Daystate or FX : Top 4 Rifle Comparison
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2018
- In this video I was lucky enough to have the FX Crown and Impact alongside the Daystate Wolverine R and RedWolf all at the same time. I team up with one of my subscribers to do a fun quick impressions / shoot with the 4 top rifles available at the moment.
This is a fun comparison, the rifles were not fully tested with different pellets, but gives you and idea.
Full reviews of these 4 rifles are coming to the channel.
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Steve Allan all ready part off it Steve been there from the beginning
Thanks for the review. All of these rifles are excellent. I’ve shot 3 of the 4 on your table and I own the Crown in .30 cal. The adjustability comes in very handy when you’re not limited to 12 ft/lbs. In your review, it also shot the best groups. Very happy with mine. Again, thank you for sharing.
Many thanks mate. If FAC, then the Crown really shines, just overkill for sub 12
Thoroughly enjoy this channel. Keep up the great videos!
Love this kind of casual fun reviews, subbed. Due to the reports of problems on the Impact I was hesitant to buy one, but I decided on buying a later model anyways and 3000+ shots later and lots of adjusting, no problems at all (not even minor leaks). Great rifle.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it, we loved making it.
I love this honest review. Thank you brother! Stay healthy!
Thanks for this Steve and Eric. Always enjoy your videos buddy and will look forward to seeing the full reviews later. All the best guys for the New Year!!
Thanks buddy, please share
Very fun and enjoyable video! You two should do more like this.
Great video a lot of fun, love the relaxed nature, very entertaining.
Thanks for watching
Wieder ein sehr gutes Video,ein guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr wünsche ich Euch !
Vielen Dank und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr
This was a great video with your two boys. Hope to se more of That 👍
thanks
Great honest review guys
Thank you, please share
Two guys that love guns trying to explain why they love one over the other when in the end they love them all, these are our toys! Keep the good work Steve, honest reviews and invite Eric again !!! He also has good taste in guns!
Thanks for the info
Your welcome :)
Great honest video. Some great hardware there. Best wishes from Northern Ireland.
Thanks Derek.
Really good vid guys 👍
Very good review it is and time for conclusion...Top springer will be my next airgun :)
Steve, we like your videos and watching, keep it up
Thank you buddy
Great video Steve 👍👍
Thanks buddy, please share
great review
Great little overview. Any chance you could do a Overview/Review of the discovery scopes?
Cheers.
I generally don't do scope reviews as many others do and they are hard to show true quality on UA-cam,
Hi Steve I've got the daystate huntsman classic love it but I really like the look of the fx impact so will probably be getting one of them in the summer have a great new year to yourself and Erick atvb jimmy 😎 😎
Thanks, have a great new year too. Good luck when you get an Impact, it is a superb rifle.
Satisfying to see that my hw99s can get tighter groups than all those expensive rifles.
We were not being all that serious let us be honest. It was more of a fun video. But we are crap shots too :)
REX BARTON Clearly you didn’t pay attention
Really?
Always one
Haven't seen this one Steve will get round to seeing all of your videos brilliant thanks
For all your helpful video s 😁 👍😉+like the vapour to lol
Thanks for watching :)
redwolf gets my vote just for the looks but bearing in mind the results of international competitors of late with the redwolf seemingly it has raised the bar, the only issue is the electronics and reliability which only time will tell on that one, great video again lads, wishing all the chaps involved a healthy and happy 2019 and im looking forward to enjoying more vids next year !!
Thanks buddy, please share
REDWOLF HP, not this sub 12ft pounds bullshit. .....
Like the video can you do a video on the discovery scopes see you have some on the rifles, thanks
All 4 are on my list in FAC except the Air Arms 510 Ultimate Sporter, would have been nice to see that on your list. Can’t wait for the reviews and then i can make my mind up. Happy new year
Thanks, was a lot of fun putting the video together
Was hoping for the S510 TDR R (regulated) to be released in sub 12ft as I'm not on ticket. The F.A.C version is either out now or soon to be in the UK, but sadly after an email from Air Arms they have no plans on releasing them in sub 12ft due to too many of the un-regulated version still waiting for good homes (both in AA's warehouse & shops), so they don't want to doom them to dust gatherers by releasing a version with at least double the shot count & much bigger or no sweet spot to concern about.
Enjoyed the conversation
I had to watch this again guys. I am going to buy a Daystate Redwolf come hell, or high water. The next time someone makes a stupid comment about sub 12ft pounds rifles. ....Tell them to go watch the video of the man killing bear, deer and hogs with a blow gun. ......It really puts shot placement in perspective. I now see the high shot count, quietness and accuracy as more important than power. Sub 12ft pounds will kill out to 75 yards, or even 100 if you do your part. God bless you brother's.
Like that hell or high water lol I got my red wolf coming tomorrow I'm literally counting the minutes lmao like you I go for high shot count and sub 12 that's plenty of power I mainly shoot hft I think the wolf will be a good rifle for that
Who killed a bear with a blow gun?
