
Totally agree, I think Omen’s strength as an agent in pro play is as a secondary controller (usually paired with a brim or viper) because of his replenishable smokes. On top of that the controller role in valorant is one of the least popular roles “to fill” and I feel that by nerfing him it only discourages players to play the controller role in general, I mean cloves pick rate is already high as it is.
A nerf was probably justified due to his overwhelming pickrate over years, but we didn't even see pro teams get to play with a 5 star Astra as main competitor for the smokes spot. An then again i totally agree that the one ways weren't that strong compared to the flash but they made Omen unique :/
if they want other controllers to have a better pickrate, they should buff them and not nerf one controller. AND THEY CARE SO MUCH abt the proplay where things are entirely different for normal players. they did the same to viper,she was balanced but due to her pickrate in FUCKING PROPLAY they nerfed her. i wont be surprised if they nerf omen more. all my oneway knowledge for nothing.
Btw, I’ve done some testing on where Omen oneways still work, and they’re mostly like Astra. But there’s still a couple spots, One on Ascent, and a couple more I’ve found where Omen can smoke, but Astra can’t. These are hardly ever used because they are so niche so you’re never gonna be able to make them work, but it’s something to note.
Cypher can throw one ways in any small piece of decoration in the map while having indestructible wires, but they think Omen was too strong while he had already received a one way nerf before.
Instead of nerfing Omen, they should have buffed the other controllers instead. Here's why: Omen's pick rate is heavily reliant on the map pool. Maps where Omen's blind and repositions are strong are considered his "good maps." He's good on Haven because his blinds are really good for stalling and executes, and he can reposition in very crucial positions quickly. But on maps like Fracture, Pearl, and Breeze, Omen is worse than smokers like Astra and Viper because his team gets less value from his blind and repositioning, due to the openness of sites and choke points. A map like Bind favors Brim and Viper more because the choke points are so crucial to the gameplay style, that stalling is more important than repositioning on the map. So, by controlling the map pool and increasing agent specific strengths, Riot can "nerf" Omen by making other controllers better. If they make Harbor a better agent with better stall and map control, we could probably replace Omen for Harbor on Abyss for example. The Map pool is also about to change, and now we have Split (Omen, Astra, secondary Viper), Fracture (Brim, Astra), Bind (Brim, Viper, Secondary Omen or Harbor), Pearl (Astra, Viper), Abyss (Omen, Astra, secondary Harbor ig), Haven (Omen, Astra, secondary Viper) and Lotus (Omen, Viper). In the coming Map pool, Astra has 5 maps where she is considered a strong primary controller, Viper can be used on any map as either a primary or secondary, Brimstone has Fracture and Bind, Harbor has some options, and Clove is a ranked agent. Riot nerfed Omen instead of making characters like Harbor or Clove better for pro play, which makes no sense since he doesn't even have the best map rotation for him.
Im sad and happy for omen at the same time, bc i would hate it even more if they somehow nerfed the blind and the tp's. It still sucks tho, it was nice and unique for omen to have those one-ways that other smoke agents can't throw..
i played omen mainly as a playmakes like setting up executes to being the anchor of the team. having one of my strats, the one ways, being nerfed makes me feel very vulnerable and naked tbh
10:48 If riot actually cared to improve the game they'd make it so this kinda shit doesn't happen. The inconsistencies with the close TP are so tedious to deal with. Let us pick a place to tp with a ping or something in advance and let us activate it when we're ready instead of jumping out in front of the other team and getting shafted cause the game is poorly made
I think A nerf is super justified but not this one. This reminds me of the situation w the fade bungee lineups when they removed them. If a character is broken uou dont take the cool tech that makes them unique and makd them more boring just so they are in line w the other agemts of that class instead you should focus solely on the main reason they are strong and tone that down. Buffing the other controllers would t work bc smokes are already super strong in pro play and even double smokes is used a lot so they buffs would just make the controller class way too strong Nerfs j think omen should have instead of the oneway nerf. Smoke timer The smokes should regenerate a lot slower bc at this point omens have too many smokes in a roundand can basically permanently smoke a chokepoint so up that timer a lil bit. 2. Omen paranoia should be wayyyy shorter. At this point in time it has the length of a full breach ultimate almost and close to half the width which means if u want to execute a site like ascent a site. You can hit half the site with the blind w full consistency
The change was to make all the dome-smoke controllers consistent. Despite the one-ways being niche, Omen smokes were simply better because of this option. The fact that his smokes are effected by gravity is still unique only to him, and can have some very high skilled applications, so the skill expression is still there. For the sake of consistency, they should definently go back through the maps and let every dome-smoke controller place smokes on ledges where omen can tp (among other agents who can boost themselves or others), because that's pretty dumb.
