Recent DERAILMENT, OLD Locomotives

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  • @the101stdalmatian8
    @the101stdalmatian8 Рік тому +54

    The final destination of the two RMEX locomotives was South America. RMEX is a relatively new used equipment dealer.
    Note in the drone shot at 2:08 how the locomotive on the left still has the original sandbox cover made from a journal box lid! When EMD built these locomotives in the 1950s, they just used journal box lids rather then design anything new.

    • @v12productions
      @v12productions  Рік тому +11

      Very interesting! I did not know all of that!

  • @ScottTaipaleRail
    @ScottTaipaleRail Рік тому +21

    I filmed those engines many times on the Wabash Central Railroad, they were former CNUR 8 and WBCR 6. Amazes me they would be worth enough to ship to South America!

  • @Junkinsally
    @Junkinsally Рік тому +72

    Poor old Norfolk Southern just can't get a break! I think they really need an internal safety audit and spend some serious cash upgrading infrastructure and training as well reassess some of their train handling practices.

    • @cpttankerjoe
      @cpttankerjoe Рік тому +17

      PSR pushes maintenance and crew cuts to maximize profits. This destroys saftey

    • @wesw9586
      @wesw9586 Рік тому +7

      It's all about staffing. The train crews and maintenance workers just are not there. They can talk all the tech and rules they want but without the men and women to make it happen, it means nothing.

    • @fiercetrains4052
      @fiercetrains4052 Рік тому +2

      I call sabotage

    • @Retired88M
      @Retired88M Рік тому +2

      Don’t make them spend more money please
      My couple shares of their stock had already fallen over s hundred bucks a share
      Make them use the top 1% salaries to fix the problem

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Рік тому +4

      @@fiercetrains4052 Extremely unlikely.

  • @NSReadingLineRailfan
    @NSReadingLineRailfan Рік тому +8

    Alignment control couplers look the same, the difference is in the draft gear, there are a large steel block or wedge on either side of the coupler to limit it’s side to side motion, look up when alignment control draft gears became affective. There was a UP derailment 20-30 years ago where they crushed a engine in half because the couplers had too much lateral movement. That would make a great informational movie

  • @chuckgilly
    @chuckgilly Рік тому +25

    The old engines are IC Paducah rebuilds from the late1960s-1970s, most likely GP-10s. They underwent an extensive rebuild, most notably the chopped low nose and the saddlebag air filters.

    • @v12productions
      @v12productions  Рік тому +3

      I read online one of them was a B Unit at one point, but couldn't 100% confirm that.

    • @mirdordinii5783
      @mirdordinii5783 Рік тому +1

      The one on the end looks like it's first two numbers were 87, now that's the series the IC used for GP11s so that one at least is probably an eleven.

    • @davidzahavi6535
      @davidzahavi6535 Рік тому

      Yes the one on the end is a GP11. You can tell by the the short nose, angled cabs and the Dynacell “saddle” air filters. The cab was moved forward about 24 inches for upgraded electrical components. This caused the nose on the gp11 to look chopped. That’s the best way to tell.

    • @chuckgilly
      @chuckgilly Рік тому +1

      @@davidzahavi6535 Funny you should bring that up. Shortly after I posted this, I came across a back issue of "Diesel Era"
      Sept/Oct 1999 at my local model train hobby shop. It has the whole in-depth story of the IC Paducah rebuild program.

  • @davidzahavi6535
    @davidzahavi6535 Рік тому +2

    What a great find! Those are retro IC GP10 and GP11s. I’m building both of those right now in HO scale. I’m sure I’ll end up using this footage for reference at some point, especially around the draft gear and pilot areas. THANKS FOR POSTING!!!!!

