I have both Black Bay 41 and SPB143. I still have pleasure in wearing and having them both in my collection. As of now, I don’t see the need to get either the Black Bay 41 Monochrome or SPB453. Thanks for an in depth review of these new models TWI, I enjoyed it. 👌🏻
Glad to hear from someone who owns versions of both! They are quite different on the wrist so, like you, i enjoy the different experiences they offer. Happy to hear that you enjoyed the video😁
Congratulations on 20k!! It's been awesome to see the channel grow right from the start, onwards to more growth! The Tudor is a serious bit of kit and special in its own right but I agree with your point break down. The Seiko does have more of that x factor which helps make up for some it's deficiencies. The BB41 is great but not sure if it's got the x factor
Thank you so much Ed! Its been great having you here since the first few videos and I always look forward to seeing your comments😁 Yes onwards to growing this funny little community even more! I agree with your take, the Tudor (or any Tudor for that matter) is very much worthy of respect but I'm not sure if it can pull my heart strings as much as seikos. However, the build quality and accuracy do add to the experience quite a bit so i think it could even out in a way!
The blue bezel BB41 was a watch that I have wanted for such a long time bc it looks so good! If they release a blue bezel version i think the Monochrome would be on its way out!
I haven’t seen the Seiko in the flesh but it looks so much better than the previous version and I love the date implementation but I’m guessing that date is difficult to read which would rule it out for me. The Tudor is already ruled out for not having a date. I think it’s very generous to give the seiko 7 for the bracelet. I might go up to 4 if someone knows of a clasp with on the fly adjustment that fits, but if not it would go straight in the box never to see the light of day again.
Seiko did a fantastic job with this update and i agree having a date is a plus point and i actually think this 430 implementation is the best since we get a date that can fade into the background while getting a full set of lumed indices! Here's a on the fly adjustable clasp that would work on the SPB453 and most Seikos that have a 18mm clasp that are attached by spring bars: amzn.to/4g2vKzF I can see why 7 would be considered very generous but for me comfort on the wrist is probably the single most important aspect of a watch bc no matter how beautiful or high quality a watch may be, if it doesnt feel smooth and comfortable on my wrist, its barely going to get any wrist time. The Seiko watch head plus the bracelet makes for one of the most comfortable watches i own and its more effortlessly comfortable than the BB41 Monochrome. If we're talking solely about quality then yeah the Tudor bracelet is much better
Both are great looking watches, IMO. Seiko needs to step up their movement game for sure. Especially their 6R movements, they’re just crap. Tudor needs to address those huge slab sides on the case. It just seems lazy. Why can’t they make it have a thinner midcase, which would make it overall look so much better. Your comparison was spot on. But if I was going to spend around $2-3k, I’d probably get a Longines.
lol thank you! I agree in that these likely wont be truly crossed shopped but In the end both watches are in my collection side by side and they fill in a similar role for me: the classic clean black and white diver. And the Seiko wins out most of the time!
loool the bracelet really makes a huge difference, I was surprised at how much it improved the experience for me! Hopefully you get a chance to try one on in person or maybe try out a bracelet from Uncle Straps or Strapcode if you havent done so already!
First of all, yellow tropic strap on the flightmaster sounds like a fantastic combo! But unfortunately I gave tropic straps a go, i like their look however because they are thicker at the top (by the watch) they dont curve around the wrist as easily and it feels like its cinching in the top of my wrist. I'm just looking for the standard fkm rubber strap I showed my BB41 MC on. Funny thing is that despite the numerous brands and price points, I'm sure that theyre all made at the same factories bc they are all essentially identical and there are no variations in sizing!
I agree about them all being made by the same factory, however the Straphabit ones are different from them in every respect. They make quite a few different designs from step straps and inverted step to iso types out of FKM. I'm a steadfast Original Tropic strap wearer and I wear these now.
@dmits22 yeah I've got straphabit fkm straps in all the sizes I wear! And randomly I saw that they make a really nice thin sail cloth strap which happens to taper 21 to 18. I wear it on my Longines SZT and I love it on that but it unfortunately gets overpowered by the BB41 watch head. So close!
I don’t think a Tudor buyer would be comparing against the Seiko. The Seiko is awesome for someone like me who will probably never have enough extra money laying around to buy the Tudor. Great comparison video!
Nope, two totally different bracelets. The new bracelet is slimmer. The SPB 453 is far superior to the 143. Fit, finish movement. I used to lose time with the 143, the 453 keeps perfect timing.
I want to love the Seiko more than I do. The biggest problem for me is the bracelet doesn’t look like it fits the case, like many Seikos. I don’t understand why Seiko doesn’t make a bracelet that looks like it fits the case.
IMO, they missed the mark with the new 453, sub par movement, no on the fly adjustment on the clasp, bad taper and the bezel with every min marker. And they're bold to ask over $1k? wildddddd. I'd take a skx007 over the spb453 any day.
You’ll be crazy if you do the SPB 453 is far more superior. It is worth every penny. I don’t regret a dime I spent on this watch. You’re focused on the name on the dial and not looking at the quality. If it had Omega on the dial I bet you would spend 4 x’s the price and wouldn’t bat an eye. I’m telling this model is rock solid in all ways. I was iffy in the clasp myself until I put it on and not I can imagine what it would be like with another kind of clasp. It keeps the bracelet slim. Super comfortable
Now that i look at it, the Tudor's side profile is boring, or down right ugly. Looks like the bezel was just pressed on top of a slab of stainless steel case.
I mean, if you want the monochrome with a rubber strap, the factory Tudor option has a great taper and retains the T-fit. It kind of feels like the "strapmonsterability" section was a bit of a liberty to ensure that the Seiko came out ahead. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you preferring it over the Monochrome, but all of your issues with the bracelet and rubber options that impacted its scoring, could have been entirely mitigated by getting the rubber strap version.
Strap monster means it must be able to fit with a wide variety of straps, not just the OEM strap. The Tudor is awful on the strap because of the lug positioning being so far away from the main case. The huge gap is an eyesore and requires an end link to fill because it's clearly designed first and foremost to be worn on the bracelet.
having a date window is nice especially one thats as well executed as the one on this Seiko. I'm in the minority but i think its awesome that the 453 gives us the date and a full set of indices!