when I read the patch note I tested the same one way on ascent and I find that the nerf is maybe bug (I hope so) or just too important, hoping that they rollback ^^', omen one way was what make the agent unique
@@jren1341 he has a 70 percent pick rate in pro play which is insane. i’m an omen main but i still understand he was broken even tho i’m sad abt the nerfs
@ say that again but slower… he’s great in pro play (games where team plays are necessary to win) bc he’s good at playing by himself… either way that pickrate is worth a nerf no matter what you say
The one way thing made me sad. His smokes have no uniqueness compared to other smokes now where they are have their uniqueness. Brim is instant, can't see in them, and last forever. Clove smokes post death and is only 2 seconds shorter than Omen. Astra can Insta and fake smoke from literally anywhere and they are larger and then she can stun and suck from anywhere while she rotates.
As omen main, it sucks si ce the ony util you can utilize for team is smoke and teleport. Ultimate is situational due to it being useless almost all the time except stealing spike and changing site. Enemy can litteraly hear where you tp.
i also believe the nerf was useless. but as an omen player i never utilized the one ways other then the basic ones. yeah on ascent i used the door one ways and maybe bind but omen was already pretty alright on bind. That is the point though, Omen himself was already a unique controller so i dont think these nerfs were necessary. Imo he was already balanced and the astra buffs were already giving omen a run for his money for who the best controller was. AND the double controller meta was alresdy in affect
Im low rank so I didn't really get affected by the one way changes (was learning them at the time). However, it just sucked that a character that is pretty much normal ranked to have this "loophole" around his kit taken away. They could have nerfed other agents but oh well.
For me, The nerf isn't that bad, yes it's sad that he cannot do cool oneways anymore, and overall making him less creative with smoking position and somewhat lower his difficulty and the fun playing him, it even taking away his signature compare to other Controllers which is "unique oneways". But like you said, Omen shines with his tps and blind, he's far from bad and will still be a strong Controller, but I would lie if I say I'm okay with this nerf
as a beginner/intermediate omen player, i have been watching you and i was excited to start learning/ using one ways more. to me the nerf is disappointing and it just feels like riot is lowering his skill ceiling
as a day 1 Omen player, I don't really care about the nerf much because I literally never use one-ways and the rest of the kit is untouched, but I would still prefer if the nerf didn't happen simply because I know a lot of my fellow Omen players out there actually did use the one ways
IT WAS NECESSARY IT PUTS HIM IN LEAGUE WITH OTHER SMOKES AND SMOKES ARE SUPPOSTED TO BLOCK ANGLES NOT CREATE ONE WAY FOR KILLS AND HALF BLOCK ANGLES REST OMEN MAIN KEYS ARE HIS TELEPORT AND FLASH WHICH ARE REALLY GOOD AND MAIN THINGS
I’m so sad about this nerf towards omen, it’s so unnecessary and I couldn’t believe they thought this is a good idea. Every controller have their own unique way when it comes to smokes, now they have stripped it away from omen and he is the only one who doesn’t have a uniqueness in his smokes anymore like it’s just a typical normal smoke plus the smoke doesn’t last long just like cloves smoke. Omens smoke is hard to use already, to become a good omen smoker you need to be ready and know where to smoke in the split second before the enemy hits knowing one ways in the spot just makes it a large skill that you can learn like just adds up to your skill when it comes to omen but as we know one ways can be easy countered…, and omens smoke needs to travel and it’s not like clove, brim, where you can put smokes instantly This nerf doesn’t affect him it just hurts his own uniqueness from his smokes compared to other controllers 😢
imo since i have to look exactly where i want to smoke and cant sit in a corner and hold my angle while smoking why cant i smoke on purple boxes in altered reality is bs
In my opinion, I always thought omen was the most balanced agent in Valorant. His repositioning is good his 50/50 tp plays, his team plays are good. So knowing he's an agent that could be nerfed makes me worried that riot will make the agent unbalanced.
Exactly. Like why is Brim’s smokes not hollow then? No one questions that. Why can brim and clove smoke 3 choke points at the same time? Why can Astra fake smoke? Omen doesn’t have those. I think developers should consult radiants and other pro players before making changes. They themselves might be plat diamond or even silver who can’t counter Omen one ways. Like what’s wrong with them?
