How to Extend the Range in an EV | Fifth Gear
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Through hypermiling my old CRX (I drive a Gen1 Volt now), I learned that cruise control is not the most efficient. Keeping your throttle steady and letting the car slow down into small hills and speed up coming back down the hills prevents the cruise from automatically "flooring it" to maintain speed. Obviously you don't want to do this in traffic. By doing this and avoiding HVAC when its not necessary - I improve my Volt's m/kWh from the rated 2.78 - 3.23 to over 4 m/kWh. Best I've seen is 6 m/kWh in stop & go traffic where I fight never to stop, but rather just time the stop & go wave so my car keeps creeping along (never stopping if I can avoid it).
I have a 62kwh leaf and on mixed driving if I granny it as smooth as possible I'll get 4.0kwh, I also agree with the comment about relaxing, I couldn't care less when people cut me up etc, I just ease off, and it takes me only 2 mins longer to do my 11 mile commute than if I were to rush.
Unless you are actually going on a long trip and need the range just drive the thing normally. With an EV electric tariff they are almost free to drive so why bother being efficient. My ID3 will easily do 200 miles on a £3.50 charge. There is no point slipstreaming a lorry to save 30p
I always laugh whenever these supposed knowledgeable motoring journalists use the unit of kilowatts to refer to the capacity of a battery
Yes but I’m afraid I think it’s a losing battle the more EVs become mainstream. Thankfully, 9 times out of 10 you can infer if people meant kWh vs kW from the context.
One of the advantages of EVs is curiously never mentioned.
I live in Northern Spain, and we have lots and I mean LOTS of mountains here. Going up those mountains in an ICE is expensive, and the energy is never, ever recovered. At best, I can use engine braking to slow me down, or (dangerous, I admit) freewheel/coast. Normally, the latter isn't possible because of all the twisty bits in the road as a result of the topography. But an EV? Yeah, I'll still be using the same energy (more actually because of more weight) to get up, but a fair bit of it will be recovered on the way back down, And I have the advantage of not wearing out my brake pads and discs.
Quite honestly, the sooner I can get an EV, the better. I'm also hoping to install solar as well, and that will be the double whammy.
So you prefer to endanger other people to save 5 euro every month. How is this smart?
@@ΑλέξηςΦ How do I endanger other people? I never actually said that I freewheel/coast, I said that it was an option for ICE drivers. It is an option that probably might not even save €5 per month, knowing how modern engines shut down cylinders and/or fuel when they are not under load.
But my point remains; with an ICE the energy spent cannot be recovered at all, ever. With EVs there is virtually no limit to how much energy you can recover, it is only limited by the size of the battery pack.
@@davidcolin6519 That true but I have to say that you'll only recover a 1/4 or 1/3 of energy while going down compared to heavy energy consumption going up hill. Having said that though, it's better than nothing. I've said that because I have been monitoring energy charges during hill ascend and descend. At best I have recovered -34 amps (hour) going downhill but used 140 amps (/hr) going back uphill! Basically I'm not going to brag so much about energy recovery but a bit is better nothing. I have other reasons why I go EVs. Even driving an I.C.E. Japanese Kei car, you'll still waste a lot of petrol in heavy congestions as well as frequent stops at intersections. That's why I commute around town a lot with EVs.
@@t8polestarcyan22 Yeah, I would never have expected anything close to even 50%, but it is still a benefit in comparison to ICEs.. Nor would I have tried to claim that it was a significant benefit, there are plenty of others which outweigh it. It was just something that nobody ever mentions.
I still find EV one-pedal driving a novelty and very relaxing compared with driving previous manual ICE cars. The brakes are automatically applied only when bringing the car to a halt and the regen system is proving effective in my fairly hilly location. As I am home much of the time and charging slowly over several hours suits my lifestyle, the solar PV system is a good match for a BEV. But I do envy the kind of solar power you will get in Northern Spain compared with where I live in dreich central Scotland.
There's nothing more annoying than getting stuck behind a hyper-mileing EV driver doing 20mph under the speed limit.
