@@BruceKendallMartinJr Ish is about business. He would have been dumb to vote for Kamala. I think he said he voted for her just to prove he's not against Black women.
Only because he's pandering? Or other things also? The topic about women are more likely to do this or that, Ford and Mark turned it to. Everybody does that not just women. But it's facts that if it was reversed and the crew said that men does blah blah blah. Ford and Mark would definitely agree that's that is topical male behavior. But in reverse it, ahhh everybody does that.
Marc is easily the only person on this show who can keep track of everyone’s points and address them intelligently. Everyone else jumps all over the place without realizing it
BS. He just throws the same msm talking points. He got smoked by ish when it comes to how the unemployment number is calculated. Sure, it's low. But REAL wage growth is way lower than under Trump. Fact. Part times jobs are up and full time jobs are down. Fact.
@@adriancampbell428 it’s simply a benefit of sober clean living. He gets caught up too tho, someone calls him out then gets to tap dancing 🕺🏾 😆. I’ve seen Candace get him in that mode most easily
Im offended as a black man that people think that I would vote based on Trick Trick and if other black men actually do. If other black men are basing their votes on rappers and singers instead of facts we are doomed as a people anyway.
They gotta do stupid shit like that otherwise to appeal to the undecided/non-voters. It’s prob not the reason someone cares, but maybe the reason they vote
Well sir that's exactly what they do...its no different than making a breakfast appearance or talking about cleaning collards in a tub. It's that sad way of trying to build a connection with people that don't follow politics
@@therealmccoy269no it’s disconnected political people lying in our faces to pretend that they care about our interests. They are all self serving but “Suck and Jive” to us to get our votes on bf club and then suck the wealthy donors who got them elected off when they’re in office.
Both parties did the same exact thing. Democrats brought out Meg, Cardi, Beyonce and had taylor swift promoting her. It's the pander Olympics. Both parties suck. That's why I had to keep hearing vote for the lesser of two evils the past 3 Olympics. Which is fucking stupid. How about nor voting for evil at all? But yall not ready for that conversation
Hey Mark, whenever a child in preschool doesn’t react to bullying or aggression from other children, it’s because usually they’re confused. They are uncertain how to react because they are still really new to the world. They are shocked that someone is being such a jerk to them because they are not used to anger, aggression, taking things without permission at home or in their life so far. They’re kind of getting that first taste of the real world sadly. It speaks volumes about their home life- and big volumes about the other child’s life. So I wouldn’t worry about his personality because of this. He’s showing constraint in a confusing time.
Marc is an amazing addition to this podcast. He actually uses his brain and is good at critical thinking. He’s really making the rest of the guys show their behind. I genuinely hope they learn something from him
Definitely, some of them are desperate to sound informed and make jokes about the wrong topics, and then still get all emotional about it when he reasons it out.
I LOVE Marc. What a wonderful addition to the cast and another person to help Mel argue with you guys 🤣🤣. And Mel tries to speak but you step all over her and cut her off, and her personality is not boisterous.
Mark was an excellent choice as an additional cast member! He is much needed! I love how he doesn’t back down from his point and he speaks with passion and not anger like some of the others
I really really like him on the pod, I just hope he doesnt eventually get frustrated with having to voice opinions to people who are dedicated to misunderstanding valid points
Lmao I'm sure you are just absolutely all knowing on politics huh? Something like 90% of people are woefully uninformed on politics so you must really hate your life around here😅
Especially Marc he talking about her legalizing weed to stop black men from going to prison when she was apart of the three strike law and makes all of this shit about race when it’s not
Marc Lamont Hill is the most emotional intelligent person on this platform that can debate and articulate himself in a way that's quick. It's attractive and makes me want to research, understand and learn more. I hope he gets a plug on the show.
Hes very intelligent and his CNN background shows. But he sometimes too smart for his own good. He argues in circles sometimes, just like they do on CNN. That Accountability argument was kinda strawman.
@ they’re committed to misunderstanding him which is why he circles his point. He says har he means but they intentionally misrepresent what he’s saying
because these guys are saying things that made black people vote for Trump and Marks argument is how Trump is going to pull it off???? he is promising things he wont be able to deliver
I hear you, but I think there were 3 different points that Marc mentioned. All of their points either landed on points 1 or 2 (that's the parts where he said "I agree with you"), the issue was that point 3 of Marc's points was not acknowledged.
@thirdeyesha114 Exactly. He kept laying out his belief about point 3 and they kept responding in the realm of points 1 & 2. He even kept SAYING that they were doing that and they still couldn't keep up. Shit was getting on my nerves.
Marc did agree with their points the whole time. They felt like he didn’t because he’s saying that multiple parts played a factor. Every time the bring up a point he says “ i agree” and then elaborates on the agreement but also finishes with there are still a myriad of reasons she didn’t win. They feel like because he won’t blame it 100% on her not relating to the public that he doesn’t agree with their points. They also are trying to allude to the fact that being black and a woman played no parts at all they just don’t wanna say it directly from worry of being attacked. Mostly Ish and Joe letting to say it’s lazy to blame it on the black woman piece and Marc is saying that it’s not the main reason but still exists. Even it were only 5%, that’s still an ingredient in the mix. That’s all. Literally everyone who isn’t bias to Kamala knows that she did a poor job across the board.
Thank God for Marc being on this show. He gives the conversation balance. This would’ve been a very different conversation without him. Keep him on the show!!!!!
Marc makes complete sense and calls them out on their BS by educating them in the most humble and respectful way with logical examples facts history, and an unbiased gendered mindset and they truly hate that. And I literally love the JBP so much.
Thank you!! Finally found a unicorn in here. They must didn't watch the episode when Mel swore she apologized to Ish by sending the wrong "Ish" an apology that he never got.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Joe, Ish, or Ice say there were wrong 😂 yall definitely hold Mel to a way stricter standards than the dudes lol they all trash
@@Damian-zu6ls nahhh, all the men up there are self-proclaimed hypocrites, LITERALLY accountable for being unaccountable, Mel just can't seem to own up to her shit, even during this very topic 🤣
@@Damian-zu6lsYou're exactly right. Joe will hold *10 toes down* on an argument he's clearly lost or knowingly lies about. Ish is always bringing this to light. Marc is saying exactly what sensible people are seeing
The Michelle Obama point is so good. They attack her when they think she is a political threat. They bitched and complain for trying to improve school lunches
This episode proved the point about how people view Harris, because every person on that cast had a laundry list of critiques for Harris and could barely acknowledge anything wrong with Trump but then claimed that they didn't vote for him
Honestly after you cause an insurrection in the nations capitol after you lose an election because your followers are a cult, there’s not much else that needs to be said.
Their focus was on why she lost not why Trump won so why would they focus on his missteps if he won. When analyzing failure you need to analyze how it happened.
@@sebastienc.2257 maybe it was her disrespecting Christian and her calling Gen Z dumbasses her not answering a single political question and bringing Trump up like an ex-husband. Yeah I’m pretty sure there’s multiple reasons why she got her ass whooped in the election.
Bro as a fellow California native here in LA, I was fucking disgusted when he said that. Ever since that moment, I stopped caring or having any credence to what he and Mel(she agreed) said.
Bro stop the bs. Kamala was given too us !! We never even got to pick the democrat nominee 😂😂 Weird time in America when these are 40+ year old people who have no idea why the election went the way it did. SMH
Ok, stop acting like she's a random women on the street. She is the VP, if its not biden it made a lot of sense for it to be her. And she is significantly better than biden, who people did vote as the nominee.
@@TDizz202if you a grown adult and don’t inform yourself than don’t fucking complain about groceries or taxs being high when you do nothing to change the elected officials
Honestly; great first 1st hour of dialogue. The cast has hit it right on the nail as to why the presidential election went the way it did. Great push back by both couches and an amazing display of intelligence amongst the team. Keep at it.
SHOUTOUT!!!-QueenFlip frfr for realizeing that everyone constantly interrupts Mel constantly and that shit always bothers me then you guys try and bash her for not talking as much on the podcast. Well, how do you expect her to talk on the podcast when you guys are constantly interrupting her from talking? It’s not fair. It is bullshit again shut Flip for having Mel‘s back and not interrupting her as much this episode and at least recognizing that she’s being interrupted constantly!!!!!