@@rexbarton3958 Tim Wells... The Slock Master. Relentless Pursuit. Some of his vids are outrageous.
Being a replicaholic, I don't care for PCPs or bullpups. But seeing as we are m8s across the pond, I enjoy watching your videos as I like your Canadian accent. LOL Happy New Year my airgun video making brother.
hehhehehehe thanks Doc
Another great vid Steve. Could of sold tickets to come along and have a shoot with those fine selection of rifles. I have both the redwolf and the impact and for me the impact comes out on top.
It was a very close call, to be honest, they are all great.
@@airgunology
Tough job testing them all but someone has to do it I guesd
Yeah, someone has to do it :)
great video ! thank you ;)
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@@airgunology , i follow you there , i am the HFT500 / FX impact guy ;)
Nice :)
Well done Eric to buying a fx impact after trying mine out .Fx now soughted problems out as Steve has said enjoy mate.
Nice :) Might be getting one myself soon too.
I used to make stupid comments about the sub 12 ft pounds guns. But now I have come to realize that the high shot count and low noise may be a damn nice advantage. So now I would really like a sub 12ft pounds rifle.
Thanks, I get many comments like that especially from the USA where power limits are non existent. Low sub 12 has many advantages and i believe makes you a better shot as you have to be "deadly" accurate with shot placement. Brings more fun to the sport.
Hi Steve got myself a daystate red wolf hi lite in 177 sub 12ft it's the best rifle ive ever shot it's not pellet fussy and i just love the electronic trigger
It is awesome and welcome to the club. I love mine, so accurate and a joy to shoot.
I don’t no enough details , and info regarding a comparison, I like all these guns but for some unknown reason I quite fancy the RTI Preist cheers Shane
If I had to choose between those 4 rifles, I would break out in a cold sweat. All of them are accurate and all are tops in one catagory or another. Solution: hit the lottery and buy them all! Based on the ability to change liners and shoot slugs, I THINK I would narrowly go with the Impact. But even that, it would depend on the day of the week that you ask me. That Red Wolf looks so wicked. I think doves would just die when they saw the gun - no need to pull the trigger. lol
Good job guys on trying to be unbiased. It's crazy hard with those heavy weight guns.
Thanks buddy, it was a bit of fun with limited time.
Hi Stevie,
Need your advise pls mate.
What's the best most reliable sub 12 all rounder in 177, from rats to rabbits and woodies, if u had to choose one rifle what would it be, hitting 15m - 50m targets, with some field trekking work also.
FX Impact M3 or the Daystate wolverine R lite.
I love both and they have good breeding, but I cant make a mistake on reliability and good standing into the future at these prices.
cheers
Andy
Great review 👍nice to see all four together ,but surely if the Crown is too much rifle and too complicated for sub 12 then surely the impact x must be as well
One could argue that, but overall it is lighter, nicer, cheaper and well works and is desirable. As I said, take this with a pinch of salt, all 4 rifles are amazing and our views only.
Hi can I get some more information on the Wolverine bipod? What type and how it was fitted please.
I would like to know where the Diana productions stand, the german brand with the T06 triggers, could you please do a comparison video about the Diana brand?
I have the wolverine R in .177 and must say it is a very accurate , I also have a Daystate Red Ranger in .20 which is also very accurate. AA diablo .177 are my go to pellets and JSB .20 for the Red Ranger
Wolverine R is a beast and I love it. Love them all, all great rifles and make anyone happy.
Red wolf- "If that was in black pepper, I would get one yesterday". Me too....
lol, many say that. What about a blue one ? That is out now, search my recent videos for the RedWolf Midnight.
Would be nice to see some reviews on Anschutz , Steyr and ISP air guns in the future? I believe they are the top 3 in terms of accuracy and quality, just my opinion of course :)
Would love to, only problem is all my rifles are loaned from subscribers and not many have these or are willing to loan. Will keep trying.
You should have given one away in a competition Steve , I would have been happy to win any , the wolverine is my favourite, but think you’d be happy with any of them , l o l cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Would love to, but the cost.
Steve Allan was only a joke Steve ,, a tin of pellets give away in a competition,is enough to keep people sweet
I like your honesty fellas, My pick would be Impact which I own 1, Wolverine as i think Its a beautiful rifle an toss a coin for the last 2. I do think the reds hideous.
Hey Steve. Do you think you can get your hands on an Edgun Matador R5M and work your magic with it? I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Will try
You should prolly go with a sub12fp Daisey Red Rider, brilliant shot count and can't beat the price:)
Different league to these rifles.