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Рік тому +6

    EMD GPs are great locomotives
    Like any other locomotive, they need to be maintained and serviced and in good working order.
    You have to remember that these were the locomotives used to run trains for many years

  • @tomt9543
    @tomt9543 Рік тому +4

    Alignment control draft gear is a type of system that limits the side to side motion of the couplers. A hard run in of slack can cause non-alignment control equipped couplers to “jackknife” with each other and put extreme sideways pressure on the locomotives involved. NS’s butt head switchers (MP15, SW 1500 etc) most weren’t equipped with A-C, and were equipped with two massive blocks on each end. When in yard service, those blocks were bolted in a position outside of the draft pocket. When they were to be moved in a train, the blocks had to be removed from their stored position and bolted in the pocket between the coupler shank and the side of the draft pocket. Installation of those blocks inside the pocket greatly limited the lateral motion of the coupler, and preventing an extremely powerful sideways jackknifing of the couplers into the side of the pocket. If you’ve ever seen an NS switcher that has a white stripe painted under the cab number, that’s how they denote a non-A-C locomotive. I retired from NS in 2020 (mechanical dept.) and when I left, it looked they were trying to cast off all their switchers!

  • @davidpearson3304
    @davidpearson3304 Рік тому +5

    At this rate the NTSB will have a separate division just for NS. 😳
    (Comment made with tongue planted firmly in cheek by the way)

  • @theidiotwithinternet
    @theidiotwithinternet Рік тому +2

    Hoping the old geeps end up being okay! They’re museum pieces at this point

  • @WMAC_Master
    @WMAC_Master Рік тому +2

    no wonder these looked familiar. Some locomotives from the same company were featured in an episode of "destroyed in seconds." Ironic how in both that and this derailment, they were wearing the Operation lifesaver sticker. Seems like an "unlucky charm"

  • @wrrail
    @wrrail Рік тому +8

    The EX IC engines are being sold off to brazil

  • @MrGus.1
    @MrGus.1 Рік тому +3

    I don't know how to message you, but NS is distributing new ties on the rail line through Locust Grove. Might be an interesting video to see all these ties being replaced on an active track....April 16.

  • @haaseshouseoscience6377
    @haaseshouseoscience6377 Рік тому +6

    One thing is for sure though, those Illinois Central Geeps got Very Lucky that they didn't derail.

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz Рік тому +1

      Has that been confirmed? Per this video 2 of 6 locomotives derailed, but it isn't known which two.

  • @Athenstrainman
    @Athenstrainman Рік тому +6

    Very informative video Charlie! NS needs to get there act together

  • @ChattNCC
    @ChattNCC Рік тому

    Nostalgic to see the Illinois Central logo again. Grew up with the ICG (Illinois Central Gulf) rolling through our countryside. Love your vids and narration.

  • @CSXIndyLine
    @CSXIndyLine Рік тому +2

    The units came from the Wabash Central Railroad in Bluffton, IN. RMEX markings were added last year to them but I’m not sure what they stand for. They worked on a series of lines owned by Spencer Wendelin. They previously carried the markings of CNUR 8 and WBCR 6.

  • @paulsmith5398
    @paulsmith5398 Рік тому +2

    How interesting.......featuring former Illinois Central "Death Star" units.........rebuilt in the Paducah Kentucky shops, from other former various railroads...........#8733 is alive and well at the Monticello Illinois railroad museum, as is # 6071, a former GM&O unit, and its the prototype EMD SD-40 UNIT!!!!!!!!

  • @arkansasrailproductions5507
    @arkansasrailproductions5507 Рік тому +1

    RMEX 6 (built December 1955 as IC GP9 9129, rebuilt to ICG GP10 8365, later as IC 8365, ex-WBCR 6)
    RMEX 8 (built April 1954 as UP GP9B 186B, rebuilt to ICG GP11 8704, later as IC 8704, ex-CNUR 8)

  • @pruittiii
    @pruittiii Рік тому +6

    Great video and commentary, Charlie.
    Is Norfolk Southern having a worse spell or is the media overblowing their safety issues due to East Palestine?

