Alright, so I see many people commenting facts about Howard's life, but many are actually false or rumors, so here are some that you can easily verify: 1- Despite being from aristocratic descent, her family was pretty poor, her father being one of 21 children and herself being 10th out of 11 kids. Her parents, especially father, often found themselves begging for money. 2- She was Anne Boleyn's first cousin (her father and Boleyn's mother being siblings), BUT she also was Jane Seymour's distant cousin (their grandmothers were sisters). Which means that out of 6 wives, three were blood related. He really had a thing for this family. 3- We don't actually know how old she was when she died. Her exact date of birth being unknown (sometime in 1523), she was either 18 (most probable since she died at the beginning of 1542, in February) or 19. 4- This is also the reason why we don't know whether she married Henry at 16 or 17; however, we do know how old he was: 49. All we know is that she got beheaded one year and 8 months after their marriage (or, 3 months after her title of Queen got taken away). 5- Her mother died in 1528, and soonly after, Katherine H. was send to live with her father's stepmother, the Dowager Duchess (of Norfolk). Sadly, the Duchess was negligeant and wouldn't really educate any of her wards (kids of artistocratic but poor relatives), especially not the girls. 6- Because of that, Howare was influenced by the other female wards who would allow men into sleeping areas at night, to play cards obviously. 7- As she was clearly more interested in dance & music than studies (she wasn't really ever described as a scholar), she started music lessons with two teachers, one of them being Henry Mannox, who took advantage of her by using the 6th fact, making her think that was normal (which it technically was back then, but not for non-married young girls.) 8- We do NOT actually know Mannox's age either. We suspect he was in his early to mid-twenties (around 23), but he might have been up to 36 years old. 9- He abused her for around 2 years; however, they both admitted, at court, that while they did have sexual contact, they didn't have penetrative sex. Which is STILL extremely gross, considering she was 13 and groomed. 10- After that, Dereham and her entamed a "relationship" when she was 15. He was either 29 or 32 (some think he was 25 but it's pretty unlikely + still wrong & morally reprehensible). According to records, they would call each other "husband" and "wife", and admitted to having signed a precontract marriage. If the Duchess hadn't found out about their "relationship", they would've echanged vows and would've been married in the eyes of Church. 11- She met Henry when she became a lady-in-waiting for Anna of Cleves, via her uncle the Duke of Norfolk who got her her place at the court. 12- The Howard family really wanted her to marry Henry, as a way to recreate the influence from Boleyn's reign (reminder, Boleyn's mother was a Howard herself). 13- Henry actually nicknamed her "his very jewel of womanhood"; the "rose without a thorn" is likely a myth. 14- "No other wish but his [Henry's]", that's what her motto became. 15- She was also Thomas Culpeper's distant cousin. 16- When she got arrested for infidelity, the King ordered to the guards to remove any object that might help her commit suicide. 17- As she had sex with Dereham (oh, he's back), the man got hanged as she got beheaded. Both his and Thomas' heads were placed on spikes atop London Bridge. 18- Defending herself, she denied any precontract and standed by her version: Dereham had raped her. While this IS what happened, as a 15yo can't consent to a ~30yo, them calling each other spouses got her unbelieve (despite the grooming & all, again, this happened over 4 centuries ago). 19- She did repeat laying her head under the block for hours and hours, the night during her execution. 20- Howard made a speech before getting beheaded, saying that her punishment was "worthy and just", asking for her family's mercy (as everyone but the Duke of Norfolk got arrested) and praying for her soul. She also said that she "deserved to die a thousand deaths for betraying the king, who had always treated [her] so graciously". 21- According to the popular folklore, her last words were "I die a Queen, but I would rather have died the wife of Culpeper". However, no witness reported this, instead talking about her speech of regret. Last words of a Queen being pretty much important AND getting reported to the King, it's extremely unlikely that she ever said that. 21- We do NOT know whether Culpeper raped her or not. Historians do suspect it, the writing of the letter found in his room being erratic and looking forced, but outside of this, we don't know. While K. Howard was saying Dereham raped her, she always admitted having an intercourse with Thomas. Jane Boleyn (Anne B's sister-in-law, her brother's widow) also witnessed & even organized some of their meetings, which is the reason why she died, joining her husband, sister-in-law and cousin-in-law. 22- And to finish: even in the case were Thomas didn't rape her, he used her to gain political power. The King was sick (hence why he died not so long after beheading Howard), and having been friend with him while having a relationship with the Queen would've gotten him a lot of power after Henry's death. He never loved her. Wasn't her lover, and wasn't her friend either. [I'm done and it took me an hour to research and write so pls be nice if I made any typo
Her story is the saddest because she didn't even get to grow up, she was beheaded at 19 and she was so scared she couldn't make it up to the chopping block on her own.
It wasn't even confirmed she died at the age of 19 (as no one knows her actual birth date), she was so young. She was even reported to be practising how to lay her head on the block for the beheading. God, she deserves better
@@teshagoodwin1960 She was more exploited then abused. Clearly the first guy was a pedophile so anything he did with her sexually is automatically sexual abuse. It appears Francis verbally abused her and forced her to do stuff she didn't want to. In the song she says "My wrist were so tired still I came back the next day as he required". The last one well some historians say he raped her but I domt believe that. Could be abuse in the sense that it seemed he was forcing her into a relationship she didn't want.
In the song you can hear how everytime she sings, "We have this connection" she slowly starts to sing it with less sincerity and more bitterness. Really sad but gives me so many chills
Katherine’s story is so sad. She was so mentally unstable. She clearly suffered Stockholm syndrome, so traumatized by the sexual abuse at a young age that her mind convinced her that she was in love with the 36 yr old man that molested her. It all started from there, making her find toxic man to fall for.
@Dark spirit44 Stockholm syndrome is a condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity. Emotional bonds may be formed, between captor and captives, during intimate time together, but these are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.
Klara Rosengren not really and you’re right but it keeps a similar basis. She was a victim and her tutor was a predator but the abuse made her believe it was out of love. Somehow it matches. She was young, barely a preteen, so her mind was fresh to profane.
Biased on the way this song is presenting her she sounds like she may have BPD. She starts off loving them then ends up hating them... A lot of those with it suffered sexual abuse..
How you draw the 4th guy just makes me want to trust him. And I know how the song goes, so mad props to you. This was edited I made this post really late at night so yeah had to fix a mistake. But thanks for everyone who commented.
@@albusdumbledore578 i get the blowing the flute but "plucking the strings to G" "minor to major" "C to D" Sorry if it's annoying to ask but my curiosity always gets the best of me
I just realized, when she's talking about Culpeper, she says, "Just mates, no chemistry." That line is so sad to me because she felt like she finally found a friend who cared about her and didn't have some alternative motive but in the end, he was just as bad as every the other men that abused her. The men in her life only liked her because she was young and could be taken advantage of. Even Dereham who was supposed to be her true love before she married Henry was just using her and mostly loved her for sex.
@@stevenwood2436 Not exactly treason. Her cousin who had worked in the castle had raped her and told Henry that he and her had an affair so Henry was blindly believed the cousin and was like "alright lady you gonna die now"
When she says “Just.. so sincere.” Sounds like she’s so much in pain after all she went through. I feel so bad for her, she really had the worst life out of the SIX wives But you really could hear the pain through that lone
Idk Anne Boleyn was actually beheaded because people falsely accused her of having an affair with her brother And his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, was forced to marry a disabled man who died before they could even consummate their marriage then was just past down to the younger sibling. Who when she grew to love after a 24 year long marriage. (Even though he repetitively cheated on her and banned her from his chambers after her failure to give him a son) This husband fathers a bastard. Then literally splits from the church that his family has been with for generation just to divorce her. She also lived throughout the entire 5 more wives so she had to actively watch from afar as a man she loved and the father of her children did all this.
Nitemar Walker But K also got beheaded by being raped by her cousin (Thomas) (I think?) She was so innocent, and had a giggly personality. She got abused, raped, and used by her body. Her parents died when she was young, and she died at 19. The day before the execution, she spent hours trying to learn how to place her head on the block.
@@nitemarwalker4186 Catherine of Argon died in 1536. The same year is Anne Boleyn, but I think we can all agree each of them had a rough time in their own ways.... However is terms of the competition.. Katherine Howard had it the worst
@@vienaubrey1313 The man: Do this sexual action against your will because I can make ur life h*ll (very common unfortuantly) K. Howard: N- (No) The Man: I dont care your a woman its rape, it is very unfortunate always ask before you "birds and the bees" someone.
I really like how you actually drew the age differences between the versions of Katherine and the other men, it really shows how young she really was with the first man who took advantage of her. Amazing job!
Miles River the musical is based off of the lives of the six wives of Henry the eighth. These things all actually happened to Katherine Howard (the fifth wife)
Miles River the musical is based off of the lives of the six wives of Henry the eighth. These things all actually happened to Katherine Howard (the fifth wife)
The more you listen you realize she talks like a child. *Birds and the bees me* *Play Times Over* And a couple more.. Its quite sad when you realize it.
I love how you made most of the animatic pink, because Katherine viewed everything through rose-coloured glasses. And then the black and white is Katherine reflecting on her decisions and memories.
Most of the animatic is pink because that's her color in the musical, like Anne Boleyn is green, Anne of Cleves is red, C/Katherine is pink, Catherine of Aragon is yellow, you get the point. But the rose coloured glasses is interesting, it could fit, but I don't think that's what the artist intended
Bro the way she says "enoughsies" shows how young she really was Fun fact: Katherine Howard was only 17 when she was forced into marriage with King Henry the 8th who was 49 at the time. Literally all of England was creeped out by their marriage but no one could say anything because he was the King.
