The Story Behind Some Of History's Greatest Military Blunders | Politics By Other Means | Timeline
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2017
- Examining the strategic failures of politicians. Included: the defeat of the Crusaders at the battle of Hattin in 1187. Also: Fascist Italy led by Benitto Mussolini invades Ethiopian territory in 1935; and Ronald Reagan orders the invasion of Grenada in 1983.
We have long saluted military genius and bravery. But the other side of the coin is military incompetence - a largely preventable, tragically expensive, yet totally absorbing aspect of human behaviour.
From the Crusades to Vietnam, history is littered with examples of stupidity, obduracy, brutality and sheer breath-taking incompetence. Lack of communication, technological failure and a misplaced sense of superiority have led to the deaths of thousands of ordinary soldiers, let down by their masters and betrayed by arrogance. Using a combination of history, human interest and archive footage underpinned by powerful story-telling, Great Military Blunders charts man’s folly and cruelty in a series of stunning debacles, spanning almost a thousand years of conflict.
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The video doesn't mention the invasion of Grenada happened two days after the suicide bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut, where it was revealed they marines guarding the gate were not issued any ammunition. One can't help but wonder if a large part of Regan's motivation for the invasion was to provide a distraction and morale boost from his last debacle.
What arrant nonsense. "One can't help but wonder if a large part of " this tripe is from a Demorat brought up in the misery of a Marxist ignorance.
Perhaps, but maybe it was a step in rebuilding US assertiveness that culminated in the Berlin Wall coming down, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the liberation of tens of millions of people in Eastern Europe from Soviet/Communist oppression. Or are those debates too in your value system?
My memory of that time was that after Reagan had been humiliated by the Marines' deaths in Beirut, he immediately turned around and invaded a country named after a car!
As Iraq war vet, I can say the same about George W Bush.
...I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE KUWAITIS APPRECIATE WHAT GEORGE BUSH DID FOR THEM-(!)
@@daleburrell6273 not the same conflict
@@briggbe1 "SODOM" HUSSEIN WAS AN EVIL SON OF A B#TCH- AND THE WORLD IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT HIM-!!!
@@daleburrell6273 he’s talking about 03
@@briggbe1 ...GIVE IT UP- YOU'VE LOST THE ARGUMENT-(!)
Ronnie needed an easy victory after having his hat handed to him in Beirut so his minions picked the weakest opponent they could find.
Time line on Grenada about 9 months
@@Losantiville
That is not true.
Date of Beirut bombing: 10/23/1983
Date of Grenada invasion: 10/25/1983
@@spaceman081447 Initial plans for
Grenada operations plans began 9 months prior to invasion. To get the Marine Amphibious units and support ships in place takes 2 days prep plus sailing time.
@@Losantiville
I see what you mean. So the invasion wasn't as impulsive as it seemed. Then what was Reagan's motivation? Why couldn't they have done better reconnaissance and better intelligence gathering in general?
@@spaceman081447 The military was out of practice with joint operations. Operation Eagle Claw was the first joint operation since Vietnam. They were just beginning to contemplate joint operations. Some changes were in development, the problems were from lack of a system. The lessons learned went into a system that worked well in Panama and first Gulf War.
There's an interesting parallel between the fascist dictators Mussolini and Franco.
Mussolini got greedy, entered WWII, was summarily executed in 1945, and his body hung upside-down.
Franco was satisfied with what Spain had, refused Hitler's request to join the fighting, died in his bed in 1975, and was given a state funeral.
To me, a long life isn't much of a consolation when history ends up hating you just the same. Franco only got to live about 20 years longer that Mussolini anyway (Franco died at the age of 82, Mussolini at 62)
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 Yeah, 20 years and being beaten to death and then strung up by his heels.
Franco not only lived 20 more years than Mussolini, he died peacefully. Mussolini was left unrecognizable by the fatal beating he took from his loyal subjects. It took him awhile to die. Same with his mistress. But, yeah... fairly small difference in outcomes.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 : Meh. Man lived a long life and died in his own bed. Do you really think he cares what history thinks of him?
@@harrymills2770 You really think it matters what he thought? He will be hated for eternity. The end.
@@skipdreadman8765 Ultimately, there is no difference in outcomes- not one iota. They'll both be hated equally by history forever. You really think 20 years makes a difference to eternity?
Going into Grenada in a big hurry meant we did not have current maps and did not know just what various buildings housed. This meant we shelled the local hospital by mistake. In the aftermath, many people said they were more afraid while they were being "rescued" than beforehand. Doing some thinking beforehand might have been a good idea.
Bush - Iraq debacle , " doing some thinking beforehand might have been a good idea ". Same same ,dumb dumb . I think it was all about an attempt by both of them to look good in the history books , manufacturing their legacy .
Russia is making quite a few mistikes in Ukraine
Shelling a hospital is a war crime.
The Falklands war launched by the Argentinian dictatorship was another example of a war waged for political gains. And it ended really bad for them.
indeed in argentina and being british, you will always get asked about it. the way to conclude any such debate is that their dictatorship failed as soon as they lost the falklands. finally they were a free people again & no one debates that that was not a great thing.
Definitely.
are you kidding me? how stupid are you?
what war was not waged for political gains?read your history before you spout your rubbish
@@johnkiernan5349 are you an Argentinian posing as an Anglo?
Great documentary, thank you.
These videos keep changing
Narrator: Reagan had taken the USA to war while sidelining political debate
Statue of Benjamin Franklin: 🤔
Never, ever trust a politician whether he be a lowly city councilman or the president of the United States.
