Despite what happened in this battle. I would say the AI for HOMM3 is fantastic. No doubt there could be loop holes in the AI, but it is until you try to write your own AI, you will find how hard it is to program a good AI and how far HOMM3's AI has gone to.
The computer player has a rule: the flying troops won't rush out unless all the troops can move out of the castle walls. In this case they cannot do that, because the door is blocked by a dragon fly and the catapult is destroyed by me :)
@@kazookat2206 Troops will also come out when the player has something like meteor shower in his spellbook and the AI troops are too close together, so the player can hit multiple stacks at the same time. In this case the pegasi were next to the unicorns, and the player could still cast a spell in this round. Also, there is small random factor, I've seen the AI react in different ways in the exact same battle situation. By the way, I think it's actually the other way around. The troops will not come out when the attacking forces cannot break the wall down any more, i.e. catapult gone. (it doesn't take earthquake into account) Don't think is has anything to do with the defending troops being able to step outside the walls.
To answer the question asked by everyone: The Dragons didn't come out because every time his cyclops were blinded and the AI didn't want to attack them. Above the bishop difficulty the AI is 'smart' enough to not come out for lesser targets such as few dragonflies with the flyers such as dragons. If this would be a lower level AI it would just fly out as soon as the elfs died or even sooner
Да тебе просто повезло и причем не единожды! Начнем с того что Драконы первым делом летят херачить палатки скорой помощи или другую фигню из боевых машин - не помню какая там была. Пегасы полетят убивать змий - впервую очередь ближайших к ним - то есть фокус с блоком мог и не пройти. Да, там мог бы стоять юнит выносливее, но не в этом дело. Ходячие войска конечно могли остаться на местев стенах замка, но драконы и магия быстро AI быстро бы сделали свое дело. И вообще похоже на постанову - не верю что это был AI, сколько играл такой очевидной фигни не видел никогда- он бы первым делом Chained Lighting убил бы ВСЕХ змиев и хорошо долбанул по циклопам драконами заблокировав их нафиг, так что тут какой то пизд**ж..
согласен, ведь пегасы вышли потом из замка. что им мешало сделать это раньше? да и тем же драконам. магия соперником накладывалась исключительно фуфловая, башни змиев не замечали в упор, хотя может это и согласовывается с алгоритмом игры. но все остальные персонажи стояли на месте, даже пусть и в черте замка, абсолютно не перегруппировываясь, этого ведь тоже не бывает.
Metalbear It is actually. The AI does play better in 200% than 160%, unlike the game says, and even if the difference may look like a very little one. It will for example manage more heroes, it's not only a starting resources difference, (But I don't know if there is a difference in combat.)
You're lucky the A.I didn't have teleport + the A.I isn't dumb you just masterfully exploited the way it prioritizes targets by positioning your dragon flies around your cyclop. I think with such a huge number of dragons i think the A.I misinterpreted it as a shitty bait so he didn't move. But of course it's just a bloody computer program lol.
Too bad they're only releasing an HD edition instead of a proper remake on 29th January. I honestly can't believe that after 16 years there are still no mods or patches that improve the AI in this game.
+bronyitup To be completely fair, the AI at the time of the release was great, and it's pretty darn clever in terms of map managing and manouvering now as well. Several other games have way worse AI that is newly released
@@cergic and after 5/6 this statement didnt change at all, for its time and even now its a really strong AI, people have to keep in mind that everything can be exploited by dumb and unlogical things, an AI doesnt think like we do
The dumbest thing just happened Ai had throngs of army and could've easily beaten my lvl 30 hero but for some reason he transferred all his units to the lowliest character and just hid in corner and didn't move cause he thought i was stronger then him.. So so stupid.
You're right about the second thing you said, but wrong about the first. The gate cannot be opened if something dies there, unless the Catapult destroys the gate.