  • @DanHPage
    @DanHPage Рік тому +4

    Great report and good research, Charlie! Thanks!

    • @v12productions
      @v12productions  Рік тому +2

      Thanks Dan!

    • @gloria6229
      @gloria6229 10 місяців тому

      ​@@v12productionsWhat, pray-tell is waybill?

    • @gloria6229
      @gloria6229 10 місяців тому

      ​@@v12productionsDoes waybill mean dead-in-tow? 😂

  • @mackmorrison6274
    @mackmorrison6274 Рік тому

    I live 15 minutes from where those old engines were kept in bluffton. Seen them all the time.

  • @Lonewolf-allthewayUP
    @Lonewolf-allthewayUP Рік тому +5

    Golly, NS. How many more derailments shall we see from you in 2023.

    • @fluxthelycanroc9603
      @fluxthelycanroc9603 Рік тому +3

      There's plenty you don't hear about. Most are lil minor ones like someone forgetting an industry derail or cars getting away

    • @v12productions
      @v12productions  Рік тому +4

      Sadly, I just recorded another NS derailment scene in Alabama today. It happened last weekend.

    • @Lonewolf-allthewayUP
      @Lonewolf-allthewayUP Рік тому

      @@v12productions Woww😔😳.

    • @fluxthelycanroc9603
      @fluxthelycanroc9603 Рік тому +1

      @@v12productions sad to hear. Working for said company I sorta dislike hearing about such things but I only seem to hear about them more and more these days

  • @MatitimeMan
    @MatitimeMan Рік тому +1

    I have a model of NS 6985 so it was supper cool seeing it in this video

  • @ericmason349
    @ericmason349 Рік тому +7

    The NTSB must be fairly overworked with all the derailments that happen. Are there more recently or are the numbers pretty much average?

    • @25mfd
      @25mfd Рік тому +5

      FRA reports that there are OVER 1000 incidents/year... that's 83/month... 3/day... so this is about average sadly

    • @25mfd
      @25mfd Рік тому +2

      oh... and that's just on the MAINLINE... there's an equal number of incidents that happen in the yard as well

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz Рік тому

      The only thing that has changed is the media and political attention arising from the East Palestine derailment. As a result the NTSB are looking at relatively minor derailments that they would've usually ignored, and it seems plausible this would be stretching their resources, but I'm not aware of any evidence one way or the other.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 Рік тому

      I have not seen any figures for this year but incident numbers have been going down steadily for several years

    • @25mfd
      @25mfd Рік тому

      @@andrewreynolds4949
      over the past at least four years, the 1000 rail incidents/year number has held steady.

  • @markfowler7400
    @markfowler7400 Рік тому

    So this was near Anniston , and the other muddy messy was in my area of Jasper (I grew up and still live 30 miles nw of Jasper in the next county Marion , up I-22 bham-Memphis) I think I seen those tracks when I got around the Parrish/Cordova exit , thank you for all you do I carry on the love of trains from my paw paw, God bless all

  • @Dispatcher80
    @Dispatcher80 Рік тому +4

    In the NS rule it states a locomotive without alignment control draft gear cannot be coupled to another locomotive of the same status. They were together on the head end of that train behind the locomotives going through those sharp curves. Without the ability of the draft gear to shift as it needed to I see the problem IMO.

    • @em2attic
      @em2attic Рік тому +1

      UP has the same rule about old junk locomotives like these as well. So yes i agree with your theory 100% as looking at it that seems to be the only way this could have happened. And if im not mistaken the alignment control coupler has to do with the coupler box not the knuckle itself.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Рік тому

      It sounded to me like the problem is that non-alignment-control couplers can shift too much.

  • @chrisrichardson9597
    @chrisrichardson9597 Рік тому +1

    RMEX = RMW Ventures, i think. 6 and 8 had the reporting marks changed about a year ago while running on the Wabash Central (WBCR) ex-Cloverleaf/NKP/N&W in NE Indiana (right by my workplace!) I still wonder what drove the change in reporting marks. Also, IIRC, the IC loco on the nose has been painted over twice and became visible again over time.