5:26 Surprised anyone can say that without breaking into hysterical laughter 😂 Riot’s balancing, in all their games, has always been questionable at best and at worst, completely unnecessary.
this is how i felt when they functionally removed double shocks from the game. like I get it was a little silly, but now it feels like there are way less cool line ups and ideas. its just more and more the same stuff
The omen nerfs feels a bit unnecessary since it limits areas you can deny(like sage boost mid sunset,etc.). Plus unlike other controllers omen set smokes 1 at a time and takes time to travel and bloom. While others like clove or brim just places it down... I agree why not just buff other smokes to do one ways too 😂
The worst part about the nerf is that because they essentially didn’t change anything about his smokes for the vast majority of players, it will probably never get changed back. Balancing the game around the top .01% of cases is the stupidest way to go about balance.
u literally answered ur own question, a low to average elo person prolly doesnt even know what an one way is, so this change doesnt affect them at all but in pro play where omen was literally the most picked agent , this will balance him out. so this is a genius way to go about a nerf
@ no one uses the obscure one ways in pro games so that means nothing to them. He’s picked for the flash, and highly refreshable smokes with good range. They’re gonna see nothing change with him and then nerf him again because he’s the same in pro games and that’s how they balance the game which is a terrible way to go about it.
This should nerf omen by the rest of his stuff. If a smoker cannot smoke properly, it’s not a real smoker. Just by having only 1 tp and less stronger flash would be a decent nerf
And what about Neon? Her 100% accuracy isn’t nerfed. So is riot going for a game completely based on RNG? Then I must say they’re calling in their own demise
I agree that only good omen players used omen to his full potential i only played omen for his blind and 1 ways ascent haven split all had good spots for 1 ways RIP 1 ways clove players are ruining controller rep , thats for another day discussion
I think this comment section is really stuck on the sement of nostalgia of the character rather than balance and the overall question of was it healthy? Unless you wanted omen to be hard nerfed in other ways? This change was main reason he was incredibly dominant of a smoke on almost every map because of how overpowered his smokes were. Also they have zero intention of giving omen any buff unless his winrate dramatically drop. Also no this is not a omen exclusive thing either viper actually can do the same exact thing for the price of the fact she cannot grab her orb. The initial gimmick of Omen was the fact it's free placement and recharge. Clove is the innovation on that for being able to smoke after death at the cost of her having the lost uptime on her ult and limited range. You guys are simply not worried about his balance some of his one ways if you did not want to pour utility into the smoke? You have to burn utility or you die if you wait till it drops he could cycle that same smoke up to 2 more times, omen is thee perfect smoke taking away his sentinel esc powers was the most healthy riot could have done. If they took away his flash being decent a lot of TP plays would just die.
imo, the deserved nerf, not exactly the right one, but 80% pickrate in pro is saying something at least. It is a different situation with omen than with any other character that had such a high pickrate, omen is not broken, it is just slightly better than other smokes. Omen's don't drop crazy amount of kills, they don't duel mindlessly. All in all, i can see WHY nerf omen, but there was no actual NEED to, i was sure something would happen eventually, and im glad its not THAT bad.
Omen nerf was unnecessary. one way is why his smoke unique than other ball shape smoke, if they say one way is why Omen is strong in high rank, then how Riot explian Omen tp and falsh, tp & flash combo is real reason that Omen is strong, because you can use your imagination to do some unexpected play to get kill
The simplification of omen was so strange. I don’t think omen is a problem at all and this nerf doesn’t really make sense. Like it just took away his options instead of adjusting his strengths. Feels like a lame change just for the sake of making him easier.
@ omen is and interesting character to play with and against. He offers both sides new and unique options to engagements. The other smokers often lack in that are. Most of their strategies are to one note/uninteresting. To me that sounds like the other smokers are at fault. Even then, if we still wanted to knock omen down a peg. Why would removing his creativity and lowering not only his skill ceiling but the way to express him, be the optimal option to go with. If omen is to strong I could think of other nerfs or indirect nerfs that could be made. In my opinion this game should focus on letting people express their play styles, but keeping the oppressive ones in check.
Well great. Astra will be viable again. So many omens in one team regardless of their uniqueness Not even PRX Raze Reyna or Loud 7 flashes comps helped But I agree, their wording is bad. It should've been "where astra, brim, and clove can smokes"
52 and there you go you just explained why this agent got nerfed,omen has the strongest ability in the game so having that and a smoke that one ways almost any spot then yes the nerf is deserved
This omen nerf was a stray bullet that should have never happened. You pick omen to have versatility as a whole and those one ways were making him a better smokes agent than clove and better than brim. Riot seriously need to get their priorities in check. They make so many shitty metas because they dont think before they act. If theres any game developers here who are making a game, NEVER DOUBLE BUFF OR DOUBLE NERF, only change one thing at a time. Thats how you have the Iso and neon problems that have happened recently, then they double nerfed iso and made him fogshit again. Riot sucks ass at finding middle grounds.