Sick of being stuck behind them doing 50mph on the motorway and I'm in a truck. 🤣
What's even worse is a EV driver uses the instant torque of the electric motor that even a boy racer in a Subaru CAN'T overtake on a motorway! Just try and race an EV! Yeah, Just try it!
@@t8polestarcyan22 yup it's pretty entertaining when they try and race you
@@drewhender3999 Yeah and they can't even pass. Care to know which EV it is?
@@t8polestarcyan22 Not even one of the 'performance' models just a Mini Electric but it's still got decent performance enough to surprise quite a few cars on the road
I use the cruise control and keep my Fiat 500e permanently in one-pedal driving (range) mode as leaving them off does not improve range. My latest run was 74 miles of typical central Scotland hilly A-road driving, mostly at 60 mph, and the car returned 4.25 miles per KW/h. This is steadily improving as we approach summer and is about what I expected.
it does amaze me how much slowing down a bit at motorway speeds increases range. Quick maths says 4.1 Miles/KWH will hit the manufacturers claimed efficiency, which my petrol car can barely do if you reset the trip computer and coast down a hill. I do remember having to drive home from England at the height of the fuel shortage and doing only 55mph on the motorway because it literally doubled my MPG figure!!!
By slow down you went from 120 mph in your 30mgp car to 60mlh lol
@@stuartburns8657 nope, from 70 to 55mph. Aerodynamic drag squares with speed so you don't need to have speed to halve the drag. Add to that my Mégane having a relatively short 6th gear and the combo is getting almost 60 miles per gallon at 55
Sticking with my low carbon footprint 2016 petrol 50+ mpg £30 road tax 450+ mile range 5 minutes recharge . No anxiety. Totally virtuous
Was the air con on and phone charging on the second run? 🤔
I left my air con, phone charger and dash cam on. Yet I still have good battery range.
Yay, more people driving 10 km/h under the limit
Emphasis on speed 'limit'. Not all of us do this but those that do should not be difficult to overtake 🙄
@@davidcolin6519 So you belong in the group that doesnt drive 10 under, good for you. What does that have to do with anything I said and you get triggered?
Now where we are talking about saving as much as you can, you think its more economical to put more strees on the suspension components than to slow down 20 mph for a turn? Its a hypothetical question. Of course excessive wear on the suspension components have a larger cost than lifting the gas for 5 sec and pressing it again.
I can see you never have tried to drive on a swivel road with traffic in the opposite lane.
You dont know me personally to assume I dont know how to overtake. That is just hillarious.
Sorry, but one 500 km trip to Spain is nothing.
Cheers
i can keep up with pretty much any economy box to the point where i need to ease off the throttle when they switch gears(Europe here, most cars r still manuals) not to bump into them. EVs only really go slow on multilane highways where overtaking isn't a problem. traffic in ex. a town would flow smoother since getting an EV up to the speed limit is simple. plus its not like i am concerned about my price per 100km(60miles) going up by 8 cents(about the difference between economy driving vs. dynamic driving) during my daily trips(which my car can do 5x over on a single charge).
@@ΑλέξηςΦ There are so many fallacies here that it's pretty ridiculous to bother, but here goes, you might learn thing or two;
Firstly, I know that people who want to destroy our world tend to be on the right in politics, but claiming that I was "Triggered" is honestly ridiculous. OTOH, you seem to have been "triggered" by every point I made, Unfortunately, the hypocrisy of the ICE lobby is never something to be ignored.
Secondly, I haven't had a suspension failure in over 1 million miles. and if you honestly think that cornering a bit harder is going to stress the suspension that much, maybe you should go back to school.
Thirdly, I have no0 idea what you meant to say with the "swivel road" phrase, but I certainly do have to drive on plenty of very, very tight corners on the roads around where I live. In fact, the road that is literally at the front of my house is one of the most popular for m/cycle riders coming out from Barcelona just for the fun of the corners. And yes, they do OFTEN misjudge the roads, so your comment is absolute BS.