...and be certain to run around in circles feeling sorry for yourself, right, Dennis?
The lowler local ones... just trust as much as you would anyone else. Politician, engineer, teacher, plumber, yardworker... they all have biased views and stuff relating to their jobs, and self security. Plenty of people are also just idiots in lots of areas or work with logical fallacies and don't realize it. Most of them are also though well intentioned people, but not all.
High level politicians, are like high level business people though, they only manage to get up there 99% of the time, by having fought others for it and having been seeking that position of power through often whatever means are necessary. The result, you usually only get the dirtier more ruthless types in higher positions because they are the ones that want that position, and will do the things that allow them to attain it more easily than others. Still not necessarily bad people, but much less likely to be people that share the moral compass of your average person, and view on doing what's right and not cheating or doing more questionable things. And also, once you sinc years into something and finally get to that position, business or politics, you are much more cautious about losing it and will do more to hold onto it than someone who just won a local council seat or who got promoted to a local manager position or something over a year of effort and work.
Power corrupts regardless of position.
yahh, if that politician is from USA..
When you think you had a bad day:
These videos soothe.
Actors work and live in a fantasy world.
Sometimes, they totally lose sight of reality.
Reagan was one of them.
ronnie rambo reagan ducked combat during WWII because poor eyesight rendered him 4F so he faithfully served America making films hunkered down in Hollywood
1:38 -- The First Crusade was undertaken in response to a request for aide by Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos. The Turks had captured most of Anatolia, and Alexios wanted military assistance to retake Nicaea and Antioch. Pope Urban II urged the princes of Europe to undertake this war of liberation.
The Reconquista in Spain and Portugal (the capturing of Muslim territories by Christian rulers) had been underway for some time already.
There was no intention to massacre the Muslims. European warfare during this age tended to be Very brutal.
It should also be remembered that the Muslims had been equally busy invading Europe -- and that they would continue to invade Europe for centuries.
Kevin Byrne well yes but they also made a decision to terrorise the non Christian inhabitants so that they left Jerusalem.
The 2 things are true.
@@dianeshelton9592you mean the Muslims that allowed Jews to pray after they took it from the Christians and respected and ensured that it's churches thrive? I forgot you meant the orthodox,Muslims and Jews population of Jerusalem that were massacred by the crusaders? It's getting complicated
@@Klopp2543 It is complicated if you let it. try to simplify it for you some what. Why were the Islamic in Jerusalem in the first place? The answer is simple, they conquered until some one could stop them. There holy book tells them they can declare holy war for two reasons, to drive out an invader and to spread Islam. Any ruler who wants more land to enrich him self has a ready made excuse. They had spread them selves from India to Spain, they controlled all of the trade from the East, they hammered every island and country in the Mediterranean and demanded protection money from the countries who tried to do business, including the United states. I do not understand why the Christian countries are held up as villains in this, they were victims who simply tried to fight back. Any war that they started was religious in nature even WW1 is called in their lands as the Jihad of 1914.
@@stephenodell9688 at times try some research it helps.
1. Holy war(jihad) is allowed in 3 instances. First driving out an invader. Second if practicing Islam is outlawed and thirdly and the best is against temptation of oneself.
Ww1 was started by Muslims? Jeez are you for real? Wow that's new.
Ancient empires tended to conquest as the norm. Question is was the Islamic conquests solely for conversion to Islam? If yes then they failed terribly majority of middle east, north Africa and India took 3 or more centuries to convert and there are huge Christian and Jew population present. Armenia,Georgia,Greece,Andalusia and 99% of slavs are still Christians after more 800 yrs under Islam. Why?
OP's post is factually correct. However, the Crusades are almost ALWAYS an accusation against the Christians or an accusation against the Muslims. BOTH sides had events that were brutal, BOTH sides had people who tried to prevent slaughter, and BOTH sides fought to spread and defend their faiths as it was the focus of their societies. NO ONE'S SIDE WAS INNOCENT. Both Christians and Muslims had brutal killers and peacemakers, both sides had people massacred, and both sides had people who fought to defend the people instead of lining their pockets at their expense. Faith can bring out the best, and bring out the worst, in the people who base their lives around it.
Operation Compass has been highly propagandised by the British who had been continuously beaten by the Axis at that point in the war. Understandably they used the victories in Operation Compass as a moral boast for Britain, and this was a great victory for them.
However the following needs to be considered to understand what actually happened rather than accepting the rather disrespectful and juvenile stereotypes of the Italian Army in North Africa.
The number of troops involved 36,000 men (British Commonwealth) versus 150,000 men (Italian) is often represented as if the 36000 British confronted 150000 Italians in one battle in one place.
This is a gross misrepresentation.
In fact Operation Compass occurred over a 2 month period (9 December 1940 - 9 February 1941) and the Italian forces were spread out over 500 km's. Consequently the British never confronted the Italians in one grand battle, but attacked the less mobile Italians garrisons piecemeal where the Italians could not bring their vast numerical advantage to bear decisively.
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Attack on Nibeiwa (5000 British Commonwealth versus 4100 Italians)
Battle of Sidi Barrani (36000 British Commonwealth versus 60000 Italians)
Battle of Bardia (16000 British Commonwealth versus 45000 Italians)
Battle of Tobruk (17000 British Commonwealth versus 22000 Italians)
Action at Mechili (4000 British Commonwealth versus 5000 Italians)
Battle of Beda Fomm (16000 British Commonwealth versus 25000 Italians)
This coupled with the fact that Italian equipment was not equal to what the British had led to their defeat during this Operation.