@@ohlookadandehlion5760 there are many things showing that she was so young and she never really knew what a real relationship was. So yea she was forced into it cause no one rejected the king
@@ohlookadandehlion5760 Although nobody’s sure about Katherine’s EXACT age, we know she was around 18-19 during her execution, really sad :(. most people were obviously creeped out by the age gap, but couldn’t say anything since Henry had complete control over anyone like the tyrannical king he was, although some people believed it was normal as this was a common/basic thing to occur in history.
some facts about katherine howard: - she died when she was only 18 or 19 (her exact birthdate is unkown) - henry mannox was actually 36, not 23 - she was anne boleyn's cousin - she loved animals, especially dogs - she loved dancing and got lessons for it - she had a good sense of humor and was described as being 'giggly' - it's unknown whether her name is spelled with a C or K since it was written differently on many occasions, but evidence suggests it was probably with a C (but tbh just write it how you want) - the 'thomas' guy at the end was her cousin - her mom died when she was around 5 and her dad died when she was around 15 - the night before her execution, she reportedly spent hours practising how to lay her head on the block - she was buried in an unmarked grave she won the competition for sure
The fact that we don't even know for sure how old she was is fucking tragic. I have a lot of sympathy for Catherine Howard; she was given a really rough hand in life.
Yeah. She was only 19 when she was beheaded... So all these older guys took advantage of a young girl who had a serious lack of good parental guidance. Then she was killed because of it.
The most heartbreaking part is that Henry called her his “rose without a thorn”. Francis came to her at court and blackmailed her into letting him work at court, along with a woman she lived with at the Dowager Duchess’s house who knew everything that happened with Francis. She was surrounded by people using her, her uncle consistently told her how stupid she was and what she needed to do. Henry also tended to listen to her opinions. She also had a fur coat sewed for an old lady in the tower because it was winter. She was such a young child and truly sweet in temperament, and was just constantly pushed around by the men in her life.
Katherine was really sweet but the people abusing her are empty, no soul. She didn't deserve what happened to her. She definitely had it the worst as she was 17-19 when she died and her death was very painful, unlike Anne boleyns death.
It’s so unfair that Catherine has been written off as a promiscuous vixen and a foolish idiot. She was so much more than that - well-mannered, generous and kind. I believe that she was innocent, even if historians can’t agree if Catherine was abused or not. There’s little proof that she and Culpeper had sex and, by her own confession, evidence that there was coercion involved in her relationships. But, even if she really was guilty of adultery and willingly slept with Dereham before she married the king, it’s still not fair to call her a harlot. She was just a teenager who didn’t understand. And to die at so young an age, no older than 21 at the very most. The musical may omit some important details of Catherine’s life, but at least finally some poetic justice is being done for her. However, I’d just like to add here that Henry VIII probably never called Catherine his ‘rose without a thorn’. Historian Claire Ridgway, over at The Anne Boleyn Files, has written an article in which she debunks this myth. The phrase actually originates from a coin struck in 1526, which bore the words ‘Henry VIII, the dazzling rose without a thorn’. I highly recommend you give it a read, it’s a very interesting piece: www.theanneboleynfiles.com/katherine-howard-really-henry-viiis-rose-without-thorn/
@@Icarus5252 Catherine Howard may not have had a professional swordsman to kill her, but by all accounts she was beheaded in a single blow of the axe. Thankfully, it’s unlikely that she felt much pain. ‘the masked executioner then took Catherine's head off with one blow’ www.theanneboleynfiles.com/the-executions-of-catherine-howard-jane-boleyn-francis-dereham-and-thomas-culpeper/4357/ ‘Mercifully, the headsman removed her [Catherine’s] head with a single stroke of the axe’ (Josephine Wilkinson, ‘Katherine Howard: The Tragic Story of Henry VIII's Fifth Queen’) ‘The queen’s head was removed with a single stroke’ (Conor Byrne, ‘Katherine Howard: Henry VIII’s Slandered Queen’)
@@somebody3487 Really thanks for the info, very interesting!!! Also, you don't make videos, but I subscribe to you: I really like the way you write and how you research things before to talk, at the contrary of many people today. Keep up the historical side of youtube.
Fun reminder that she died when she was 19. So pretty much all of her relationships started when she was a minor. She married Henry when she was 16-17 and he was like 49. Her story is honestly so fucking tragic. She was just a kid. She was a child and on repeat, she was being taken advantage of by significantly older men and essentially being taught that it was fine and that was her place. It's honestly- really fuckin tragic.
It's even possible that she was as young as 17 when she was executed - we really don't know her exact age. But it's entirely possible that she never even made it to adulthood. & that's the saddest part for me: she was just a kid.
“Just mates, no chemistry, I get him, he gets me, theres nothing more to it, he just cares so much, he’s devoted, he says we have a connection.” She’s talking about she wanted no romantic relationship with Thomas, she just wanted a friend, she’s trying to convince herself that he didn’t want her like that by saying “he just cares so much, he’s devoted.” She meant hes devoted to being a FRIEND, she was trying to convince herself that everything he did was normal and that he didn’t view in her that way until he said “we have a connection” and thats when she knew he did view her in that way just like every other guy. She just wanted a friend.
Yeah its really sad she also died at like 19 or 20 its REALLY sad because pepole still dont believe this kind of stuff happens those people are STUPID AND SHOULD DIE FOR BELIEVING THAT!!!!! Im pretty sure that all of those guys did rape her
@@romana9283 And it gets so much worse. Not only was she too afraid to even walk up to the chopping block but Henry got her an executioner that wasn't very good at the job. The axe missed her neck twice and hit her in the back and shoulder so she suffered until the final third blow. :(
@Chloe Benson we know what it means, using the term “birds and the bees” is a more child-friendly way of describing it and it’s how a lot of kids were taught in the beginning
It’s both- in the beginning it’s enoughsie (childish language) but at the end it’s enough, see. To represent the fact that she has been forced to grow up too fast by all the trauma. At least that’s what I think
I mean... the other three were a paedophile, an abuser with statutory power over her, and someone who tries to force her into a relationship when she just wanted a friend
I saw this but I wasn’t sure if I should point it out. The other guys are nicely drawn (meaning they are hawt lmao) then Henry’s just there like T \_/ T
I think she didn't want a lover, just to be loved, and she never knew that, in true,what they felt for her wasn't love ( and I'm holding on not to complete this sentence with "it was a perfect illusion")... I think she gave herself for those men because that was the closest thing to "love" she knew, because they all said that they loved her but they only wanted to have sex with her...
I feel really bad for liking and singing along to the song. Katherine deserved better and she was so young when she died. The worst thing is watching it live because the actress breakdown on stage apparently and thats when I'm probally going to cry when I go and see the musical after the pandemic.
Me: * almost crying * *Looks like Henry T posing at the table* Me: * laughing while crying and feel sorry for Katherine * *Sorry for the misspelling.* I swear to god in hungarian I know all of their names right. "^^ In my language we have all of them hungarian names. Except for Jane.
@@laluna8900 Actually! Fun fact! Historically, no one really knows whether her name was supposed to be spelled with a "C" or a "K", and it constantly changes in documents. So, technically, you could use either one and get away with it. 😂😁 kinda cool, really. But, for musical purposes, yes, it is a K 😂
Ikr look at what Google says when you search her Katherine Howard was Queen of England from 1540 to 1541 due to her marriage to King Henry VIII. She was his fifth wife and was succeeded by Catherine Parr. SHE WAS QUEEN FOR 1 YEAR-
It's nice to see someone make a animatic that shows just how messed up this song actually is Don't get me wrong i do enjoy the other Six animatics but this one takes the cake when it comes to this song specifically The men around Katherine especially near the beginning all actually looks older then her And it shows just how messed up Kaths life was over the years And don't even get me started on the glass shards that shown reflections of Kath being arrested and then about to be beheaded
@@petraivic6522 like "Major to minor" "C to D" "Plucked my strings" "Pull my hair and tell me I'm the fairest of the fair" "We spent hours strumming the lute,striking the cords and blowing the flute" (To name a few)
That is actually a bit funny because they were both beheaded but they had really sad stories. Like she was used and raped and then beheaded. And her cousin had to spent time with his other wife and was beheaded before the eyes of her daughter-
Fun fact: it says that Katherine was crying and praying for the forgiveness for her soul at her final moments. This poor child didn’t deserve anything that happen to her 😞 (Actually pretty sad fact but people don’t get sarcasm [Edit])
Yes she had to be helped to climb the scaffold and assisted to kneel, as her legs were buckling beneath her with fright. Poor girl, she had actually planned to die bravely and gracefully but when it came to it, her nerves gave way.
Not so fun facts: Katherine Howard's music teacher, Henry Mannox WAS ACTUALLY 36, not 23 King Henry the 8th WAS 49 YEARS OLD when he married Katherine who WAS 17 Katherine Howard and Thomas Culpepper are cousins
Anyone notice that both Anne and Katherine are the traumatized ones? Like everyone is that welp that sucked. But Anne and Katherine breakdown and cry while going to their death? My heart...
that's... the... point? I don't quite understand what you mean. If it was any other two u still would have made this comment but just changed the names, right?
@@heartrender6 I see. Well, at least it was special enough for you to reply. I was just stating how it's sad that Anne and Katherine were scared and was treated terribly. How they breakdown and can't hide their insecurities anymore.
I love the fact that at first she was like "Please me squeeze me" and when she got with Henry it was "sieze me squeeze me" it always makes me emotional.
Okay, I am missing a big point here but...male characters looking charming in this animatic... and holy shit it makes them ever more dangerous as predators because they don't look malicious or threatening at first glance.
The fact she just wanted someone to be with friends with and every time they say they love her she loses trust in them, the poor girl couldn’t get one all her life..