No date is the best feature it’s got. Unless you’re having some memory issues. I don’t need to refer to my watch to remember that it’s the 25th all day. And then tomorrow it will be the 26th…all day. I guess my memory is photographic 🤓
@@Pete22222it’s not necessarily memory issues, but it’s nice not having to remember the number of the day of the month we’re in. Specially for me, since I work night shift, sometimes more than 7 nights in a row.
Comparing the Tudor Black Bay to the Seiko SPB453 can be considered ridiculous because the two watches cater to entirely different markets, with significant differences in brand heritage, positioning, craftsmanship, and pricing. Here's a solid argument: 1. Brand Heritage and Positioning Tudor Black Bay: Tudor is a luxury brand with a deep-rooted connection to Rolex, its parent company. The Black Bay line is designed to capture the essence of classic dive watches, combining Swiss luxury watchmaking with historical design cues. Tudor is positioned as a premium brand, appealing to enthusiasts who value heritage, prestige, and a high level of craftsmanship. Seiko SPB453: Seiko is a brand known for offering a wide range of watches, from affordable to mid-tier, with a focus on value, innovation, and reliability. The SPB453 is part of Seiko’s Prospex line, which is known for producing professional-grade dive watches at a more accessible price point. Seiko's heritage is more about innovation and functional design than luxury. 2. Price and Market Segment Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay is positioned in the luxury watch market, with a price tag that reflects its quality, materials, and craftsmanship. It’s designed for those willing to invest in a timepiece that not only performs well but also carries the prestige of Swiss watchmaking. Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, while a solid and well-made watch, is targeted at a completely different market segment. It’s priced much lower than the Black Bay, appealing to buyers looking for a high-quality dive watch without the luxury price tag. Comparing the two on price alone makes little sense, as they cater to vastly different budgets. 3. Craftsmanship and Materials Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay features high-end materials such as 316L stainless steel, often with intricate finishes and premium details. It also often includes Tudor’s in-house movement, known for its precision and durability. The overall fit and finish of the Black Bay are on par with luxury standards, offering a superior tactile experience. Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, while well-crafted, uses materials and movements that are appropriate for its price point. The watch is durable and reliable, but it doesn’t offer the same level of finishing, detailing, or the prestige of an in-house movement like the Black Bay. The craftsmanship is excellent for its category but not comparable to the luxury level of Tudor. 4. Design Philosophy and Appeal Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay’s design is rooted in vintage dive watches, offering a blend of modern functionality with historical aesthetics. It’s a watch that appeals to collectors and enthusiasts who appreciate the heritage and luxury aspects of watchmaking. Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, part of Seiko’s Prospex line, is designed with a focus on practicality and performance, often with a more modern and functional design. It’s a tool watch that emphasizes reliability and durability over luxury, catering to those who need a dependable dive watch without the frills of a luxury brand. Conclusion Comparing the Tudor Black Bay to the Seiko SPB453 is ridiculous because they are fundamentally different products aimed at different audiences. The Tudor Black Bay is a luxury timepiece with a focus on heritage, craftsmanship, and prestige, while the Seiko SPB453 is a high-quality, value-oriented dive watch designed for practicality and reliability. Each excels in its respective category, but they serve different purposes and are not directly comparable.
I’ve tried both watches and the Seiko is way better than the Tudor hands down. The case design and finishing. There is nothing luxurious feeling about the Tudor. FYI Seiko has always had in-house movements, even before it became a thing to brag about. Whereas, Tudor just now stop using ETA movements. I now own the SPB 453 and get compliments by guys wearing Rolex’s.
I would rather buy the IWC mark XX for the tudor money. Maybe a unpopukar opinion btu that watch is imo Leagues more impressive than tudor both heritage wise and design wise.
The Mark XX is a great watch no doubt, they did just the right amount of adjustments and refinements over the mark xviii. To me they're a bit apples and oranges but that just means that they can very easily coexist in a collection! I think that duo would make for a pretty amazing two watch collection
@@thewatchidiot yea generally I dislike mid tier watches as they rely too much on specs trying to outspec something like a submariner but I just don't feel that way about the IWC. It is IWC through and through. Tudor is trying to be rolex with an unbelibable (too good to be true price tag) instead of being the eta movement or eqivalent off the shelf one cased in rolex parts like it originally was supposed to be. I'm just never gonna buy another Tudor when I know it depreciates and the service cost is the same as a rolex that's the too good to be true part. It's the Volksvagen to Audi. Up front cheaper and spec wise pretty close but in the long run just a bitter aftertaste. Felt the same way about the modern seamasters and longines hydroconquests.
Seiko did a really good job refining the new 453 in all the right ways to make the biggest impact. the 143 didnt quite land for me so i wasnt expecting to love the 453 but now I cant stop wearing it! Agreed, the amount of quality Tudor managed to pack into the BB41 is pretty insane
Amazing comparison! You’re the best in the game for this sort of content imo! Would you ever consider a video comparing the 453 to the 143? Also congrats on 20k!!
Thank you Barry! Its always great to see your comments from the early days! The tudor is a special watch no doubt the feeling of solidity and quality on the wrist is on another level and it happens to be a very handsome watch 😁
Glad you enjoyed the video! The BB Pro is an awesome watch, I do miss it quite a bit it was such a comfortable watch on the wrist despite it being on the slightly thicker side. And it of course looks fantastic
I don't usually put a comment on UA-cam but hey, it's the greatest review I've ever seen! And also I am comparing exactly these two watches these few days since I tried both in person last week. Now it makes me more not sure which one I should go with..😂 I really like the look of tudor which gives me the vintage vibe with retro color of black/white and fewer letters.. but seiko is waay more comfortable to wear for my small wrist and costs me better! And since it's a "diver watch" I wanna use it actively without caring too much of the fact I'm wearing an expensive watch. Maybe I'll watch it again before buying. Thank u and keep making great videos!
Hmmm . . . . The Seiko wins by half a point based on strap compatibility? Sorry, but you gave the Tudor a surprisingly high score in the Value segment!? A segment that was a bit of a head scratcher. As even as the watches are, the fact that the Seiko realistically costs less than a third of the Tudor would kind of dictate that it's the value king. Thus taking the final by a commanding margin! There is no hate on the Tudor, but there's a reason the SPB 143 and now this watch are so widely praised; they just kick ass!! 😅
Cost and value are not the same thing. The more accurate way to look at it, is Value = Features /Spec - Cost. Seiko's movements are reliable, but not 4hz , not anti-magnetic and not especially accurate. Their quality control is legendarily terrible and their bracelets have always been worst in class at pretty much any price point. When you compare the Tudor against other METAS certified watches, the value it offers is extremely obvious. The Seiko is a great design and is way more interesting to look at than the Black Bay, but it's way too expensive for what it actually offers. Saying Seiko is the value king, just isn't true. Maybe 6 to 10 years ago, but definitely not now.