Finally, you think that it's 500km from Barcelona to Cambridge?
You try to seem so knowledgeable, but that last comment just shows you up for being a total f**king idiot.
I set the cruise to 72 on the motorway and my average mi/kW has never been below 3.0 even on a 200 mile journey. I always have the music up full, my phone charging, my air con on and keep the regen on medium. I’m also a very heavy footed driver, always have been.
So basically it's just like a petrol or diesel car if you want better economy drive a little slower and smooth.
sorry but that nissan leaf where they drive more slower she was on a privet road not on the main road where you get other drivers up your back side and lots of road rage but if you are really brave enough to drive like what she saying then good luck !!!!
Interesting piece! Nice test and great tips! 🔌⚡🚘
Still, I can do it easy with my Ioniq with 5,3 miles per kwh in normal conditions.
I don’t quite get why turning regen off is good. If you want to keep the speed constant just don’t lift off the accelerator?
If you’re coming up to a corner with regen off you can lift off and coast sooner which will use less energy than regen on and keeping the accelerator on into the corner
@@one-35 you can also do the exact same amount of coasting using the pedal by just not lifting off completely
@@vladx2 but by not lifting off you still use electric, when I have regen off and coast I still regen 6-8kw approaching a corner, but with regen on and using the throttle to maintain a speed I’ll use 4kw
@@one-35 what car are you driving? It should be possible to keep the pedal pressed at the exact threshold between power and regen, which is equivalent to coasting. Tesla for example has a power meter on the dashboard which shows you the exact power flow, and you can balance it with the pedal. There should be a point on the pedal where there’s 6-8 kW of regen
@@one-35 I wish a MG ZS EV to have a coast mode I can easily control the speed properly.
all very well on empty track, but love to see you achieve that in the real world
In the real world getting 210miles of range at 3.5 miles per kWh in a Leaf e+ is normal. Driving smooth it'll be towards 5 miles per kWh. 2.8 that she got on her first go is basically 85mph down a motorway.
True. In the real world, while commuting in busy cities you don't need to worry about idling in EVs because it's equivalent of losing a drop or few compared to losing bucket loads of fuel in any I.C.Es and yes even Japanese Kei cars can use lots of petrol when idling. EVs are certainly ideal in cities esp. when dealing with heavy traffic and frequent stops at intersections. Not even I.C.Es with "stop-start" system will help. Heck that'll put strains onto the tiny starter motor of I.C.Es.
So yes in the real world EVs are great for short, local, city commutes. And you can even do a couple or few short motorway trips as long as you can charge home. You can make lots of short trips, many times as you like in EVs. You can do the same in any I.C.Es but don't cry if you have to pay more at the pump!
@@t8polestarcyan22 just keep in mind start-stop starter motors are different to traditional starters, needle bearings, slower rotations, sensors to detect tdc, that's why they start the engine as soon it activates compared when starting the car for the first time that may take several rotations, the wear and tear is negligible.
@@paulbryant4518 Really? I'm not so sure but here few things that I'm absolutely sure off.
Traditional starter motor - turn of a key, having to time when to let go off the starter switch
Newer computerised starter motor - press of a button. The computer automatically turn off the starter sequence.
Start/Stop system - newer starter motor with a layer of start/stop program command. Basically the stop/start is feature added onto a newer starter motor system. After all, they're computerised. This is one of a trick tactic to fool people so they'll have to fork more money to premature replace their starter motor. This is a trick to convince the general public for "improved fuel economy". True for fuel economy but at a cost of wearing the "newer" starter motor. For that I leave this start/stop feature "OFF"! Otherwise you might as well go for mild hybrid which has a bigger beefier electric motor. A mild hybrid is totally different to a pure I.C.E.
I regularly get 5.0 khw in my new Niro ev driving around town. Is it the car or my driving or a combo of both who knows?
Get there late, sweaty, bored... No thanks.