@@Stinkyjuda Is she really CONSTANTLY interrupted or is she just taking SO long to get to the point that they have talk over her just to keep the pod flowing?🧐
Flip interrupts her all the time he’s just tender on her cause he likes her lol bruh was dying to touch her hand @1:04:35 😂 AND THEN CONTINUES TO INTERRUPT HER @1:55:25 🤣
I’m so glad Marc is on the show. It’s sooo important to have this point of view from a man because they talk right over Melissa Ford sometimes. Great conversation
Seriously like they represent probably the number one reason why Dems don’t improve and get held accountable, because when OTHER DEM VOTERS.l start talking about what needs to be fixed in THEIR party mfs need to jsit focus on that and not bring up trump and the Repubs any more. It’s a huge issue and if for the next four years we do that, we either get JD Vance or Biden 2.0 as our next prez.
@@TheJonkharif23 Marc was jst saying that they weren't graded on the same scale they're kicking Kamala's back in for her strategy but bigging up Trump for employing that same strategy they were literally contradicting themselves and moving the goalpost to make Kamala look bad shit got weird after awhile considering they voted for her they did all that jst to ultimately agree w Marc's point that Kamala being a black woman had her at a disadvantage shit was redundant this is why they shouldn't argue politics with sb as educated as Marc that shit will never end lol
Basically, black men were offended because they expected her (as a black woman) to be more in tune with culture and meet them at the cookout BECAUSE she's black. And that proves Marc's point, you expect MORE from her because of her RACE, rather than judging her from the same LOW bar you judge everyone else. Let's keep it a buck, and be honest
She is even black y’all are so goofy and will accept anything that gives you status closer to white women your strife and fight for rights is just to be like white women 😂
If yall can’t see that so many ppl that claim to have voted for Kamala ACTUALLY voted for Trump, y’all are blind! All these podcasters saying they voted blue but they host shows defending Trump. Ppl are just scared to say it!
Mel just became a citizen in February in 2024 after having a green card for over 5 years. I applied easily online in October 2023. Received my interview letter in November. Got interviewed in January and done in February!! $725 and trust me you dont need a lawyer at all!!
Mel is right on the hope issue. I think Trump had more of an “enough is enough, Imma fix this, follow me” energy. Obama was more like “let’s hold hands and get through this together…somehow, someway…” it’s a different type of hope, I guess.
Tomato, Tomato. People voted for him because they had hope, no cares about the multiple meanings of the word. It's shit like this that has Democratic voters keep sleeping at the wheel.
I really hope the time comes soon for Mel to leave this pod.. This workplace is not healthy for her. And i really hope Joe grows as a person otherwise we gone see him destroy another career
STRIP CLUBS - I never understood why men will go put and work hard, tak 1K, 5,K, 20K or even 50K and throw it in a strip club and think its a flex. Meanwhile, the local food pantry, boys and girls club or just a kid in the hood is lacking the funds to meet their needs. Black men will put on all white designers clothing and shoes, go throw money at the strip club and think ots a flex, celebrate prision release, never HS or college graduations, then complain about issues in the community. The culture does not make sense, at all. If you have money, wasting it is a flex and we wonder why crime is so high. Making flexing saving money.
I live in Atlanta and I’ve never been to a strip club. The concept never made sense to me. I still have buyers remorse for some sneakers I bought in the 90’s. If I spent $1k at a strip club I would need therapy.
And then want to blame government for our lack of progress. The victim mentality is comical when as a culture we have shot ourselves in the foot by glorifying all the wrong things.
Youre also apart of the problem. You exclude yourself and others that are smart with money as if you are not also apart of "the culture"....Im assuming ur black...if so you are apart of the culture. Humans only focus on the worse of everything theres plenty of Black Men that dont go to strip clubs and most dont even have 1k, 5k to even do that. And in reality what's to say what is a waste of money? You like fine wines, or vacations, or collecting paintings, or traveling. Its all a waste technically. People generally want to enjoy themselves understandably. And i know for a fact that you have some guilty pleasure that you Probrably wont admit on here.
They literally named soo many reasons not to vote for Kamala yet shamed folks for not voting for Kamala...my timeline is filled with a lot of celebrities promoting idealism and regular people explaining what our real life circumstances are...she wasn't the right candidate, period
The whole basis of the argument is that Kamala wasn't as good at presenting lies and putting on a show for Americans. As was said the economy by all metrics right now is trending upward and America is currently the top nation from a economical standpoint. That DOES NOT matter to at least 80% of people in the US as most of them are ignorant to the actual state of the economy\country and vote based off "vibes". Perpare for everything to get even more expensive once Trump inacts tariffs on everything and we have to foot the bill.
And trump was?? I don’t get how someone can see all the negative aspects of Kamala but turn a blind eye to Trump like he’s much better, trash is trash g
@@Damian-zu6lsthat’s what a lot of you are missing. She was campaigning as the alternative to Trump so she can’t be held to the same standard as him. You are either offering a better and different solution or you’re not. Simple as that.
“Humans have a hard time not just women even the playing field 🤬🤬🤬”…….except we’re talking about women rn , and I’m pretty sure according to you this would be called “whataboutism” 😂😂 but since it’s not in favor of her bs suddenly it’s not
@@staymadloser7754 I wouldn’t categorize descendants as African natives that were dragged here from their original home to be put into slavery ‘immigrants’… Africans are the only race that didn’t/doesn’t flock here in masses (with the exception of Jamaica/Haiti [whom happened to be originated by slave trade])… the word ‘immigrant’ would suggest a person that migrated VOLUNTARILY,,, which is not the case for many of the BLACK population in America… I say this as a Black Lives MAGA member,,, but what you’re not going to do is mis_categorize Black Americans and group them into every other race in this country (with the exception of the original Natives)… Kamala was a terrible prosecutor in California/ had parents arrested for their kids truancies/ held evidence against a black man on death row/ was literally a DEI hired by Biden because he wanted ‘a black woman VP’ even after they were most visceral towards each other in the democratic debates/ did nothing as VP (while Al Gore was out here assisting in developing the internet/ giving no excuse for her inactivity)/ can’t formulate an original thought/ lacks authenticity/ definitely had a 304 phase with Downtown Willy Brown/ Montell Williams etc./ threw Meg/Cardi/Redd out here as the representatives of BLACK ppl when it’s debatable whether she’s even BLACK herself 🤦🏾♂️🤣
@@staymadloser7754Blacks in America that are descendants of slaves aren’t immigrants… the word ‘immigrant’ suggests that someone migrated from one place to another VOLUNTARILY,,, which isn’t the case for a large number of Black ppl in America…
By adding Marc which is a good look but him and Ish are too intellectual for Flip. They engage in intellectual conversation and Flip interjects with dumb takes. He's definitely out of place now and probably needs to think a little more before he speaks.
Hell no doofus, people like flip are needed. They keep you grounded, ya so called intellectual mf’s get real big heads when ya FEEL ya right, mf’s like Flip remind ya that ya are not hot sh*t just cause.
His points and questions may not benefit you, but it's still integral that he participate regardless how ignorant it is, it's an opportunity for him to learn. Isolating people like him is exactly part of the problem with Democratic voters.
@@114Thee if he shuts up he may never get answers to potential questions he and other viewers similar to him may have. they are all important pieces to relay every point of view on a topic
Mel speaks from a privilege of being a biracial woman raised in a white environment in French Canada.. NOT of a Black womans perspective here living and from the US. Idk why she can’t stop speaking in absolutes with such distain for men esp black men
Marc makes this more enjoyable for me. Often times the guys just walk over Mel in. Conversation and they done respect her perspective. It seems like they may push back on Matc but bc he’s a man, they didn’t just trample over him. It’s crazy bc it just shows how effed up ppl treat you when you have an opinion that differs from the majority,
Thank God for Marc because this would have been an entire episode of all the men agreeing with Joe again….because they not gone let Mel get too many words out and Ice wasn’t saying anything. Keep Marc on the show.