Not true If ... the flies die on the spot where the gate opens, it can still be opened BUT if the gate is already opened and the flies die on it, it can't be closed
Тот кто сидит в замке 1-й раз играет в эту игру цепной молнией сносишь всех змеев и драконами по циклопам или ускорение и сначала пегасами , потом единороги и если не прибьют то драконами добиваешь циклопов. Сколько играл не помню что бы ИИ так тупил
Well duh. Using 80% lowest difficulty will make the opponent do stupid moves while as if it was 100% the dragons would of instantly gone to you. Best tactic I use at 100% is more stack on base creatures since they will take the dmg if they are way higher than there counter part like ranged attackers
My true curiosity make me ask You how did You win with Rion in such a short time? I'm doing Wayfarer too now, but I waited for enough number of gorgons (~1200) to do his 700 crystal dragons. I didn't find any force field before the battle, have You done this with the force field or how?
On what video? I searched all of Your channel to find that fight and there is nothing about Rion. There is only one fight with crystal dragons at the end of the map.
Rion is very easy to defeat, but you need to get the white keymaster tent. When you've done that, go to him and capture his stronghold castle (he will stand outside). You need only the cyclops, so you can triger him to attack you (if you have more army, he won't) Then when the battle start, all you need to do is to destroy his catapult. Just because Crystal Dragons can't fly, there is no way that they can enter the castle and will stay outside. Rion will cast cure every time, so you need only to shoot his dragons to death. Easy and fast battle with no losses. Don't forget to get ammo cart, because most probably you will need more than 24 shots. Finished this map in Month 6, Week 2, Day 1
OK, now I've found that there is a navigation necklace near Ulan Bator, so you can create admiral's hat and sail off with no touching Rion. To be honest, I finished him with nearly no losses, but I waited ~10 months for army when I could just continue the journey...
he is half barbarian half geanie ( as hentai user i like interacial sex but this time we got this asshole who instead of just leaving the school of magic he just goes full retard and stops doing mage for the rest of his life) i am this hurt cause in the campaign he had lighting bolt as speciality and he wouldnt let me use it cause "no magic no more" FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
gold dragons and silver pegasi should have flown out right in the first round. This is scam, no offense. But probably its the easy mod with ai playing like crap
Nope, gold dragons and silver pegasai didn't fly out, because they could not attack cyclops (not enough room), as they have 2 spaces colision size, he positioned dragonflies so there is no room for them to attack cyclops. So they changed target to dragonflies, but it is not wise to fly out, and lost advantage of walls because of few dragonflies. So they stay behind the wall. The computer just didn't get situation.
Действительно позор АЛ. =) WunderChancellor : прикрыл Циклопов этими отрядами змий - АЛ "прощёлкал опасность" ( covered Cyclops by troops of snakes - AL slept over ambush.) А у пегасов упала мораль по мистическим причинам ))) Герой Богдан! мне очень понравился ваш сейв на сложности Ферзь. Через спонсора хочу купить его за 50 евро ) Благодарен за комментарии к сейву )
it's no surprise that the AI has always been dumb in games, but I think that's the reason you dared to attack that castle with such low army. If you were facing a human you wouldn't have dared :)
The catapult breaks the fence. If the fence is broken, enemy units can go out. I need to keep them inside. I cannot control the catapult in this case, so the only way is to destroy it.
@@Volodua_Winter Computer thinks that if its army in stronger, the good tactic is to stay inside, and let the castle towers do the job. When it sees that it's not working, only then it flies out.
Однако - когда это такое было,что войны противника не выходят за ворота,если они закрыты...и да,а разве они закрываются той-же стрекозой ? ну если так,то понятно почему ты разрушил свою катапульту,но этот бой можно было-бы и быстрее завершить,юзая спеллы,типо взрыва...
большую часть времени он снимал заклинания, чтобы башни не начали стрелять по змиям, которые подпирали ворота. Если бы это произошло, то все войска подошли бы к ослепленным циклопам и замочили их.
Это не Герои, а хрень какая-то!! Посмотрите лучше как турниры против живых людей играют папашки типа gomunguls, firetosky или maretti, а против компа биться с 1000 + маны много ума не надо. Ты бы еще всем показал, как берсерком можно превосходящую тебя армию победить, геройщик, блин...
Despite what happened in this battle. I would say the AI for HOMM3 is fantastic. No doubt there could be loop holes in the AI, but it is until you try to write your own AI, you will find how hard it is to program a good AI and how far HOMM3's AI has gone to.