For me and many others, being able to swap out straps is really important, so a watch not being compatible with straps we've already spent money on and own can be a downside bc that means we'll need to buy more of the same strap just in a different size for one or maybe two watches. 21mm lugs make things more difficult since most straps dont have 21mm variants. That said if this isnt an issue for you then the Tudor won!
I have a whole 21mm strap collection now for my Hydroconquest, it wasnt too hard. Sure you miss a few here and there that dont come in the size and i must admit ive gone with mostly natos, sailcloth and a couple cheeky leather straps coz i have the facory rubber already as an option. But Barton offer 21mm rubber straps that might be an alright solution.
Yeah I tried out natos and leather straps but I'm mainly a bracelet and a rubber strap guy, although I do wear leather more in the fall and winter. And as for the Barton straps theyre good, but unfortunately they dont taper as much as I'd like them to, and the buckle side of the strap is a touch short (75mm instead the usual 80mm). My main issue is that there are a bunch of 20mm rubber straps I love but they dont have 21mm versions of them unfortunately I'm hoping third party strap makers will make a nice tapered integrated rubber strap for the new BB41 bc that would solve most of my issues! Until then I'll keep exploring amazon 😂
Great review and discussion. I think if deciding between these exact models and colorways, I'd go for Tudor assuming affording them isn't a problem. However, I have a different idea: Get both but switch the Seiko to the amazing SPB455 which has a tremendous dial with guilt done right. Do you mind pointing us in the direction of which clasps you like to get to replace Seiko OEM clasps?
Thanks Marc, glad you enjoyed the video! yeah the overall quality of the Tudor is exceptional so if someone can afford it and likes the design then its the way to go. The SPB455 looks pretty good in pictures! I would love to see on in person i think th gray dial with the gilt hands and indices is a very interesting combo that i think could work much better than gilt hands and indices on a black dial Sure thing, the links are in the description if you want to refer to them at a later date but here are the links to two options ones $8 and the other $18 i believe. The $8 one i like quite a bit bc it keeps things especially light. Standard 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/48H9EyJ Upgraded 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/3HD6u3g
Great video. I'm still planning on picking up a Black Bay Monochrome in February. The Seiko is nice, but I have a big soft spot for Tudor. But I am curious what band is on that BB58 Blue? It looks great!
Nice I'm excited for you to get the SPB453! I agree that the MM SJE101 would technically line up more equally against the BB41, however for me its even more difficult to justify considering the stated accuracy range isnt much improved over the 6R in the SPB453. But more importantly, for me at least, they use only a slightly nicer version of the clasp with that stupid divers extension! Given the overall value of the SPB453, its hard to consider any other versions of the 62MAS
Can’t stand 6r movements. The ONLY thing holding me back from buying the Seiko. Every 6r I’ve had has had wild positional variance and even one just stopped working. Maybe I just have REALLY bad luck.
Oh wow that really sucks to hear! Have you considered getting them regulated by a watchmaker? These movements can be super accurate post regulation. Its also possible to adjust it yourself but results will of course vary lol, I adjusted my SKX on my own but I'm not sure I would risk adjusting any watch north of 1k
My 6R15 movements have been excellent but once they slowed down the rate to 3 hz in the 35 it’s been a crapshoot; only higher end Seiko movements from now on for me, looking at an SLA047 as my next diver. Also looking at Sinn for my next GADA watch.
Excellent review both are amazing! One question, do you think the spb453 bracelet would fit on the spb143? Are they the same end links or can you just swap the end links? thanks in advance!
i love seiko but often the +/- drives me bonkers with at the end of the month the watch being significantly off.... is there a seiko movement that's more accurate?
I’m sorry, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON in the Tudor & Seiko… Reason is, the movement that Tudor does in house is amazing, & all the lines of the Tudor & excellent was the bracelet meets the case is spot on & flows awesome. Again, just my opinion, but seiko has no chance against the Tudor
I can’t disagree with you enough regarding the comfort of the 5 link bracelet on the BB41 Monochrome. It’s far and away the most comfortable bracelet I’ve ever worn, with the Tudor Ranger bracelet a close second. The oval links softly and uniformly hug the wrist, and is superior to other true jubilee bracelets I’ve worn.
A great comparison TWI. I think my takeaway from this one is that these two watches are definitely worth a second look at there individual price points and both great watches period. I have not tried either of these watches but I do have watches by Tudor and Seiko in my collection. Design as you mention is usually more adventurous and exiting with Seiko but build and finish would probably go to the less exciting Tudor design. Movements are harder to compare given the different price points but the Seiko should be easier to find someone to service it. Bracelet wise for me I would pick the Tudor over many brands, the T-Fit is brilliant (The Pelagos clasp is even better IMHO) and the Oyster style is super comfortable in my experience and I'm not bothered about the faux rivets at all. Is the Tudor worth the extra cost? Well I'll let other make that decision for themselves a they will be paying for and wearing the watch. Many thanks for sharing.
I own the 1st reissue SPB053 and the BB58 blue and while I love both, Seiko needs to make much better bracelets, and, more importantly, needs to regulate their calibers to better specifications from the factory. Plain and simple. Their cool designs can only get them so far (for the prices they’re asking), in my probably incorrect opinion! 😂
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from amzwatch I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
I love the new Seiko updates but prefer the brushed bezel of the original 143 (which I have) do you have a link to the replacement clasp you got for the bracelet? I have the same issues with the overly large diver’s extension and you could use the clasp for morse code it rattles so much. Love the video!
Great video! Would you mind linking to the clasp you recommended foe the seiko. I bout the seiko mm300 to replace mine but i don't like how whej the micro adjust leaves a large gap when it's extended. Edit: i see you did link it in the description! But does that clasp have on-the-fly/quick micro adjustment?