I must say that I enjoyed everybody on this episode. Including you Flip. Marc Lamont, I think I love you. He’s funny, smart and fits well with everybody. Great pod.
I like mlh. Mel was trying soo hard for weeks to bite her tongue wen he’s around but big sista had to let it out. She doesnt like being called out on her accountability issues.
I'm so glad Ish called out the bs behind "low unemployment" claims.. like yeah this person isn't on the system anymore, but now they're at Taco Bell working for $9/hr.. like is that even a fucking win? A lot of these topics that pop up every 4 years are wayyyyy more nuanced than people make it seem.
Where the minimum $9 a hour damn? Those people should really learn a trade if they are working that low we’re all capable of doing better than where we are at today my boy
@@mgates7628meth talk…… you really don’t want to work huh “why try hard bro it’s not worth it” stay broke selling them 3.5s then foo idgaf not my bills
@@advanced8998 yes, and i agree with you but... he does it in every single argument. just watched his debate with candance owens and he does the same thing.
@@Silver_Joystixnah...if u can't understand the other side then you are just lost in the debate...hence why ish failed to understand what marc was getting at and it seems s you did too. Too busy digging ur heels in
How difficult is it for people to understand that folks viewed Kamala as inauthentic and pandering? It has nothing to do with what she didn't address and everything to do with the type of person people saw her as.
Bruh. You realize you're voting for the president right? Not homecoming queen. Her policies were better than his across the board, but you focusing on the fact she was pandering??? Yea no sh!t she's trying to get your vote, that's the point. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
@@IsaAC-ct5rxIt’s possible to achieve both things at once. This was not Kamala’s first time running for POTUS and it was certainly not the first time people accused her of coming across as disingenuous and inauthentic. Her 107-day election cycle was an excellent case study in how important it is for voters to be able to relate to the candidates placed in front of them.
@Silver_Joystix do you understand the double standard here? Her criticism is that she comes across as disingenuous... trump literally lies at every rally. Lied during his presidency (especially during covi d and it cost people their lives). He S A'd a woman.....and still gets to be president. Wild af.
@@IsaAC-ct5rxSo you wanted kids to be able to have the choice of sterilizing themselves and butchering their bodies when they're not old enough to get a tattoo?
@@Kashiefmvnnobody said they wouldn’t have and the fact that you say race doesn’t matter when Obama being black was a huge part of BOTH campaigns and they were calling him and her the most racist ish is crazy, you just lying tbh
To be clear, MARK is saying everyone is complaining about VP Harris's points but not Donald's points because he had nothing to offer. It's bad faith comparison to hold her to standards that he isn't held to. He said whatever he could, she discussed plans and ideas. They complain about celebs as if he didn't do the same. He was a better showman for the most part, because Americans clearly only care about a show.
Most americans dont know what ta riffs are. They think china pays them. They dont understand how it actually affects american companies and thus american consumers.
@@janeli4616lol she just doesn’t wanna get natural life. How do you have the money but don’t tell your lawyer to do it but you don’t have the time to do it yourself.
The Mel bullying was very uncomfortable this episode. It’s cool to get your jokes off but she was visibly getting upset multiple times and they just kept going. If that was Ice getting in his feelings like that they wouldn’t have done all of that
And that's exactly how the average voters votes....so in the conversation joe and ish were right alot of that kamala spoke on them white men and Hispanic men don't care about
@Peopleofthesun386 You have to realize that people vote mostly on feelings as the promises either candidate makes have no guarantee of coming to fruition. Joe and Ish are explaining why Kamala failed to capture the emotion and motivation of voters, and all Marc could do was try to imply that they're just racist and sexist.
@@williamjackson6294nah hes not saying it’s just racism and sexism he is saying that, that the 3rd point is the package you come in can effect if some ppl resonate with you, or will feel you. Trump pardon a couple clebs 🎉 She make plan to help get some regular ppl in jail for selling weed out 🤬 (that’s offensive)
@williamjackson6294 no he was not he said that was a reason one of many and he is correct. Marc point is that is not all the fault of the politician it's also the voters. The average voter is extremely lazy and dumb.
The truth is Kamala was a horrible choice and had a horrible campaign. Nobody who supported her could name a policy that made her the DEFINITIVE candidate for president
@ but he knew how to cater to his audience and crowd. Kamala didn’t cater to anybody. She had concerts that were useless and could never say anything she would do different from Biden! Her whole campaign was about trying to belittle Trump instead of focusing on what she would do different from Biden & Trump
I like when yall stick to entertainment but when yall talk about ANYTHING intellectual, yall sound ignorant as hell...Marc and Melissa are the only two people who speak with common sense here
Kamala was tied to an unpopular president since she’s the VP, she refused to differentiate herself from said president whenever she had the chance, she ducked tons of interviews (including Joe Rogan which got 40+ million views for the Trump episode) and did her first interview with her VP pick, flip-flopped on controversial stuff, never spoke consistently with passion about anything except abortion, and was never willing to go out on a limb on anything (anytime the media critiqued an economic policy, she ran away from it). She was a terrible candidate. All the above made her seem either weak or untrustworthy
The problem with your whole statement is that she didn't even have time to prepare to run. She had 107 days. Trump has had years. Stop blaming Kamala for the loss
@@rellyrelishes Kamala was dealt a bad hand but nothing I said requires Kamala to need more than 107 days. One example is differentiating herself from Biden. The View straight up asked her what would she do differently and she said nothing comes to mind. If you’re the successor to an unpopular president, that one of the first things you should have an answer to. She had far more than 107 days (over 4 years) to think about how she’s different than Biden given how she ran against him in 2020 and spent all these years having an up close and personal look at his policies. The only way you improve is by looking at what you did wrong
Fair statement (as a harris voter) i agree with what you said above, however, her opponent was never going to get my vote. Why? His policies AND personal conduct. Pick your poison, and the people chose.
Marc went from leading a post election panel full of political experts on Al Jazeera to screaming with flip about basic common sense lmaooo he has the patience of a saint. True definition of get you a man that can do both ✨
As a woman listener, thank god Marc is there to showcase their discrepancies in all of their points. Always calls it out and they never have a good enough rebuttal.
@@Guywho_is Marc and Melissa, especially Marc are more educated on politics as opposed to the rest of the pod members. They should have Roland Martin on to really educate them. They’d definitely shut up and listen when someone is coming with concrete facts. And that’s something our community needs.
I get what yall is saying but Mark has a point that yall keep missing. Race and being a woman is a huge factor. For example, Joe Rogan is no better than JBP, why was politicians even considering Rogan over JBP. To that, race is a huge factor to that
@@samblackwell8308 I’m lmao at all the people saying the same exact thing like “Marc is a great addition to the pod “ they ALL have something in common 😂😂 Marc might be King Pander
What did trump say he was going to do for the cost of living? Chilcare? Groceries? Housing? What convinced people that voted for for him based on the economy and inflation that he would make your life better? What policy did he mention?
Lmao self hatred? Because people pay attention to policy vs pandering. Her campaign was trash! She was also given a insane amount of money for her campaign like 31 million. All that money went to her
@@elborichu1 he was the president already. If all you heard was tariffs, you are showing your ignorance and where you get your news. Do some research and stop saying talking points from the news lol.
@ dummy what does being a horrible president have to do with his proposal 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂 all he said was tariffs 😂 rent is high? Tariffs ! Gas is high ? Tariffs, food is expensive? Tariffs 😂😂 but for you cult members that’s enough 😂😂 gtfoh
@ oooo my bad I forgot to mention his repealing of gender affirming care on day one 😂😂🤦🏽♂️ because that’s going to help people’s pockets 😂😂 and yeah he’s a tariffs guy ! Rent is high? Tariffs, gas is high? Tariffs, food is expensive? You guessed it tariffs 😂😂 I guess the maga cult loves tariffs !
Gotta say, I really love the podcast with the addition of Marc! It feels way more balanced.
All of them said they voted for kamala but defended trump the whole time.. Somebody lying😂😂😂😂
Ish lying fasho...he would never vote for a woman😂😂😂 Ice and Joe voted Kamala and Flip did eeny meent Minny mo
And why they talking so light about this, this affects our lives! But get mad about a rap song!