The computer player has a rule: the flying troops won't rush out unless all the troops can move out of the castle walls. In this case they cannot do that, because the door is blocked by a dragon fly and the catapult is destroyed by me :)
Then why did the pegasi fly out when you attacked them?
@@kazookat2206 Troops will also come out when the player has something like meteor shower in his spellbook and the AI troops are too close together, so the player can hit multiple stacks at the same time. In this case the pegasi were next to the unicorns, and the player could still cast a spell in this round. Also, there is small random factor, I've seen the AI react in different ways in the exact same battle situation. By the way, I think it's actually the other way around. The troops will not come out when the attacking forces cannot break the wall down any more, i.e. catapult gone. (it doesn't take earthquake into account) Don't think is has anything to do with the defending troops being able to step outside the walls.
Перевели на русский
To answer the question asked by everyone:
The Dragons didn't come out because every time his cyclops were blinded and the AI didn't want to attack them. Above the bishop difficulty the AI is 'smart' enough to not come out for lesser targets such as few dragonflies with the flyers such as dragons. If this would be a lower level AI it would just fly out as soon as the elfs died or even sooner
sounds right
The a.i on my game doesn't give a fk just used haste and brought all creatures out when rangers died
wrg
Да тебе просто повезло и причем не единожды!
Начнем с того что Драконы первым делом летят херачить палатки скорой помощи или другую фигню из боевых машин - не помню какая там была.
Пегасы полетят убивать змий - впервую очередь ближайших к ним - то есть фокус с блоком мог и не пройти. Да, там мог бы стоять юнит выносливее, но не в этом дело.
Ходячие войска конечно могли остаться на местев стенах замка, но драконы и магия быстро AI быстро бы сделали свое дело.
И вообще похоже на постанову - не верю что это был AI, сколько играл такой очевидной фигни не видел никогда- он бы первым делом Chained Lighting убил бы ВСЕХ змиев и хорошо долбанул по циклопам драконами заблокировав их нафиг, так что тут какой то пизд**ж..
согласен, ведь пегасы вышли потом из замка. что им мешало сделать это раньше? да и тем же драконам. магия соперником накладывалась исключительно фуфловая, башни змиев не замечали в упор, хотя может это и согласовывается с алгоритмом игры. но все остальные персонажи стояли на месте, даже пусть и в черте замка, абсолютно не перегруппировываясь, этого ведь тоже не бывает.
I have played heroes for more than 10 years. This is one of the best battles tat I ever seen. Congratulations!
i thought the AI would come out after you killed archers.....i never had this situation myself, luck? still a good job
Maybe it is 160% difficulty. The gold dragon will come out in 200%.
Yang Chen In the game its stated clearly even for retards that AFTER bishop level, AI expertise is no longer changed!
Metalbear It is actually. The AI does play better in 200% than 160%, unlike the game says, and even if the difference may look like a very little one. It will for example manage more heroes, it's not only a starting resources difference, (But I don't know if there is a difference in combat.)
You're lucky the A.I didn't have teleport + the A.I isn't dumb you just masterfully exploited the way it prioritizes targets by positioning your dragon flies around your cyclop. I think with such a huge number of dragons i think the A.I misinterpreted it as a shitty bait so he didn't move. But of course it's just a bloody computer program lol.
The A.I didnt come out because its "smart" enough to not focus blinded targets or come out for lesser units
That was glorious.
Who knows, apparently they thought it would be better to shield the Grand Elves, whose stack is much bigger and more important in the fight.
When a severely underequipped "main force" attacks a city.
Also ELVES FTW
Too bad they're only releasing an HD edition instead of a proper remake on 29th January.
I honestly can't believe that after 16 years there are still no mods or patches that improve the AI in this game.
I agree with you completely. We should do the remake ourselves if they can't do it.
+bronyitup To be completely fair, the AI at the time of the release was great, and it's pretty darn clever in terms of map managing and manouvering now as well. Several other games have way worse AI that is newly released
@@cergic and after 5/6 this statement didnt change at all, for its time and even now its a really strong AI, people have to keep in mind that everything can be exploited by dumb and unlogical things, an AI doesnt think like we do
The AI could have beaten you easily if he flew out of the fortress. You relied on predicting its moves, which isn't really a great victory.