The Seiko case shape looks good on the strap. The Tudor looks unfinished will the lug gaps and the visual of the curve part of the case like it's not meant to be off the bracelet.
I don't know if it makes sense to compare watches of different price ranges. The Tudor is much more expensive and therefore it is clear that it has a better movement and the bracelet and clasp are better. But anyway, I would prefer the Seiko because the Tudor does not justify the big price difference In my opinion.
Its 21st century and seiko is still failing to integrate lugs of the case and bracelet...Still 1mm gap is visible bracelet do not extend to the end of the lugs and do not match the case's lines.it's disgusting..LOL...aliexpress 100$ dollars cases have better integration..
I don’t know what watch you’re looking at but my SPB 453 has no gaps between the lugs and the bracelet. They fixed all of that. I’m telling you the watch is solid!
@@kingflip8257 they are solid but not good ingregration on the case, almlst 1mm Gap is seeing from the left and right on the case. It so shame they are nir deliver quality for the amount of money they are asking, even steinhart for 600 euros have better integrated bracelet.
I am a fan of both brands. I have a Monochrome and also several Seikos. Honestly, the difference in refinement between these two models is huge. The two movements are like night and day in terms of technology and quality. The same can be said for the bracelets and clasps.
The overall quality of the tudor is better i agree but its also 3x more expensive so for me once the stupid seiko clasp is swapped out the quality of the watch head plus the comfort of the bracelet and consequently the entire watch is amongst the best. That said comfort on the wrist happens to be just about the most important factor for me. A watch can be beautiful and super high quality but if it doesnt feel comfortable it will end up with little to no wrist time
@@thewatchidiot What I love about a watch like the Monochrome is that it's a completely homogenous whole of very high quality. The case, the bracelet, the T-fit, the movement, bezel action, crown action : no compromises. Everything is impeccable. If you are happy with a mediocre movement and a $10 third party clasp, that is fine too but it's definitely not for me.
Yeah thats an option! But in the meantime here are the clasps I use. The one you see on my bracelet in this video is a miltat 18mm clasp with 6 microadjust holes that i cant seem to find (other than a black version). I actually like the $8 one quite a bit since its light and it doesnt weigh down the watch as much as the version in the video. Standard $8 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/48H9EyJ Upgraded $18 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/3HD6u3g
I hate to be the guy. I love watches from all price ranges but frankly Seiko is just not there. They’ve destroyed the brand with their models, pricing and brand positioning. Anything that is not grand Seiko is just on the same spectrum of a 300 dollar Seiko and that’s the problem. This model just isn’t worthy of a Black Bay comparison. Just my 2 cents.
Wow, you couldn’t have been more wrong of you tried. You cannot with a straight face say that Seiko prospect or presage are not great watches. You can go and buy a $150-$300 Seiko right now and you can tell it’s a $300 Seiko. But to even elude that the SBP 453 is nothing more than SKX is insane. The SPB 453 is worth every penny of the $1,300 asking price to get it any lower is a steal. If that dial had omega on it, people would drop 4-5k on it and would think twice about, even praise it as a deal, but because it has S-E-I-K-O on the dial somehow it’s over priced. It’s nothing more than watch snobbery.
Let's say the click bait title stands, and both watches are back to "basic", why is the other one overpriced? Oh i know! It's the " swiss" made artificial pedigree crap the swiss marketing machine wants consumer to believe
I have both Black Bay 41 and SPB143. I still have pleasure in wearing and having them both in my collection. As of now, I don’t see the need to get either the Black Bay 41 Monochrome or SPB453. Thanks for an in depth review of these new models TWI, I enjoyed it. 👌🏻
Glad to hear from someone who owns versions of both! They are quite different on the wrist so, like you, i enjoy the different experiences they offer. Happy to hear that you enjoyed the video😁
Congratulations on 20k!! It's been awesome to see the channel grow right from the start, onwards to more growth! The Tudor is a serious bit of kit and special in its own right but I agree with your point break down. The Seiko does have more of that x factor which helps make up for some it's deficiencies. The BB41 is great but not sure if it's got the x factor
Thank you so much Ed! Its been great having you here since the first few videos and I always look forward to seeing your comments😁 Yes onwards to growing this funny little community even more! I agree with your take, the Tudor (or any Tudor for that matter) is very much worthy of respect but I'm not sure if it can pull my heart strings as much as seikos. However, the build quality and accuracy do add to the experience quite a bit so i think it could even out in a way!
I have a Black Bay blue bezel 41mm with the in-house movement and it's one of my all-time favorites.
The blue bezel BB41 was a watch that I have wanted for such a long time bc it looks so good! If they release a blue bezel version i think the Monochrome would be on its way out!
I really like the look of that Seiko
Seiko made a mighty fine looking watch for sure. I knew I would like the watch but I was surprised that I ended up absolutely adoring it!
Same
no lume comparison?
I haven’t seen the Seiko in the flesh but it looks so much better than the previous version and I love the date implementation but I’m guessing that date is difficult to read which would rule it out for me. The Tudor is already ruled out for not having a date.
I think it’s very generous to give the seiko 7 for the bracelet. I might go up to 4 if someone knows of a clasp with on the fly adjustment that fits, but if not it would go straight in the box never to see the light of day again.
Seiko did a fantastic job with this update and i agree having a date is a plus point and i actually think this 430 implementation is the best since we get a date that can fade into the background while getting a full set of lumed indices!
Here's a on the fly adjustable clasp that would work on the SPB453 and most Seikos that have a 18mm clasp that are attached by spring bars: amzn.to/4g2vKzF
I can see why 7 would be considered very generous but for me comfort on the wrist is probably the single most important aspect of a watch bc no matter how beautiful or high quality a watch may be, if it doesnt feel smooth and comfortable on my wrist, its barely going to get any wrist time. The Seiko watch head plus the bracelet makes for one of the most comfortable watches i own and its more effortlessly comfortable than the BB41 Monochrome. If we're talking solely about quality then yeah the Tudor bracelet is much better
Both are great looking watches, IMO. Seiko needs to step up their movement game for sure. Especially their 6R movements, they’re just crap. Tudor needs to address those huge slab sides on the case. It just seems lazy. Why can’t they make it have a thinner midcase, which would make it overall look so much better. Your comparison was spot on. But if I was going to spend around $2-3k, I’d probably get a Longines.