  • @oldrustycars
    @oldrustycars Рік тому +1

    One certain political party feels the government should not be putting any regulations on private business. Since railroads can't seem to make it 24 hours without trains falling off the tracks it seems that plan isn't working.

  • @trainsmachineryldegmtrains3509

    Interesting video, great work! Thumbs Up

  • @BeensEpicYt
    @BeensEpicYt Рік тому

    Imagine being on that Amtrak and seeing train scraps on the side

  • @kennyspry5189
    @kennyspry5189 Рік тому +2

    Those two EMD GP9u Engine's were on a Railroad in Ohio called the worst tracks in the world. I believe the Railroad is The Mommie and Ohio RR. I don't think I spelled Mommie correct sorry but they used those two Engine's a lot. Wonder why they were being moved maybe for maintenance work? If You could find out why I would appreciate it.

  • @andreabennett
    @andreabennett Рік тому

    Super video! Your channel is a cut above! 👍

  • @Rob-tr1st
    @Rob-tr1st Рік тому +2

    So in other words the broke their own rules and caused a derailment in doing so. Good job NS

  • @jobhowie1110
    @jobhowie1110 6 місяців тому

    i got to see number 6 in my home town today it is at rail serve it was towed by union pacific it is now being turned into a switcher

  • @dieselgaming9609
    @dieselgaming9609 Рік тому

    how many times is Norfolk southern going to derail within just one year.

  • @truckerkevthepaidtourist
    @truckerkevthepaidtourist Рік тому

    Were those Illinois Central death-stars that we're getting moved I know they've been out of commission for a while there was somewhere up in Indiana for a bit

  • @NorlandBoxcar
    @NorlandBoxcar Рік тому

    Interesting perspective..

  • @sargentrowell81
    @sargentrowell81 Рік тому

    I'm pretty sure those things about the different coupler styles would've been internal differences since they seem to bring the couple back to center from my understanding.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Рік тому

      Yeah, it sounds like it's something in the draughtgear, not the coupler _per se._

  • @DairyNS
    @DairyNS Рік тому +1

    I love your videos they inspired me to become a railfanner

  • @fredburban8219
    @fredburban8219 Рік тому

    But, did these two old locomotives cause the derailment, or was it a problem with one of the cars that started the catastrophe??

  • @christopherescott6787
    @christopherescott6787 Рік тому

    REMX is the reporting mark for REMX Corp.

  • @katies6426
    @katies6426 Рік тому +1

    Norfolk southern, what is your function?

  • @Mauscmkwk
    @Mauscmkwk Рік тому +1

    1:31 to scap

  • @scottsheehan1596
    @scottsheehan1596 Рік тому

    how long will NS leave the derailed cars lying around?

  • @noahdziadyk3412
    @noahdziadyk3412 Рік тому

    i see a illinois central loco all the time by my work switching

  • @wideslammer
    @wideslammer Рік тому

    Nice information.

  • @mikewood4378
    @mikewood4378 Рік тому

    Can you recommend some good train podcast I can listen to at work? Thank you

  • @Diogenes425
    @Diogenes425 Рік тому

    PPTM! ( piss poor track maintenance)

  • @jacobdubielak
    @jacobdubielak Рік тому

    That's what I call a horn slaut

  • @thevideocamman5674
    @thevideocamman5674 Рік тому

    I love Illinois central.

  • @mijicalmagiemance8014
    @mijicalmagiemance8014 Рік тому

    Great vid 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @yankeesforlife24
    @yankeesforlife24 10 місяців тому

    So sounds like these locos were out of compliance, ns and the crew knew it was out of compliance, as well as breaking one of its special banding instruction rules and Still let it travel anyways and caused a derailment

  • @donovanferrari761
    @donovanferrari761 Рік тому

    Norfolk Southern again?