Maybe you should rewatch the video. You missed the message. And if you're getting bored by driving a bit slower, I suspect that you're more of a problem than you are willing to admit.
Manufacturers should consider a battery rental system and a easy to replace battery connect system that can be rolled out to existing fuel stations. A fixed battery is a stupid idea that is perpetuated by manufacturers.
There is already a company doing this, it's Chinese (of course) and is starting to roll out in, I believe, The Netherlands. Battery swaps take about 5 mins.
But actually, I think the greater problem is
a the constant complaints about "Range Anxiety" because, although some people may do 250km at a sitting, most don't. EVER.
b the infrastructure. Nor man I talking about high speed chargers. If most people only do 50-100 miles in a single trip, why is range anxiety a thing? I see the real problem is that we are used to "Having somewhere to fill up", so we expect a fast charger. But if every town, and every parking space had a plug that you could plug into while, for example, you're doing your shopping etc., that would actually be enough for the vast majority of users. It would even allow people who live in flats to have EVs. Then, the stress on fast chargers would be reduced and they could be freed up for people who really do need to do 250-400km in a single hit. And local authorities would be able to charge a small dividend, but it would still be much better than churning out CO and C into our increasingly toxic environments.
It's already happening in China. Nio is the one.
@@t8polestarcyan22 Thanks, I couldn't remember which one it was, and, tbs, I couldn't be bothered.
Unfortunately, Spain is one of those countries which hasn't had a very successful introduction of EVs. I suspect that one of the most significant factors is the high proportion of people who live in flats, and also the significantly lower disposable income.
We are now seeing some EVs, but it'll take a long time for many of these brands to even come to this country. We were one of the last countries to get Teslas, and even Tesla stations are very few and far between.
So I suspect that Nio will also arrive here much, much later than in other EU countries.
In 2012, Renault Fluence Z.E. had replaceable battery. An Israeli company was manufacturing the fast battery swap stations. However, it went bankrupt, and the whole idea died with it.
Disabling regen makes no sense... that is where you get energy back, anytime you slow down, vs wasting brake pads.
Doesn't matter highway or city (but city is lot important to be on, as lots of stopping.) If regen is off, anytime you slow, you are losing energy.
If you have cruise control on, and drive "smoothly" as advised, that should help reduce lots of stops/starts anyway.
What makes you think you know more about this than an expert? Spoiler alert...You don't! On the motorway the regen is counterproductive. With it on you lose speed quicker than if it were off, so yes it gains you a little bit of battery power but it will use more than the amount added, to get you back up to the motorway speed. Turning it off allows you to continue at motorway speeds while also not using any power. It's like the difference between leaving an ice car in gear or taking it out of gear and coasting.
So let me get this right, we are now expected to be sweaty in the summer, freezing in the winter, not listen to tunes, not charge your phone, drive very slowly, and plan a 6 hour coffee break when travelling more than 300 miles.
Progress eh?
Yeah you haven't got that right. Have another watch, it doesn't say you need to turn off heating/AC or not listen tunes or charge your phone. The tip was to slow down and drive smoothly, so less racing up to traffic lights and slamming on the brakes and then stomping on the accelerator. The other things are negligible on the range. 210 which is only 3.5miles per kWh which is normal driving, if you drive smoothly it'll be ~4.5 that's another 50 miles of range. Adding another tenth of a mile by not charging your phone or sitting in silence etc isn't exactly worth it. If you did need to charge on your 300mile+ journey it's about 25mins wait not 6hrs 😉 we're in 2022 not 2012.
Burning dead dinosaur juice, sold by evil dictators. Is that progressive?
@@aaaa-ig6sc turning on heating or aircon isn't negligible
@@stuartburns8657 AC is actually pretty negligible vs heating. If you kept the heating on full blast for the entire trip then it'll knock some miles off, however in reality you'll get it toasty and then turn it down. Once it's just maintaining the steady temperature then it's using a tiny amount of energy. Compared to driving style it's not worth turning off the AC/Heat in a modern EV, you used to do this a decade ago when battery were only 22kWh and every bit mattered. The main thing that affects 99% of the possible range is smooth driving and not mashing the accelerator and braking harshly but maintaining a steady pace.