Ive never been so genuinely angry about a nerf to an agent. All this did was take even more creativity away from an agent who thrived off of how uniquely you could use your kit. I'm still gonna one trick omen, but this was a dark day for omen mains.
I do not like the nerf, I've been playing Omen since 2021 and this nerf honestly has made me play Valo a lot less. Simply because he was unique to me and changing him to be a basic bitch has made Valo less fun. Omen gave me a kind of creativity I never thought I'd find in Valo and then..this. Thanks Riot, you do not know what you're doing.
Omen one ways was what made his smokes unique. Astra can fake smoke, Brim has longer and cloudy smokes, Clove can smoke after dying and Harbor has a bulletproof smoke. Nerf was unnecessary.
Right? His shadow view is pretty much pointless now. Why not just give him a UI of the map to make smoking faster. But that would be the worst possible change they could make :/
then how come omen with with his niche was dominating pro play while the others weren't? he deserves it
@@wehawt2345 his other util. an omen blind nerf could have been ok but smokes were unnesecary
@@wehawt2345Have you listened to the video? The proplay choose omen because of the capability of making coordinated strats with his flash
Omen has long rang with fast recharging smokes
Edit: Also his smokes last longer than cloves yet they recharge for the same time
This Omen nerf was unnecessary. It was a very unique "ability" of his and now they took it away. Same as his blind travel speed. In the past you could throw the blind at different speed, depening if you're moving forwards, backwards or standing still. They took it away for no reason
THEY TOOK IT AWAY!?!?! OHHH HELL NAHHH!!
Just like they did with Cypher. Riot why do useless nerffff???
wait what? i was like okay smoke nerfed thats alright but the damned blind speed too? breh they done ruined my boy
@@malgamer6969 the blind nerf was like a year ago if not more
@OwenKelch no? i used to do it just like 5 days ago or so lol im talking about the blind being slow when you move backwards and faster if u click W. or is it just a placebo effect on me idk
Brim: Can put 3 smokes at the same time thar last half the round
Clove: Can put smokes while dead
Viper: Smoke and wall damages you
Astra: plays fuckin simcity
Harbour: smoke that blocks bullets
The only thing that made omens smoke different from the other agents (like brim, clove and astra) was the possibility of doing one ways. Now it is just a regular smoke that does not have any major differential
Mid air smokes for momentary 1way anywhere you want, high precision smokes thus best rechargeable 1ways in the game.
Bro that astra description got me dead😂😂
the game is becoming less creative as time passes unfortunately
True. Bit by bit, they are taking away the uniqueness of the agents in the game.
idk man, the phoenix buff and new armor, new gun are all pretty big new things. The game is very unique but how do you kill a competitive game? Abloteriate the balance so they have to be very careful.
That's why i also main Yoru along with omen. Unlimited expressing creativity.
@@wyattwelton8599what new gun?
@@1Layl2 the outlaw
With omen you traded "not being able to smoke as fast as clove and brim" for "being able to throw one ways" which made smoking slower but more impactful
Now you are forced to throw same smokes as everyone else AND you are way slower than everyone else
I think we were getting too much with Omen smoke controls. You can still do midair smokes, do smokes as you want for places with different elevations, you get high precision with Omen smokes, so you can make same, but better 1ways than Brim/Clove/Astra can
I main Omen and I do feel that this nerf is unjustified. Omen as an agent doesn't have any offensive ability, apart from his blind and like a few other agents like jett, raze, you need to have skill to play this agent. The matery ceiling for Omen in particular is high because it takes time to learn him and its not really a beginer friendly agent. Taking away his one-ways won't really impact his pick rate for those that main him, but it definitely makes the game less fun.
I spent many hours making goofy one ways for post plants and defense, but it seems now all my time has been wasted... Feels bad man... This won't stop me from locking omen tho, the teleports were what made interested in playing him in the first place
Omen got nerfed.
Flexinja:- Nah I'd win.
The reasoning for his nerf is the reasons riot always used in league which is "this character is strong in pro plays" while neglecting the fact 99% of the playerbase aren't pro players
As an Omen main I agree that these nerfs are pretty BS. Like you have pointed out there are so many counters to them. A lot of these one ways had that hard skill ceiling anyway. It almost makes his smokes feel a little more ridged too. That’s just me though.
Zero Neon Ult nerfs but fuck that Omen One-Way dude.
Not nerfing neon and nerfing omen is CRAZYYY
Skill expression? whats that? we dont need that ~~Riot probably
I absolutely agree that buffing other agents is the way to go instead of nerfing fun and unique agents... look at what they did to my sweet jett and viper...