Oddly enough, the propaganda the British used against the Italians would come back to haunt them when on 8-15 February 1942 in the battle of Singapore.
Here 85,000 British Commonwealth surrendered to 36,000 Japanese in one battle at one place despite greatly outnumbering the enemy.
About the Italian equipment being sub par, I can believe that and it was not the first time they went on a campaign unprepared (or, at the very least, under prepared!). They did that when they attacked Greece, October 28, 1940. First of all, the Italian infantry used a rifle made in 1891 (yes, that is EIGHTEEN ninety one! Fifty years old technology!!), compared to that, the Lee-Enfield rifles used by the Greek Army in 1940 were modern ones (made at around 1914). Second, the myth of the Italian Army being mechanized. Maybe, compared to armies that had ONE or TWO mechanized pieces of equipment, they were mechanized, but compared to any European nation which paid the slightest attention to its military no, they were not! Add to that the fact that they chose one of the most inhospitable terrains for motor vehicles and the argument dissolves really quickly! Third, and this one just shows their levels of "professionalism", they arrived in Albania, one of the most mountainous countries in Europe, at the end of October, supposedly to conduct mountain warfare during late autumn/early winter bearing SUMMER uniforms!!! Yes, the brave souls tried to traverse an entire mountain chain while fighting, in practically winter, in their underwear!!! It is a miracle they did not lose much sooner!!
Musolini was indeed one of the greatest comedians of the 20th century - too bad his people had to pay the price!
Relevant too is the Brits had their own "Rommel" in these battles, General Richard O'Connor, but unfortunately was later captured.
Hmm even Singapore would be a better blunder by comparison for this episode than Granada, where the "military" objective was actually achieved.
Also, how come Granada army HQ was next to their hospital? Sound familiar?
You have omitted comparison with Bataan!
Reagan didn't fail he became more popular and got reelected. The military learned lessons in Granada that allowed better inter service communication and it lead to the creation of JSOC. These improvements led to success in Panama, the Persian Gulf War and the Global War on Terror. If you wanted a Regan era failure then Beirut would have been a better topic.
Revisionist history much? Is that you looking like the taliban in your pic? Do you carry ypur pew-pew with you to Burger King ? Never know when someone may be looking for trouble and you'll need to protect yourself against someone you've just aimed your toy at right?
Some context here would help. Some of the sudden urgency of displaying military might had more than just a little bit to do with the fact that only two days before, the U.S. Marine Corp suffered it's worse loss of life since Iwo Jima when a truck bomb destroyed their barracks in Beirut. That had to feel like a real gut-punch to the world's strongest military and it's commander in chief. So while we were about to bug ignominiously out of Lebanon, it seems it would look good to put on a show in the Caribbean, just so the "shithole" countries don't get any funny ideas about our commitment to crushing governments we don't like.
The sideshow in Panama was basically more of the same. In this case, H.W. Bush shaking off the image of a wimp by taking out Noriega, who was in fact, our wholly owned subsidiary and good friend..... until he wasn't. But like any good bully, we don't pick on other tough kids, we pick out the weak ones. And in Noriega's case, he was our tool from the git so it made even more incomprehensible even from the standpoint of "politics by other means".
And I'll just add that the "global war on terror" is even more abstract than the ones mentioned above. Who would we presume is going to "surrender" in the GWoT? Who is the enemy? Where do they live? This is nothing more than a conceit and sophistic argument for endless and consequently, winless, war forever. But this is the U.S. We can certainly afford the $768B/year we send to the Pentagon, without debate, without a reasonable audit, (But a few $100B we spend on bridges and roads is reason to reach for the pearls).
@@riconui5227 ...I'LL BET THAT IF RONALD REAGAN PERSONALLY SAVED YOU FROM DROWNING- YOU'D SAY THAT HE PROBABLY PUSHED YOU IN!!!
GO BACK TO KISSING LENIN'S PICTURE- AND STOP BOTHERING THE REST OF THE US!!!
@@daleburrell6273 All CAPS? WTF is up with that? And who assigned you to be content monitor anyway? You are now "spokesman" for the "rest of us"? OK.
You are perfectly entitled to be as wretched a supplicant to Reagan's memory as you like. You are protected by the First Amendment. Here's the thing. So am I.
@@riconui5227...I'LL MAKE A DEAL WITH YOU: DON'T TELL ME HOW TO TYPE MY POSTINGS- AND I WON'T TELL YOU HOW TO TYPE YOURS!!!!
GO CHASE A BRICK WALL!!!
The ones to give the orders are not the ones to die.
True, because they are all cowards there sons and daughters dont die either, because the money they make from war helps them to send there kids away to safe zones or buy there way out of the armed forces. its a win win win for the warmongers.
@stephen mcewan ,
You should not talk about the Democrats like that .
There's a saying, "Old Soldiers Never Die, only younger ones.
Everyone dies.
@@stephenmcewanFREEDOM Their. It's.
Really surprised/disappointed the program didn’t include Vietnam, but instead chose the relatively obscure combat action in Grenada…
Vietnam was awful but doesn't fit the thesis of this exposition
Or trump's failed coupe attempt lol! He thought by sending a mob of people to do his dirty work who probably didn't have a full set of teeth between them nor a total IQ of 70 was going to be a winning formula for success🤣🤣🤣
@@hunkallgood73 Some were military
This being a British program, Grenada would probably have more relevance for that audience, especially because Grenada was a member of the (British) Commonwealth of Nations, and therefore naturally allied/associated with the UK-hence Thatcher's disapproval of the US intervention.