  • @RFMCabooseNP1713
    @RFMCabooseNP1713 Рік тому

    Cool.

  • @wrangler70jkujeep74
    @wrangler70jkujeep74 Рік тому

    Say there going to museum or shortline.

  • @Trip0905
    @Trip0905 Рік тому

    RMEX is a sub company of LTEX u believe

  • @gloria6229
    @gloria6229 Рік тому

    What, pray-tell is waybill?

  • @Tartaraki808
    @Tartaraki808 Рік тому

    What is going on with trains derailments in 2023? There’s not many happening in the past.

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz Рік тому

      Historically there have been 1000+ derailments every year. The only thing that has changed is that the media and rail fans are paying more attention.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Рік тому +1

      Most likely, we're just hearing about them more because there have been a couple of big ones that made the news, so the media are more switched-on to reporting them. Overall, derailments are decreasing, but there are still over a thousand a year, which is about three every day.

  • @TheAtlantaRailfan
    @TheAtlantaRailfan Рік тому +2

    I saw RMEX 8 in Chattanooga last weekend I don't know were she went after that

    • @wrrail
      @wrrail Рік тому

      They’re going to Brazil

  • @muhammadabid3475
    @muhammadabid3475 Рік тому

    Must be double track. And fixed concrete sleepers more than better wood sleepers.

    • @Dennis-vh8tz
      @Dennis-vh8tz Рік тому

      The video and photos show single track and wood ties/sleepers.

  • @lisasmith1850
    @lisasmith1850 Рік тому

    It seems like they are hauling too much with shoddy equipment. Too many hours on the poor engineers as well. They need a decent Union and more legal oversite.

  • @Redmist-se7ld
    @Redmist-se7ld Рік тому

    Norfolk Southern is gonna go bankrupt

  • @railfanjeremiah8654
    @railfanjeremiah8654 Рік тому

    Cool

  • @ef66kenken
    @ef66kenken Рік тому

    😮😮😮😮

  • @CSX1897
    @CSX1897 Рік тому +1

    Wow ex illinois central Cool

  • @jacobdubielak
    @jacobdubielak Рік тому

    Good deal

  • @kens.3729
    @kens.3729 Рік тому +1

    Norfolk Southern (NS) is a Cluster**** as far as the Class I Railroads are concerned. Why would Shareholders want to allow this Negative Behavior to Continue ? 🤪👎

  • @Trainzandplanez
    @Trainzandplanez Рік тому +1

    Bro

  • @Hannah_montannah
    @Hannah_montannah Рік тому +1

    meow

  • @AtlantaNorthDistrict_Railfan

    Nice

  • @BobMuskFan
    @BobMuskFan Рік тому

    Government should spend a few billions to fix the infrastructure

  • @nolantherailfan5048
    @nolantherailfan5048 Рік тому +2

    Norfolk Southern is a clown railroad

  • @joeleboeuf
    @joeleboeuf Рік тому

    I have an idea where those two old engines were headed: The Scrapyard.

  • @nixzs
    @nixzs Рік тому +1

    Bnsf best❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉

  • @uprailfan73
    @uprailfan73 Рік тому

    How is ns going to continue hey UP heres your change to buy ns

  • @kitbaker8521
    @kitbaker8521 Рік тому

    This s of no help…I don’t like title tales from non professionals. Inaccurate , too.

    • @KCSRailstudios
      @KCSRailstudios Рік тому +2

      Nothing inaccurate about this video. I personally don't like people who feel the need to complain about everything.

    • @SebisRandomTech
      @SebisRandomTech Рік тому +1

      I don’t like people that complain about stuff they know nothing about. Petty, too.

  • @Davidwilson-fq7jf
    @Davidwilson-fq7jf Рік тому

    It's not old locomotives it's maintenance on the tracks they have cut 30% of maintenance ontracks

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