@@aaaa-ig6sc Fair enough 👍
I don’t mean to be rude when I say this but aren’t those suggestions or tips slightly obvious?
Basically the don't mash the accelerator and hard on the brakes applies to any fuelled vehicle. The only take away here is the phone charging/music/AC/heating isn't worth turning off in a modern EV, it's driving smoothly.
@@aaaa-ig6sc Yea modern EVs tend to use a heat pump in my experiemce once at temp use around and sometimes less than 1kW, you lose around 4 miles for every hour you drive, lights, wipers, radio, phone etc all combined will maybe drop 1 mile for every hour driving but usually less.
It's like that for anything
The Best way to improve range is buy a petrol or Diesel car
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@@davyhoogy zzzzzzzz your comment zzzzz😴😴😴😴😴
@@themadcoachman ill keep enjoying the
@@davyhoogy you keep long recharge time , while I still be going for 3_ 4 times your miles before I fill up taking minutes
The best is to commute around town not doing lots of long motorway trips in EVs.
And yet another nail in the coffin!
Enjoying driving will soon be a thing of the past.
I recently had to drive in the UK. It already is.
Fortunately, I don't have to very often, and driving can be great fun, even when following these suggestions. You do realise that driving doesn't always just have to be about squealing wheels, 2 wheels-and-a-door-handle type driving.
Maybe you should try it sometime, other road users might also stop treating you like you were some kind of a**hole into the bargain.
@@davidcolin6519 you do realise that having sex doesn’t need to involve squealing, speed, and multiple positions? But sometimes, those things are so much fun!
At risk of being rude, is it possible for your presenters to get a quick 5 min education on the difference between power and energy? This lack of basic physics understanding really impacts the apparent professionalism of reporters/presenters.
So, I'm going to pay to top dollar, for high technology, and go slower?
bring powerbank along
Don't you worry, I have done 2 hours on a motorway on our EV and yet I still have more than enough charge to do some shopping.
Test flawed, after first test battery nice and warm. Then next test will see better efficiency. Both test should be driven at same speeds too. I own EV so know abit about them.
She only drove 10 miles at a speed of about 24mph. Hardly enough to warm the battery, and yes, I too own an EV.
Just common sense really. Do the same with any regular non EV and you'll get much better economy than driving it harder
1:38 how to squeeze out every mile possible - as she’s using the brake pedal… 🤦♂️
The absolute best way to improve EVs range is to do stringently local commutes like driving around cities, make multiple short trips such as driving from home to local shops but NOT making longer trips through motorways. I have done some short motorway trips and I'm surprised that I used no more than a bar (out of eight). For now EVs are really good for short commutes and you can do 2 minute drive to shops as many times as you like. You can do the same with I.C.Es but that'll cost you heck a lot more even with a Japanese Kei car.
Basically, just drive EVs around towns or do short trips. Leave I.C.Es for longer, faster trips esp. for holidays and weekend drives.
Disagree with you on that, something like a Tesla Model 3, Kia EV6 or Audi e-tron GT can all do long roadtrips in the same time as regular ICE vehicles. With their 250kw charging enabling you to fill your battery in 15-20 minutes, you'll be able to drive for 3-5 hours before taking a stop, at which point you probably want to get something to eat, pee, or just have a short break anyways. Either way it's like 10 minutes here or there, that's such a stupid thing to worry about for a trip you do so few times a year, you spend more time at a gas station every year anyways.
So evs are best for short journeys where you really should be walking or cycling. That's progress.
@@swecreations Doing road trips esp. on motorways, highways etc. proven to use more energy than city commutes. Yes those EVs as you've mention can do long trips but at cost of using more energy and bearing longer charge times. Also using fast chargers shorten batteries SOHs in general that is.
I have been using quick chargers before and yes that's fine as long as you can go and have a coffee, even better watch Netflix and such. Having said that it doesn't always work.
