New subscriber here. Stoked I found the channel. I'm in the SL area, and am so pumped to have the NHL here. Great recap. Love seeing the moves the UHC has made so far.
So I’m a lifelong Coyotes fan who is from AZ & has lived in SLC for 25 years. I had to lose my team in order to get season seats! Great idea starting the show.
Background about where players come from and how drafting and signing players works. Leagues: CHL: Most drafted players are drafted out of the CHL (aka as Junior Hockey or Major Junior and includes the Western Hockey League (WHL), Ontario Hockey League (OHL) and Quebec Maritimes Junior Hockey League (QMJHL). There are 60 teams across the 3 leagues, and despite the "Canada" in CHL there are 9 US teams. Players are usually drafted into the CHL at 16, but occasionally exceptional players are allowed to enter at 15. These players usually move away from their families and home cities and are billeted by families that volunteer to be their billet parents in their new city. Players earn something like $50 a week in spending money. The NCAA considers them paid players and therefore they can't ever play in the NCAA as they've already been "professionals". Player ages in the CHL are usually 16-19, with each team allowed a few 20 year olds. Players who are finished with CHL can qualify for monetary assistance from their league to go to university in Canada. Junior B: Players who want to go to a US College hockey program sometimes play in the next level below the CHL where players aren't paid anything and don't lose NCAA eligibility. It's not at the same level of competition but provides a shot at a scholarship. Occasionally Junior B players are drafted high in the first round. USHL: Similar to Junior B but with US-based teams. NCAA: Like most other sports, except players can keep playing in the NCAA (and usually do) as long as they haven't signed a pro contract or received money from the team that drafted them. The rules can get a little complicated. For example, most teams hold development camps for their young draftees from the most recent few years (generally 17-22 year olds). For non-NCAA players the team will pay for everything (travel, hotel, etc.). For players maintaining their NCAA eligibility, they have to pay their own way. They might get assistance from their "family advisor" who isn't their NHL agent, but will become their NHL agent as soon as they sign a contract. Nudge nudge wink wink. European leagues: For most hockey leagues in Europe, the NHL has agreements in place to compensate the local league when a player developed there moves to North America and joins the NHL. The major current exception is Russia, because Ukraine. Drafting Player Rights: The teams draft a players rights, but the rights are a bit different depending on where they were playing. CHL: Signing an NHL contract after being drafted from the CHL doesn't change the player in the eyes of the CHL. They can keep playing as normal. But there is an agreement between the NHL and CHL that players younger than 20 drafted from the CHL won't be sent to the American Hockey League. The AHL (aka "the minors", where the NHL is "the majors" for players hoping for promotion) is the next level down pro league that basically has a team associated with each NHL team. It's not uncommon for young CHL players to spend September in the NHL training camp, and may even get a few games in October before being sent down to their CHL team. NHL teams retain the right to sign a drafted player from the CHL for two years. It very rarely happens that a good player doesn't sign a contract within a few months of their draft. What 18 year-old wouldn't want to sign an Entry Level Contract that gets them 10's of thousands of dollars in signing bonuses? It is incredibly rare that a CHL player doesn't sign a contract that was offered by the NHL club. If they don't then I think they go back into draft. Junior B/USHL/US College Hockey: Not 100% sure but I believe these are all handled the same way as College. The player's rights are retained for 4 years or until they complete college. Because they can't sign a contract and retain the NCAA eligibility, there is a bit of a tension closer to the end of their college career between signing and just not signing and becoming a free agent and signing an Entry Level Contract with the team that they like (either due to fandom or quality of organization or seeing an opportunity for faster progression due to holes in the NHL lineup they think they could fill). It is still rare for college players to opt to go to free agency. Usually if they aren't willing to sign then the team that holds their rights will try to trade them to a team they like (usually not getting fair value back in the trade). European Leagues: Not 100% sure but I've never heard of a time limit for draft rights from Europe. All players are free agents at 27 so that puts a limit on it, I guess. One final note about the Entry Level Contracts that all players must sign as their first contract. They are limited to a base yearly salary of somewhere around $900K but higher draft picks can be granted performance bonus clauses that could cost the team a few million more if the player hits them all. The term of the contract is usually automatically 3 years, but is shorter if the player is older (maybe two years at 21, and 1 year if 23 or older, or something like that). The last weird thing about ELCs is that they can "slide" If a signed player on an ELC doesn't play at least 10 games in that first year then that doesn't count as a year against the contract. They would be paid NHL level money for the games they played but would stop being paid if sent back to the CHL or AHL or Europe. And at the start of the next year their still have three years left on the ELC. They can slide twice. So that three year ELC will end after either 3 or 4 or 5 years depending on how many games their play in the NHL their first two seasons. This has the effect of limiting the number of games young players get in the NHL the first two years, but also giving them exposure to the league. Teams have to be pretty confident the player will stick all year in the NHL if they are going to "burn" a year of their ELC. Many good or even great CHL 18-year-old players are sent back to their CHL teams after 9 games. It's not considered a failure or a criticism, but a great opportunity to see what it's like in the pros and to give them something to strive toward.