They nerf the most fun smokes instead of bringing other smokes to his level. Then every solo queue player wonders why they have to beg for smokes every game
A nerf to lower a character's skill ceiling is never something I will ever agree with. Really a bummer he can't throw those one-ways anymore. He's not much weaker, but now he's more one-dimensional.
How is placing one-ways skillful? The main thing is knowing they exist, but placing one does not require much skill, and you don't need to learn lineups like Cypher cage or Sova, you just check for doorways with ledges and wiggle your mouse until it's in the right spot... Like, it's sad they removed them, but it wasn't really skillfull and didn't have much counferplay, so I don't mind it being gone
There is one more unique, really strong thing aboout Omen that no one talks about: SMOKE IN THE AIR, that makes an instant one way to attack for a few seconds, while its going down. No other smoker can make that. I still think is the best smoker of the game. Cheers!
Totally agree, I think Omen’s strength as an agent in pro play is as a secondary controller (usually paired with a brim or viper) because of his replenishable smokes. On top of that the controller role in valorant is one of the least popular roles “to fill” and I feel that by nerfing him it only discourages players to play the controller role in general, I mean cloves pick rate is already high as it is.
A nerf was probably justified due to his overwhelming pickrate over years, but we didn't even see pro teams get to play with a 5 star Astra as main competitor for the smokes spot. An then again i totally agree that the one ways weren't that strong compared to the flash but they made Omen unique :/
i feel like they nerfed omen bc its a 3 v 1 they rather nerf one character thats played more then buff the 3 others that are less used
if they want other controllers to have a better pickrate, they should buff them and not nerf one controller. AND THEY CARE SO MUCH abt the proplay where things are entirely different for normal players. they did the same to viper,she was balanced but due to her pickrate in FUCKING PROPLAY they nerfed her. i wont be surprised if they nerf omen more. all my oneway knowledge for nothing.
Btw, I’ve done some testing on where Omen oneways still work, and they’re mostly like Astra. But there’s still a couple spots, One on Ascent, and a couple more I’ve found where Omen can smoke, but Astra can’t. These are hardly ever used because they are so niche so you’re never gonna be able to make them work, but it’s something to note.
Riot: gosh, people still aren’t picking harbor for whatever reason.... Oh I know how to fix it! Nerf Omen.
Cypher can throw one ways in any small piece of decoration in the map while having indestructible wires, but they think Omen was too strong while he had already received a one way nerf before.
Instead of nerfing Omen, they should have buffed the other controllers instead.
Here's why: Omen's pick rate is heavily reliant on the map pool. Maps where Omen's blind and repositions are strong are considered his "good maps." He's good on Haven because his blinds are really good for stalling and executes, and he can reposition in very crucial positions quickly. But on maps like Fracture, Pearl, and Breeze, Omen is worse than smokers like Astra and Viper because his team gets less value from his blind and repositioning, due to the openness of sites and choke points. A map like Bind favors Brim and Viper more because the choke points are so crucial to the gameplay style, that stalling is more important than repositioning on the map.
So, by controlling the map pool and increasing agent specific strengths, Riot can "nerf" Omen by making other controllers better. If they make Harbor a better agent with better stall and map control, we could probably replace Omen for Harbor on Abyss for example.
The Map pool is also about to change, and now we have Split (Omen, Astra, secondary Viper), Fracture (Brim, Astra), Bind (Brim, Viper, Secondary Omen or Harbor), Pearl (Astra, Viper), Abyss (Omen, Astra, secondary Harbor ig), Haven (Omen, Astra, secondary Viper) and Lotus (Omen, Viper).
In the coming Map pool, Astra has 5 maps where she is considered a strong primary controller, Viper can be used on any map as either a primary or secondary, Brimstone has Fracture and Bind, Harbor has some options, and Clove is a ranked agent. Riot nerfed Omen instead of making characters like Harbor or Clove better for pro play, which makes no sense since he doesn't even have the best map rotation for him.
MY ONE WAYSSS MY WHOLE PERSONALITYYYYY, MY HOURS ON CUSTOM MATCHESSS
I havent seen a nerf for omen like that since the great oneway drop
Im sad and happy for omen at the same time, bc i would hate it even more if they somehow nerfed the blind and the tp's. It still sucks tho, it was nice and unique for omen to have those one-ways that other smoke agents can't throw..
And casual omen's don't even throw those smokes, it's only the omen mains or people who know how to play omen well enough.