Timeline did a documentary on military blunders that might scratch your itch: ua-cam.com/video/gcqspF9NbEs/v-deo.html
I don't know how King Guy does it, but he folded over the sleeves of his chainmail hauberk...
Great to see and hear Denis Mack Smith in this; his bios of Mussolini and Giuseppe Mazzini were first rate, and I'm looking for a copy of "Mussolini's Roman Empire." An excellent historian and a first-rate writer.
Pick up some primary source info and get Mussolini's writings. He was by trade a journalist and a better than average writer. Let him tell you for himself what he was thinking.
And again at the very end of the video, the very last sentence leaves the watcher with the impression that in all three cases politicians left military and naval forces with tasks that we're impossible.once again I say they failed to prove this was the case with Grenada.
cuban troops were on grenada. they threatened american college students. enough said!
@@williamdaniels6943 You might want to read some non american sources on that mate. Not only where the US students on Grenada not in danger. The "cuban troops" you mention where a workforce sent to build a civilian airport that was party financed by the UK. Grenada was a sovereign nation that wasn't part of the warsaw pact, but instead of the british comonwealth.
It was an unprovoked attack, justified by lies, and its a perfect example of why the US is as hated the world over as it is.
@@SpielkindFR it's nice to hear other opinions about things. BUT the US is still the only nation that will help people in trouble all over the world. And if you were in serious trouble you would be praying for those marines to show up partner.
@@williamdaniels6943 I'm not saying everything the US does internationally is wrong. But Grenada is just one of a long line of violent interventions in foreign nations with a thin justification, if any.
And to be perfectly clear here. I am certain that the soldiers who take part in these interventions had the best intentions.
But the political class in the US, democrats and republicans alike have historically had shockingly little concern for international law, basic ethics, as well as the very liberties and freedom they keep paying lip service to.
@@SpielkindFR well spoken BUT! remember it was an ADAMS who defended the british soldiers after the boston massacre.
I thought the video was going to cover just ancient times not present (I know the title says what it's going to show, but I got this title while watching videos about antiquity).
agree,
*And yet the blunders in politics continue to this very day.*
Yahh, never learn from History..
Sure does, like O'Biden giving away Afghanistan letting our soldiers get ambushed, 13 dead and many injured...and Odumbo letting 4 brave Americans die in Benghazi
Wow, does that Soldier right in the forefront of the movie at 45:47 on the left ever look like Gerald McRaney of 'Simon and Simon' fame, dead ringer. Almost thought I was watching a Hollywood re-anactment of the actual events with actors rather than real people for a second. These docs are very cool, watched about 7 of em in a row so far and all have been very informative and interesting.
Got one to add to the list you guys.
So, kids, what's the lesson from these three stories? 1) Make sure you have enough water when you go on an expedition through the desert. 2) Make sure you have up to date tanks when you want to attack a well armed enemy in the desert. 3) Make sure you have up to date intelligence when invading even the smallest island. LOL.
And make sure your Navy Seals can swim.
My take away was, don't try to pursue politics by other means.
dont serve lying immoral leaders...
1) Dont go to war for things that dont exist.
@@UnclePeter666 Not sure how accurate this is, a wife of one of the SEAL's( Kenneth Butcher's) went down there and found a fisherman that saw the 4 SEALs coming out of the water. He saw 4 bodies being dumped in the water 2 days later. Leading her to believe they were captured and killed.Also the "construction workers" were all soldiers in Cuba, Castro explained all civilians were also soldiers. Not sure why they would need 12 APC's 12 anti-aircraft guns 300 submachine guns 6330 rifles and 5.6 mil rounds of ammo. to build an airstrip??There are 2 sides to every story not sure this was well represented.
I bet the Italian soldiers had good shoes and purses
I don’t think men carried purses in the 40’s
They did unless it rained
😂😂 oof
Man bags not purses.. lol
😂😂
Americans trying to rescue British Governor General from the Grenada "prison" was the most amusing thing!! 41:00
the "Politics By Other Means" part is pretty silly. the rest is pretty well done.
It happens to be the thesis.
But that's warfare has been called longer than you have been alive. Clausewitz used that term back in the 19th century. Often, war is exactly that.
Wait what? They dropped US Navy Seals into the water and they 'went straight to the bottom and drowned' ? If the Seals 'haven't practiced to do this sort of thing', then what exactly are the Seals trained to do? Was this their first time in the water?
I believe that was only 1 of several mistakes in this video. 4 SEALS died, the bodies not recovered and so drowning was assumed even though witnesses claimed to have seen the 4 SEALS exit the water and walk across the beach and a few days later their bodies dumped in the water.
they really didn't explain at all how those men died.
"Urgent Fury" was so nearly a disaster. There were all sorts of amusing incidents, like an airstrike called in by cellphone, and other events that could have been catastrophic. I suspect a lot of lessons were learnt by the military.
Not nearly ..... IT WAS A DISASTER ...... people in a hospital were killed and the hospital was destroyed. What other name but disaster could you have for it. America looked stupid and acted like a bully .... isn't that a disaster?
The objective (securing the island and rescuing the American students) was achieved. Collateral damage is regrettable but inevitable.
The American students were free to leave any time they wanted. They did not need "rescuing", just American passenger aircraft to take them off the island. By making the island a war zone, the U.S. put the students at even great risk than they were with the local political unrest.