"he even let me use his favorite quill" wait "Spilled ink all over the parchment" WAIT "My wrist was so tired" *STOP* Edit: Why did y'all like this I thought it was obvious
Catherines by far the one had the most trauma in my opinion you can tell her, about how she uses childish words like birds and the bees and she was just a teenager at the time what I'm trying to say she deserves better
Angella Rodriguez also when she was going to be executed she needed help to get to the block because her knees starting buckling cause she was so scared. She was so young and didn’t deserve the trauma she got
idk why but my favorite part has always been "and ever since I was a child I'd make the boys go wild" and the little giggle after, she started the song so confident and pure
@@zuzanakojecka8272 Except..... The forced marriage part. She had a pretty creepy husband, who had murdered his past wives. That wasnt in the musical though, also I think Jane had the most 'decent' life. None of them were all that great, sadly.
This is so sad! She uses such childish terms like ‘birds and bees’ and ‘enoughsie’ so she’s obviously had her childhood robbed off her. Playtimes over is sorta like inferring what I’ve just said about her childhood being cut short. This is also the same case in the first part about her being 13 going on 30. She goes on about her thinking it’s different so that means that she only wants a friend, and she doesn’t want any men making moves on her. TL;DR : She had a few years of childhood, then got deceived until she was killed basically :(
The Milkman Goose well i thought it was too, but someone said it said enoughsie aha. either way, you can tell how desperate she is to get herself heard x
Also the fact that even in the first verse when shes only 13 shes saying 'I think this time is different' like it's happened even before that time Eughhh
When King Henry and Cathrine Howard were first married, she was too young to take part in court proceedings. She was 16 or 17 years old. A 46 year old man, married a 16 year old. How screwed up is that?
Or any 18 year old cause I don’t know how it works in London but in the us you get out of heigh school at 18 so the actdress wouldn’t miss or fall behind in school
K Howard’s life in a nutshell: Katherine got used by several men as child, then when she was around 15, her uncle made her a lady in waiting to Anne of Cleves and put her in King Henry VIII’s view, Henry liked her and married her while Katherine was only 15 or 16, Her cousin, Thomas was working in the palace, and helped Katherine through tough times with Henry, then Thomas told her that he loved her (in ways that someone should not love their cousin) Katherine rejected him, Thomas told King Henry that he and Katherine had an affair, and he sent her to the tower, the night before Katherine lost her head, she spent many hours practicing how to put her head on the block, and on February 13th, 1542, Katherine Howard was beheaded, when she was only 18 or 19
Wait but I thought Thomas manipulated her so she believed he truly loved her and she slept with him because she wanted it too? At least that's how we learned it.
nevie area, same sex relationships have been a thing forever, it’s not something that just happened in the 2000s. More people are just not hiding it anymore. She could’ve dated a girl and kept it a secret
nevie area, I know this, I’m just saying when she said that it *sounded* like she was going for a girl, I know she actually wasn’t. Calm down sir/ma’am
I really like your usage of color here !!!! it really adds to the intensity when things go black and white. I also loved the detail that all of K's abusers/"lovers" had blank eyes.
Another thing about Katherine, she was actually forced into her marriage with Henry. She was 18 and engaged to someone else, but the King took a liking to her and you really couldn’t say no to him. So she might have been a bit promiscuous, but can you blame her? She was in a loveless marriage, she wasn’t happy. Poor girl.
Actually she was forced into Henry 's sight by her family bc they wanted power plus the final wife was also going or already married to someone else but when Henry liked her she couldn't say no plus she was 16-17 when she married henry cathrine was either 18-19 when she died bc no one knows her birthday but most people think she was 19
@@nobodyimportant9603 There is no conclusive evidence that Howard was raped during her marriage - it is just a plausible theory. Not only do the confessions of Catherine and her alleged lover Thomas Culpeper strongly suggest that they never had sex (she stated the night before her execution that she was ‘guiltless’ of ‘defiling’ the king’s bed), but it is impossible for to us to know exactly whether or not Catherine consented to her relationship with him due to how fragmentary the details are. Historians Lucy Worsley and Retha Warnicke have pointed towards some of the more platonic language in the alleged love letter written by Catherine to Culpeper, suggesting that perhaps they were just close friends or that Catherine wrote it an attempt to appease him. Worsley and Conor Byrne have also expanded upon the theory that Culpeper (and Dereham) blackmailed Catherine; there is evidence that Dereham openly spoke about his relationship with Catherine. Culpeper could have easily caught wind of this, and with knowledge of her past, used it to coerce or persuade Catherine into seeing him. However, most historians still believe that Catherine and Thomas had a genuine, romantic relationship - or, at the very least, that there was no rape involved. It is not a stretch to say that there may have been some mutual feelings between the two (either platonic or intimate), since we know that the two met up in private and exchanged gifts. Whilst the love letter has been interpreted as evidence of the use of blackmail and coercion, it can just as easily be taken the other way. And yes, there is a report from the time describing charges of rape and murder against Culpeper (which, if genuine, would allow us to make an almost sure conclusion about the nature of his relationship with Catherine), but it has been dismissed by a handful of experts as unreliable. I am not saying that Catherine was promiscuous or that she was guilty of adultery - I am of the opinion that she was pressured into her relationships and was more than likely assaulted by Mannox and Dereham. She was only a child; it was not her fault and she didn’t deserve to die. However, it is simply not accurate to suggest Howard was beheaded for being raped - not only was she, legally speaking, condemned to death for not disclosing her sexual history before meeting the king, but accusations of rape were not wholly disregarded in the 16th century. Whilst ideas about femininity and masculinity were certainly different in the Tudor era, many cases of sexual assault were treated seriously - hence why we have numerous documentations of abuse from the period. The issue is not as black and white as the musical (or the comments section) make out. There is an absence of strong evidence for both sides of the argument - it is as likely that Culpeper did pressure Catherine into seeing him as it is that there were close romantic feelings between them. It is all just speculation. Apologies if I come off as condescending and pedantic; I don’t mean to lecture you.
Have you noticed that with Francis she sounded a lot more sure when she said “and I know this is it” and “we have a REAL connection”? I think this alludes to the rumour that she truly loved Francis
I'm gonna cry even more because I just thought of something. Do you know what I realized? I realized is that all of the guys had NO EYES. They had eye sockets but their eyes didn't exist. It was like they were empty. You know how a person's eyes is like a window to their soul? These men had no souls. Let that sink in. They were terrible and abusive. They were empty of anything that is even close to being called a soul. And all she had wanted was a *friend.*
I actually like the small attention to history at 6:32 where the artist depicted Katherine resting her head on a headrest. Apparently it was believed that while she was in jail she has specifically requested a block to practice laying on for her execution. There’s so many details and tragedies in Katherine’s life that the musical kinda skims over, which is understandable, but this poor girl went through so much in those 19 years of her life.
lil.i558 That's true. I'm really glad that this musical cleared it out for us. This musical may not be that really accurate, but at least we get to learn a more detailed life story of her.
Queen Aqua Green Yeah I know. I just said it wasn't really that accurate because like you said the men were two times older than her. And other little things like Jane Seymour said "I'm the only one he truly love" which is quite falls, she only bear a son for him, but that doesn't really mean he loved her. But over the musical was accurate, there's just a little falls in it😊
Fun fact: One of Elizabeth I's childhood friends, Robert Dudley, supposedly claimed that she first told him she never wanted to get married when she was about eight or nine years old. Guess how old she was when Katherine lost her head? (On Valentines Day as well, just in case Henry wasn't being dramatic enough already.) This was a fucking traumatic event for all involved, and is probably a big part of the reason why we ended up with the Virgin Queen Elizabeth.
I saw this and decided to research it, the year Katherine died was the year Elizabeth turned 9, Katherine dying months before Elizabeth's 9th birthday, meaning when her step mother died, she was 8. So she was about 9-10 years younger then Katherine.
I don't blame Elizabeth for becoming the virgin queen like she did. If I witnessed my dad going through women like water like that, I'd be traumatized too.
She was smart, the others weren't stupid, she reilized what could've happened to her so she avoided getting married and avoided men as much as possible
Her being a virgin queen also meant she retained power. If she had married she would have lost her power to the king, her own husband. Her father killed her mother but it was noted through letters that she loved her father anyway. She was a well educated woman, who knew as soon as she married and had a child she would no longer be in a position of power but an object of succession
This really captures how young she was when it all started, like 13 year old Katherine looks like a child because she _was_ and he absolutely took advantage of her. And the visuals are generally gorgeous and give the same vibes as the choreography in the show.
While Katherine was in the Tower, she asked for the execution block to be brought to her room so she could practice resting her head on it before her execution. I love how this little detail was added in one of the glass shards at the end!
God like at the start of the song she's trying to minimise the damage done by these guys by acting all flirty and coy about it (thirteen going on thirty! Um no honey you were a babychild) but when Thomas betrays her trust it's just the last straw and it all just boils over. It's so sad. And that's before her head comes off!
What makes it worse was that she only wanted to be friends with Thomas, as said in the line 'Just mates, no chemistry', I think I heard that Katherine had been forced to write a love letter to Thomas or something like that.
We are not sure at all, but historians found that the love letter she wrote to him she wrote it strangely more stressed than other letters she had written and also his cousin also had raped many other girls even knowing that Henry still let him in, so she was probably forced and raped..
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Alright, so I see many people commenting facts about Howard's life, but many are actually false or rumors, so here are some that you can easily verify:
1- Despite being from aristocratic descent, her family was pretty poor, her father being one of 21 children and herself being 10th out of 11 kids. Her parents, especially father, often found themselves begging for money.
2- She was Anne Boleyn's first cousin (her father and Boleyn's mother being siblings), BUT she also was Jane Seymour's distant cousin (their grandmothers were sisters). Which means that out of 6 wives, three were blood related. He really had a thing for this family.
3- We don't actually know how old she was when she died. Her exact date of birth being unknown (sometime in 1523), she was either 18 (most probable since she died at the beginning of 1542, in February) or 19.
