man i wish someone posted guides like this for marksman. You do such a good job on them. I'll probably wind up going back to survival since i really enjoy the spec so much, but i wanted to give mm a good solid try as well Thanks again Bicmex
Just saw you win that 1v1 competition, great plays! I was wondering if you could ever make a video explaining how to kite effectively. I'm pretty new to PVP and find it pretty difficult to kite away when players pop their CDs
Hey Bicmex, love the guide. quick question, is mongoose bit literally the last button to worry bout after using all ur other spells? or is it a big chunk of your dps
Great guide! I think pack leader is significantly stronger. The 30% crit damage at all times is too insane to pass up. I did a few test and sentinel was doing about 19% of my damage and pack leader about 12. But that's not including the 30% crit damage
Great guide man. Unfortunately the Hunter Surv is not so "tanky" as they said :( but we have to be satisfied and wait for a tuning of the class.. thank you
Lol this shit helped me out so much. I was definitely not respecting the rotation at all lol I couldn't figure out why I was doing no damage at all. Tip the spear procs are key. Basically, just hit Kill Command on CD and make sure you have Tip the Spear up for the good stuff. I was not kill commanding enough because it regens focus and so I was more prioritizing it to regain focus when I was running out.. not realizing the procs I was getting from it. Literally doing so much more damage now. I looked up your spec on armory to get a more updated version of it and noticed you arent running mongoose bite/bloody claws any more, but are picking up Exposed flank/outland Venom, Is this a PVE thing? Will you run the hunter 4 set in PVP? 20% buff to mongoose bite when wildfire bomb is up seems REALLY good. Wouldn't mind another update after the coming patch!
Hope too see the futur video soon ! 😇 Very important question : how do you switch from the target to the healer ? Do you use specific macro that by default focus the healer (which i do : #showtooltip /cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Harpon ) and i have an other mouse bind to do the normal spell if i clic on the person icon but this part is a bit less pratical if you have to be in motion (using also the mouse) while casting. For exemple i have this for Harpon and Assault and every control. The thing is that if you uses theses macros you can only use them on the healer (as long as you have a focus) or you have to add different binds for each spell (target and focus) ! :/ Maybe you use the mouse to target the right target before each control or cast ? I've seen you use intimidation on an other target than your actual target without having any focus on screen (maybe focus is hided in your UI idk^^) I'm really wondering how you manager your tagets wich i thing is a very important point no one is talking about ! Thanks a lot in advance ! Sure it can make a greate video again ! :) I had some macro i like and i wanted to share with you see what you think of it : #showtooltip Piqûre chimérique(Talent JcJ) /cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Muselière /cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Piqûre chimérique(Talent JcJ) -> Super nice macro i think, prob the best /cqs /castsequence [@focus, exists, nodead] [] reset=5 Désengagement, Flèche de dispersion, Intimidation /castsequence [@focus, exists, nodead] [] reset=5 Flèche de dispersion, Intimidation /cast [@focus, exists, nodead] Intimidation -> Very interesting to my ming (i use a scroll button on the mouse to cast desengage) and that's it for now. Sry din"t check among your macros yet if they alrdy exist.. Btw I'd love to see more people play the variant of concusive shot ! maybe in 2v2 ? :) Sry many things..
Thank you. What a great guide. Excellent. What would you change for BGs? I don't really find grinding arena to be fun so I prefer to play BG Blitz. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that. My guess is to pick up more AoE stuff, wilfire stuff similar to PvE but with more of the defensive stuff added in.
What do you think about the +20% to wildfire bomb with Howl of the Pack announced in the 20th anniversary update? I enjoy the flow of pack leader more and want it to be viable haha
Bro in 11.0.5 they nerfed bombardier talent. No longer gives 2 charges of explosive shot at the end. It gives 1 charge now, and that charge hits 3 targets. So if anyone is in cross CC, it’ll wake them up. Plus it’s less single target damage
Yoo - thoughts on sentinel owl keeping you in combat for its duration? I was able to feign+camo in between the owls attacks - but could there be a situation where this messes with getting away?
Can you go over your hot keys/macros? Just coming back to arena after many years. What is Ctb and AWU? Is that control + and alt + mouse wheel up? Is Sx shift + x? Any macros?
They finally Nerfed kodo tranquilizer, so now it only takes one off your main target and one off two additional targets. I figured that was going to get nerfed eventually. No more double purge on primary target FTL.
So we do use a stack on Explosive shot? I just made a bug report on the forums about Explosive Shot not getting buffed by Tip of the Spear and someone said it doesnt get buffed because it isnt Direct damage
more damage from distance with kill command spam (can't really be melee range) playing with a rogue or feral in 2s, plus the extra survivability from den recovery
On the hero root talent you were saying will have to be nerfed, the tooltip showed 1/minute, 3 second duration. Is that so bad or is it happening more than once a minute?