@@avro549B bombing a hospital of all fking things is a pretty damn big thing to sweep under the rug as "inevitable collateral damage", _especially_ since it was so trivially preventable - just do some fking recon.
Frankly, it's inexcusable.
lmao that interview with the doctor guy, he's wearing scrubs like he just got off work and it's funny to imagine that, since it's a scripted interview with prepared responses, makeup and probably multiple takes. Seems like a lot of effort to just remind the audience he's a doctor guy. He could've just worn a suit and tie like a normal person.
Also he might be collected at work , on his lunch break...if your a pro you wear the uniform , btw, judges bankers baseball players , doctors .scientest ..the uniform says I'm at work .
Costumes for drama.
Its political theater.
Could be the idea of the director or producer. It's usually one of the higher ups with a dumb idea for the film.
Worst case scenario, the doctor was a pretentious idiot and wanted everyone to know he meant doctor business.
Granada?? No mention here of the Vietnam war political blunder...millions were and still are victims of that stupidity!
I remember seeing the US invasion of Grenada on the BBC evening news. Landing vehicles and troupes coming up lovely sandy tourist beaches, with tourists on sun loungers looking not in the least bit bothered.
Someone got red from being sunburned and the CIA thought it was a communist
When american invasions become a daily thing.
Just don’t talk about the Bay of Pigs invasion - and for heaven’s sake Somalia either.
I remember driving by a town that was rebuilt after you British burnt it down during the Revolutionary war. Actually there's a few towns like that in my home state. 🇺🇸
Its like Arnie landing in his Commando Movie?..
@@garrisonnichols7372 Which town was that and what year was it?
What about Italy's failed conquest through Greece?
yeah, what about it? I mean, this show had 48 minutes to show 3 events. I guess, they simply did not pick that Italian blunder
I can think of a politician that recently left his army, munitions, support people and civilians to the enemy! Now I wonder what his name is?
Graziani was right: The Folgore Division at El Alamein ran out of water and had to surrender
my uncle bought the Italians in North Africa and Italy and he said they fought quite bravely
Completely ignores the fact that the first crusade was after decades of Moorish invasion of Spain. Crusades were retaliation for decades of slaughter.
You're not accusing the producers of bias, are you?
Your comment is out of context
Mussolini is Luigi Cardona II. Nuts. Humans are nuts.
Wasteland Seven Tell us something new. Who's Luigi Cardona I?
Luigi Cardona was an infamous Italian WWI general who kept trying doing the same thing the same and expecting a different result (one definition of insanity)...
@@hebmacman3788 what do you mean i cant have ANOTHER battle of the Isonzo(last word dunno if i spelled it right)
@ Tim Bat I see that Lyndon Johnson disastrous failed war in Vietnam was not mentioned either.
It doesn't fit the thesis
At the time of the invasion of Grenada I was in Infantry basic training at Fort Benning Georgia.
Fog of war? They didn’t know they couldn’t swim?
Why are they called seals?
Some people don't know this but when fog gets tremendously thick you can get stuck in it, especially in water. I call it fog of water.
I actually researched this because I was curious as well - apparently they drowned because of the added weight of live ammunition - something they didn't consider during training exercises. When they say it was because of the fog of war, I guess they're referring to the political pressure that rushed the operation.
Every time I see Mussolini, my mind sees a little, old, NY shopkeeper dressed as a general for a Halloween party.
The Italian army trained by raising their hands in the air
@@danrook5757 is that why they had quite a few victories then hey
@@JohnSmith-rw8uh : if if count North Africa, than yes
@@danrook5757 Thats odd, they had some good victories there too, praised by Rommel. The bersaglieri.
Muslims make out they were the victims in the crusades. Over 500 battles were fought on European soil, leading in the end to Spain becoming a Muslim caliphate and vast areas of Southern Europe too. The first crusades were defensive. Do some research yourself and you’re in for a surprise.
michael nixson So Defense means attacking a Islamic caliphate because a unrelated caliphate holds Spain wich was conquered several hundred years ago by yet another caliphate?
Smart Food I’m no strategic mastermind, but I can see the need to pursue an enemy which is united under one faith. The first Crusade was a definite defence by offence. I’m not in touch with the dead, but you’d have to talk to the Pope of the day. He was in a precarious situation and Rome was in real threat militarily.
No matter how one views it they were fighting Muslims. They were holding a loose alliance fighting for Islam. The battles happened any which way you look at it and the Muslims drew first blood and were a very credible threat.
I think the whole Christian Military strategy was led badly. They should have secured Europe and then left the East to Islam. North Africa and much of the Middle East was Christian ( from the time of the Roman Empire) and it was changed forever by Jihad.
I’m sure there were power plays in the Muslim camp just as there were in the Christian one. This was their undoing. Too much hunger for power and they didn’t care how many of their own people died in the process.
The Islamic side had a key advantage because of their solidarity.
michael nixson You should probably learn more about the crusades. What Islamic alliance do you mean? They fought each other. The Seljuks which were the ones the crusaders attacked had fought the Ghaznavids and conquered other Islamic territories. Although the fear about the spreading of Islam was a major reason the crusades happened it would be too simplistic to pretend this is the only reason and saying the Muslims drew first blood simply ignores almost everything except the religion of the people involved, because these wars were fought hundreds of years before the first crusade by another Caliphate against Byzantium, which by the way belonged to a different denomination of Christianity than the catholic states which was a source of tension and conflict between them. And the crusades weren’t even defensive from the beginning: the pope also hoped to end the schism and expand his power and participants often also hoped to gain power, wealth and of course kill muslims, religion was certainly a important reason, but not the only one. But the thing you really should have known is that the taking of Jerusalem was the goal of the entire crusade from the start. It was probably the most important topic in pope Urbans speech.