как то меня в такой ситуации комп стал бесконечно слепить одного единственного юнита, пока мана не кончилась, а дальше уже я сам)
The dumbest thing just happened Ai had throngs of army and could've easily beaten my lvl 30 hero but for some reason he transferred all his units to the lowliest character and just hid in corner and didn't move cause he thought i was stronger then him.. So so stupid.
You're right about the second thing you said, but wrong about the first. The gate cannot be opened if something dies there, unless the Catapult destroys the gate.
Ok, there are exactly -3 reasons why the AI should lose this fight.
I'm pretty sure if the AI thinks their shooters are stronger than yours they will camp inside the wall
i dont understand why the ennemie dont broke the char munitions! if the cyclope cant have munitions he cant win
Why gold dragons didn’t fly to kill the cyklops kings?
Not true
If ... the flies die on the spot where the gate opens, it can still be opened
BUT
if the gate is already opened and the flies die on it, it can't be closed
Are you playing the OG game or are you using VCMI? Because if I remember correctly VCMI is known for having dumb AI?
I'm not using anything of these. It's an ordinary game
Тот кто сидит в замке 1-й раз играет в эту игру цепной молнией сносишь всех змеев и драконами по циклопам или ускорение и сначала пегасами , потом единороги и если не прибьют то драконами добиваешь циклопов. Сколько играл не помню что бы ИИ так тупил
Well duh. Using 80% lowest difficulty will make the opponent do stupid moves while as if it was 100% the dragons would of instantly gone to you. Best tactic I use at 100% is more stack on base creatures since they will take the dmg if they are way higher than there counter part like ranged attackers
Fake, i tried it AI just fly out.
It only works on lower AI difficulty.
Even if the ai kills the dragon flies blocking the gate it cant get out. Also when they are dead they block the gate.
My true curiosity make me ask You how did You win with Rion in such a short time? I'm doing Wayfarer too now, but I waited for enough number of gorgons (~1200) to do his 700 crystal dragons. I didn't find any force field before the battle, have You done this with the force field or how?
I've just done it as you can see on the video.
On what video? I searched all of Your channel to find that fight and there is nothing about Rion. There is only one fight with crystal dragons at the end of the map.
Oh, I thought this was Rion. I don't remember where Rion is, sorry.
Rion is very easy to defeat, but you need to get the white keymaster tent. When you've done that, go to him and capture his stronghold castle (he will stand outside). You need only the cyclops, so you can triger him to attack you (if you have more army, he won't) Then when the battle start, all you need to do is to destroy his catapult. Just because Crystal Dragons can't fly, there is no way that they can enter the castle and will stay outside. Rion will cast cure every time, so you need only to shoot his dragons to death. Easy and fast battle with no losses. Don't forget to get ammo cart, because most probably you will need more than 24 shots. Finished this map in Month 6, Week 2, Day 1
OK, now I've found that there is a navigation necklace near Ulan Bator, so you can create admiral's hat and sail off with no touching Rion. To be honest, I finished him with nearly no losses, but I waited ~10 months for army when I could just continue the journey...
I think it is a barbarian hero but in battle it looks like a knight
he is half barbarian half geanie ( as hentai user i like interacial sex but this time we got this asshole who instead of just leaving the school of magic he just goes full retard and stops doing mage for the rest of his life) i am this hurt cause in the campaign he had lighting bolt as speciality and he wouldnt let me use it cause "no magic no more" FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
STUPID AI. NEVER ATTACK. THIS WAY ITS SO EASY TO WIN
Can you tell me how do you defeat Neela? it's so hard......
Stupidity at its finest! :D You couldn't have played any worse as computer even if you wanted to. But still a great battle ;)
gold dragons and silver pegasi should have flown out right in the first round. This is scam, no offense. But probably its the easy mod with ai playing like crap
nope, its ai stupidity. He thinks he can take you out only with arrow towers
Nope, gold dragons and silver pegasai didn't fly out, because they could not attack cyclops (not enough room), as they have 2 spaces colision size, he positioned dragonflies so there is no room for them to attack cyclops. So they changed target to dragonflies, but it is not wise to fly out, and lost advantage of walls because of few dragonflies. So they stay behind the wall. The computer just didn't get situation.
scam? did you buy this video or what? WTF - scam lol
Чувак, ты офигенен! Остается только вопрос - что за карта? Играл на ферзевке?