I hope they will do somethig with pack leader. I love self healing on deffensive side of that hero talents but other them that there is no dmg and fun in it. You r forced to press a lot of kc and it is still worst then sentinel where you just do your "rotation".
I feel all hunter specs feel this way currently. Been trying MM and it feels smooth to play but feels unimpactful. Maybe I'm just bad but I've been roughly 2k rating for a few years now on him.
@@BrutalBakiyeh with the size of hp pools and the fact your aimed shots crit 1.3m max it is very unimpactful. Ice lance hits about the same and is instant
Hes been the top SV player for a long time and when other top PvPers or R1s talk about SV saying the spec isnt good people respond to them with but Bicmex and the immediate response from most top PvP players is "We shouldnt count or give Bicmex as an example because hes an alien/insane/prodigy on SV". While i agree that hes probably the best SV PvP player in the world theres many that are high rated aswell and if you put enough time into it you might graze the ceilling aswell.
the old disc knock shining force also wasn't on any dr, from what I know bursting shot is the only knock in the game that doesn't trigger any sort of dr
I don't hate pack leader with no healer in 2s. It's kind of nice. But sentinel is just better in most cases. It sucks. Pack Leader is just so boring too.
I literally only came back to play hunter because of the cheetah talent, i thought to myself, wow they added a subtle synergistic tech, maybe its not that good but i see they care about the talent tree, now you tell me its bugged, and i was disappointed with it the whole time because i felt it was bugged, (didnt tested tho im lazy) like wtf blizzard, you make a sublte cool synergy and its bugged, and then the 2 dead talent, i convinced now everyone on current blizzard team needs to be fired.
the dmg section is a bit confusing. my feedback would be to actually lay it down. you jump back and forth a lot. even as experienced surv player it can be confusing. if you think theres many dmg rotations why not show them on screen and do a quick breakdown? go ABC, ABD, ABE, instead you went DBABABABDBDBADBABADABDABDB. VERY hard to follow your train of thought - still awesome video!!!
Survival rotation is not piano like, kinda hard to do like you want. Survival rotation is all about priority, lots of "if"s... If focus is at 77+ use "x", if not use "y", if you are about to cap bomb stacks use bombs, otherwise use bombs with tip of the spear, if you have tip and flanking, use flanking and etc...
@@pedrothin oh yeah pedro we all know the basics i would assume. just the order he went through the possibilities and explanation around it can be weird to listen to. i think its fairly easy to make like three examples of possible rotations and then explain why and sort of how to adapt to the situation. you're almost there with your kind of explanation tho.
"Short little guide" 33min video...I love it! :D
Exactly, 1/3 the length of his normal guides.
Finally! Thank you! Hands down the best Hunter in wow
our survival savior, thanks for the guide big guy
Highlight of an expansion launch, honestly!!
man i wish someone posted guides like this for marksman. You do such a good job on them. I'll probably wind up going back to survival since i really enjoy the spec so much, but i wanted to give mm a good solid try as well Thanks again Bicmex
Amazing video. Thank you Survival Lord Bicmex!
Been waiting for this!
Thank you. Been feeling like a ninja all day after watching this.
"Always go Mongoose Bite, thank you." 😂😂
Sounded like he was concluding a Ted Talk with that statement 😂😂
lookin fwd to the BIG guide!
I love these videos at the start of every season in the hunter order hall of legion lol
Just saw you win that 1v1 competition, great plays!
I was wondering if you could ever make a video explaining how to kite effectively. I'm pretty new to PVP and find it pretty difficult to kite away when players pop their CDs
Here it is! Waiting for this
Thank you! Been playing since BC but had never played Surv. I am hooked on it!
11:18 what a stroke :D
i was tryna come up with words to express how bad the talent is with how low amount of crit you'll end up playing 😭
he almost died 😢
Hey Bicmex, love the guide. quick question, is mongoose bit literally the last button to worry bout after using all ur other spells? or is it a big chunk of your dps
Great guide! I think pack leader is significantly stronger. The 30% crit damage at all times is too insane to pass up. I did a few test and sentinel was doing about 19% of my damage and pack leader about 12. But that's not including the 30% crit damage
Great guide man. Unfortunately the Hunter Surv is not so "tanky" as they said :( but we have to be satisfied and wait for a tuning of the class.. thank you
Thanks for the amazing video! I appreciate you!
7:40 i guess it works on spell that buff crit but don't if it exits and it would also be so little (like for outland venom talent 12:00)
This was super helpful, thank you.