You’re missing out the 500+ battles fought on European soil by Muslims. The Crusades were defensive at first.
Why didn't Mussolini like high fives?
Because they always left him hanging!
Grenada happened because the Organization of American States (OAS), which consists mostly of Caribbean, Central American and South American nations perceived a threat brewing in Grenada, and asked Reagan to intervene immediately.
The OAS were puppets of the Pentagon. It was just for PR. Reagan wanted to drive attention way from the Lebanese fiasco, so he came up with the communist bs in Grenada.
Thank you. I shed no tears for Bishop.
@@josecipriano3048 Speaking of bs....
@@josecipriano3048 The OAS was mostly oil companies
They sent Clint Eastwood into Grenada, what did they expect?
😀😁😆
As cynical as I am, I did not think that the invasion of Grenada was as much of a masquerade as this.
I am in Australia. Could someone please explain what happened to the Navy Seals as was under the impression that they are experts in water.
USN vet here. They were dropped by helo too far from shore and with too much equipment. They normally would come ashore with their SDV (Swimmer Delivery Vehicle) and go in as a single unit and operate as a single individual team. Instead they did something they had not practiced and not trained for. Working with other teams to hold an objective. An objective that was better suited to a larger Army Ranger unit.
Thank you for this information.
I'm just a Brit guessing here. Far too much equipment = negative buoyancy. Too far from landfall. Even highly trained personnel fail when asked too much of. Reagan's haste cost lives. Politicians should state what they want and allow professionals to ascertain how to achieve objectives.
American special forces have the most advanced artificial intelligent equipment in the world , but when they are stripped bare and have to rely on intelligence , wit , cunning and experiences , I would probably stay with the British SAS . During the Falklands war , British SAS also received the most advanced ... communication equipment from the US , courtesy of Reagan , it made their lives much easier but I think they would achieve the objectives anyways .
@ZebsFrend those “coward captains” were almost entirely comprised of British sailors-the brits piloted most of the vessels for all landing forces. Even for the Americans and Canadians. Keep that in mind
If politicians start wars how come they don't fight them, personally, I think all politicians should have to serve in one of branches of the military before taking office
Especially the Presidents, Kings, and Queens.
Sounds good in theory but it could just as easily have the opposite effect. Bush Snr was in the airforce but that didnt slow him down. Besides sanctions can cause a greater humanitarian toll than military action
This can also make them a militarist though
@@Narrow-Pather some are. Look at the British and Danish monarchy. They did their toll.
Why did they keep saying the Grenadians had no Navy? They had patrol craft in the water that the seals needed to avoid. If they were part of the army, the police force or they were Cuban it amounts to the same thing even if it they didn't have the word "Navy" printed on them.
what did he say from 40:00 to 40:07?
Final word: The Grenadians call the intervention date Thanksgiving Day. This successful intervention, militarily and politically, is misplaced with the Crusader and Fascist losses.
Really absurd to throw Grenada in with Benitto Mussolini. They just HATE Regan.
@@rustusandroid ...CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO YOU ARE REFERRING TO?!
AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT REAGAN DID IN GRENADA!!!
F#CK THE DEMOCRATS!!!
@@daleburrell6273 NOT REALLY!!!!!!!!!!
@@rustusandroid ...MY POINT WAS- DID YOU MEAN THAT THE PEOPLE OF GRENADA AND MUSSOLINI HATE REAGAN? OR DID YOU MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO PRODUCED THIS VIDEO?
Seal team six drowned, sank like a brick.WTF. we got special forces crashing in iran ST6 drowning,what kinda operation are the US running back then.
A rushed operation. That leads to mistakes, like dropping men with too much gear, in water too deep, and too far from shore.
Frank Church and the Democrat party did everything possible to hamper intelligence gathering and the ability to act covertly. You can debate the merits but that is PART of the context.
U.S. military and especially special forces was pretty bad in those days. Seals redeemed themselves in Afghanistan (and a certain compounds in Pakistan- though a pilot did F up). Most generals (and admirals) just did not understand how to use special forces. Though the operation in Pakistan was pretty weak sauce. There was pretty much no resistance. And the target should have been captured and tried.
WOW!
The Italians have the habit of switching sides on whoever is winning!
Thats bs, stop sprouting the same old BS you mongoloid
The Crusaders did NOT ethnically cleanse their kingdomlets
@@MitzvosGolem1 Total garbage, that wasn't even the real Crusade, but a mob of losers who later were wiped out by the Turks almost to a man. The real Crusaders who made it to the Holy Land and formed the Crusader states did NOT ethnically cleanse their fiefs.
@@MitzvosGolem1
Pogroms only occur in Russia. Why?
Russian evidence of
Ritual Murder by Khazarian Ashkenazi descendants of Esau
triggers Russian outrage. Victims are young children.....
@@MitzvosGolem1
Thank you for responding.
God condemns this
ancient Baal (satan) worship of Canaan in the Bible.
Lurid story of:
Kay Griggs,
Cathy O'Brien (cia)
Fiona Barnett
Project Monarch
MK ultra mind control
Bohemian Grove
all document bizarre behavior of "elites."
But now, Everybody Knows.......