4- This is also the reason why we don't know whether she married Henry at 16 or 17; however, we do know how old he was: 49. All we know is that she got beheaded one year and 8 months after their marriage (or, 3 months after her title of Queen got taken away).
5- Her mother died in 1528, and soonly after, Katherine H. was send to live with her father's stepmother, the Dowager Duchess (of Norfolk). Sadly, the Duchess was negligeant and wouldn't really educate any of her wards (kids of artistocratic but poor relatives), especially not the girls.
6- Because of that, Howare was influenced by the other female wards who would allow men into sleeping areas at night, to play cards obviously.
7- As she was clearly more interested in dance & music than studies (she wasn't really ever described as a scholar), she started music lessons with two teachers, one of them being Henry Mannox, who took advantage of her by using the 6th fact, making her think that was normal (which it technically was back then, but not for non-married young girls.)
8- We do NOT actually know Mannox's age either. We suspect he was in his early to mid-twenties (around 23), but he might have been up to 36 years old.
9- He abused her for around 2 years; however, they both admitted, at court, that while they did have sexual contact, they didn't have penetrative sex. Which is STILL extremely gross, considering she was 13 and groomed.
10- After that, Dereham and her entamed a "relationship" when she was 15. He was either 29 or 32 (some think he was 25 but it's pretty unlikely + still wrong & morally reprehensible). According to records, they would call each other "husband" and "wife", and admitted to having signed a precontract marriage. If the Duchess hadn't found out about their "relationship", they would've echanged vows and would've been married in the eyes of Church.
11- She met Henry when she became a lady-in-waiting for Anna of Cleves, via her uncle the Duke of Norfolk who got her her place at the court.
12- The Howard family really wanted her to marry Henry, as a way to recreate the influence from Boleyn's reign (reminder, Boleyn's mother was a Howard herself).
13- Henry actually nicknamed her "his very jewel of womanhood"; the "rose without a thorn" is likely a myth.
14- "No other wish but his [Henry's]", that's what her motto became.
15- She was also Thomas Culpeper's distant cousin.
16- When she got arrested for infidelity, the King ordered to the guards to remove any object that might help her commit suicide.
17- As she had sex with Dereham (oh, he's back), the man got hanged as she got beheaded. Both his and Thomas' heads were placed on spikes atop London Bridge.
18- Defending herself, she denied any precontract and standed by her version: Dereham had raped her. While this IS what happened, as a 15yo can't consent to a ~30yo, them calling each other spouses got her unbelieve (despite the grooming & all, again, this happened over 4 centuries ago).
19- She did repeat laying her head under the block for hours and hours, the night during her execution.
20- Howard made a speech before getting beheaded, saying that her punishment was "worthy and just", asking for her family's mercy (as everyone but the Duke of Norfolk got arrested) and praying for her soul. She also said that she "deserved to die a thousand deaths for betraying the king, who had always treated [her] so graciously".
21- According to the popular folklore, her last words were "I die a Queen, but I would rather have died the wife of Culpeper". However, no witness reported this, instead talking about her speech of regret. Last words of a Queen being pretty much important AND getting reported to the King, it's extremely unlikely that she ever said that.
21- We do NOT know whether Culpeper raped her or not. Historians do suspect it, the writing of the letter found in his room being erratic and looking forced, but outside of this, we don't know. While K. Howard was saying Dereham raped her, she always admitted having an intercourse with Thomas. Jane Boleyn (Anne B's sister-in-law, her brother's widow) also witnessed & even organized some of their meetings, which is the reason why she died, joining her husband, sister-in-law and cousin-in-law.
22- And to finish: even in the case were Thomas didn't rape her, he used her to gain political power. The King was sick (hence why he died not so long after beheading Howard), and having been friend with him while having a relationship with the Queen would've gotten him a lot of power after Henry's death. He never loved her. Wasn't her lover, and wasn't her friend either.
[I'm done and it took me an hour to research and write so pls be nice if I made any typo
How does this not have thousands of likes already I loved it thank you for sharing some facts about howard
@@em1ll1lyy IKRRRR
Thank you !! That was both interesting and sad
so interesting
Thanks man
Her story is the saddest because she didn't even get to grow up, she was beheaded at 19 and she was so scared she couldn't make it up to the chopping block on her own.
It wasn't even confirmed she died at the age of 19 (as no one knows her actual birth date), she was so young. She was even reported to be practising how to lay her head on the block for the beheading. God, she deserves better
Holy shit that's awful.
It somehow gets worse.Thomas was pardoned by Henry IV before they were wed for rape and murder.
I can't blame her I would have ran away if I was going to get my head cut off
3:31 you see the eyes of a T-posing man :0
It's so sad how at the end she says
"It's never ever different"
She's lost all hope thanks to these older,abusive men.
Pumpkin Guts Thomas was actually really close to her age, but yeah
@@elliew9464 True
Pumpkin Guts may i ask one question how were they abusive ik how abusive king henry was but i don’t know about the others i hope u don’t mind 🌷
@@teshagoodwin1960 She was more exploited then abused. Clearly the first guy was a pedophile so anything he did with her sexually is automatically sexual abuse. It appears Francis verbally abused her and forced her to do stuff she didn't want to. In the song she says "My wrist were so tired still I came back the next day as he required". The last one well some historians say he raped her but I domt believe that. Could be abuse in the sense that it seemed he was forcing her into a relationship she didn't want.
@@elliew9464 Thomas is her cousin....
Personally I feel like”play times over” shows how she was forced to grow up due to trauma at such a young age
Blossom Gill I agree with you fully
No, by playtime they mean sex
@@elizachannightcore9814 So basically if it's rephrased to that meaning it's turned into "Sex is over"?
@@elizachannightcore9814 It could be interpreted in any way tbh
FadomLoverAhh no it means playtime is over so now it’s time for sex. It shows how each of them used her for sexual desires
A really depressing fact:
Before she was beheaded she LITERALLY *ran* the *ENTIRETY* of her halls *SCREAMING* her innocence.
Oh my god. Yeah, that's really depressing. She didn't deserve that at all!
Wow, that was so depressing. If i was in there i'd believe her and exchange my head for her
@@ahumanpassingby7347 Mmm, you wouldn’t.
@@jacobbau8328 to be honest neither would I, but it's really depressing
DAMN BRO ITS LIKE 1 AM IM GONNA CRY
I like to think all these ladies sit up in heaven and chat about how AWFUL their husband was.
Is this does the FBI does?
Chloe Mitchell well yeah what else do you think we do all day lol def not work
@@charleslebowski8878 Fair enough just act busy XD
Chloe Mitchell exactly
Le Ex Squad
Music teacher: "i feel a connection"
Katherine: *ok g r o o m e r.*
WHY DID I LAUGH AT THIS
I was not expecting that
This comment is pure gold
《 imsodone 》 hEEEEAAhEEEEAAAAAA
My cola sprayed out my nose while i read this, fuck you and thank you, that was so funny.
It so sad because you can see the childish language she uses and that shows how she was just a child :(
17 right? If so God that's really one sleeze of a man
Back at ya Buckaroo I think so, maybe 18 tho
@@cherrypop8292 Oh,okay thanks:)
What childish language?
Peppeii owo her referring to 😳😳😳 as ‘birds and the bees’ which shows immaturity toward as that subject. I feel so bad for her btw
Ya'll, this girl needs to be reincarnated so she can have a better life
Yeah 😭
She probably already did.
True tho
Gettin some Cinderpelt vibes over here...
No one knows what I'm talking about...
@@rueinred3153 I know what you're talking about
The way she says “so we got married” you can tell she wasn’t ready
Kake Gacha yeah and the sarcasm in her “woo!”. She’s so unprepared for it 😔
I think she was the youngest wife Henry had, just saying '-'
@@adelabarrera683 she is the youngest from what i know so far
@angie btw oh meh gawd
Kake Gacha I mean... your not really allowed to say no to the king
In the song you can hear how everytime she sings, "We have this connection" she slowly starts to sing it with less sincerity and more bitterness. Really sad but gives me so many chills
Yeah, and you can really hear when it finally clicks in "he says we have a...connection.." as she slows down, realizing whats happening
Very sad
@@jocelyn.valentino thoma is her *cousin*
another thing- if you manage to see a bootleg her dancing gets less and less sincere and more angry as the song goes on
She also sobs at the end of the song
the beheaded wives have the best songs out of Six
Pieloverpuppy 030
100%
I agree 10000%
Pieloverpuppy 030 I know don’t lose your head was great and this is better
My fav is heart of stone but these are very close seconds
Pretty accurate i mean get down has to be my favorite right now
Boys: * want to impress her *
Henry: *t-pose*
Kathrine: *sweats really hard*
Oh well
@mintyxmoonlight guess i ain't
Oh welll
such an underrated comment
oh well
fun faact: the first guy was not 23. however, he was 23 years older than her.
flossjean_ d that’s even worse
oh dang
36 to her 13...
He was 36 I think.
@@villarozie yep
It just sounds like she wants a friend
Perhaps she should get a gay friend-
Cristina Flanagan me
Aro ace headcanon
I know it's just really sad. Everyone just used her😩
Awe. I would become her friend 😊
Katherine’s story is so sad. She was so mentally unstable. She clearly suffered Stockholm syndrome, so traumatized by the sexual abuse at a young age that her mind convinced her that she was in love with the 36 yr old man that molested her. It all started from there, making her find toxic man to fall for.
@Dark spirit44 Stockholm syndrome is a condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity. Emotional bonds may be formed, between captor and captives, during intimate time together, but these are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.
But this isn't really Stockholm syndrome, now is it? She was Not kidnapped by these men, she was abused.
Klara Rosengren not really and you’re right but it keeps a similar basis. She was a victim and her tutor was a predator but the abuse made her believe it was out of love. Somehow it matches. She was young, barely a preteen, so her mind was fresh to profane.