Lol this shit helped me out so much. I was definitely not respecting the rotation at all lol I couldn't figure out why I was doing no damage at all. Tip the spear procs are key. Basically, just hit Kill Command on CD and make sure you have Tip the Spear up for the good stuff. I was not kill commanding enough because it regens focus and so I was more prioritizing it to regain focus when I was running out.. not realizing the procs I was getting from it. Literally doing so much more damage now. I looked up your spec on armory to get a more updated version of it and noticed you arent running mongoose bite/bloody claws any more, but are picking up Exposed flank/outland Venom, Is this a PVE thing? Will you run the hunter 4 set in PVP? 20% buff to mongoose bite when wildfire bomb is up seems REALLY good. Wouldn't mind another update after the coming patch!
Fantastic guide, thanks so much!
Been waiting on this one. Any guidance for builds for dueling/1v1? Also really sad to hear about the cheetah bugs =(
Hope too see the futur video soon ! 😇
Very important question : how do you switch from the target to the healer ?
Do you use specific macro that by default focus the healer (which i do : #showtooltip
/cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Harpon ) and i have an other mouse bind to do the normal spell if i clic on the person icon but this part is a bit less pratical if you have to be in motion (using also the mouse) while casting. For exemple i have this for Harpon and Assault and every control. The thing is that if you uses theses macros you can only use them on the healer (as long as you have a focus) or you have to add different binds for each spell (target and focus) ! :/
Maybe you use the mouse to target the right target before each control or cast ? I've seen you use intimidation on an other target than your actual target without having any focus on screen (maybe focus is hided in your UI idk^^)
I'm really wondering how you manager your tagets wich i thing is a very important point no one is talking about !
Thanks a lot in advance ! Sure it can make a greate video again ! :)
I had some macro i like and i wanted to share with you see what you think of it :
#showtooltip Piqûre chimérique(Talent JcJ)
/cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Muselière
/cast [@focus, exists, nodead] [] Piqûre chimérique(Talent JcJ)
-> Super nice macro i think, prob the best
/cqs
/castsequence [@focus, exists, nodead] [] reset=5 Désengagement, Flèche de dispersion, Intimidation
/castsequence [@focus, exists, nodead] [] reset=5 Flèche de dispersion, Intimidation
/cast [@focus, exists, nodead] Intimidation
-> Very interesting to my ming (i use a scroll button on the mouse to cast desengage)
and that's it for now. Sry din"t check among your macros yet if they alrdy exist..
Btw I'd love to see more people play the variant of concusive shot ! maybe in 2v2 ? :)
Sry many things..
such good info it's crazy
Thank you. What a great guide. Excellent. What would you change for BGs? I don't really find grinding arena to be fun so I prefer to play BG Blitz. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that. My guess is to pick up more AoE stuff, wilfire stuff similar to PvE but with more of the defensive stuff added in.
waiting for this for months. thx from China suv hunter.👍👍
Thanks good starting guide!
nice video!
@bicmex Do you know why nobody is taking mongoose Bite now?
FINALLY!!
thannnnksssss mr bicmex
Can you do a UI and add on video I love your simple ui
What do you think about the +20% to wildfire bomb with Howl of the Pack announced in the 20th anniversary update? I enjoy the flow of pack leader more and want it to be viable haha
Bro in 11.0.5 they nerfed bombardier talent. No longer gives 2 charges of explosive shot at the end. It gives 1 charge now, and that charge hits 3 targets. So if anyone is in cross CC, it’ll wake them up. Plus it’s less single target damage
@@SIIKAP1 yeah I'm not a fan of that change, I also don't think it was even in the notes. Had to discover it myself
MAN MYTH LEGEND
Yoo - thoughts on sentinel owl keeping you in combat for its duration? I was able to feign+camo in between the owls attacks - but could there be a situation where this messes with getting away?
Can you go over your hot keys/macros? Just coming back to arena after many years. What is Ctb and AWU? Is that control + and alt + mouse wheel up? Is Sx shift + x? Any macros?
Amazing vid, thank you so much.
Can/Do you have an updated UI addon?
I love it
They finally Nerfed kodo tranquilizer, so now it only takes one off your main target and one off two additional targets. I figured that was going to get nerfed eventually. No more double purge on primary target FTL.
Would you ever consider to make a BG setup? Maybe more AOE based too for example.
