@@johnhudelson2652 The barren black robe is what judges wear in the U.S., not Lutheran pastors. Watching videos from some Lutheran parishes in Germany reminds me of Protestant [Reformed/ Methodist/ Anabaptists] ministers. It is a sterile presentation. Lutherans believe in the Real Presence and the altar represents Christ.
@@charleshappold4637 Paul Gerhardt, a staunch Lutheran pastor, theologian, and prolific hymnwriter, who lived in the 1600's, wore a black robe with Genevan bands just like a Reformed pastor.
@@johnhudelson2652 Thanks, John. I am old enough to remember a Geneva gown in my childhood LCMS parish. A new pastor from Wisconsin was installed in our congregation. He wore a Genevan robe and stole at his first liturgy. By the second Sunday, Pastor was additionally vested in a surplice courtesy of the altar guild. Shortly after our pastor attended his first circuit and synod/ district events the Geneva gown was replaced in favor of alb and chasuble. Peer pressure? Maybe, but he adapted to what were the common vestments and perhaps keep peace with the women of the altar guild. This was back in the late 1960's. Now copes are worn. Vestments are adiaphora for Lutherans. But worldwide Lutheranism generally follows the historic apostolic use of vestments/ crucifixes/ altar paraments/ candles. These medieval Lutheran churches in Germany reflect our catholicity with statues of the Blessed Virgin/Holy Apostles. Lutherans did not discard religious art/ icons or liturgical practice unlike the Reformed and all other Protestants except Anglicans. The liturgy is a drama, the work of the faithful. To see these Lutheran or EKD pastors stand before these ecclesiastically rich altars dressed like a lay court official and not even bow or kneel is disappointing and, a betrayal of Lutheran theology of the Cross/ sacramental Presence of Christ, in my opinion.
Danke!
Amen - und Dankeschön von draußen vor der Stadt! Allen einen gesegneten Sonntag Judika!
A blessed Judica Sunday to all viewers from Leipzig!
St Thomas Church is glorious. The music is magnificent. But the clergy vest like Reformed ministers, not Lutheran. Is this a Protestant EKD parish?
Lutheran ministers also wear the Genevan bands in Germany
@@johnhudelson2652 The barren black robe is what judges wear in the U.S., not Lutheran pastors. Watching videos from some Lutheran parishes in Germany reminds me of Protestant [Reformed/ Methodist/ Anabaptists] ministers. It is a sterile presentation. Lutherans believe in the Real Presence and the altar represents Christ.
@@charleshappold4637 Paul Gerhardt, a staunch Lutheran pastor, theologian, and prolific hymnwriter, who lived in the 1600's, wore a black robe with Genevan bands just like a Reformed pastor.
@@johnhudelson2652 Thanks, John. I am old enough to remember a Geneva gown in my childhood LCMS parish. A new pastor from Wisconsin was installed in our congregation. He wore a Genevan robe and stole at his first liturgy. By the second Sunday, Pastor was additionally vested in a surplice courtesy of the altar guild. Shortly after our pastor attended his first circuit and synod/ district events the Geneva gown was replaced in favor of alb and chasuble. Peer pressure? Maybe, but he adapted to what were the common vestments and perhaps keep peace with the women of the altar guild. This was back in the late 1960's. Now copes are worn.
Vestments are adiaphora for Lutherans.
But worldwide Lutheranism generally follows the historic apostolic use of vestments/ crucifixes/ altar paraments/ candles. These medieval Lutheran churches in Germany reflect our catholicity with statues of the Blessed Virgin/Holy Apostles. Lutherans did not discard religious art/ icons or liturgical practice unlike the Reformed and all other Protestants except Anglicans.
The liturgy is a drama, the work of the faithful. To see these Lutheran or EKD pastors stand before these ecclesiastically rich altars dressed like a lay court official and not even bow or kneel is disappointing and, a betrayal of Lutheran theology of the Cross/ sacramental Presence of Christ, in my opinion.