I was all in on Lewis when the team was announced, but I’m not sure where you put him unless Doan plays down in Tuscon. They already have 12 forwards under contract and have qualified Hayton for a 13th. If he’s good not playing every night, and maybe he is, then bring him home.
or Bill Armstrong could have leaked it as a feeler to see how the fans like it . But it's not a secret YETI is likely it and i don't we are going to get a logo on the Jerseys i think it's going to be YETI or a third down the road . when they get a 3rd they should have Rock Black as a jersey then Mountain Blue as a jersey or i hope
New subscriber here. Stoked I found the channel. I'm in the SL area, and am so pumped to have the NHL here. Great recap. Love seeing the moves the UHC has made so far.
So I’m a lifelong Coyotes fan who is from AZ & has lived in SLC for 25 years. I had to lose my team in order to get season seats! Great idea starting the show.
Ha! Thanks for tuning in.
They still have a chance to name the team slc punks, glad someone else would seem to enjoy that
Background about where players come from and how drafting and signing players works.
Leagues:
CHL: Most drafted players are drafted out of the CHL (aka as Junior Hockey or Major Junior and includes the Western Hockey League (WHL), Ontario Hockey League (OHL) and Quebec Maritimes Junior Hockey League (QMJHL). There are 60 teams across the 3 leagues, and despite the "Canada" in CHL there are 9 US teams. Players are usually drafted into the CHL at 16, but occasionally exceptional players are allowed to enter at 15. These players usually move away from their families and home cities and are billeted by families that volunteer to be their billet parents in their new city. Players earn something like $50 a week in spending money. The NCAA considers them paid players and therefore they can't ever play in the NCAA as they've already been "professionals". Player ages in the CHL are usually 16-19, with each team allowed a few 20 year olds. Players who are finished with CHL can qualify for monetary assistance from their league to go to university in Canada.
Junior B: Players who want to go to a US College hockey program sometimes play in the next level below the CHL where players aren't paid anything and don't lose NCAA eligibility. It's not at the same level of competition but provides a shot at a scholarship. Occasionally Junior B players are drafted high in the first round.
USHL: Similar to Junior B but with US-based teams.
NCAA: Like most other sports, except players can keep playing in the NCAA (and usually do) as long as they haven't signed a pro contract or received money from the team that drafted them. The rules can get a little complicated. For example, most teams hold development camps for their young draftees from the most recent few years (generally 17-22 year olds). For non-NCAA players the team will pay for everything (travel, hotel, etc.). For players maintaining their NCAA eligibility, they have to pay their own way. They might get assistance from their "family advisor" who isn't their NHL agent, but will become their NHL agent as soon as they sign a contract. Nudge nudge wink wink.
European leagues: For most hockey leagues in Europe, the NHL has agreements in place to compensate the local league when a player developed there moves to North America and joins the NHL. The major current exception is Russia, because Ukraine.
Drafting Player Rights: The teams draft a players rights, but the rights are a bit different depending on where they were playing.