Hey man ! It's been a while ! Why don"t you post some videos of just you playing ? :)
it feels horrible to depend so much on my pet now
So we do use a stack on Explosive shot? I just made a bug report on the forums about Explosive Shot not getting buffed by Tip of the Spear and someone said it doesnt get buffed because it isnt Direct damage
Why do you like the idea of pack leader for double dps 2s over sentinel?
more damage from distance with kill command spam (can't really be melee range) playing with a rogue or feral in 2s, plus the extra survivability from den recovery
On the hero root talent you were saying will have to be nerfed, the tooltip showed 1/minute, 3 second duration. Is that so bad or is it happening more than once a minute?
dont get it where do i find my serpent sting on target? get every other dot up so i see it but not serpent sting , haha maybe im stupid xD
SV has evolved from never pressing KC in arena to using it like every other global... Ugh I do not like this rework
yea it's kinda awkward :(
I hope they will do somethig with pack leader. I love self healing on deffensive side of that hero talents but other them that there is no dmg and fun in it. You r forced to press a lot of kc and it is still worst then sentinel where you just do your "rotation".
pack leader would be so much better if it just had any synergy with wildfire bomb/explosive shot
That's true. Thank You for your content and skill.
tytyty
how long it took you too get the scythe of the unmaker?
subbed !
im just leveld a surv hunter from 0-80 to learn the rotation, gnna try games with my friend
Hey mate , can you please give us the long version :)?
planning on making one when 11.0.5 comes out since survival will be very different then >:D
look how they massacred my boy :(
I feel all hunter specs feel this way currently. Been trying MM and it feels smooth to play but feels unimpactful. Maybe I'm just bad but I've been roughly 2k rating for a few years now on him.
@@BrutalBakiyeh with the size of hp pools and the fact your aimed shots crit 1.3m max it is very unimpactful. Ice lance hits about the same and is instant
@@Minerals333and yet many youtubers are crying that MM is OP and needs nerfs to aimed shot
didnt blizzard remove the raptor strike pvp modifier??
Bro explain the new change pls my lord
Ty
what is the pvp tires of survial right now ?
YIPPEEE
How do you know all this stuff!! You put all the other guides on youtube to shame 😂❤🎉
Hes been the top SV player for a long time and when other top PvPers or R1s talk about SV saying the spec isnt good people respond to them with but Bicmex and the immediate response from most top PvP players is "We shouldnt count or give Bicmex as an example because hes an alien/insane/prodigy on SV".
While i agree that hes probably the best SV PvP player in the world theres many that are high rated aswell and if you put enough time into it you might graze the ceilling aswell.
What pet type should I go for as Survi hunt
Typically same as BM so undead raptor for freedom and mortal strike. Undead for fear immunity. Can direhorn if you need hp shout instead of freedom
hmm, no scrappy talents, interesting
I didn't know bursting was on it's own dr.
the old disc knock shining force also wasn't on any dr, from what I know bursting shot is the only knock in the game that doesn't trigger any sort of dr
I don't hate pack leader with no healer in 2s. It's kind of nice. But sentinel is just better in most cases. It sucks. Pack Leader is just so boring too.
zugzug
Will you go dracthyr? Lol
naah too ugly
First
33 minutes? is this shorts or what?
I literally only came back to play hunter because of the cheetah talent, i thought to myself, wow they added a subtle synergistic tech, maybe its not that good but i see they care about the talent tree, now you tell me its bugged, and i was disappointed with it the whole time because i felt it was bugged, (didnt tested tho im lazy) like wtf blizzard, you make a sublte cool synergy and its bugged, and then the 2 dead talent, i convinced now everyone on current blizzard team needs to be fired.
that’s a bit excessive.
@@thunderstein5041 then explain why do we get 3 patchnote and many rework in the first 2 week? surely because evereything was ready and tested
the dmg section is a bit confusing. my feedback would be to actually lay it down. you jump back and forth a lot. even as experienced surv player it can be confusing. if you think theres many dmg rotations why not show them on screen and do a quick breakdown? go ABC, ABD, ABE, instead you went DBABABABDBDBADBABADABDABDB. VERY hard to follow your train of thought - still awesome video!!!
I agree it becomes almost stressful trying to sit through lol his other videos are like this too
Survival rotation is not piano like, kinda hard to do like you want. Survival rotation is all about priority, lots of "if"s...
If focus is at 77+ use "x", if not use "y", if you are about to cap bomb stacks use bombs, otherwise use bombs with tip of the spear, if you have tip and flanking, use flanking and etc...
@@pedrothin oh yeah pedro we all know the basics i would assume. just the order he went through the possibilities and explanation around it can be weird to listen to. i think its fairly easy to make like three examples of possible rotations and then explain why and sort of how to adapt to the situation. you're almost there with your kind of explanation tho.
i kinda just did everything in one take - i'll have everything make more sense in a later guide i'll spend more time on :D