She and Francis were actually in love
Biased on the way this song is presenting her she sounds like she may have BPD. She starts off loving them then ends up hating them... A lot of those with it suffered sexual abuse..
This song: Is emotional and talks about serious themes
Henry: **aggressively T-Poses**
Sir nighteye?
@@Chichi0013 Yes?
*AGGRESIVE T-POSES*
😂
How you draw the 4th guy just makes me want to trust him. And I know how the song goes, so mad props to you. This was edited I made this post really late at night so yeah had to fix a mistake. But thanks for everyone who commented.
Yeah, Henry T-posing is a pretty well known flirting tactic
That1Guy ah yes the best mating dance I will use this
wait do you mean thomas or henry-
He’s so adorable and kind looking, I didn’t think he’d take advantage of her
I didnt understand the 4th guy. What happens?
" *blowing* the flute"
"he plucked my strings all the way to *G* "
"went from major to *minor* "
"C to *D* "
yo we still talkin bout music?
Nope
Explain
@@emmarlenegorumba1120 when two people love each other very, very much...
@@albusdumbledore578 i get the blowing the flute but
"plucking the strings to G"
"minor to major"
"C to D"
Sorry if it's annoying to ask but my curiosity always gets the best of me
@@emmarlenegorumba1120 it's ok
I just realized, when she's talking about Culpeper, she says, "Just mates, no chemistry." That line is so sad to me because she felt like she finally found a friend who cared about her and didn't have some alternative motive but in the end, he was just as bad as every the other men that abused her. The men in her life only liked her because she was young and could be taken advantage of. Even Dereham who was supposed to be her true love before she married Henry was just using her and mostly loved her for sex.
Based on some info I read
I think dereham truely loved her actually
@@tatoechips4142 Why does This change anything? She was 13 and during the Renaissance era 13-year-old girls weren't pubescent.
@Chocolate chip Mint Why does This change anything? She was 13 and during the Renaissance era 13-year-old girls weren't pubescent.
@Grimm try searching if my "some info" for you isn't even true
Or maybe you are one of those people who couldn't read a whole paragraph about history
@Grimmin a two part video called the six wives of Henry the VIII it is mentioned that in Howard's part : ua-cam.com/video/ED20XMi7BxE/v-deo.html
a song about a woman who was raped by at least 3 men then beheaded for being raped.
She was beheaded for being accused of treason not because she was raped
@@stevenwood2436 but she was (as we think) raped, then she was caught, and henry thought she cheated, so he killed her.
@@imagirlnamedricha6387 yeah that's true
@@stevenwood2436 Not exactly treason. Her cousin who had worked in the castle had raped her and told Henry that he and her had an affair so Henry was blindly believed the cousin and was like "alright lady you gonna die now"
All in the space of around 6 years
Guy: we have a connection
Katherine H: Imma head out
Imma *Head* out?
@@ludameri1384 😔
oh 😔
@@ludameri1384 xd
lmao bc she got beheaded
When she says “Just.. so sincere.”
Sounds like she’s so much in pain after all she went through. I feel so bad for her, she really had the worst life out of the SIX wives
But you really could hear the pain through that lone
Idk Anne Boleyn was actually beheaded because people falsely accused her of having an affair with her brother
And his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, was forced to marry a disabled man who died before they could even consummate their marriage then was just past down to the younger sibling. Who when she grew to love after a 24 year long marriage. (Even though he repetitively cheated on her and banned her from his chambers after her failure to give him a son) This husband fathers a bastard. Then literally splits from the church that his family has been with for generation just to divorce her. She also lived throughout the entire 5 more wives so she had to actively watch from afar as a man she loved and the father of her children did all this.
Nitemar Walker
But K also got beheaded by being raped by her cousin (Thomas) (I think?)
She was so innocent, and had a giggly personality. She got abused, raped, and used by her body. Her parents died when she was young, and she died at 19.
The day before the execution, she spent hours trying to learn how to place her head on the block.
@@nitemarwalker4186 Catherine of Argon died in 1536. The same year is Anne Boleyn, but I think we can all agree each of them had a rough time in their own ways....
However is terms of the competition.. Katherine Howard had it the worst
Well, we can safely say that their lives sucked.
Not Today Satan
Yep.
She was literally 19. And Henry was in his 50s. Just...what.
Nah she died at 19
Makes me think about how different they must have been and if they clashed. think of a 19 y/o and a 50 y/o trying to connect today
Things were very different back then
Crystalline Aqua very very different..
Yeah female were basically ready for marriage once they got their first period in those decades
"Do this"
"N-"
*"did I stutter."*
What does this mean-
I'm a Lil Minor 👁️👄👁️
@@vienaubrey1313 The man: Do this sexual action against your will because I can make ur life h*ll (very common unfortuantly)
K. Howard: N- (No)
The Man: I dont care your a woman
its rape, it is very unfortunate always ask before you "birds and the bees" someone.
@@maddiemeyer28 Francis was actually nice and Katheryn and him were gonna get engaged but Henry
I really like how you actually drew the age differences between the versions of Katherine and the other men, it really shows how young she really was with the first man who took advantage of her. Amazing job!
Is that a true story or did they make that up for the musical???
Miles River the musical is based off of the lives of the six wives of Henry the eighth. These things all actually happened to Katherine Howard (the fifth wife)
Miles River the musical is based off of the lives of the six wives of Henry the eighth. These things all actually happened to Katherine Howard (the fifth wife)
@Jerry Owen True. I think the false age of "23" is actually a reference on their age difference.
It's a true story, ya.
The more you listen you realize she talks like a child.
*Birds and the bees me*
*Play Times Over*
And a couple more..
Its quite sad when you realize it.
She was 16 when she was married to Henry I’m pretty sure and was 19 when she was beheaded so yeah she was pretty young
I mean... Favorite quill, spilled Ink, my wrist was so tired was a Dirty joke
"When will enough be enoughsie"
Fairest of the fair could be taken as "childish" too
Enoughsies is also very childish
I love how you made most of the animatic pink, because Katherine viewed everything through rose-coloured glasses. And then the black and white is Katherine reflecting on her decisions and memories.
I love marinette
Most of the animatic is pink because that's her color in the musical, like Anne Boleyn is green, Anne of Cleves is red, C/Katherine is pink, Catherine of Aragon is yellow, you get the point. But the rose coloured glasses is interesting, it could fit, but I don't think that's what the artist intended
Virtual Gaming Cat that’s a reason too! I just additionally interpreted it this way.
Virtual Gaming Cat maybe that’s one of the reasons why Howard’s signature colour is pink!
La vie en rose
Bro the way she says "enoughsies" shows how young she really was
Fun fact: Katherine Howard was only 17 when she was forced into marriage with King Henry the 8th who was 49 at the time. Literally all of England was creeped out by their marriage but no one could say anything because he was the King.
Proof? Not to be mean but it was so long ago we don't really know
I hate pedos
@@ohlookadandehlion5760 there are many things showing that she was so young and she never really knew what a real relationship was. So yea she was forced into it cause no one rejected the king
@@ohlookadandehlion5760 It's very likely since children were often forced into marriage at the time.
@@ohlookadandehlion5760 Although nobody’s sure about Katherine’s EXACT age, we know she was around 18-19 during her execution, really sad :(. most people were obviously creeped out by the age gap, but couldn’t say anything since Henry had complete control over anyone like the tyrannical king he was, although some people believed it was normal as this was a common/basic thing to occur in history.
some facts about katherine howard:
- she died when she was only 18 or 19 (her exact birthdate is unkown)
- henry mannox was actually 36, not 23
- she was anne boleyn's cousin
- she loved animals, especially dogs
- she loved dancing and got lessons for it
- she had a good sense of humor and was described as being 'giggly'
- it's unknown whether her name is spelled with a C or K since it was written differently on many occasions, but evidence suggests it was probably with a C (but tbh just write it how you want)
- the 'thomas' guy at the end was her cousin
- her mom died when she was around 5 and her dad died when she was around 15
- the night before her execution, she reportedly spent hours practising how to lay her head on the block
- she was buried in an unmarked grave
she won the competition for sure
**spits water** 36- holy-
THE FACT THAT SHE WAS REPORTED TO BE *PRACTISING* HOW TO LAY HER HEAD ON THE THING IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING
The fact that we don't even know for sure how old she was is fucking tragic. I have a lot of sympathy for Catherine Howard; she was given a really rough hand in life.
she was just so naive and those guys really took advantage of the fact she wanted to be loved- honestly i say jail for all guys who hurt her
I'm not really surprised about the cousin part. Everyone was related to everyone then
I spit out my drink when I saw King Henry lmao I love it
SAME
So did she
I died harder than Katherine when he showed up 😅
Me: *Crying*
Henry: *T pose*
Me: *Laughing while questioning our existence*
same XD
Poor thing just wanted a friend, everyone just used her since she was a chikd
Sonata 788 no she just wanted to be love but they only used her
I have the answer be lesbian
Shipperina 221 yes I agree as lesbian myaelf
@@shipperina2213 I agree :V
@@shipperina2213 She did want to take a break from boys after all, why not girls for a change
guy: we have a connection
catherine: **runs**
guy: *WHY AWH YOU RRUNNING?! WHY AWH YOU RRUNNING?!*
NOOOO STOP PLEASE
you’re the only person I’ve seen so far actually portray her as a child and I am so grateful for that
Especially how contrasting
She's short and small and not at all adult looking
She's so young throughout the entire play, and it hurts
SilverSirena yeah!! makes the whole thing sm sadder
It doesn't romantize what he did. He was a pedo... The other songs do. 🤢
Yeah. She was only 19 when she was beheaded... So all these older guys took advantage of a young girl who had a serious lack of good parental guidance. Then she was killed because of it.
Digi Arts yeah... the sad truths of the 15/1600’s... really sad.