I’m glad you caught that 😂
@@tj2nasty4ya83 Exactly! And we should stop shaming blacks for no longer identifying as democrats.
@@BruceKendallMartinJr Ish is about business. He would have been dumb to vote for Kamala. I think he said he voted for her just to prove he's not against Black women.
_Mark, THANK YOU for your additions to the show!_
_It balanced the conversation._
Exactly
Only because he's pandering?
Or other things also?
The topic about women are more likely to do this or that, Ford and Mark turned it to. Everybody does that not just women. But it's facts that if it was reversed and the crew said that men does blah blah blah. Ford and Mark would definitely agree that's that is topical male behavior. But in reverse it, ahhh everybody does that.
@@tykendrick800No, he does a better job of representing the points I think Mel wants to get across.
@@jancysof so, it's the pandering
@ No pandering if it’s genuine, he’s been consistent in these beliefs.
Marc is easily the only person on this show who can keep track of everyone’s points and address them intelligently. Everyone else jumps all over the place without realizing it
BS. He just throws the same msm talking points. He got smoked by ish when it comes to how the unemployment number is calculated. Sure, it's low. But REAL wage growth is way lower than under Trump. Fact. Part times jobs are up and full time jobs are down. Fact.
Seeing him casually talk while rebutting everyone at lightspeed on their own intellectual level is crazy. I really love this nigga pause
Yeah these can be frustrating because they were hope and stomp on each other's and their own points....
Facts!
@@adriancampbell428 it’s simply a benefit of sober clean living. He gets caught up too tho, someone calls him out then gets to tap dancing 🕺🏾 😆. I’ve seen Candace get him in that mode most easily
Marc easily became one of the best members of the pod ‼️
@@trickymoves lol nahh if pandering makes him that then so be it 😂
Im offended as a black man that people think that I would vote based on Trick Trick and if other black men actually do. If other black men are basing their votes on rappers and singers instead of facts we are doomed as a people anyway.
They gotta do stupid shit like that otherwise to appeal to the undecided/non-voters. It’s prob not the reason someone cares, but maybe the reason they vote
Well sir that's exactly what they do...its no different than making a breakfast appearance or talking about cleaning collards in a tub. It's that sad way of trying to build a connection with people that don't follow politics
@@therealmccoy269no it’s disconnected political people lying in our faces to pretend that they care about our interests. They are all self serving but “Suck and Jive” to us to get our votes on bf club and then suck the wealthy donors who got them elected off when they’re in office.
Thank you !
Both parties did the same exact thing. Democrats brought out Meg, Cardi, Beyonce and had taylor swift promoting her. It's the pander Olympics. Both parties suck. That's why I had to keep hearing vote for the lesser of two evils the past 3 Olympics. Which is fucking stupid. How about nor voting for evil at all? But yall not ready for that conversation
Ice is just minding his business. No political talk😂😂
Ice’s perspective is limited to Jordan’s and DMX albums
The others should do the same. Their knowledge is beyond limited
@@admetussenatorofthesullane7759😂
I like ppl that stay in their own lane I wish flip learned from him in that regard 😂
Ice 🧊 has a good woman 👩🏾 at home. He’s not messing that up for Joe 😂
Hey Mark, whenever a child in preschool doesn’t react to bullying or aggression from other children, it’s because usually they’re confused. They are uncertain how to react because they are still really new to the world. They are shocked that someone is being such a jerk to them because they are not used to anger, aggression, taking things without permission at home or in their life so far. They’re kind of getting that first taste of the real world sadly. It speaks volumes about their home life- and big volumes about the other child’s life. So I wouldn’t worry about his personality because of this. He’s showing constraint in a confusing time.
If you’re reading this don’t give up on your dreams and keep going! Have a great day JBP family ✊🏾
Yo Justin! You don’t know what you just did! Thanks I really needed that
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Thank you
Thanks fam .
You too my brother!
Marc is an amazing addition to this podcast. He actually uses his brain and is good at critical thinking. He’s really making the rest of the guys show their behind. I genuinely hope they learn something from him
No thanks
Definitely, some of them are desperate to sound informed and make jokes about the wrong topics, and then still get all emotional about it when he reasons it out.
He don't even believe in God
@@myronscott8611do you believe in god? If so pray for him then. So of the most vile people believe in god.
Replace flip
Black folks gotta chill with labeling any black person who disagree with you as "self-hating". It's played.
It depends on why... a lot of times it is unfortunately, but yes agreed.
@CeeP211 I would argue voting for the same party for 60 plus years with 0 results is self hate.
@@CeeP211 Wrong. A lot of times it isn't.
Deadass!!!!Ppl say we aren’t a monolith but the second you deviate from popular opinion your every negative black name in the book
@@xDonJuanx Also what's wrong with self hating if the part of self that's hated should be hated?
I LOVE Marc. What a wonderful addition to the cast and another person to help Mel argue with you guys 🤣🤣. And Mel tries to speak but you step all over her and cut her off, and her personality is not boisterous.
100000%
That’s cause she’s slow. She doesn’t know a single thing about anything, all her takes are just plain bad period
I am sure you do. You propably love Derrick Jackson, Steve Harvey, Tyler Perry, Michelle Obama, Joy Reid and and Kamala Harris as well.
@@DJOlSkoo what do you mean by this comment?
@@DJOlSkoonobody loves steve harvey ngl you did not make any point😭
Mark was an excellent choice as an additional cast member! He is much needed! I love how he doesn’t back down from his point and he speaks with passion and not anger like some of the others
Agreed!!
I agree with you he brings something Different to the conversations...
Agree
YES and I think this hurts some mens ego
I really really like him on the pod, I just hope he doesnt eventually get frustrated with having to voice opinions to people who are dedicated to misunderstanding valid points
Marc Lamont Hill is one of the best additions to this Podcast ❣️
Kamala supporters agree and Trump supporters disagree lol
I love him!!
Couldn’t agree more. And , shoutout to Joe for bringing him on right before the election. Perfect timing.
A BREATH OF FRESH AIR
Couldn’t disagree more lol
I hate hearing uninformed people talk about politics.
??? Because they don’t agree with your views? Inform us then
Lmao I'm sure you are just absolutely all knowing on politics huh? Something like 90% of people are woefully uninformed on politics so you must really hate your life around here😅
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Most people who vote are uninformed so nothing really matters lol
Especially Marc he talking about her legalizing weed to stop black men from going to prison when she was apart of the three strike law and makes all of this shit about race when it’s not
Marc Lamont Hill is the most emotional intelligent person on this platform that can debate and articulate himself in a way that's quick. It's attractive and makes me want to research, understand and learn more. I hope he gets a plug on the show.
I love that this makes you want to research more! We need more people like him in our community
Hes very intelligent and his CNN background shows. But he sometimes too smart for his own good. He argues in circles sometimes, just like they do on CNN. That Accountability argument was kinda strawman.
@ they’re committed to misunderstanding him which is why he circles his point. He says har he means but they intentionally misrepresent what he’s saying
Ayo… mark disagreeing with them the whole time but kept saying I agree with everything you’re saying is hilarious
because these guys are saying things that made black people vote for Trump and Marks argument is how Trump is going to pull it off???? he is promising things he wont be able to deliver
I hear you, but I think there were 3 different points that Marc mentioned. All of their points either landed on points 1 or 2 (that's the parts where he said "I agree with you"), the issue was that point 3 of Marc's points was not acknowledged.
@thirdeyesha114 Exactly. He kept laying out his belief about point 3 and they kept responding in the realm of points 1 & 2. He even kept SAYING that they were doing that and they still couldn't keep up. Shit was getting on my nerves.
Marc did agree with their points the whole time. They felt like he didn’t because he’s saying that multiple parts played a factor. Every time the bring up a point he says “ i agree” and then elaborates on the agreement but also finishes with there are still a myriad of reasons she didn’t win. They feel like because he won’t blame it 100% on her not relating to the public that he doesn’t agree with their points. They also are trying to allude to the fact that being black and a woman played no parts at all they just don’t wanna say it directly from worry of being attacked. Mostly Ish and Joe letting to say it’s lazy to blame it on the black woman piece and Marc is saying that it’s not the main reason but still exists. Even it were only 5%, that’s still an ingredient in the mix. That’s all. Literally everyone who isn’t bias to Kamala knows that she did a poor job across the board.