Lowkey felt out of the blue. Especially with the blue blur running around with unanimous opinions that she should be nerfed.
i played omen mainly as a playmakes like setting up executes to being the anchor of the team. having one of my strats, the one ways, being nerfed makes me feel very vulnerable and naked tbh
9:54 Skye is so me on 1v1😭😭
10:35 bro still manages to find a way around the nerf 😂
he said the clips are pre nerf
Omen needed a nerf because of you cris 😂😂
10:48
If riot actually cared to improve the game they'd make it so this kinda shit doesn't happen. The inconsistencies with the close TP are so tedious to deal with. Let us pick a place to tp with a ping or something in advance and let us activate it when we're ready instead of jumping out in front of the other team and getting shafted cause the game is poorly made
Nerfing the uniqueness of an agent and on the other hand still keeping neon in the game is crazy.
This nerf don't broke omen but make him less fun for sure... idk why they come with the idea of nerfing omen tbh..
I miss omen being able to one-way already…
Also 16:02 that table slam was personal 💀
I think A nerf is super justified but not this one. This reminds me of the situation w the fade bungee lineups when they removed them. If a character is broken uou dont take the cool tech that makes them unique and makd them more boring just so they are in line w the other agemts of that class instead you should focus solely on the main reason they are strong and tone that down. Buffing the other controllers would t work bc smokes are already super strong in pro play and even double smokes is used a lot so they buffs would just make the controller class way too strong
Nerfs j think omen should have instead of the oneway nerf.
Smoke timer
The smokes should regenerate a lot slower bc at this point omens have too many smokes in a roundand can basically permanently smoke a chokepoint so up that timer a lil bit.
2. Omen paranoia should be wayyyy shorter. At this point in time it has the length of a full breach ultimate almost and close to half the width which means if u want to execute a site like ascent a site. You can hit half the site with the blind w full consistency
The change was to make all the dome-smoke controllers consistent. Despite the one-ways being niche, Omen smokes were simply better because of this option. The fact that his smokes are effected by gravity is still unique only to him, and can have some very high skilled applications, so the skill expression is still there. For the sake of consistency, they should definently go back through the maps and let every dome-smoke controller place smokes on ledges where omen can tp (among other agents who can boost themselves or others), because that's pretty dumb.
when I read the patch note I tested the same one way on ascent and I find that the nerf is maybe bug (I hope so) or just too important, hoping that they rollback ^^', omen one way was what make the agent unique
Was Omen's Nerf Justified? No.
yes. a nerf was needed but they nerfed the wrong thing
@@sirjamjam101he was perfectly fine
@@jren1341 he has a 70 percent pick rate in pro play which is insane. i’m an omen main but i still understand he was broken even tho i’m sad abt the nerfs
@@sirjamjam101 How is be broken? Omen is great in pro-play because he has the ability to play for himself.
@ say that again but slower… he’s great in pro play (games where team plays are necessary to win) bc he’s good at playing by himself… either way that pickrate is worth a nerf no matter what you say
The one way thing made me sad. His smokes have no uniqueness compared to other smokes now where they are have their uniqueness. Brim is instant, can't see in them, and last forever. Clove smokes post death and is only 2 seconds shorter than Omen. Astra can Insta and fake smoke from literally anywhere and they are larger and then she can stun and suck from anywhere while she rotates.
As omen main, it sucks si ce the ony util you can utilize for team is smoke and teleport.
Ultimate is situational due to it being useless almost all the time except stealing spike and changing site. Enemy can litteraly hear where you tp.
i also believe the nerf was useless. but as an omen player i never utilized the one ways other then the basic ones. yeah on ascent i used the door one ways and maybe bind but omen was already pretty alright on bind. That is the point though, Omen himself was already a unique controller so i dont think these nerfs were necessary. Imo he was already balanced and the astra buffs were already giving omen a run for his money for who the best controller was. AND the double controller meta was alresdy in affect
9:55 What a beautiful sound bro XD
Im low rank so I didn't really get affected by the one way changes (was learning them at the time). However, it just sucked that a character that is pretty much normal ranked to have this "loophole" around his kit taken away. They could have nerfed other agents but oh well.
For me, The nerf isn't that bad, yes it's sad that he cannot do cool oneways anymore, and overall making him less creative with smoking position and somewhat lower his difficulty and the fun playing him, it even taking away his signature compare to other Controllers which is "unique oneways". But like you said, Omen shines with his tps and blind, he's far from bad and will still be a strong Controller, but I would lie if I say I'm okay with this nerf
as a beginner/intermediate omen player, i have been watching you and i was excited to start learning/ using one ways more. to me the nerf is disappointing and it just feels like riot is lowering his skill ceiling
whats ur crosshair i like it
as a day 1 Omen player, I don't really care about the nerf much because I literally never use one-ways and the rest of the kit is untouched, but I would still prefer if the nerf didn't happen simply because I know a lot of my fellow Omen players out there actually did use the one ways
IT WAS NECESSARY IT PUTS HIM IN LEAGUE WITH OTHER SMOKES AND SMOKES ARE SUPPOSTED TO BLOCK ANGLES NOT CREATE ONE WAY FOR KILLS AND HALF BLOCK ANGLES
REST OMEN MAIN KEYS ARE HIS TELEPORT AND FLASH WHICH ARE REALLY GOOD AND MAIN THINGS
I’m so sad about this nerf towards omen, it’s so unnecessary and I couldn’t believe they thought this is a good idea. Every controller have their own unique way when it comes to smokes, now they have stripped it away from omen and he is the only one who doesn’t have a uniqueness in his smokes anymore like it’s just a typical normal smoke plus the smoke doesn’t last long just like cloves smoke.