I love seiko but I just can’t bring myself to compare these brands. Appreciate the effort though have a good Sunday
lol thank you! I agree in that these likely wont be truly crossed shopped but In the end both watches are in my collection side by side and they fill in a similar role for me: the classic clean black and white diver. And the Seiko wins out most of the time!
Now I want to sell 143, because I want the new better bracelet :(
loool the bracelet really makes a huge difference, I was surprised at how much it improved the experience for me! Hopefully you get a chance to try one on in person or maybe try out a bracelet from Uncle Straps or Strapcode if you havent done so already!
I love Seiko. Having said that, if I had the opportunity to get the Tudor, I probably would.
Which clasp did you get for the Seiko?
Uncle Strap / Strapcode
Please make a video on the latest Seiko release, SLA079
I have a yellow Straphabit FKM Tropic style strap on a Flightmaster that tapers from 21mm-18mm before the end taper. Just checked.
The holy grail strap
First of all, yellow tropic strap on the flightmaster sounds like a fantastic combo! But unfortunately I gave tropic straps a go, i like their look however because they are thicker at the top (by the watch) they dont curve around the wrist as easily and it feels like its cinching in the top of my wrist. I'm just looking for the standard fkm rubber strap I showed my BB41 MC on. Funny thing is that despite the numerous brands and price points, I'm sure that theyre all made at the same factories bc they are all essentially identical and there are no variations in sizing!
I agree about them all being made by the same factory, however the Straphabit ones are different from them in every respect. They make quite a few different designs from step straps and inverted step to iso types out of FKM. I'm a steadfast Original Tropic strap wearer and I wear these now.
@dmits22 yeah I've got straphabit fkm straps in all the sizes I wear! And randomly I saw that they make a really nice thin sail cloth strap which happens to taper 21 to 18. I wear it on my Longines SZT and I love it on that but it unfortunately gets overpowered by the BB41 watch head. So close!
Why are Tudors such slabs though?
Ugh. They really are. I say this as a Black Bay Heritage owner.
Which aftermarket clasp did you get for the Seiko?
Great composition 🎉
I have the SPB143 and want to replace the horrible clasp. Where did you buy yours? Link?
//Johan 🇸🇪
Have you tried reversing the clasp. I couldn't wear mine on my 143 the diver extension dug into corner of wrist after reversed perfect 👌
Did I miss which one has better lume?
A watch, my friend
Like the Seiko because of the date 📅
I don’t think a Tudor buyer would be comparing against the Seiko. The Seiko is awesome for someone like me who will probably never have enough extra money laying around to buy the Tudor. Great comparison video!
But enough money for a Seiko Prospex? Bruv Tudor isnt unreachable.
@@NCSheriff7 You are right. I think if I add up all the money I spent on the 30 watches I bought in the past 2 years I could buy a Tudor Ranger. 😁
Wow, I'm impressed. You should buy more
@@4bsitu My wife recently found out that my watch case has a 2nd level. She did not know that the 12 in the box is actually 24. 🤣
Is the bracelet of the new Seiko compatible with the spb143?
Nope, two totally different bracelets. The new bracelet is slimmer. The SPB 453 is far superior to the 143. Fit, finish movement. I used to lose time with the 143, the 453 keeps perfect timing.
Team Seiko even if the movement and the clasp are dogshit fiking garbage.The Tudor will always remain the cheap Rolex.🤑🥴
TUDOR IS A FAKE ROLEX😂😂😂😂😂
I want to love the Seiko more than I do. The biggest problem for me is the bracelet doesn’t look like it fits the case, like many Seikos. I don’t understand why Seiko doesn’t make a bracelet that looks like it fits the case.
I think the bezel on the seiko is now anodized aluminium
When people are saying #MAMACOO is a better option for buying a watch,I very much agree!
IMO, they missed the mark with the new 453, sub par movement, no on the fly adjustment on the clasp, bad taper and the bezel with every min marker. And they're bold to ask over $1k? wildddddd.
I'd take a skx007 over the spb453 any day.
You’ll be crazy if you do the SPB 453 is far more superior. It is worth every penny. I don’t regret a dime I spent on this watch. You’re focused on the name on the dial and not looking at the quality. If it had Omega on the dial I bet you would spend 4 x’s the price and wouldn’t bat an eye. I’m telling this model is rock solid in all ways. I was iffy in the clasp myself until I put it on and not I can imagine what it would be like with another kind of clasp. It keeps the bracelet slim. Super comfortable
The Seiko wins if your not interested in accuracy. Me personally hope Seiko makes quartz versions of these watches.
Now that i look at it, the Tudor's side profile is boring, or down right ugly. Looks like the bezel was just pressed on top of a slab of stainless steel case.
I mean, if you want the monochrome with a rubber strap, the factory Tudor option has a great taper and retains the T-fit. It kind of feels like the "strapmonsterability" section was a bit of a liberty to ensure that the Seiko came out ahead. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you preferring it over the Monochrome, but all of your issues with the bracelet and rubber options that impacted its scoring, could have been entirely mitigated by getting the rubber strap version.
Strap monster means it must be able to fit with a wide variety of straps, not just the OEM strap. The Tudor is awful on the strap because of the lug positioning being so far away from the main case. The huge gap is an eyesore and requires an end link to fill because it's clearly designed first and foremost to be worn on the bracelet.
There is no Date on the Tudor. I’m going Seiko
having a date window is nice especially one thats as well executed as the one on this Seiko. I'm in the minority but i think its awesome that the 453 gives us the date and a full set of indices!
No date is the best feature it’s got. Unless you’re having some memory issues. I don’t need to refer to my watch to remember that it’s the 25th all day. And then tomorrow it will be the 26th…all day. I guess my memory is photographic 🤓
The date placement on the Seiko is an atrocity
@@Pete22222it’s not necessarily memory issues, but it’s nice not having to remember the number of the day of the month we’re in. Specially for me, since I work night shift, sometimes more than 7 nights in a row.
I like no date. It’s way easier to set without messing with the date wheel
Comparing the Tudor Black Bay to the Seiko SPB453 can be considered ridiculous because the two watches cater to entirely different markets, with significant differences in brand heritage, positioning, craftsmanship, and pricing. Here's a solid argument:
1. Brand Heritage and Positioning
Tudor Black Bay: Tudor is a luxury brand with a deep-rooted connection to Rolex, its parent company. The Black Bay line is designed to capture the essence of classic dive watches, combining Swiss luxury watchmaking with historical design cues. Tudor is positioned as a premium brand, appealing to enthusiasts who value heritage, prestige, and a high level of craftsmanship.