Your comprehension skills aren't all the way there
This has been one of the best post-election conversations I've heard so far kudos to you Joe Budden podcast
Thank God for Marc being on this show. He gives the conversation balance. This would’ve been a very different conversation without him. Keep him on the show!!!!!
Black women are so slow it's crazy
Omg I damn near had to fast fwd through the other guys speaking. PLEASE KEEP Marc.
lol I said god also.. literally the same wording
Yeah a better one if he wasnt.
@@tracypmakeup5008 I like the addition of Marc but he is for sure is tooooo neutral
Marc makes complete sense and calls them out on their BS by educating them in the most humble and respectful way with logical examples facts history, and an unbiased gendered mindset and they truly hate that. And I literally love the JBP so much.
@@heyj0ss coming from a woman 😂 he’s pandering you
I love Mel but she definitely has a hard time taking accountability. She contradicts herself all the time. I love her but the truth is the truth.
Thank you!! Finally found a unicorn in here. They must didn't watch the episode when Mel swore she apologized to Ish by sending the wrong "Ish" an apology that he never got.
And the fact she got mad and walked off like Flip was making shit up 😂😂
She protects her silly brand too much ,she’s not big on telling the truth
In some ways it’s very sickening to watch!
That’s why her show is doomed to fail
Watching Ice & Ish’s silent reactions with each other might be my favorite part of the show
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Yall goofys love to read all the wrong things. Go play with grass outside.
I love the wide angle lens that allows us to see their responses. I love them together and Ish alone.
I hate how they dont cut to the wide camera during certain moments, I wanted to see their faces when Mel snapped 😂😂 i bet everyone had wide eyes
Mel getting mad that they said Women don’t take accountability is funny cause she usually is a perfect example of that shit😂
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Joe, Ish, or Ice say there were wrong 😂 yall definitely hold Mel to a way stricter standards than the dudes lol they all trash
Is it true or is that what they want some people to think? There has to be controversy.
@@Damian-zu6ls nahhh, all the men up there are self-proclaimed hypocrites, LITERALLY accountable for being unaccountable, Mel just can't seem to own up to her shit, even during this very topic 🤣
@@Damian-zu6lsYou're exactly right. Joe will hold *10 toes down* on an argument he's clearly lost or knowingly lies about. Ish is always bringing this to light. Marc is saying exactly what sensible people are seeing
@@Damian-zu6ls they not ready for this conversation lmao
The Michelle Obama point is so good. They attack her when they think she is a political threat. They bitched and complain for trying to improve school lunches
Remember they said she was a man? They talked crazy about her smh
Facts and the same ones that did that are applauding Rfk for trying to do that.
This episode proved the point about how people view Harris, because every person on that cast had a laundry list of critiques for Harris and could barely acknowledge anything wrong with Trump but then claimed that they didn't vote for him
Honestly after you cause an insurrection in the nations capitol after you lose an election because your followers are a cult, there’s not much else that needs to be said.
Trump won the critiques don't matter as much for him. They started off pretty early on saying his side holds him to a lower standard.
Their focus was on why she lost not why Trump won so why would they focus on his missteps if he won. When analyzing failure you need to analyze how it happened.
I’m happy that more than half of America opened their eyes and saw the bullshit while The other are still sucking on their thumbs. 😂
@@sebastienc.2257 maybe it was her disrespecting Christian and her calling Gen Z dumbasses her not answering a single political question and bringing Trump up like an ex-husband. Yeah I’m pretty sure there’s multiple reasons why she got her ass whooped in the election.
Ice trying not to laugh when Mel got pissed is hilarious
2:29:38 had me dying . Ice looks like he’s tryna hold it in
Like if you skip the prizepicks segment every time. 😂
Starting to do so lmao some times the segment have funny moments
Lol you gotta just skip until joe closes his laptop. WORKS EVERYTIME! 😂
I dont skip nothing on the JBP
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Go get you some Cantaloupe and vibe - Joe 🤣😆😂
Joe yelling off mic "And you didn’t vote" at 2:27:15 had me 😂😂😂😂
LMAO I didn't even catch that
As a California native… Gavin Newsom ain’t making it past the first round of cuts for presidential candidates…
@DI0V10 if they don’t get Tulsi Gabbard back,,, that’s a FuhShoURiteOn
Lol facts.
Yea look at California's economy no
@@R0ZE888 everyone I speak to in Los Angeles is trying to figure how he keep getting elected.
Bro as a fellow California native here in LA, I was fucking disgusted when he said that. Ever since that moment, I stopped caring or having any credence to what he and Mel(she agreed) said.
2:29:37 Ice looking at Flip like.. "Mel about to go cry in the bathroom, ain't she!" 😂😂😂
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😂😂😂
And did 😂😂
Yall out yall mind if yall think her being a woman wasnt a factor
There are 29 countries with female presidents around the world. Trust me it's not about gender or race.
Mark is an EXPERT at gaslighting 😂😂 “I’M AGREEING WITH YOU” as he actively disagrees with every point you make.
Bro stop the bs. Kamala was given too us !! We never even got to pick the democrat nominee 😂😂 Weird time in America when these are 40+ year old people who have no idea why the election went the way it did. SMH
Well when most of “us”don’t even follow politics or know mf policies it wouldn’t make sense for us to pick a candidate
But they were the party saving democracy lol. Make this hypocrisy make sense.
If you're a Democrat or independent who voted for Trump, he was given to you too. Duhhhh
Ok, stop acting like she's a random women on the street. She is the VP, if its not biden it made a lot of sense for it to be her. And she is significantly better than biden, who people did vote as the nominee.
@@TDizz202if you a grown adult and don’t inform yourself than don’t fucking complain about groceries or taxs being high when you do nothing to change the elected officials
Honestly; great first 1st hour of dialogue. The cast has hit it right on the nail as to why the presidential election went the way it did. Great push back by both couches and an amazing display of intelligence amongst the team. Keep at it.
SHOUTOUT!!!-QueenFlip frfr for realizeing that everyone constantly interrupts Mel constantly and that shit always bothers me then you guys try and bash her for not talking as much on the podcast. Well, how do you expect her to talk on the podcast when you guys are constantly interrupting her from talking? It’s not fair. It is bullshit again shut Flip for having Mel‘s back and not interrupting her as much this episode and at least recognizing that she’s being interrupted constantly!!!!!
@@Stinkyjuda Is she really CONSTANTLY interrupted or is she just taking SO long to get to the point that they have talk over her just to keep the pod flowing?🧐
Flip interrupts her all the time he’s just tender on her cause he likes her lol bruh was dying to touch her hand @1:04:35 😂 AND THEN CONTINUES TO INTERRUPT HER @1:55:25 🤣
Lol he loves his mel lol but he truly admires and respects her.
Lets be honest Mel rarely has anything of value to add fr
Agreed
I’m so glad Marc is on the show. It’s sooo important to have this point of view from a man because they talk right over Melissa Ford sometimes. Great conversation
Why is Parks in 4k but the rest of the cast is in HD after the election???
White privilege. Nah I’m playing. I think it’s the same quality as Joe’s but with aperture control or some shit 😂 boy is isolated from the background
His skin
@@mrs.carter214😂😂😂😂
Trump winning updated all the whites’s iOS. 😭
Now this is funny
Marc and Mel are talking to each other trying to cope with why she miss and the others are clearly over it
Seriously like they represent probably the number one reason why Dems don’t improve and get held accountable, because when OTHER DEM VOTERS.l start talking about what needs to be fixed in THEIR party mfs need to jsit focus on that and not bring up trump and the Repubs any more. It’s a huge issue and if for the next four years we do that, we either get JD Vance or Biden 2.0 as our next prez.