So why do I say EVs work so much better on short, city commutes? ICEs use way more fuel one way or another. Frequent stops on intersection esp. RED traffic lights simply use more fuel. In pure ICEs without "stop/start" feature simply use infinite amount of fuel but the ones with it risk premature starter motor and still use significant amount of fuel while accelerating. For that pure EVs are way better on that.
@@bikeman123 I only need to do 30km daily to work back and forth via motorways. Can you walk or even cycle on the same parts of roads?
@@t8polestarcyan22 I don't think you've driven a proper modern EV where you can drive on the motorway for 3-4 hours, stop and charge for 15-20 minutes and then drive another 3 hours on the motorway. It's at the point now where I'm the limiting factor rather than the car, I *want* a break.
An EV is 4 times more efficient than an ICE car on the motorway, which is less than the 8-10 times more efficient that they are in the city, but still much more efficient.
You also really shouldn't worry about the battery health aspect of fast-charging. If you're a taxi company running the batteries up to half a million to a million kilometers (which they do regularly) then sure, it might make a difference, but the rated cycle life of modern EV batteries nowadays (3-6000+ cycles) easily puts them in the millions of kilometers on a battery.
For the average person the only thing that really matters is the calendar aging, because you're never going to be able to put those kinds of kilometers on a car, which is why LFP batteries with their 20-30+ year rated lifespans are so nice, but even modern NMC batteries easily last 15 years or more.
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Please don’t condone driving slowly as it upsets other drivers. Please see the bigger picture, not just looking after yourself which seems to a British disease
Don't you worry. But I will not go 10 km/h over the limit because of our cops! BTW the only way I can really upset other (esp. non-EV) drivers is to use my EV's instant torque from the electric motor!
I stopped watching when she said that the Leaf she was in had a 62kW battery. If you are going to do a piece about EVs you should at least know the difference between kW and kWh..
Disappointing from such a major channel that this wasn't even picked up in editing.
Driving ev is a bit boring. Instead of enjoying driving, all I think is trying to be efficient. As soon as you put heating on or going 70 mph on motorway range drop. 😑
A 62kW battery? 😔 That's 62kWh with a 59kWh usable. Worrying when a presenter gets this wrong calling capacity in kilowatts.
Why? everybody knows that it not really KW, but KWh. You're the 2nd person to have pointed this out, but it is simply journalistic shorthand, it's hardly as if this sort of thing is new...
@@davidcolin6519 it's like how fast were you going and saying 40mile, instead of 40mph. If they said 40mile you would guess what they meant mph but it's wrong to confuse distance and speed. The exact same goes for power and energy. If they say kW then the average person watching won't realise the mistake and repeat it.
Electric cars are a joke. Yes batteries are getting better but they also deteriorate over time just like your mobile phone battery. It's not if but when and when it happens wace goodbye to thousands and thousands replacing them
You can’t get mad at the battery technology though just like humans our body deteriorate and we eventually die so you cannot get mad at a man-made product it won’t last forever
If you charge your phone between 25 and 75% you'll never have battery deterioration problems, my last phone I had for 3 years and I lost pretty much no battery.
@@kristoffer3000 it all depends on the battery technology if you have a lithium polymer battery which is otherwise known as lipo you won't have that issue
There are cars now which are almost 10 years old, and only have less than 10% degradation on the battery. Not to mention zero problems, servicing every 2 hrs, and still like new. If they are properly made with good thermo management systems, they can outlast ice cars, so what you are saying is all nonsense. It’s like everything else, ice cars have a life expectancy as well, some die early, some die later, and a new engine is cheap? People always talking out of their butts about this all the time. Think before writing stupid stuff. And please, do some research! There is plenty of literature now about ev’s.
@@gianvisentin1232 on a 10 Hour old car, I would hope there is NO battery degradation! I assume you meant 10 year old car.
Absolutely ridiculous…
Best way to increase ev range is to call a tow truck.