(Leonard Cohen1988)
@@charlesmichaels6648 nut
They never explained why navy seals went 'straight to the bottom'. Some of the best swimmers on Earth, why?
A little research turned up two articles that gave this answer. There was a delay in the Seal team insertion and the weather turned for the worse. The Seals were carrying a lot of equipment and the parachutes cords became tangled. This compromised their ability to maintain flotation. Only 4 of a much larger Seal Team were lost. The leftist writer failed to note anything except their drowning in an attempt to paint them as incompetents instead of lauding their bravery. Typical ploy of the left. Try to paint these heros as invading idiots. Free Enterprise is the only way for a society to move forward. Ask the East Germans how they liked 40 years of communism. For example look up this word TRABOT. Then look up these letters. BMW. Therein lies the difference between left wing policies and free enterprise. Let Freedom Ring!!!
@@larryking2697 A little research turned up that the name of the East German 2 cycle cars is spelled "T-R-A-B-A-N-T" . They are simple, underpowered and very old looking but if all you want is to get from a to b and are not too concerned about how fast you get there the cars are all right.
Coz ,gravity exist even in the abbys..
@@zaphoddog3878 Also the car bodies are made from a weird cellulose/resin mix that the bodies will outlast the sun going nova.
How old is this doco?
Jacksons Dr. received his degree in Granada
You missed out the reason for the crusades in the first place. Why did they start?
Religious delusions.
@Monk Music - Don't engage! ,
1) Because the Muslims had taken possession of Christian holy sites and were turning them into Islamic holy sites.
2) The Muslims were constantly attacking Europe.
some people wanted more power and glory and fame. thus uneducated crowds were manipulated by their (somewhat) more educated leaders. and by the cruel, primitive, dark cult they were brainwashed to follow.
in other words: they had the same reasons as the muslim concuest some centuries earlier.
42:20 --- "But he wasn't in jail".
"Well, he thought he was".
¿REALLY? OMFG!!!
Governor General Scoon was placed under house arrest at his residence. This must have caused some confusion for someone that read it as being arrested and thought he was put in the prison. The task force understood it, though. Navy SEALs secured Scoon's recidence on the morning od the 25th of October, about the same time as Delta Force went to liberate the prison.
Mr scoon says on the film he's never been imprisoned or threatened to be, by anyone
Lmao...@ :20 I thought the narrator was about to be like, "and no political system is immune to politicians". To which I was bout to be like, "church".
The hare sometimes has the advantage.
American imperial hubris continues unabated. Blunder after blunder and they never learn.
Shut up
Prove of a military success --- 30,000 military medals given out. Ok, thank you for that proof. Grrrrrr
If the generals are giving out that many medals, some one may be lying
That guy say Reagan attacking Grenada was a show that Reagan and America was not to be messed with. That we overcame the stigma of Vietnam. Does this guy know anything about Grenada. It's like stumping on an ant and then taking a victory lap...but only after stubbing your toe pretty badly.
Question: What exactly did all those Americans get medals for in the Granada operation? I know the US military likes to toss medals around like it's confetti, but in an operation this small, how are there more than half a dozen or so commendations?
The number of medals seems very high, agreed. I know that some of the units there specially volunteered and likely received medals. I think the piece avoided mentioning that there was significant resistance, including killing helicopter crews. This wasn't a joke. The producers of the piece are very biased and have a message for the audience to shallow. I read a book years ago that included the wife of a killed helicopter pilot being told about her husband being killed by Cuban machine gun fire as they approached the runway. Was this D-Day - no. However, it was a real military operation. A mini-Black Hawk Down.
Teach your children well and know they love you
Grenada was a major slap in the face to the UK
But that's what America does persilbran ...... the President is more like a King with the powers he has to walk roughshod over everyone and anyone.... heil King Donnie.
Maurice Bishop was HIT by the US.
@@Eric-ye5yz ...1000 X better than Oshitforbrains, at least he loves his own country.
@@joeh5028...He being trump only loves himself. That's all talk he has done nothing of any value since he became president.
@Eric ,
Especially not if you are a leftist Democrat .
Good God I don't remember hearing about this.
Are you referring to the U.S. invasion ?
What I don't understand about the middle ages is how did they organize and communicate when there was no printing or media of any kind.
That cloth "chainmail" has got to go! Just use aluminum mail - it looks great. I have a suit of it.
@Annette Johnson Little to none, I would think, right?
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This is not a Hollywood film. They have a far smaller budget to work with.
@@GoTfan-eb8tk Is aluminum costume armor expensive?
The plastic stuff's pretty good also. Plus you can make it yourself with PVC pipe. And if it needs to be refreshed a can of spray paint and compressed air to dry it, does nicely.
Saladin, Saladout. You can't explain that!
and when some fugees come back, they are called re-fugees
How was the Reagan part a failure? He successfully accomplished his political goals with little backlash.
Why did the 4-man SEAL team drown? They are trained as divers and swimmers for military operations.
pronounced Ghee not Guy...
Aw show us your gee!
And Renaud, not Reginald of Chantillon
And Salah Al Addin.
Thanks was thinking the same.
"Great military blunders." "Impossible task." You seriously compare Italy's course in WWII to Grenada. Nice to see such a lack of proportion. And, as you are forced to admit, the task was not impossible. How about U.S.S.R. invading Finland in 1939 or the U.K. whipping Argentina in 1982 or the UK conquering Ireland?
Or the occupation of Eastern Europe by those wonderful communits?