Right and Mel can’t even vote but has these strong feelings go to Canada
@@TheJonkharif23 Marc was jst saying that they weren't graded on the same scale they're kicking Kamala's back in for her strategy but bigging up Trump for employing that same strategy they were literally contradicting themselves and moving the goalpost to make Kamala look bad shit got weird after awhile considering they voted for her they did all that jst to ultimately agree w Marc's point that Kamala being a black woman had her at a disadvantage shit was redundant this is why they shouldn't argue politics with sb as educated as Marc that shit will never end lol
@@jiggy_introvert You're telling me Kamala was speaking better to the issues that people are concerned about than Trump? Please answer, yes or no
@@paidstacksb wtf?
Basically, black men were offended because they expected her (as a black woman) to be more in tune with culture and meet them at the cookout BECAUSE she's black.
And that proves Marc's point, you expect MORE from her because of her RACE, rather than judging her from the same LOW bar you judge everyone else. Let's keep it a buck, and be honest
She’s not blacc stop that being blacc is an American thing only
You sound slow 😂
Exactly. They kept making his point and never realised it. 😂
She is even black y’all are so goofy and will accept anything that gives you status closer to white women your strife and fight for rights is just to be like white women 😂
She’s not even black though lol
If yall can’t see that so many ppl that claim to have voted for Kamala ACTUALLY voted for Trump, y’all are blind! All these podcasters saying they voted blue but they host shows defending Trump. Ppl are just scared to say it!
THANK YOU ICE for your input on the DDG situation, cuz Mel and them was tripping 😂
Big time
Facts
MEL STOP LYING SHE AINT TOUCH YOU IN NO WAY STOP THE CAP
She didn’t even vote
Facts! Wtf!
She couldn’t vote at all
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@@XavierZayAugust Mel has been in America since 1999, those are her accounts. But it’s too expensive for her to become naturalized. GTFOH!
Ish’s example abt the black and white man is exemplifying Marc’s point that race and gender are factors people consider when encountering others.
You missed the entire point Ish was making about correlation. Exactly why she lost.
@@1WhoSeesAllshe lost white women and latinos...she won this audience by a landslide
It's not the primary reason she didn't win.
you missed it
@@afrikopopmommyhealthfitness it was explicitly stated that it wasn’t the primary reasons over and over and over again
Mel just became a citizen in February in 2024 after having a green card for over 5 years. I applied easily online in October 2023. Received my interview letter in November. Got interviewed in January and done in February!! $725 and trust me you dont need a lawyer at all!!
I believe she's not taking accountability again😂😂
She’s lying.
@socalmotionYT as usual
Mel is right on the hope issue. I think Trump had more of an “enough is enough, Imma fix this, follow me” energy. Obama was more like “let’s hold hands and get through this together…somehow, someway…” it’s a different type of hope, I guess.
You are right in that both candidates represented “hope” but this hope manifested itself in very different ways.
@ for sure
Tomato, Tomato. People voted for him because they had hope, no cares about the multiple meanings of the word. It's shit like this that has Democratic voters keep sleeping at the wheel.
I only disagree because Trump doesn’t know how he’s gonna fix shit either
@@DBZRappaer oh to me they’re all just “talking” lol
When Mel LIED and said “yea” to did KH interview touch her….. IT WAS SOOOO OBVIOUS. 😂😂😂
Or she didn’t watch it at all
Facts
Mel is some shit at taking accountability 😂
She’s a woman lol what else do you expect
I really hope the time comes soon for Mel to leave this pod.. This workplace is not healthy for her. And i really hope Joe grows as a person otherwise we gone see him destroy another career
STRIP CLUBS - I never understood why men will go put and work hard, tak 1K, 5,K, 20K or even 50K and throw it in a strip club and think its a flex.
Meanwhile, the local food pantry, boys and girls club or just a kid in the hood is lacking the funds to meet their needs.
Black men will put on all white designers clothing and shoes, go throw money at the strip club and think ots a flex, celebrate prision release, never HS or college graduations, then complain about issues in the community. The culture does not make sense, at all. If you have money, wasting it is a flex and we wonder why crime is so high. Making flexing saving money.
I live in Atlanta and I’ve never been to a strip club. The concept never made sense to me. I still have buyers remorse for some sneakers I bought in the 90’s. If I spent $1k at a strip club I would need therapy.
Never for me either, like you getting a boner surround by dudes is wild to me
It’s basically for ppl that make fast $$ I used to go to the strip club when I was selling drugs now I’m legit & gotta hold this $$ tight & invest lol
And then want to blame government for our lack of progress. The victim mentality is comical when as a culture we have shot ourselves in the foot by glorifying all the wrong things.
Youre also apart of the problem. You exclude yourself and others that are smart with money as if you are not also apart of "the culture"....Im assuming ur black...if so you are apart of the culture. Humans only focus on the worse of everything theres plenty of Black Men that dont go to strip clubs and most dont even have 1k, 5k to even do that. And in reality what's to say what is a waste of money? You like fine wines, or vacations, or collecting paintings, or traveling. Its all a waste technically. People generally want to enjoy themselves understandably. And i know for a fact that you have some guilty pleasure that you Probrably wont admit on here.
They literally named soo many reasons not to vote for Kamala yet shamed folks for not voting for Kamala...my timeline is filled with a lot of celebrities promoting idealism and regular people explaining what our real life circumstances are...she wasn't the right candidate, period
The whole basis of the argument is that Kamala wasn't as good at presenting lies and putting on a show for Americans. As was said the economy by all metrics right now is trending upward and America is currently the top nation from a economical standpoint. That DOES NOT matter to at least 80% of people in the US as most of them are ignorant to the actual state of the economy\country and vote based off "vibes". Perpare for everything to get even more expensive once Trump inacts tariffs on everything and we have to foot the bill.
And trump was?? I don’t get how someone can see all the negative aspects of Kamala but turn a blind eye to Trump like he’s much better, trash is trash g
Joe Biden’s Campaign team ran her campaign which is why she sounded like “Tone Deaf WYpipo” her whole campaign was run by tone deaf wypipo.
@@Damian-zu6lsthat’s what a lot of you are missing. She was campaigning as the alternative to Trump so she can’t be held to the same standard as him. You are either offering a better and different solution or you’re not. Simple as that.
@@Damian-zu6lsKamala is someone who I feel like I want to protect. Trump is someone I would allow to lead me
You Guys!!! This conversation was SOOOOOO GOOD & necessary. Thank you!
Flip is the playmaker. This was one of the funniest most entertaining shows. The man is gold in how he chooses his takes and fights
2:27:49 "Mel you have a hard time taking accountability".....mel blows up and goes on to not taking accountability 😂😂😂
Fr fr shit is sad
Timestamp?
@@brownman72872:27:49. And they were going if before hand 😂
FACTS
“Humans have a hard time not just women even the playing field 🤬🤬🤬”…….except we’re talking about women rn , and I’m pretty sure according to you this would be called “whataboutism” 😂😂 but since it’s not in favor of her bs suddenly it’s not
It is interesting how Marc brings out a perspective that exposes the other guys. Some men can think passed gettin azz!
beta mentality
I don’t understand this feminist comment…
@@FrequenciesForeverFamous😂😂😂😂
He’s literally pandering to get ass. Trying to keep his female fan base happy
Grow up 😂@@darrenstafford2807
Flip speaking on anything intelligent is just a bad idea
That’s why he just obsesses over Mel for 80% of the pod.
But he represents the thinking of alot of youngish black men. We ignore him to our peril. We need to do better educating our children.
Compared to who on here? Marc, the liberal dunce
😂damn
So basically they’re all idiots??🤨🧐
Marc has definitely made Mel feel more confident to finish her points
Beyonce & Trick Trick speak to TWO DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS
Baby I promise you I don’t know who trick trick is I’m the Beyoncé demographic and proud 😅
@@ProfNDKai you’re also an African immigrant so again how are you talking as a non-black American?
@@ProfNDKai21 hear old black man who couldn’t care less who Trick Trick is if he’s caping for Trump.