CHL: Signing an NHL contract after being drafted from the CHL doesn't change the player in the eyes of the CHL. They can keep playing as normal. But there is an agreement between the NHL and CHL that players younger than 20 drafted from the CHL won't be sent to the American Hockey League. The AHL (aka "the minors", where the NHL is "the majors" for players hoping for promotion) is the next level down pro league that basically has a team associated with each NHL team. It's not uncommon for young CHL players to spend September in the NHL training camp, and may even get a few games in October before being sent down to their CHL team. NHL teams retain the right to sign a drafted player from the CHL for two years. It very rarely happens that a good player doesn't sign a contract within a few months of their draft. What 18 year-old wouldn't want to sign an Entry Level Contract that gets them 10's of thousands of dollars in signing bonuses? It is incredibly rare that a CHL player doesn't sign a contract that was offered by the NHL club. If they don't then I think they go back into draft.
Junior B/USHL/US College Hockey: Not 100% sure but I believe these are all handled the same way as College. The player's rights are retained for 4 years or until they complete college. Because they can't sign a contract and retain the NCAA eligibility, there is a bit of a tension closer to the end of their college career between signing and just not signing and becoming a free agent and signing an Entry Level Contract with the team that they like (either due to fandom or quality of organization or seeing an opportunity for faster progression due to holes in the NHL lineup they think they could fill). It is still rare for college players to opt to go to free agency. Usually if they aren't willing to sign then the team that holds their rights will try to trade them to a team they like (usually not getting fair value back in the trade).
European Leagues: Not 100% sure but I've never heard of a time limit for draft rights from Europe. All players are free agents at 27 so that puts a limit on it, I guess.
One final note about the Entry Level Contracts that all players must sign as their first contract. They are limited to a base yearly salary of somewhere around $900K but higher draft picks can be granted performance bonus clauses that could cost the team a few million more if the player hits them all. The term of the contract is usually automatically 3 years, but is shorter if the player is older (maybe two years at 21, and 1 year if 23 or older, or something like that).
The last weird thing about ELCs is that they can "slide" If a signed player on an ELC doesn't play at least 10 games in that first year then that doesn't count as a year against the contract. They would be paid NHL level money for the games they played but would stop being paid if sent back to the CHL or AHL or Europe. And at the start of the next year their still have three years left on the ELC. They can slide twice. So that three year ELC will end after either 3 or 4 or 5 years depending on how many games their play in the NHL their first two seasons. This has the effect of limiting the number of games young players get in the NHL the first two years, but also giving them exposure to the league. Teams have to be pretty confident the player will stick all year in the NHL if they are going to "burn" a year of their ELC. Many good or even great CHL 18-year-old players are sent back to their CHL teams after 9 games. It's not considered a failure or a criticism, but a great opportunity to see what it's like in the pros and to give them something to strive toward.
Thanks for the explanation. I’ll have to read this over a few more times. It’s quite complicated compared to what we’re used to with the NBA.
Things got real exciting this weekend. Great stuff. And yeah, I wish they’d just release the name already.
Awesome we got Tij in the draft. Awesome trades as well
Agreed and agreed.
I was all in on Lewis when the team was announced, but I’m not sure where you put him unless Doan plays down in Tuscon. They already have 12 forwards under contract and have qualified Hayton for a 13th. If he’s good not playing every night, and maybe he is, then bring him home.
or Bill Armstrong could have leaked it as a feeler to see how the fans like it . But it's not a secret YETI is likely it and i don't we are going to get a logo on the Jerseys i think it's going to be YETI or a third down the road . when they get a 3rd they should have Rock Black as a jersey then Mountain Blue as a jersey or i hope
Pretty sure Ryan Smith told GMBA to leak the name.
I hope u guys expoled like Vegas and kraken an not be a bum like how Arizona spent there time love from Minnesota
Big skates to fill?
Coulda used your help haha
“T” rhymes with “Z”, I’ll count it. Can I get a second for the motion to allow it from the delegation?
second