Seiko SPB453: Seiko is a brand known for offering a wide range of watches, from affordable to mid-tier, with a focus on value, innovation, and reliability. The SPB453 is part of Seiko’s Prospex line, which is known for producing professional-grade dive watches at a more accessible price point. Seiko's heritage is more about innovation and functional design than luxury.
2. Price and Market Segment
Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay is positioned in the luxury watch market, with a price tag that reflects its quality, materials, and craftsmanship. It’s designed for those willing to invest in a timepiece that not only performs well but also carries the prestige of Swiss watchmaking.
Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, while a solid and well-made watch, is targeted at a completely different market segment. It’s priced much lower than the Black Bay, appealing to buyers looking for a high-quality dive watch without the luxury price tag. Comparing the two on price alone makes little sense, as they cater to vastly different budgets.
3. Craftsmanship and Materials
Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay features high-end materials such as 316L stainless steel, often with intricate finishes and premium details. It also often includes Tudor’s in-house movement, known for its precision and durability. The overall fit and finish of the Black Bay are on par with luxury standards, offering a superior tactile experience.
Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, while well-crafted, uses materials and movements that are appropriate for its price point. The watch is durable and reliable, but it doesn’t offer the same level of finishing, detailing, or the prestige of an in-house movement like the Black Bay. The craftsmanship is excellent for its category but not comparable to the luxury level of Tudor.
4. Design Philosophy and Appeal
Tudor Black Bay: The Black Bay’s design is rooted in vintage dive watches, offering a blend of modern functionality with historical aesthetics. It’s a watch that appeals to collectors and enthusiasts who appreciate the heritage and luxury aspects of watchmaking.
Seiko SPB453: The SPB453, part of Seiko’s Prospex line, is designed with a focus on practicality and performance, often with a more modern and functional design. It’s a tool watch that emphasizes reliability and durability over luxury, catering to those who need a dependable dive watch without the frills of a luxury brand.
Conclusion
Comparing the Tudor Black Bay to the Seiko SPB453 is ridiculous because they are fundamentally different products aimed at different audiences. The Tudor Black Bay is a luxury timepiece with a focus on heritage, craftsmanship, and prestige, while the Seiko SPB453 is a high-quality, value-oriented dive watch designed for practicality and reliability. Each excels in its respective category, but they serve different purposes and are not directly comparable.
Bla, bla, bla
I’ve tried both watches and the Seiko is way better than the Tudor hands down. The case design and finishing. There is nothing luxurious feeling about the Tudor. FYI Seiko has always had in-house movements, even before it became a thing to brag about. Whereas, Tudor just now stop using ETA movements. I now own the SPB 453 and get compliments by guys wearing Rolex’s.
I would rather buy the IWC mark XX for the tudor money. Maybe a unpopukar opinion btu that watch is imo Leagues more impressive than tudor both heritage wise and design wise.
The Mark XX is a great watch no doubt, they did just the right amount of adjustments and refinements over the mark xviii. To me they're a bit apples and oranges but that just means that they can very easily coexist in a collection! I think that duo would make for a pretty amazing two watch collection
@@thewatchidiot yea generally I dislike mid tier watches as they rely too much on specs trying to outspec something like a submariner but I just don't feel that way about the IWC. It is IWC through and through. Tudor is trying to be rolex with an unbelibable (too good to be true price tag) instead of being the eta movement or eqivalent off the shelf one cased in rolex parts like it originally was supposed to be.
I'm just never gonna buy another Tudor when I know it depreciates and the service cost is the same as a rolex that's the too good to be true part. It's the Volksvagen to Audi. Up front cheaper and spec wise pretty close but in the long run just a bitter aftertaste. Felt the same way about the modern seamasters and longines hydroconquests.
The monochrome jubilee is sold out for a reason. It’s a Tudor monochrome with a jubilee bracelet.
New 143 is growing on me.
BB41 is the most impressive diver I tried on under 8k CAD
Seiko did a really good job refining the new 453 in all the right ways to make the biggest impact. the 143 didnt quite land for me so i wasnt expecting to love the 453 but now I cant stop wearing it! Agreed, the amount of quality Tudor managed to pack into the BB41 is pretty insane
Amazing comparison! You’re the best in the game for this sort of content imo! Would you ever consider a video comparing the 453 to the 143? Also congrats on 20k!!
20K!!!!!!! Congratulations 🎉 Cheers. Love the Seiko. But its the Tudor for me.
Thank you Barry! Its always great to see your comments from the early days! The tudor is a special watch no doubt the feeling of solidity and quality on the wrist is on another level and it happens to be a very handsome watch 😁
I’ve been taking a good hard look at the Black Bay Pro lately. It just looks tough and I’ve been looking for a GMT. Great review as always.
Glad you enjoyed the video! The BB Pro is an awesome watch, I do miss it quite a bit it was such a comfortable watch on the wrist despite it being on the slightly thicker side. And it of course looks fantastic
It’s an amazing time to get a Pro. I see great condition used ones for $2600 and like new ones for around $3200. Amazing value
Buy the latest Tudor GMT then, it is thinner and lighter than the pro.
I don't usually put a comment on UA-cam but hey, it's the greatest review I've ever seen!
And also I am comparing exactly these two watches these few days since I tried both in person last week.
Now it makes me more not sure which one I should go with..😂 I really like the look of tudor which gives me the vintage vibe with retro color of black/white and fewer letters.. but seiko is waay more comfortable to wear for my small wrist and costs me better! And since it's a "diver watch" I wanna use it actively without caring too much of the fact I'm wearing an expensive watch.
Maybe I'll watch it again before buying.
Thank u and keep making great videos!
Hmmm . . . .
The Seiko wins by half a point based on strap compatibility?
Sorry, but you gave the Tudor a surprisingly high score in the Value segment!? A segment that was a bit of a head scratcher. As even as the watches are, the fact that the Seiko realistically costs less than a third of the Tudor would kind of dictate that it's the value king.
Thus taking the final by a commanding margin!
There is no hate on the Tudor, but there's a reason the SPB 143 and now this watch are so widely praised; they just kick ass!! 😅
Cost and value are not the same thing. The more accurate way to look at it, is Value = Features /Spec - Cost.