@@staymadloser7754 I wouldn’t categorize descendants as African natives that were dragged here from their original home to be put into slavery ‘immigrants’… Africans are the only race that didn’t/doesn’t flock here in masses (with the exception of Jamaica/Haiti [whom happened to be originated by slave trade])… the word ‘immigrant’ would suggest a person that migrated VOLUNTARILY,,, which is not the case for many of the BLACK population in America… I say this as a Black Lives MAGA member,,, but what you’re not going to do is mis_categorize Black Americans and group them into every other race in this country (with the exception of the original Natives)… Kamala was a terrible prosecutor in California/ had parents arrested for their kids truancies/ held evidence against a black man on death row/ was literally a DEI hired by Biden because he wanted ‘a black woman VP’ even after they were most visceral towards each other in the democratic debates/ did nothing as VP (while Al Gore was out here assisting in developing the internet/ giving no excuse for her inactivity)/ can’t formulate an original thought/ lacks authenticity/ definitely had a 304 phase with Downtown Willy Brown/ Montell Williams etc./ threw Meg/Cardi/Redd out here as the representatives of BLACK ppl when it’s debatable whether she’s even BLACK herself 🤦🏾♂️🤣
@@staymadloser7754Blacks in America that are descendants of slaves aren’t immigrants… the word ‘immigrant’ suggests that someone migrated from one place to another VOLUNTARILY,,, which isn’t the case for a large number of Black ppl in America…
Mark look like one of them stressed out dads that work the graveyard shifts
100 😂
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Marc face looks like the Ironman mask and I can't unsee it. Tony Marc😂
I’m crying … why like why why is this so accurate I can’t unsee it 😂😂😂
Good one👌
LMFAOO no fr😂
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Get'em Marc!..great addition to the pod
By adding Marc which is a good look but him and Ish are too intellectual for Flip. They engage in intellectual conversation and Flip interjects with dumb takes. He's definitely out of place now and probably needs to think a little more before he speaks.
Flip needs to continue with the jokes. I think he's funny as hell when he starts messing around
Hell no doofus, people like flip are needed. They keep you grounded, ya so called intellectual mf’s get real big heads when ya FEEL ya right, mf’s like Flip remind ya that ya are not hot sh*t just cause.
His points and questions may not benefit you, but it's still integral that he participate regardless how ignorant it is, it's an opportunity for him to learn. Isolating people like him is exactly part of the problem with Democratic voters.
@nw6860 that's why you have two ears and one mouth shut up and listen!!!
@@114Thee if he shuts up he may never get answers to potential questions he and other viewers similar to him may have. they are all important pieces to relay every point of view on a topic
Mel speaks from a privilege of being a biracial woman raised in a white environment in French Canada.. NOT of a Black womans perspective here living and from the US. Idk why she can’t stop speaking in absolutes with such distain for men esp black men
exactly she thinks shes black bcuz who she is around
Amazingly Black women tend to get the similar treatment around the world.
She was not raised in French Canada! Get your facts straight.
Please tell me what French Canada means?
Quebec is French Canada, she's from Toronto.
Shoutout to joe & ish for even attempting to understand the other side.
I like the growth in friendship of Flip and Mel. Flip allowed Mel to speak and make space for her to get her thoughts out on the political take.
Marc makes this more enjoyable for me. Often times the guys just walk over Mel in. Conversation and they done respect her perspective. It seems like they may push back on Matc but bc he’s a man, they didn’t just trample over him. It’s crazy bc it just shows how effed up ppl treat you when you have an opinion that differs from the majority,
MAN YALL HELP ME MAKE IT THROUGH A WEEK OF WORK AND MENTAL HEALTH. THANKS
Thank God for Marc because this would have been an entire episode of all the men agreeing with Joe again….because they not gone let Mel get too many words out and Ice wasn’t saying anything. Keep Marc on the show.
That girl robbing Joe blind he a sucks for love ‘ With that open relationship’ Any time Joe mentioned her it’s her getting money from him lol
It was exhausting watching Joe constantly dog piling on Mel 🤦🏾♀️
Having Marc on the show is a godsend. His logical perspective and sense of humor is a great combination. Shout-out to Joe for bringing him on.
Mark you think Gov. Newsome would be a good candidate. People are leaving California in droves due to taxes and crime rates. Your disconnected my guy
Actually California gained population. Stop watching Faux News.
Yesss. Sounding out of touch with most of American’s struggles
I would’ve said the same thing before trump got elected again
I must say that I enjoyed everybody on this episode. Including you Flip. Marc Lamont, I think I love you. He’s funny, smart and fits well with everybody. Great pod.
I like mlh. Mel was trying soo hard for weeks to bite her tongue wen he’s around but big sista had to let it out. She doesnt like being called out on her accountability issues.
1:03:14 Mel's answer was not good. Mrs Harris touched her because she's a woman, not policies. How will Mrs Harris help you Mel
As a woman, Kk did not resignate with me.
Harris resonated with Mel but not enough to for her to finish her naturalization process to vote for her 🧐
Your comment is nasty work 😂
@ truth usually is 😂
so you think she could have done all that in the 4 months Harris was a candidate and become american.
@@whatudoin1 knew he was running 4 years ago
Male has been living in America for how long? Some of these comments can answer themselves. 😂
I'm so glad Ish called out the bs behind "low unemployment" claims.. like yeah this person isn't on the system anymore, but now they're at Taco Bell working for $9/hr.. like is that even a fucking win? A lot of these topics that pop up every 4 years are wayyyyy more nuanced than people make it seem.
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Where the minimum $9 a hour damn? Those people should really learn a trade if they are working that low we’re all capable of doing better than where we are at today my boy
@@eddiegx2Everybody learn a trade and the trades will pay less, simple economics but I at least it sounds good
@@mgates7628meth talk…… you really don’t want to work huh “why try hard bro it’s not worth it” stay broke selling them 3.5s then foo idgaf not my bills
@@eddiegx2it's places where the minimum is lower than that.
Marc is the GOAT Joe Budden Podcast host
“I agree with you, but…” then disagrees every time lmaooo
It's called seeing both sides of the argument which actually is a sign of intelligence
@@advanced8998 yes, and i agree with you but... he does it in every single argument. just watched his debate with candance owens and he does the same thing.
@@advanced8998Wrong. It’s called arguing in bad faith.
@@advanced8998 they were arguing the driving factor in Kamala’s lost, they disagreed on that. Anyone with intelligence can see that
@@Silver_Joystixnah...if u can't understand the other side then you are just lost in the debate...hence why ish failed to understand what marc was getting at and it seems s you did too. Too busy digging ur heels in
Marc funny as hell... great addition!
How difficult is it for people to understand that folks viewed Kamala as inauthentic and pandering? It has nothing to do with what she didn't address and everything to do with the type of person people saw her as.
Bruh. You realize you're voting for the president right? Not homecoming queen. Her policies were better than his across the board, but you focusing on the fact she was pandering??? Yea no sh!t she's trying to get your vote, that's the point. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
@@IsaAC-ct5rxIt’s possible to achieve both things at once. This was not Kamala’s first time running for POTUS and it was certainly not the first time people accused her of coming across as disingenuous and inauthentic.
Her 107-day election cycle was an excellent case study in how important it is for voters to be able to relate to the candidates placed in front of them.
@Silver_Joystix do you understand the double standard here? Her criticism is that she comes across as disingenuous... trump literally lies at every rally. Lied during his presidency (especially during covi d and it cost people their lives). He S A'd a woman.....and still gets to be president. Wild af.
@@IsaAC-ct5rxSo you wanted kids to be able to have the choice of sterilizing themselves and butchering their bodies when they're not old enough to get a tattoo?
keep calling her a black woman and she not that’s insulting
Flip be hyping up the crowd and i love it cause when he is not there we can feel the huge difference in the ambience
No matter how far the conversation went, Mark always brought up Race and Gender.
Disgusting he’s a democrats so it’s wha tthey do race bait
Because it matters.
They can't believe that it was anything else but that. They're in denial and t's sad, this is why the Democratic party lost.