The most heartbreaking part is that Henry called her his “rose without a thorn”. Francis came to her at court and blackmailed her into letting him work at court, along with a woman she lived with at the Dowager Duchess’s house who knew everything that happened with Francis. She was surrounded by people using her, her uncle consistently told her how stupid she was and what she needed to do. Henry also tended to listen to her opinions. She also had a fur coat sewed for an old lady in the tower because it was winter. She was such a young child and truly sweet in temperament, and was just constantly pushed around by the men in her life.
Katherine was really sweet but the people abusing her are empty, no soul. She didn't deserve what happened to her. She definitely had it the worst as she was 17-19 when she died and her death was very painful, unlike Anne boleyns death.
It’s so unfair that Catherine has been written off as a promiscuous vixen and a foolish idiot. She was so much more than that - well-mannered, generous and kind. I believe that she was innocent, even if historians can’t agree if Catherine was abused or not. There’s little proof that she and Culpeper had sex and, by her own confession, evidence that there was coercion involved in her relationships. But, even if she really was guilty of adultery and willingly slept with Dereham before she married the king, it’s still not fair to call her a harlot. She was just a teenager who didn’t understand. And to die at so young an age, no older than 21 at the very most. The musical may omit some important details of Catherine’s life, but at least finally some poetic justice is being done for her.
However, I’d just like to add here that Henry VIII probably never called Catherine his ‘rose without a thorn’. Historian Claire Ridgway, over at The Anne Boleyn Files, has written an article in which she debunks this myth. The phrase actually originates from a coin struck in 1526, which bore the words ‘Henry VIII, the dazzling rose without a thorn’. I highly recommend you give it a read, it’s a very interesting piece:
www.theanneboleynfiles.com/katherine-howard-really-henry-viiis-rose-without-thorn/
@@Icarus5252 Catherine Howard may not have had a professional swordsman to kill her, but by all accounts she was beheaded in a single blow of the axe. Thankfully, it’s unlikely that she felt much pain.
‘the masked executioner then took Catherine's head off with one blow’
www.theanneboleynfiles.com/the-executions-of-catherine-howard-jane-boleyn-francis-dereham-and-thomas-culpeper/4357/
‘Mercifully, the headsman removed her [Catherine’s] head with a single stroke of the axe’ (Josephine Wilkinson, ‘Katherine Howard: The Tragic Story of Henry VIII's Fifth Queen’)
‘The queen’s head was removed with a single stroke’ (Conor Byrne, ‘Katherine Howard: Henry VIII’s Slandered Queen’)
@@somebody3487 but in others comments someone says that the executer hit her back, giving her much pain
//sorry the bad english
@@somebody3487 Really thanks for the info, very interesting!!!
Also, you don't make videos, but I subscribe to you: I really like the way you write and how you research things before to talk, at the contrary of many people today. Keep up the historical side of youtube.
"Enougshie"
"Birds And The Bees Me"
"Playtime's Over"
Dang, men were cruel to
her at a young flipping age.
I agree completely with you, but I thought that “enoughsie” was “enough, see”
The Milkman Goose Eh. Ok
I MADE YOU READ THIS the official lyrics say that but it can be interpreted how you want it. I hear enoughsie
Maia Lowthorpe I could honestly see it being that, honestly, since she was so young and her grammar wasn’t very good
The Curly Q Well I see
it as enoughsie 'cause
I'm an idiot who also
has a childish slang.
I hope that in her next life, she's free to do and live as she pleases. She deserves that freedom. Who else agrees?
I do but she will still be a child because she never got to grow up since she died when she was ( i think ) 19
Maybe she's you. Maybe she's me. Maybe she's yo mama.
@Chloe Benson True.
@Chloe Benson that doesnt have to do with anything what💀💀
YES
Fun reminder that she died when she was 19. So pretty much all of her relationships started when she was a minor. She married Henry when she was 16-17 and he was like 49.
Her story is honestly so fucking tragic. She was just a kid. She was a child and on repeat, she was being taken advantage of by significantly older men and essentially being taught that it was fine and that was her place. It's honestly- really fuckin tragic.
And she wins the race for saddest baskstory and *best queen*
this isn't a fucking fun reminder mom pick me io
How is that fun ? And he does have it the worst life
Plus no one believed he raped her when she tried to tell bc she was a woman
It's even possible that she was as young as 17 when she was executed - we really don't know her exact age. But it's entirely possible that she never even made it to adulthood. & that's the saddest part for me: she was just a kid.
“Just mates, no chemistry, I get him, he gets me, theres nothing more to it, he just cares so much, he’s devoted, he says we have a connection.”
She’s talking about she wanted no romantic relationship with Thomas, she just wanted a friend, she’s trying to convince herself that he didn’t want her like that by saying “he just cares so much, he’s devoted.” She meant hes devoted to being a FRIEND, she was trying to convince herself that everything he did was normal and that he didn’t view in her that way until he said “we have a connection” and thats when she knew he did view her in that way just like every other guy.
She just wanted a friend.
"The Friend I need" FRIEND
Yeah its really sad she also died at like 19 or 20 its REALLY sad because pepole still dont believe this kind of stuff happens those people are STUPID AND SHOULD DIE FOR BELIEVING THAT!!!!! Im pretty sure that all of those guys did rape her
And worse Thomas was her cousin
@@romana9283 And it gets so much worse. Not only was she too afraid to even walk up to the chopping block but Henry got her an executioner that wasn't very good at the job. The axe missed her neck twice and hit her in the back and shoulder so she suffered until the final third blow. :(
@@cloudysky4884 she died at 19
“We have a connection😍”
“We have a real connection☺️”
“We have this connection😐”
“We have a connection...”
I SHIP TODODEKU In my opinion yes
*I THOUGHT THIS TIME*
*WAS DIFFERENT---*
• AnøniiBuns • why did I think he’d be different?
Grace’s Melody’s But it's
never ever *different~*
• AnøniiBuns • cause all you wanna do all you wanna do baby
Its quite sad
She talks like a child
"Playtimes Over"
"Enoughsie''
"Birds And The Bees Me"
@Chloe Benson we know what it means, using the term “birds and the bees” is a more child-friendly way of describing it and it’s how a lot of kids were taught in the beginning
Well, from what I gather she WAS a child when this happened to her... poor kid...
@Chloe Benson thank you
I thought it's meant to be "... enough see."
It’s both- in the beginning it’s enoughsie (childish language) but at the end it’s enough, see. To represent the fact that she has been forced to grow up too fast by all the trauma. At least that’s what I think
The other men where normal with their advances..
Then you got Henry T posing over Katherin cuz that’s what he does when he goes hunting for wives.
Lol except all of them were terrible
I wheezed its how he shows dominance wdym
What about the seconds eyes??
Catherine: n-
2nd guy: -*eyes glowing* no to you
I mean... the other three were a paedophile, an abuser with statutory power over her, and someone who tries to force her into a relationship when she just wanted a friend
I saw this but I wasn’t sure if I should point it out. The other guys are nicely drawn (meaning they are hawt lmao) then Henry’s just there like T \_/ T
"Except for this one courtier. He's a really nice guy."
*Me:* :)
*Me: sees that he has no pupils*
*Me:* :(
:(
667 likes 👀
But still :(
:(
I don’t get it??
She says birds and the bees me,making reference to the fact she’s just a kid
Edit:holy fuck thanks yalll
She also says "playtime's over" and "enoughsie".. honestly i feel horrible for her
Catra!!!!
There are also other kid
references in some of the
other queen songs.
Enoughsie
@@jhudon7126 ikr
Her: So I decided to have a break from boys...
King Henry: lol u thought
When you listen to the lyrics, it is actually pretty sad. It sounds like she didn't want a lover, just a friend.
I think she didn't want a lover, just to be loved, and she never knew that, in true,what they felt for her wasn't love ( and I'm holding on not to complete this sentence with "it was a perfect illusion")... I think she gave herself for those men because that was the closest thing to "love" she knew, because they all said that they loved her but they only wanted to have sex with her...
No one:
Not even a single soul:
Henry: *T poses*
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
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I feel really bad for liking and singing along to the song. Katherine deserved better and she was so young when she died. The worst thing is watching it live because the actress breakdown on stage apparently and thats when I'm probally going to cry when I go and see the musical after the pandemic.
yeah when it’s performed live she’s screaming and crying the lyrics at the end. it’s heart breaking.
The musical is amazing and I was crying! (Also 66bth like)
same ;'D
@@thenewclassic18 where did you see that?
Lmnop Qrstuv ua-cam.com/video/DSVPBT-hPPc/v-deo.html
weird how this has a very cute and girly sound but is actually one of (*cough* the most *cough*) painful songs
Me: * almost crying *
*Looks like Henry T posing at the table*
Me: * laughing while crying and feel sorry for Katherine *
*Sorry for the misspelling.*
I swear to god in hungarian I know all of their names right. "^^ In my language we have all of them hungarian names. Except for Jane.
Nyetteh for short I don’t mean any offence! Your comment is funny but uhh... *Katherine would be this one 😅
Twenty
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@@laluna8900 Actually! Fun fact! Historically, no one really knows whether her name was supposed to be spelled with a "C" or a "K", and it constantly changes in documents. So, technically, you could use either one and get away with it. 😂😁 kinda cool, really. But, for musical purposes, yes, it is a K 😂
Twenty one pilots
Pastel Trin there’s too many fucking KATHERINES which one is this one
"so we got married"
"wooh"
that was the most unenthusiastic wooh I've ever heard lmaoo, she really got the point across
Ikr look at what Google says when you search her Katherine Howard was Queen of England from 1540 to 1541 due to her marriage to King Henry VIII. She was his fifth wife and was succeeded by Catherine Parr. SHE WAS QUEEN FOR 1 YEAR-
Shoto Todoroki she was also around 16 or 17 when she was beheaded. Nobody knows her exact age for sure.