What difficulty is that?
160%, as I always play.
What difficulty was this on?
why aren't the flying creatures attacking the cyclops. lmaoooooo
Действительно позор АЛ. =)
WunderChancellor : прикрыл Циклопов этими отрядами змий - АЛ "прощёлкал опасность" ( covered Cyclops by troops of snakes - AL slept over ambush.)
А у пегасов упала мораль по мистическим причинам )))
Герой Богдан! мне очень понравился ваш сейв на сложности Ферзь. Через спонсора хочу купить его за 50 евро ) Благодарен за комментарии к сейву )
Искуственный интеллект бьёт палатку!
it's no surprise that the AI has always been dumb in games, but I think that's the reason you dared to attack that castle with such low army. If you were facing a human you wouldn't have dared :)
well if the troops dont attack no wonder u won LOL
Don't remember exactly, I think Expert.
Странно почему пегасы не вышли?
Why the gold dragons didn't come out in the first round and attack the cyclops?
Is "stupiditi of ai player" map or expansion name?
Good fight!
Starry King is right about everything.
Антимагии не было?
Вот что можно делать на самом легком уровне драконы не летят и пегасы стоят
Где скачать карту эту ??
link download game???
А как ты взял книгу земли?
Жаль,что пришлось сломать катапульту...
best song
How come the golddragons won't attack the dragon flies?
Eagles don't hunt flies ... 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️😂
why did the author destroy his catapult?
The catapult breaks the fence. If the fence is broken, enemy units can go out. I need to keep them inside. I cannot control the catapult in this case, so the only way is to destroy it.
@@BohdanS15 but pegasus can fly, isn't it?
Why he didn't fly in your army?
@@Volodua_Winter Computer thinks that if its army in stronger, the good tactic is to stay inside, and let the castle towers do the job. When it sees that it's not working, only then it flies out.
@@BohdanS15 thank you very much :)
Однако - когда это такое было,что войны противника не выходят за ворота,если они закрыты...и да,а разве они закрываются той-же стрекозой ? ну если так,то понятно почему ты разрушил свою катапульту,но этот бой можно было-бы и быстрее завершить,юзая спеллы,типо взрыва...
большую часть времени он снимал заклинания, чтобы башни не начали стрелять по змиям, которые подпирали ворота. Если бы это произошло, то все войска подошли бы к ослепленным циклопам и замочили их.
how did you so much mana?
Expert intelligence and visited a fountain which doubles your mana points total
А антимагии в этой карте нет или это нарушило бы поведение ии?
Не помню, возможно, здесь не было или я не пользовался просто.
I heard differently. I heard as maretti0 said.
you ar the but, you can make antimagic, not cure
+cipi vali If he take on his cyclopes antimagic the opponent dragons and silver pegasi will leave out and kill his cyclopes
Зачем катапульты убрал и не использовал антимагию на циклопах?
Извини, в школе была четверка по русскому языку. :)
Здесь это не помогло бы.
Nice.:)
Perhaps :)
lol you are quite good , i suck at this game :l
Багоюзер
Циклоп - пишется через И
play on 100% +
почему он не атаковал пегасами?
Потому что это чёс, если бы войско вышло ему был бы пиздец как не крути
Почему?
jajajja no te puedo creer!!!
LOL
lol i would like to see what you would have done if you were defending
Просто очешуенно!
А нахрена катапульту уничтожать?
Чтоб катапульта не разбила городские стены. Если еще перекрыть ворота, то войска противника не выйдут из замка!
wrg
Это не Герои, а хрень какая-то!! Посмотрите лучше как турниры против живых людей играют папашки типа gomunguls, firetosky или maretti, а против компа биться с 1000 + маны много ума не надо. Ты бы еще всем показал, как берсерком можно превосходящую тебя армию победить, геройщик, блин...
Тебе было заняться нечем?
only noobs play something other than impossible
+erik parker unless its a small map and 8 players... now thats messed up
И. Искусственный интеллект.