Seiko's movements are reliable, but not 4hz , not anti-magnetic and not especially accurate. Their quality control is legendarily terrible and their bracelets have always been worst in class at pretty much any price point.
When you compare the Tudor against other METAS certified watches, the value it offers is extremely obvious.
The Seiko is a great design and is way more interesting to look at than the Black Bay, but it's way too expensive for what it actually offers. Saying Seiko is the value king, just isn't true. Maybe 6 to 10 years ago, but definitely not now.
I have the BB41 monochrome too, love it
Seiko better
Why score for strap availability?
For me and many others, being able to swap out straps is really important, so a watch not being compatible with straps we've already spent money on and own can be a downside bc that means we'll need to buy more of the same strap just in a different size for one or maybe two watches. 21mm lugs make things more difficult since most straps dont have 21mm variants. That said if this isnt an issue for you then the Tudor won!
I have a whole 21mm strap collection now for my Hydroconquest, it wasnt too hard. Sure you miss a few here and there that dont come in the size and i must admit ive gone with mostly natos, sailcloth and a couple cheeky leather straps coz i have the facory rubber already as an option. But Barton offer 21mm rubber straps that might be an alright solution.
Yeah I tried out natos and leather straps but I'm mainly a bracelet and a rubber strap guy, although I do wear leather more in the fall and winter. And as for the Barton straps theyre good, but unfortunately they dont taper as much as I'd like them to, and the buckle side of the strap is a touch short (75mm instead the usual 80mm). My main issue is that there are a bunch of 20mm rubber straps I love but they dont have 21mm versions of them unfortunately
I'm hoping third party strap makers will make a nice tapered integrated rubber strap for the new BB41 bc that would solve most of my issues! Until then I'll keep exploring amazon 😂
Seiko has a better design
Great review and discussion. I think if deciding between these exact models and colorways, I'd go for Tudor assuming affording them isn't a problem. However, I have a different idea: Get both but switch the Seiko to the amazing SPB455 which has a tremendous dial with guilt done right.
Do you mind pointing us in the direction of which clasps you like to get to replace Seiko OEM clasps?
Thanks Marc, glad you enjoyed the video! yeah the overall quality of the Tudor is exceptional so if someone can afford it and likes the design then its the way to go. The SPB455 looks pretty good in pictures! I would love to see on in person i think th gray dial with the gilt hands and indices is a very interesting combo that i think could work much better than gilt hands and indices on a black dial
Sure thing, the links are in the description if you want to refer to them at a later date but here are the links to two options ones $8 and the other $18 i believe. The $8 one i like quite a bit bc it keeps things especially light.
Standard 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/48H9EyJ
Upgraded 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/3HD6u3g
@@thewatchidiot thank you sir! Congratulations on the 20K subscribers and keep up the good work!
@marcgirard7551 much appreciated I'm glad you've been along for the ride!! Onwards to much more in 2024 and next year!
I have move past watches without glide lock T-fit or deployment clasp
Yeah nowadays a quick adjust clasp is pretty much a requirement when dealing with these price points!
Great video. I'm still planning on picking up a Black Bay Monochrome in February. The Seiko is nice, but I have a big soft spot for Tudor.
But I am curious what band is on that BB58 Blue? It looks great!
Love the Seiko and will definitely be adding it to my collection…but I feel like Seiko’s Marinemaster SJE101 is a better match for the Tudor
Nice I'm excited for you to get the SPB453! I agree that the MM SJE101 would technically line up more equally against the BB41, however for me its even more difficult to justify considering the stated accuracy range isnt much improved over the 6R in the SPB453. But more importantly, for me at least, they use only a slightly nicer version of the clasp with that stupid divers extension! Given the overall value of the SPB453, its hard to consider any other versions of the 62MAS
Seiko is so HANSOME
Still can't change my mind that I still want the tudor master chronometer!!
I prefer the Seiko
can't get past the date window placement
Can’t stand 6r movements. The ONLY thing holding me back from buying the Seiko. Every 6r I’ve had has had wild positional variance and even one just stopped working. Maybe I just have REALLY bad luck.
Oh wow that really sucks to hear! Have you considered getting them regulated by a watchmaker? These movements can be super accurate post regulation. Its also possible to adjust it yourself but results will of course vary lol, I adjusted my SKX on my own but I'm not sure I would risk adjusting any watch north of 1k
You are not alone. Seiko mid tiers movements are pure crap. Clasp is junk too.
Seiko looks good on the outside but movements are crap unless it is a grand seiko. Sinn beats them in accuracy, not to mention Tudor.
@@georgeuy2097 I had very bad experiences with 6R movements. Now I only buy SLA's with 8L.
My 6R15 movements have been excellent but once they slowed down the rate to 3 hz in the 35 it’s been a crapshoot; only higher end Seiko movements from now on for me, looking at an SLA047 as my next diver. Also looking at Sinn for my next GADA watch.
Excellent review both are amazing! One question, do you think the spb453 bracelet would fit on the spb143? Are they the same end links or can you just swap the end links? thanks in advance!
the 453 bracelet wont fit the 143 :)
@@MacGeiver damn, know if you can end link swap them?
i love seiko but often the +/- drives me bonkers with at the end of the month the watch being significantly off.... is there a seiko movement that's more accurate?
Their 8L movements are more accurate but a lot more expensive.
Yes literally all of their quartz
I have had my SPB 453 for a month now and it has kept perfect time!
@@spuckuk7039 no kidding …
great comparison ... you're the best :)
You're far too kind! Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video!
You can’t even compare a tutor to a Seo tutor so far above
Why not? He Is doing it, and I can tell you I have a submariner AND a seamaster and I prefer me spb453
I’m sorry, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON in the Tudor & Seiko… Reason is, the movement that Tudor does in house is amazing, & all the lines of the Tudor & excellent was the bracelet meets the case is spot on & flows awesome. Again, just my opinion, but seiko has no chance against the Tudor
I can’t disagree with you enough regarding the comfort of the 5 link bracelet on the BB41 Monochrome. It’s far and away the most comfortable bracelet I’ve ever worn, with the Tudor Ranger bracelet a close second. The oval links softly and uniformly hug the wrist, and is superior to other true jubilee bracelets I’ve worn.