Omens smoke is hard to use already, to become a good omen smoker you need to be ready and know where to smoke in the split second before the enemy hits knowing one ways in the spot just makes it a large skill that you can learn like just adds up to your skill when it comes to omen but as we know one ways can be easy countered…, and omens smoke needs to travel and it’s not like clove, brim, where you can put smokes instantly
This nerf doesn’t affect him it just hurts his own uniqueness from his smokes compared to other controllers 😢
imo since i have to look exactly where i want to smoke and cant sit in a corner and hold my angle while smoking why cant i smoke on purple boxes in altered reality is bs
Flex serious question, does this affect your legacy?
In my opinion, I always thought omen was the most balanced agent in Valorant. His repositioning is good his 50/50 tp plays, his team plays are good. So knowing he's an agent that could be nerfed makes me worried that riot will make the agent unbalanced.
Exactly. Like why is Brim’s smokes not hollow then? No one questions that. Why can brim and clove smoke 3 choke points at the same time? Why can Astra fake smoke? Omen doesn’t have those. I think developers should consult radiants and other pro players before making changes. They themselves might be plat diamond or even silver who can’t counter Omen one ways. Like what’s wrong with them?
I generally thought that the omen was balanced normally. I would say this agent was perfect for everyone - both beginners and pro players. was..
yeah, omen nerfs got me too, but i enjoyed your video man, thx❤
5:26 Surprised anyone can say that without breaking into hysterical laughter 😂 Riot’s balancing, in all their games, has always been questionable at best and at worst, completely unnecessary.
this is how i felt when they functionally removed double shocks from the game. like I get it was a little silly, but now it feels like there are way less cool line ups and ideas. its just more and more the same stuff
The omen nerfs feels a bit unnecessary since it limits areas you can deny(like sage boost mid sunset,etc.). Plus unlike other controllers omen set smokes 1 at a time and takes time to travel and bloom. While others like clove or brim just places it down... I agree why not just buff other smokes to do one ways too 😂
omen should be able to do those smokes because his smokes are easier to mess up and is slower to execute
Strongest omen player ngl ngl
I played omen because he looks someone I can be creative with
Well not anymore
The worst part about the nerf is that because they essentially didn’t change anything about his smokes for the vast majority of players, it will probably never get changed back. Balancing the game around the top .01% of cases is the stupidest way to go about balance.
u literally answered ur own question, a low to average elo person prolly doesnt even know what an one way is, so this change doesnt affect them at all
but in pro play where omen was literally the most picked agent , this will balance him out. so this is a genius way to go about a nerf
@ no one uses the obscure one ways in pro games so that means nothing to them. He’s picked for the flash, and highly refreshable smokes with good range. They’re gonna see nothing change with him and then nerf him again because he’s the same in pro games and that’s how they balance the game which is a terrible way to go about it.
They just trying to get people to play more clove for no reason at all
Bro the title reminded of my report.
That research proposal type title
Rough times man, rough times....
That Skye tho in that first game. I like that guy, he has a battlecry
This omen nerf thought me that there were so many unique smoke placements I could have done to win so many of my games :(
As for the one way issue talk to a dev about it, the worst thing they can say is no
Crosshair code? pls
crosshair pls
This should nerf omen by the rest of his stuff. If a smoker cannot smoke properly, it’s not a real smoker. Just by having only 1 tp and less stronger flash would be a decent nerf
The fact I've been getting into omen too
omen standing (existing)
riot: nerf
And what about Neon? Her 100% accuracy isn’t nerfed. So is riot going for a game completely based on RNG? Then I must say they’re calling in their own demise
Couldnt agree more. Riot just being lazy.
I agree that only good omen players used omen to his full potential
i only played omen for his blind and 1 ways
ascent haven split all had good spots for 1 ways
RIP 1 ways
clove players are ruining controller rep , thats for another day discussion
Omen is the only one that can smoke in first person FOV, now he is just a normal smoker without ability to smoke anywhere he wants :'(
I think this comment section is really stuck on the sement of nostalgia of the character rather than balance and the overall question of was it healthy?