Tell me how funny that is when your kids are dying from the pollution your ICE has spewed into the environment. Won't happen because you'll be dead long before?
Don't bet on it.
Yeah noone cares about EV now...
So with todays high prices in electricity… even with high prices in fuel…. It costs the same to run this car as a 52mpg car which most diesels of same size car get easily without having to be so cautious on the roads… get more miles to the tank, 2 minutes to fill up & costa a lot less to buy the vehicle 🤣🤔
It's costs me £2.50 for a full charge of 180 miles. I'll take that.
Not sure how you calculate that, 50 mpg is 11 miles per litre. One litre petrol costs £1.65 approx (obviously more for diesel) so 15p per mile. In bad circumstances an EV gets 3 miles per kWh. Taking the worst case scenario that you don't have a "night tariff" available and have to charge at a price of 30p per kWh (which if own an EV it's very unlikely you will be) it still works out at 10p per mile. So your petrol car would need to be doing 75 mpg and your diesel even more than that to get to the worst case scenario of electric car cost.
@@alexwort7326 I’d love to know who urs supplier is!! My current supplier has put me up to 39.9p per kWh 😢 and diesel for me is 175 at the moment
You know what's cheaper than buying ANY electric car? Keeping the one you've got!
Suddenly it doesn't matter about fuel costs when you're £30,000-100,000 better off
@@rob121212blue I know people that still only pay 28p per KWh
Just buy a petrol car.
…and have money left over!
@@saw1898 Which you'll spend over the life of the vehicle, and then spend some more, and some more, and more after that.
If I were to buy a KIAS Niro EV today, AND spend €10k extra on a full solar array, the savings over the life of the vehicle would pay for the next vehicle in less than 10 years, and I'd still have the cash from selling the Niro at the end of it.
But you? You'd be spending that extra €24k difference on fuel and maintenance every single day. You'd also be paying for your electric for the rest of your life, and you'd have a car that nobody wants to buy because petrol and diesel are going to become increasingly difficult to obtain once car makers are no longer allowed to sell you ICEs. In some countries, that is less than 8 years away.
I suppose erven dinosaurs must have thought they were being clever.
@@davidcolin6519 what’s the life of the battery? And what’s the battery warranty? Those are the two biggest factors at play here. Also, I don’t know what continent you reside on, but in North America, I still can’t realistically take an EV on a road trip. Meaning I couldn’t jump in an EV and drive 12 1500 miles etc. It’s not realistic. Stopping at a charging station versus stopping at a gas station to fill up are two entirely different animals. The infrastructure is not yet in place.
@@saw1898 What's the life of a battery?
There isn't an EV battery manufacturer that doesn't guarantee at least 80% of the battery charge left after 8 years of life. They all have an 8 year guarantee at minimum, and the condition of the battery will hold at least 80% of its original capacity. And the number of claims against these warranties is very low, from what I know.
You claim that a road trip isn't realistic, yet there are plenty of people who have done them in several of the longer ranged EVs like Teslas, KIAs and Hyundais, and they certainly have charge times that are not particularly onerous (as little as 18 mins for the Hyundai group cars - as long as it takes to sit down for a cup of coffee)
"Road Trips" may be a "thing", I don't honestly know how many people have actually been on one, but I do know quite a few Americans, and in spite of the Hollywood image, not many people actually do them. In fact, of the people I know, less that 5% have actually done one. Unless, of course, you are referring to travelling to a destination over a period of days. Under those conditions, I would say that yes, plenty of people travel 600-1000 miles to go on holiday. But you take a day or two at it, and I don't see how an EV makes that impossible.
@@davidcolin6519 well, I take two 1200+ road trips a year, sometimes 3. My point is, the infrastructure is not “there”, at least in NA. I’m not apposed to an EV, that the way things are going. Just there seems to be an issue of “ putting the cart before the horse” here.
You really don't understand EV's!!!
Seconddddddddd
Just get an EV6 or Ioniq 5 problem solved
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Wow your life must be very exciting and your mom should be proud of you