@@emjay1354 I looked it up and it say around 18/19 but it could be wrong.
Shoto Todoroki nobody knows her exact birth date, some say 16/17 and some say 18/19. Her birth certificate was never found.
@@emjay1354 man that's so sad...
It's nice to see someone make a animatic that shows just how messed up this song actually is
Don't get me wrong i do enjoy the other Six animatics but this one takes the cake when it comes to this song specifically
The men around Katherine especially near the beginning all actually looks older then her
And it shows just how messed up Kaths life was over the years
And don't even get me started on the glass shards that shown reflections of Kath being arrested and then about to be beheaded
I also like how to take some of the seriousness away from the song the animator draws Henry VIII t-posing to assert dominance
Also animation actually portrays exact lyrics but the hidden/sexual meaning is even worse...
@@petraivic6522 like
"Major to minor"
"C to D"
"Plucked my strings"
"Pull my hair and tell me I'm the fairest of the fair"
"We spent hours strumming the lute,striking the cords and blowing the flute"
(To name a few)
Fun Fact: Anne B. And Katherine H. (The beheaded ones) were cousins
First cousins, yes!
Opp- we knew, it's in our British history and I'm just like. He really didnt like this family did he.
That is actually a bit funny because they were both beheaded but they had really sad stories. Like she was used and raped and then beheaded. And her cousin had to spent time with his other wife and was beheaded before the eyes of her daughter-
I feel like Jane Seymour was related to them somehow too but I might be wrong
@@dewmilk7266 I think Jane was like a 2nd or 3rd cousin to this two
Katherine: “He was 23 I was 13 going on 30”
Me: *wait that’s illegal*
*actually he was 36-*
**FBI INTENSIFIES-**
*Law and Order*
*FBI has entered the chat*
Oop
I find it really sad that we wouldnt know her story unless she married the king
pandaluva06 and that there’s probably tons more girls that were treated like her that we’ll never know about
I feel like probably at least 30% of girls in that time were treated that way. Most really didn't care about women tbh
Fun fact: it says that Katherine was crying and praying for the forgiveness for her soul at her final moments. This poor child didn’t deserve anything that happen to her 😞 (Actually pretty sad fact but people don’t get sarcasm [Edit])
Yes she had to be helped to climb the scaffold and assisted to kneel, as her legs were buckling beneath her with fright. Poor girl, she had actually planned to die bravely and gracefully but when it came to it, her nerves gave way.
If a fact makes you cry it isn't a fun fact anymore
Just Me its sarcasm
Tord Larsson-. that’s not a very fun fact
That's not very fun....
Not so fun facts:
Katherine Howard's music teacher, Henry Mannox WAS ACTUALLY 36, not 23
King Henry the 8th WAS 49 YEARS OLD when he married Katherine who WAS 17
Katherine Howard and Thomas Culpepper are cousins
mannox could've been in his mid-twenties to 36 but his age was never actually confirmed so rumors stay rumors
The exact age of Catherine Howard when she got married is unknown but she was an older teenager but that’s still really sad
Also Thomas had previously been banished from Henry's court for rape, though Henry eventually invited him back
Forget who was the most screwed over by Henry, Catherine Howard was the most screwed over by LIFE, jeez Louise!
PERIODT SIS
Anyone notice that both Anne and Katherine are the traumatized ones? Like everyone is that welp that sucked. But Anne and Katherine breakdown and cry while going to their death? My heart...
Well, I mean they got thier head chopped off
They are the only ones who got executed.
They're also both cousins
that's... the... point? I don't quite understand what you mean. If it was any other two u still would have made this comment but just changed the names, right?
@@heartrender6 I see. Well, at least it was special enough for you to reply. I was just stating how it's sad that Anne and Katherine were scared and was treated terribly. How they breakdown and can't hide their insecurities anymore.
I love the fact that at first she was like "Please me squeeze me" and when she got with Henry it was "sieze me squeeze me" it always makes me emotional.
Okay, I am missing a big point here but...male characters looking charming in this animatic... and holy shit it makes them ever more dangerous as predators because they don't look malicious or threatening at first glance.
Look at the eyes, though. SOOOOO creepy.
KH: **minding her own business**
Henry: *Allow me to assert my dominance over you*
Any man that Howard ever met:
henry: *casually t-posing in the background*
My top 9 SIX songs
9. you
8. can't
7. rank
6. them
5. they're
4. all
3. amazing
2. works
1. *hAUs Of hOlbEiN*
Lol
I think rank is way better than amazing like duh
Lol same
Lol yessss
JAAAAA
The fact she just wanted someone to be with friends with and every time they say they love her she loses trust in them, the poor girl couldn’t get one all her life..
THE ENDING WITH HER EXECUTION IN THE SHARDS OF GLASS
I WAS NOT PREPARED
Same 😭
"he even let me use his favorite quill"
wait
"Spilled ink all over the parchment"
WAIT
"My wrist was so tired"
*STOP*
Edit: Why did y'all like this I thought it was obvious
?? Ohhh.....I just got that
????????????
for all the kids with gacha avatars who reply to this comment, you'll understand when you're older
TOOK ME A MINUTE BUT I GOT IT, AAAHHHHHH
I d o n ' t g e t i t
Catherines by far the one had the most trauma in my opinion you can tell her, about how she uses childish words like birds and the bees and she was just a teenager at the time what I'm trying to say she deserves better
Angella Rodriguez also when she was going to be executed she needed help to get to the block because her knees starting buckling cause she was so scared. She was so young and didn’t deserve the trauma she got
idk why but my favorite part has always been "and ever since I was a child I'd make the boys go wild" and the little giggle after, she started the song so confident and pure
Mine too.
Anne Boylen might be my favourite queen but Katherine Howard was CLEARLY the one with the saddest story (also this animatic is amazing)
@ACM 123 I think Anna of Cleaves got pretty good life too.
@@zuzanakojecka8272 Except..... The forced marriage part. She had a pretty creepy husband, who had murdered his past wives. That wasnt in the musical though, also I think Jane had the most 'decent' life. None of them were all that great, sadly.
The message of the show is not to compare the queens based on what happened to them
@@josjoererg i was just saying katherine howard story was really sad i wasn't trying to compare them sorry
@@caskiris i completely understand, I also was a bit rude. She had a tragic life I agree
I like that none of the guys have pupils, because how they treated her was pretty inhuman
This is so sad! She uses such childish terms like ‘birds and bees’ and ‘enoughsie’ so she’s obviously had her childhood robbed off her. Playtimes over is sorta like inferring what I’ve just said about her childhood being cut short. This is also the same case in the first part about her being 13 going on 30.
She goes on about her thinking it’s different so that means that she only wants a friend, and she doesn’t want any men making moves on her.
TL;DR : She had a few years of childhood, then got deceived until she was killed basically :(
I’m sure she totally deserved to win the competition
Fränk Cmptn yea she did 😅
I completely understand “the birds and the bees”, but I thought “enoughsie” was actually “enough, see”
The Milkman Goose well i thought it was too, but someone said it said enoughsie aha. either way, you can tell how desperate she is to get herself heard x
Grimm wdum?
Also the fact that even in the first verse when shes only 13 shes saying 'I think this time is different' like it's happened even before that time
Eughhh
When King Henry and Cathrine Howard were first married, she was too young to take part in court proceedings. She was 16 or 17 years old. A 46 year old man, married a 16 year old. How screwed up is that?
that's how it was back then, most kids died early so they were rushed to make kids
actually Henry was 49 and Katherine/Kathryn was 16-17, but my opinion is she was married to him at 17
Daddy pig is 107 and mummy pig is 3 or 4 can’t remember
Haylee Gammage no she was about 16 she was born like 1524 and married him in 1540
Some say she was actually as young as 15
Everyone: **tries to impress Kathrine**
Henry: **T POSE**
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I’m 1:55 Pearl from Steven universe is in the background just saying
That’s how you show your dominant
PacoSucks 69, yep that’s how you assert your dominance😂
As a female, let me say, T posing is the best way to gt a girl.
i love how you portrayed henry in the beginning.
3:32
that caught me off guard and I was wheezing for 10 minutes straight and my family thought I was dieing
I really want to see them cast a 17 year old for her in the musical so we can actually tell how young she was
Or any 18 year old cause I don’t know how it works in London but in the us you get out of heigh school at 18 so the actdress wouldn’t miss or fall behind in school
it’s 15/16 for the uk
It's Victoria she was 18 - 19 when she died so that would probably make it better since it’s like the ghost rising from the grave
K Howard’s life in a nutshell:
Katherine got used by several men as child, then when she was around 15, her uncle made her a lady in waiting to Anne of Cleves and put her in King Henry VIII’s view, Henry liked her and married her while Katherine was only 15 or 16, Her cousin, Thomas was working in the palace, and helped Katherine through tough times with Henry, then Thomas told her that he loved her (in ways that someone should not love their cousin) Katherine rejected him, Thomas told King Henry that he and Katherine had an affair, and he sent her to the tower, the night before Katherine lost her head, she spent many hours practicing how to put her head on the block, and on February 13th, 1542, Katherine Howard was beheaded, when she was only 18 or 19
19 and dang poor girl.
That was really dark
And Henry set her execution back every day, he really wanted to break her
Underwatch Rnaqvi07 Yeah He did R@pe her but I didn’t wanna say it...
also she was beheaded with an axe, not a sword.
Wait but I thought Thomas manipulated her so she believed he truly loved her and she slept with him because she wanted it too? At least that's how we learned it.
Like every time she says "birds and the bees" or "connection" her voice just goes a tiny more apprehensive and bitter each time and it just-
Its heartbreaking
Yea
For a second I thought it said: “ Tall, Large, Henry the egg... “
Six but everyone’s breakfast /j
PLEASE HAHAHA
Same lol
He do be built like an egg in this animatic though😂
Accurate.