@@nika0700no it doesn’t Obama and Michelle Obama would of fared way better than Kamala y’all make too many excuses
@@Kashiefmvnnobody said they wouldn’t have and the fact that you say race doesn’t matter when Obama being black was a huge part of BOTH campaigns and they were calling him and her the most racist ish is crazy, you just lying tbh
To be clear, MARK is saying everyone is complaining about VP Harris's points but not Donald's points because he had nothing to offer. It's bad faith comparison to hold her to standards that he isn't held to. He said whatever he could, she discussed plans and ideas. They complain about celebs as if he didn't do the same. He was a better showman for the most part, because Americans clearly only care about a show.
Not facts, and keep living u will learn son
@@poorbillionaire1006 typical conservative. zero logic just feeling
Most americans dont know what ta riffs are. They think china pays them. They dont understand how it actually affects american companies and thus american consumers.
Marc’s talking points don’t need further explanation. His views are clear. However, *you need to understand why Marc is loud and wrong.*
@@Silver_Joystixironic you did nothing to disprove what Marc said. Y’all are hilarious 😂
Mel made her naturalization filing fees higher by simply having her lawyer do it lmaooo
Exactly lol
Yeah because she probably doesnt have the time or organization to do it herself. Nothing wrong with that, obviously she can afford to have a lawyer
She has the luxury to have a lawyer do it for her 🤷♀️
She so dumb
@@janeli4616lol she just doesn’t wanna get natural life. How do you have the money but don’t tell your lawyer to do it but you don’t have the time to do it yourself.
The Mel bullying was very uncomfortable this episode. It’s cool to get your jokes off but she was visibly getting upset multiple times and they just kept going. If that was Ice getting in his feelings like that they wouldn’t have done all of that
Lol yeah they was going in
"Im agreeing with everything yall saying"
"It dont sound like it" 😅🤣😂
Marc cannot win in this conversation because he cares about facts and these guys are arguing feelings, completely different issue
Marc play that Academic bullshit. Where you can literally source information to back up any argument lol but that don’t make it right
And that's exactly how the average voters votes....so in the conversation joe and ish were right alot of that kamala spoke on them white men and Hispanic men don't care about
@Peopleofthesun386 You have to realize that people vote mostly on feelings as the promises either candidate makes have no guarantee of coming to fruition. Joe and Ish are explaining why Kamala failed to capture the emotion and motivation of voters, and all Marc could do was try to imply that they're just racist and sexist.
@@williamjackson6294nah hes not saying it’s just racism and sexism he is saying that, that the 3rd point is the package you come in can effect if some ppl resonate with you, or will feel you.
Trump pardon a couple clebs 🎉
She make plan to help get some regular ppl in jail for selling weed out 🤬 (that’s offensive)
@williamjackson6294 no he was not he said that was a reason one of many and he is correct. Marc point is that is not all the fault of the politician it's also the voters. The average voter is extremely lazy and dumb.
The truth is Kamala was a horrible choice and had a horrible campaign.
Nobody who supported her could name a policy that made her the DEFINITIVE candidate for president
And for the other dude? He didn’t do it the first time or this fine so….
Anyone would have been a bad choice considering the circumstances. Joe literally dropped out of the race 3 months before election . Like be for real.
@ but he knew how to cater to his audience and crowd. Kamala didn’t cater to anybody. She had concerts that were useless and could never say anything she would do different from Biden!
Her whole campaign was about trying to belittle Trump instead of focusing on what she would do different from Biden & Trump
I like when yall stick to entertainment but when yall talk about ANYTHING intellectual, yall sound ignorant as hell...Marc and Melissa are the only two people who speak with common sense here
Marc brought so much intellect to the show since he’s been on 🔥🚀🚀
Kamala was tied to an unpopular president since she’s the VP, she refused to differentiate herself from said president whenever she had the chance, she ducked tons of interviews (including Joe Rogan which got 40+ million views for the Trump episode) and did her first interview with her VP pick, flip-flopped on controversial stuff, never spoke consistently with passion about anything except abortion, and was never willing to go out on a limb on anything (anytime the media critiqued an economic policy, she ran away from it). She was a terrible candidate. All the above made her seem either weak or untrustworthy
The problem with your whole statement is that she didn't even have time to prepare to run. She had 107 days. Trump has had years. Stop blaming Kamala for the loss
@@rellyrelishes Kamala was dealt a bad hand but nothing I said requires Kamala to need more than 107 days. One example is differentiating herself from Biden. The View straight up asked her what would she do differently and she said nothing comes to mind. If you’re the successor to an unpopular president, that one of the first things you should have an answer to. She had far more than 107 days (over 4 years) to think about how she’s different than Biden given how she ran against him in 2020 and spent all these years having an up close and personal look at his policies. The only way you improve is by looking at what you did wrong
Fair statement (as a harris voter) i agree with what you said above, however, her opponent was never going to get my vote. Why? His policies AND personal conduct.
Pick your poison, and the people chose.
Marc went from leading a post election panel full of political experts on Al Jazeera to screaming with flip about basic common sense lmaooo he has the patience of a saint. True definition of get you a man that can do both ✨
As a woman listener, thank god Marc is there to showcase their discrepancies in all of their points. Always calls it out and they never have a good enough rebuttal.
Facts
There was word for people like Marc and Mel - Truculent
Arguing for the sake of arguing
Or maybe you’re lacking nuances.
&ish&joe. Tf are you talking about? Just say you don’t like them.
💯
@@Guywho_is Marc and Melissa, especially Marc are more educated on politics as opposed to the rest of the pod members. They should have Roland Martin on to really educate them. They’d definitely shut up and listen when someone is coming with concrete facts. And that’s something our community needs.
@@chrisnu6078well said.
Ish talks with to much emotion he’s the one that brings everyone else energy up to the point of speaking over eachother he so feminine
Right
He irks my nerves.
I get what yall is saying but Mark has a point that yall keep missing. Race and being a woman is a huge factor. For example, Joe Rogan is no better than JBP, why was politicians even considering Rogan over JBP. To that, race is a huge factor to that
Marc got me back watching the pod 💪🏾😮💨
I never seen someone 🧢 the way mark is for Harris
Exactly! Beta male shit 🤦🏽♂️
@@samblackwell8308 I’m lmao at all the people saying the same exact thing like “Marc is a great addition to the pod “ they ALL have something in common 😂😂 Marc might be King Pander
He is a great addition and yall are uninformed and stubborn. It’s clear as day.
@@YeaAiitelmao you trolling
@ is stubborn? He won’t get budge an inch
What did trump say he was going to do for the cost of living? Chilcare? Groceries? Housing? What convinced people that voted for for him based on the economy and inflation that he would make your life better? What policy did he mention?
Lmao self hatred? Because people pay attention to policy vs pandering. Her campaign was trash! She was also given a insane amount of money for her campaign like 31 million. All that money went to her
They raise a billion dollars. I agree with everything you said, though. Name-calling the same voting block you need isn't a smart strategy lol.
What policy did Donald propose besides tariffs ? Lady shut up you don’t even know what you’re taking about.
@@elborichu1 he was the president already. If all you heard was tariffs, you are showing your ignorance and where you get your news. Do some research and stop saying talking points from the news lol.
@ dummy what does being a horrible president have to do with his proposal 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂 all he said was tariffs 😂 rent is high? Tariffs ! Gas is high ? Tariffs, food is expensive? Tariffs 😂😂 but for you cult members that’s enough 😂😂 gtfoh
@ oooo my bad I forgot to mention his repealing of gender affirming care on day one 😂😂🤦🏽♂️ because that’s going to help people’s pockets 😂😂 and yeah he’s a tariffs guy ! Rent is high? Tariffs, gas is high? Tariffs, food is expensive? You guessed it tariffs 😂😂 I guess the maga cult loves tariffs !
Marc clearing everyone out made my day! Acting like her gender didn’t make a difference is scary ignorance
Why was it so hard for them to understand what Marc was saying?
He saying bullshit and pandering that’s why
Because Marc is being dishonest because he doesn't want to lose his black card or have black women upset with him. It's obvious pandering.
@@user-xy7vi4fp7lit’s bullshit and pandering because you don’t agree with it. Lazy logic that will get you nowhere in debates.
@@user-xy7vi4fp7lyall gotta stop using the word pandering
@@jaden5843anytime you agree and understand where a woman is coming from it’s pandering didn’t you know?