Unless you wanted omen to be hard nerfed in other ways? This change was main reason he was incredibly dominant of a smoke on almost every map because of how overpowered his smokes were. Also they have zero intention of giving omen any buff unless his winrate dramatically drop.
Also no this is not a omen exclusive thing either viper actually can do the same exact thing for the price of the fact she cannot grab her orb. The initial gimmick of Omen was the fact it's free placement and recharge. Clove is the innovation on that for being able to smoke after death at the cost of her having the lost uptime on her ult and limited range.
You guys are simply not worried about his balance some of his one ways if you did not want to pour utility into the smoke? You have to burn utility or you die if you wait till it drops he could cycle that same smoke up to 2 more times, omen is thee perfect smoke taking away his sentinel esc powers was the most healthy riot could have done. If they took away his flash being decent a lot of TP plays would just die.
Btw, the nerfed Omen and Neon still is Neon... Thats so crazy to me e.e
imo, the deserved nerf, not exactly the right one, but 80% pickrate in pro is saying something at least. It is a different situation with omen than with any other character that had such a high pickrate, omen is not broken, it is just slightly better than other smokes. Omen's don't drop crazy amount of kills, they don't duel mindlessly. All in all, i can see WHY nerf omen, but there was no actual NEED to, i was sure something would happen eventually, and im glad its not THAT bad.
Omen nerf was unnecessary. one way is why his smoke unique than other ball shape smoke, if they say one way is why Omen is strong in high rank, then how Riot explian Omen tp and falsh, tp & flash combo is real reason that Omen is strong, because you can use your imagination to do some unexpected play to get kill
The simplification of omen was so strange. I don’t think omen is a problem at all and this nerf doesn’t really make sense. Like it just took away his options instead of adjusting his strengths. Feels like a lame change just for the sake of making him easier.
but it was a problem? he was the most picked agent in VCT he offered waaayy more than his fellow smokes so it is 100% deserved
@ omen is and interesting character to play with and against. He offers both sides new and unique options to engagements. The other smokers often lack in that are. Most of their strategies are to one note/uninteresting. To me that sounds like the other smokers are at fault.
Even then, if we still wanted to knock omen down a peg. Why would removing his creativity and lowering not only his skill ceiling but the way to express him, be the optimal option to go with. If omen is to strong I could think of other nerfs or indirect nerfs that could be made.
In my opinion this game should focus on letting people express their play styles, but keeping the oppressive ones in check.
Well great. Astra will be viable again. So many omens in one team regardless of their uniqueness
Not even PRX Raze Reyna or Loud 7 flashes comps helped
But I agree, their wording is bad. It should've been "where astra, brim, and clove can smokes"
every smokes agent has smth diff and now omen is just the same in terms of smoke ability like ok then
You said everything I said to my friends ✌️ I don’t play omen for the one ways.
100% agree. This nerf was totally unnecessary.
i feel sad when reading the latest patch. the one way smoke T_T
honestly, before the nerf all those one ways showed creativeness of omen players, sadge =(
look how they massacred my boy
Can I have the crosshair code?
52 and there you go you just explained why this agent got nerfed,omen has the strongest ability in the game so having that and a smoke that one ways almost any spot then yes the nerf is deserved
defo unjustified
This omen nerf was a stray bullet that should have never happened. You pick omen to have versatility as a whole and those one ways were making him a better smokes agent than clove and better than brim. Riot seriously need to get their priorities in check. They make so many shitty metas because they dont think before they act. If theres any game developers here who are making a game, NEVER DOUBLE BUFF OR DOUBLE NERF, only change one thing at a time. Thats how you have the Iso and neon problems that have happened recently, then they double nerfed iso and made him fogshit again. Riot sucks ass at finding middle grounds.
I'm confused.. he's perfectly balanced the way i personally see it, why nerf him?
As a omen main player this is sad 🥲, but this wont stop locking omen😮💨👯♀
Ive never been so genuinely angry about a nerf to an agent. All this did was take even more creativity away from an agent who thrived off of how uniquely you could use your kit. I'm still gonna one trick omen, but this was a dark day for omen mains.
I do not like the nerf, I've been playing Omen since 2021 and this nerf honestly has made me play Valo a lot less. Simply because he was unique to me and changing him to be a basic bitch has made Valo less fun. Omen gave me a kind of creativity I never thought I'd find in Valo and then..this. Thanks Riot, you do not know what you're doing.
Yeah unnecessary. It takes time to throw these one ways and made him unique. Plus it’s a two way smoke, it just exposes who’s pushing
unfortunately his uniqueness came at a cost of being unbalanced in pro-play. so its 100% deserved