When she said she took a break from guys, I kinda expected her to go for a girl lmao
IKR
nevie area, same sex relationships have been a thing forever, it’s not something that just happened in the 2000s. More people are just not hiding it anymore. She could’ve dated a girl and kept it a secret
nevie area, I know this, I’m just saying when she said that it *sounded* like she was going for a girl, I know she actually wasn’t. Calm down sir/ma’am
Meggo my Eggo SAMMEE
I mean she did katherines actor is married to the studio recording Anne of cleves
I really like your usage of color here !!!! it really adds to the intensity when things go black and white. I also loved the detail that all of K's abusers/"lovers" had blank eyes.
Rose Caleb Greystorm Yeah. The colors really do enhance the emotions.
I never noticed the blank eyes WOW
EVERYONE SOUNDS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL
Me:good job
Everyone else: wooow the colours ARE PERFECT
OMGG I NEVER GOT 5 LKES TYSMMM
@@angela.9843 chill dude '-'
Another thing about Katherine, she was actually forced into her marriage with Henry. She was 18 and engaged to someone else, but the King took a liking to her and you really couldn’t say no to him. So she might have been a bit promiscuous, but can you blame her? She was in a loveless marriage, she wasn’t happy. Poor girl.
Actually she was forced into Henry 's sight by her family bc they wanted power plus the final wife was also going or already married to someone else but when Henry liked her she couldn't say no plus she was 16-17 when she married henry cathrine was either 18-19 when she died bc no one knows her birthday but most people think she was 19
Min Yoongi She actually wasn’t promiscuous- she got raped while married and nobody believed it was rape at the time, so they killed her
@@nobodyimportant9603 I can confirm this
@@nobodyimportant9603 There is no conclusive evidence that Howard was raped during her marriage - it is just a plausible theory. Not only do the confessions of Catherine and her alleged lover Thomas Culpeper strongly suggest that they never had sex (she stated the night before her execution that she was ‘guiltless’ of ‘defiling’ the king’s bed), but it is impossible for to us to know exactly whether or not Catherine consented to her relationship with him due to how fragmentary the details are. Historians Lucy Worsley and Retha Warnicke have pointed towards some of the more platonic language in the alleged love letter written by Catherine to Culpeper, suggesting that perhaps they were just close friends or that Catherine wrote it an attempt to appease him. Worsley and Conor Byrne have also expanded upon the theory that Culpeper (and Dereham) blackmailed Catherine; there is evidence that Dereham openly spoke about his relationship with Catherine. Culpeper could have easily caught wind of this, and with knowledge of her past, used it to coerce or persuade Catherine into seeing him.
However, most historians still believe that Catherine and Thomas had a genuine, romantic relationship - or, at the very least, that there was no rape involved. It is not a stretch to say that there may have been some mutual feelings between the two (either platonic or intimate), since we know that the two met up in private and exchanged gifts. Whilst the love letter has been interpreted as evidence of the use of blackmail and coercion, it can just as easily be taken the other way. And yes, there is a report from the time describing charges of rape and murder against Culpeper (which, if genuine, would allow us to make an almost sure conclusion about the nature of his relationship with Catherine), but it has been dismissed by a handful of experts as unreliable.
I am not saying that Catherine was promiscuous or that she was guilty of adultery - I am of the opinion that she was pressured into her relationships and was more than likely assaulted by Mannox and Dereham. She was only a child; it was not her fault and she didn’t deserve to die. However, it is simply not accurate to suggest Howard was beheaded for being raped - not only was she, legally speaking, condemned to death for not disclosing her sexual history before meeting the king, but accusations of rape were not wholly disregarded in the 16th century. Whilst ideas about femininity and masculinity were certainly different in the Tudor era, many cases of sexual assault were treated seriously - hence why we have numerous documentations of abuse from the period. The issue is not as black and white as the musical (or the comments section) make out. There is an absence of strong evidence for both sides of the argument - it is as likely that Culpeper did pressure Catherine into seeing him as it is that there were close romantic feelings between them. It is all just speculation.
Apologies if I come off as condescending and pedantic; I don’t mean to lecture you.
Wait did this stuff ACTUALLY happen-
Francis: "do dis"
Katherine: "n-"
Francis: *triggered*
Have you noticed that with Francis she sounded a lot more sure when she said “and I know this is it” and “we have a REAL connection”? I think this alludes to the rumour that she truly loved Francis
And then he ended up getting her executed.
@@smolbean2.043 that little b*tch lol
@@smolbean2.043 tbf, he got executed too
@@kennedyhuff
After condemning her to death. Great guy...
@@HomosapienNo94628 Thanks for that it really cleared some things up for me !
I'm gonna cry even more because I just thought of something.
Do you know what I realized?
I realized is that all of the guys had NO EYES. They had eye sockets but their eyes didn't exist.
It was like they were empty.
You know how a person's eyes is like a window to their soul?
These men had no souls.
Let that sink in.
They were terrible and abusive. They were empty of anything that is even close to being called a soul.
And all she had wanted was a *friend.*
Damsel Darnel damn that’s deep
*this is deep and I'm not even 14 yet*
@@AVIIIX Ha ha ha! I'm 16....XD
@Grimm So...you don't want a tissue?
Damn...... I-
"Yeah, that didn't work out so I decided to have a break from boys"
That's when she became a lesbian
*Aimie(the singer for this recording) is a lesbian so makes sense*
@@tangerine_chocolata wait where did you find that information?? I couldn't find it anywhere
@@hynxei1634 Check Instagram live streams about the Pride Month
@@hynxei1634 ua-cam.com/video/83uBG8rbx74/v-deo.html
@@tangerine_chocolata Thank you! i also read the comments under that video so I'm a lot more educated now
I actually like the small attention to history at 6:32 where the artist depicted Katherine resting her head on a headrest. Apparently it was believed that while she was in jail she has specifically requested a block to practice laying on for her execution. There’s so many details and tragedies in Katherine’s life that the musical kinda skims over, which is understandable, but this poor girl went through so much in those 19 years of her life.
I’ve never heard this musical but damn this is sad.
The truth is even sadder
None of Your Business what's even sadder, is that this was based on a true historical event of Catherine Howard.
lil.i558 That's true. I'm really glad that this musical cleared it out for us. This musical may not be that really accurate, but at least we get to learn a more detailed life story of her.
This is actually exactly what happened, but the men where actually two times older than her
Queen Aqua Green Yeah I know. I just said it wasn't really that accurate because like you said the men were two times older than her. And other little things like Jane Seymour said "I'm the only one he truly love" which is quite falls, she only bear a son for him, but that doesn't really mean he loved her. But over the musical was accurate, there's just a little falls in it😊
Fun fact: One of Elizabeth I's childhood friends, Robert Dudley, supposedly claimed that she first told him she never wanted to get married when she was about eight or nine years old. Guess how old she was when Katherine lost her head? (On Valentines Day as well, just in case Henry wasn't being dramatic enough already.)
This was a fucking traumatic event for all involved, and is probably a big part of the reason why we ended up with the Virgin Queen Elizabeth.
I saw this and decided to research it, the year Katherine died was the year Elizabeth turned 9, Katherine dying months before Elizabeth's 9th birthday, meaning when her step mother died, she was 8. So she was about 9-10 years younger then Katherine.
I don't blame Elizabeth for becoming the virgin queen like she did. If I witnessed my dad going through women like water like that, I'd be traumatized too.
She was smart, the others weren't stupid, she reilized what could've happened to her so she avoided getting married and avoided men as much as possible
@@Icarus5252 I agree
It was a smart move
Her being a virgin queen also meant she retained power. If she had married she would have lost her power to the king, her own husband. Her father killed her mother but it was noted through letters that she loved her father anyway. She was a well educated woman, who knew as soon as she married and had a child she would no longer be in a position of power but an object of succession
tHE BIRDS AND THE BEES PART-
THE BEES SAID “come along w/ me” aKFJSJ
I AM SO GLAD THAT OTHE PEOPLE THOUGHT OF THIS!!!!!!!
This really captures how young she was when it all started, like 13 year old Katherine looks like a child because she _was_ and he absolutely took advantage of her. And the visuals are generally gorgeous and give the same vibes as the choreography in the show.
it really portrays the tragedy of her life but also “me and my fam” & “you oki? u need help” *henry t pose*
And *insert writing*
While Katherine was in the Tower, she asked for the execution block to be brought to her room so she could practice resting her head on it before her execution. I love how this little detail was added in one of the glass shards at the end!
things I loved:
-Hamilton poster on a bookshelf
-Pearl in the library
-‘come along with me’ next to the bee
-wide boy t-posing king
Y.e.s
WHICH PEARL?
@@mccuberson5285 when she sips the tea UwUz in the background
@@froppyeatsshoes183 Ohhh, yeah I seez now
@@mccuberson5285 noice
God like at the start of the song she's trying to minimise the damage done by these guys by acting all flirty and coy about it (thirteen going on thirty! Um no honey you were a babychild) but when Thomas betrays her trust it's just the last straw and it all just boils over. It's so sad. And that's before her head comes off!
What makes it worse was that she only wanted to be friends with Thomas, as said in the line 'Just mates, no chemistry', I think I heard that Katherine had been forced to write a love letter to Thomas or something like that.
We are not sure at all, but historians found that the love letter she wrote to him she wrote it strangely more stressed than other letters she had written and also his cousin also had raped many other girls even knowing that Henry still let him in, so she was probably forced and raped..
Shes was raped and blackmailed, and becuase she was a 18 year old women, no body believed she was raped, and beheaded her,
she just wanted a friend
*cries*
If only she met Adrien agreste
@• Purple Academia • he protect he defend but most importantly he just a friend
henry the eighth t-posing is way too funny