A great comparison TWI. I think my takeaway from this one is that these two watches are definitely worth a second look at there individual price points and both great watches period. I have not tried either of these watches but I do have watches by Tudor and Seiko in my collection. Design as you mention is usually more adventurous and exiting with Seiko but build and finish would probably go to the less exciting Tudor design. Movements are harder to compare given the different price points but the Seiko should be easier to find someone to service it. Bracelet wise for me I would pick the Tudor over many brands, the T-Fit is brilliant (The Pelagos clasp is even better IMHO) and the Oyster style is super comfortable in my experience and I'm not bothered about the faux rivets at all. Is the Tudor worth the extra cost? Well I'll let other make that decision for themselves a they will be paying for and wearing the watch. Many thanks for sharing.
I own the 1st reissue SPB053 and the BB58 blue and while I love both, Seiko needs to make much better bracelets, and, more importantly, needs to regulate their calibers to better specifications from the factory. Plain and simple. Their cool designs can only get them so far (for the prices they’re asking), in my probably incorrect opinion! 😂
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from amzwatch I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
I love the new Seiko updates but prefer the brushed bezel of the original 143 (which I have) do you have a link to the replacement clasp you got for the bracelet? I have the same issues with the overly large diver’s extension and you could use the clasp for morse code it rattles so much. Love the video!
Great video! Would you mind linking to the clasp you recommended foe the seiko. I bout the seiko mm300 to replace mine but i don't like how whej the micro adjust leaves a large gap when it's extended.
Edit: i see you did link it in the description! But does that clasp have on-the-fly/quick micro adjustment?
The Seiko case shape looks good on the strap. The Tudor looks unfinished will the lug gaps and the visual of the curve part of the case like it's not meant to be off the bracelet.
You have a pelagos 42 .. so which is better in your opinion the pelly or the mono? And which would you keep if you could only keep one
Fully graduated bezel wins it for Seiko in my silly opinion. It just keeps it looking more balanced.
as much as that Tudor is well known favorite among enthusiasts, that Seiko though...just wow....
I went for the SRPL13 black samurai instead because it was cheaper!😅 . Quite a watch for that price.
can you link the amazon clasp you replaced the seiko bracelet with? thanks
“It’s the same dial on a Black Bay.” Real exciting reporting there, bud.
I don't care about the other stuff, the Seiko just looks way better.
That Seiko is crazy nice. I just can't spend a rack on Seiko.
Very helpful video review. Thanks for doing this for us.
What aftermarket clasp did you go with for the seiko?
I don't know if it makes sense to compare watches of different price ranges. The Tudor is much more expensive and therefore it is clear that it has a better movement and the bracelet and clasp are better. But anyway, I would prefer the Seiko because the Tudor does not justify the big price difference In my opinion.
Both are great options in their respective price points.
Tudor for the movement and snowflake hand set.
I own both
Which clasp did you swap the original out for?
Don’t. The claim on it. Kept the profile of the bracelet slim and balanced. It’s really comfortable. You need to put it on to see.
Its 21st century and seiko is still failing to integrate lugs of the case and bracelet...Still 1mm gap is visible bracelet do not extend to the end of the lugs and do not match the case's lines.it's disgusting..LOL...aliexpress 100$ dollars cases have better integration..
I don’t know what watch you’re looking at but my SPB 453 has no gaps between the lugs and the bracelet. They fixed all of that. I’m telling you the watch is solid!
@@kingflip8257 they are solid but not good ingregration on the case, almlst 1mm Gap is seeing from the left and right on the case. It so shame they are nir deliver quality for the amount of money they are asking, even steinhart for 600 euros have better integrated bracelet.
I am a fan of both brands. I have a Monochrome and also several Seikos. Honestly, the difference in refinement between these two models is huge. The two movements are like night and day in terms of technology and quality. The same can be said for the bracelets and clasps.
The overall quality of the tudor is better i agree but its also 3x more expensive so for me once the stupid seiko clasp is swapped out the quality of the watch head plus the comfort of the bracelet and consequently the entire watch is amongst the best. That said comfort on the wrist happens to be just about the most important factor for me. A watch can be beautiful and super high quality but if it doesnt feel comfortable it will end up with little to no wrist time
@@thewatchidiot What I love about a watch like the Monochrome is that it's a completely homogenous whole of very high quality. The case, the bracelet, the T-fit, the movement, bezel action, crown action : no compromises. Everything is impeccable. If you are happy with a mediocre movement and a $10 third party clasp, that is fine too but it's definitely not for me.
How about a video on what aftermarket clasps you have used/suggest for your Seiko bracelets?
Yeah thats an option! But in the meantime here are the clasps I use. The one you see on my bracelet in this video is a miltat 18mm clasp with 6 microadjust holes that i cant seem to find (other than a black version). I actually like the $8 one quite a bit since its light and it doesnt weigh down the watch as much as the version in the video.
Standard $8 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/48H9EyJ
Upgraded $18 18mm clasp replacement: amzn.to/3HD6u3g
@@thewatchidiot awesome, thank you for the quick reply. subbed
Sorry, but comparing Seiko vs Tudor? And Seiko wins!? I dont think so..
I hate to be the guy. I love watches from all price ranges but frankly Seiko is just not there. They’ve destroyed the brand with their models, pricing and brand positioning. Anything that is not grand Seiko is just on the same spectrum of a 300 dollar Seiko and that’s the problem. This model just isn’t worthy of a Black Bay comparison. Just my 2 cents.
But the Seiko movement will last a lot longer than tudor. Because my north flag which was 5 years which started to become gritty when winding it .
Wow, you couldn’t have been more wrong of you tried. You cannot with a straight face say that Seiko prospect or presage are not great watches. You can go and buy a $150-$300 Seiko right now and you can tell it’s a $300 Seiko. But to even elude that the SBP 453 is nothing more than SKX is insane. The SPB 453 is worth every penny of the $1,300 asking price to get it any lower is a steal. If that dial had omega on it, people would drop 4-5k on it and would think twice about, even praise it as a deal, but because it has S-E-I-K-O on the dial somehow it’s over priced. It’s nothing more than watch snobbery.
Let's say the click bait title stands, and both watches are back to "basic", why is the other one overpriced? Oh i know! It's the " swiss" made artificial pedigree crap the swiss marketing machine wants consumer to believe