Are any of those indicative of the title topic?
@@terraguardians1122 Yes, would you but bother to read the topic.
Grenada was really only a blunder from the point of view of anyone with a moral compass. So naturally none of the Americans in the comment section see it as one.
@@DinoCism Oh, it was clearly illegal, but "blunder" is questionable. Moreover, the illegal invasion of Grenada was hardly comparable to others in history, including thos noted above. Italy killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and attempted to retain Etheopia as part of a new Italian empire in a war that lasted almost four years, until Italy was defeated by Allied forces. The October, 1983, invasion of Grenada, the date of whoich is celebrated in Grenada as a national holiday of thanksgiving, resulted in 622 total casualties, 135 U.S., 84 Cuban, and 403 Grenadian. An election established a Grenadian government in December, 1984, long after most U.S. invaders had departed. You can look up the bucther's bill for Soviet invasion of Finland and Russian invasion of Georgia, Ukrauine, and Chechnia at your convenience. And the areas conquered in thise invasions remain part of the Russian Empire to this day. The U.S. invasion of, and conquest of much of, Mexico is more morally reprehensible, as were the bloody conquests by almost everyone else over the millenia.
Venezuela, Iran...the beat goes on...
26:18 Unfortunately not in our day and age.
i havent watched this yet but im about to. i bet anything they do everything possible to make islam look as good as possible
I bet anything that ancient history doesn't give a damn what you think.
"Havent watche this yet" well why dont you because they hardly mention islam lol
@@roryjones95 No but they certainly demonize the Christians who fought back against the invasion of their countries.
@@JohnPlissken : Back in those days, Christians and Muslims did the bad things they did because they COULD. Not much has changed/
@@harrymills2770 idk, it's been awhile since I've seen a Christian beheading anyone in the name of Christ.
Granada was not a blounder. A blouder presupposes a military failure which Granada was not.
Yes , it was a blunder. Because the Americans rushed into Granada by Reagan. Even Magaret Thatcher
told him not to do it it was a disaster
@@larskunoandersen5750 A "Blunder" presupposes a defeat or a victory with horrible outcomes. The invasion of Granada was an AMerican victory, had little or no negative effects for the US so it could not be accurately be described as a blunder.
no, maybe not. I just think it as more like a human disaster. you make mistakes if your are getting rushed from above higher rank
It was a blunder. Plain and simple.
31:46 Cool as a Cucumber
Grenada? Really?
Doesn't have a place in a series about blunders.
Politically motivated? Perhaps, but militarily it was rather successful in achieving it's goals.
Interesting to see the only US politician in this part of the video was from the opposing party to the President...
@42:22 Lying American: "He thought he was in jail".........
"Lying American"...You are too funny, son. How naive would you have to be to actually take you seriously?
@@tellyintokyo the man's American and was obviously lying. What's fun in that?
what the italians should have done with those tanks,was serve mister whippe ice creams from them,stick to what you're best at
FORWARD FROM THE REAR THE GENERAL CRIED AND THE FRONT LINE DIED....GALIPOLI.....
I recently went with Linux and I love those pipes bruh....
Reagan should have been taken to the Hague for a War Crimes Tribunal over that.
How the fk do navy frogmen drown with scuba gear on ??
LOL the guy said they were never trained to do that! Of course everyone knows that Navy SEALS are never trained to fricking swim...this video was the worst I have seen from this channel.
14:42 If you're here only for Mussolini. Here's the big salty Italian with extra cheese 😊
31:40 This dude sounds like Martin Sheen
I was sure that they would have talked about Johnson and his getting us into Vietnam.
Do your homework... it was Eisenhower who first got the US involved in this area politically, then Kennedy who got military advisers and support there. Small fighting incidents grew, and Johnson sent in full forces. And yet, due to political image and threats from Russia & China, the US was restrained just enough to keep from winning. Important military lesson... you can't win by just defending, you have to take the fight to the enemy and defeat him. Grenada was not only unnecessary, it was terribly bungled. But the worst of all these cases was Mussolini totally mishandling northern Africa.
I was wondering if they would talk about the "Day of the Ranger" disaster in 1993. Since that was a political blunder too. The army told the politicians they were under equipped and that the mission simply wouldn't work. But were ordered in anyway.
An odd choice considering not close to the biggest blunder may be more political than anything
What a strange coincidence that a military command post shared its location with a hospital...
What I ask..looks shady, and what else was going on..
Never press your time table.
It was a response... when were the moors driven from Spain? When did they arrive?
You can see what the Moors left in spain till today , Unlike the Christians in the Levant who left only massacres in all the lands that they had occupied
@@ahmeda6591 And the Arab conquest was all just hugs and kisses. Uh, yeah, good luck and lots of mazel with that, Ahmed.
@@tellyintokyo actually, kinda. The people were tire of the Visigoth rule, and most welcomed the muslims. Their standards of living also improved much in the next centuries.
You have a good point about the rationale of invading Grenada, but where was the Somme level blunder there?
Funny if the Cubans were just helping build an airfield why did they have weapons like armored cars an antiaircraft guns?
I was thinking the same thing there were so many valid "blunders" of the us military to pick from too.
@@Kunfucious577 The closest the US had to a Somme level fubar was the Chinese Offensive in Korea in 1950.
I really enjoy the score to this series.
Nice video explaining of what occurred between political desire and military science in general's mind .....from nice historical channel....military is violence political instrument...political ambition must be exactly suitable to military abilities and movement or political activities for reaching political ambitions