You clearly don't know what your talking about pal there's only one place for the gauntlet and that's in the bin fact!! And more power doesn't mean it's better the fact you've made that statement really shows you know jack sh-t!! 👍
I know the difference between a top end rifle and a value based rifle. Without question these are the shit when it comes to high quality top end guns. I have a sub 300$ Nova Vista Liberty/Alpha...FAC...I also have top end guns and one in particular is a Crown...all in .22. Out to 80 yards the Liberty is more consistent and accurate than my Crown. I don’t know if I hit the barrel/regulator lottery with this gun and it’s sister in synthetic or what but I don’t have all the stress of damaging or scratching it when I take it out. The Crown is an amazing gun and a work of art mechanically and looks. Both have an externally adjustable regulator, adjustable trigger, and after a slight mod to the Liberty, adjustable hammer spring. What a bunch of lucky guys we are to be alive and into airguns in this day and age. The powder burning world snubs airguns even though most of them were taught how to shot with them and probably think of big box stores when they think of airguns. They have know idea how effective one can be when setup right and used properly. I really appreciate reviews that put the big dogs side by side. That Daystate Red Wolf is wicked accurate. Not that any of the other guns are a slouch by any means and the Impact...well...speaks for its self. Damn I love airguns. They are all sexy and desirable to me and I want all of them. Top them with quality optics and WOW! Magic can happen that would put a smile on the hardest powder burners face. Thanks for an awesome comparison bud. Stay safe, stay well. God bless you and your family in these crazy times bud. Take care.
Got a .177 red wolf hilite and a .22 wolverine R hilite, both laminate. The red wolf is on a different level to anything I’ve ever fired. It’s basically the Bugatti of air guns.
yup, nice isn't it the RW :)
Steve Allan I go through a tin of pellets a week with it haha.
Hi Ryan. Do you think the Red wolf is worth the extra money over the Wolverine R. I quite fancy the redwolf midnight blue and the Wolverine r in grey laminate but can't decide if it's worth the extra cash.
Mark L deffo mate, just the trigger alone is superior in every way. It takes a bit of getting used to, but after a while everything else doesn’t feel right
The dislike of Mags over sst speaks volumes as to manufactures lack of practical experience in shooting 🦉
Are Eric's guns fitted with Eaglevision mounts?? Just got these for my next project. Living in Turkey so no power limits which makes adjustable rings more important possibly than in UK.
Think they are sportmatch
The FX no limits adjustable mounts are great
I have an impact & it shoots really well now 3 barrels later, got to say the after sales are pants its taken me 18 months to sort it & the magazine system is crap for a £1600 gun but i do like the 550 shots ish in 177 , get an HW100 magazine system in it & it would be near perfect for me, i would buy a red wolf tomorrow if they did one in black soft touch rubberised stock ,thanks for taking the time to post the vids though unbiased views are the way to go
Many thanks buddy, please share. I know Daystate are being asked for many different stocks on the Redwolf. I am sure they will bow to pressure eventually.
Have you tried slugs in your impact? Do you have a new Impact X?
@@tgardner866 my impact is the new xtwist barrel now eventually tried everything in it
@@silverbob999 Wow. Utah Air Guns sells a crazy high mag for the Impact. I have to get a slug liner for mine (when/if I buy one).
The comparisons are great as we can't all get our hands on a crop of top-tier airguns like that for concurrent testing. One question, Steve, if you don't like the Crown due to complexity (knobs and dials) why is the same criticism not applied to the Impact as well?
It is the same with the Impact, just personal choice that I really like the Impact, the look and feel of it and how different it is. In all truth, the rifles are so darn close to each other i could have really put them in any order.
What air rifle comes out on top for accuracy, please disregard any other factor?
As someone has owned and owns some of the so called top end guns I lean towards daystate
Iv always had issues regarding reliability with fx rifles in one form or another
Also I think the durability and reliability of the daystate rifles are better
And two grand for s crown mine was sixteen hundred
I like the quality of the Daystates and they are literally 30miles from me, so I can always return to factory if I have a problem.
Try ringing Daystate? They don't talk to Joe public! Been there got the Tee shirt! I think you will find you would have to go through a dealer for any problems.
andy b
90%if the time you are right
Back at the old factory you could actually ask to speak to Tony when he was the head honcho (Around 6 yrs ago)
Especially if you were asking about ltd edition rifles, especially if you made a point of telling them you owned a number of them ,
Sadly things are very different now
You must be a rep for Daystate ...most airgunners will tell you that Daystate have more than there fair share of reliability issues, and probably more than FX
What is a modifier ?I heard you mention a few times in your vids.
Silencer, moderator, modifier, all the same thing and everyone calls them all 3 and I do as well to keep myself and others confused :)
Most ridiculous name I’ve heard is “Lead Duster Collector”.
What is the name brand and model of scope is that on the wolverine?
Not sure, was some time ago
Spares are an issue too, sportsman centre send 3D printed parts for discontinued models I believe.
This was a great casual overview. When I watched your intro and saw all the toys...I was thinking “cool”...then I realized that there are probably going to be the same old comments we see endlessly: “I can shoot better”....and “These guns are a waste ....and my $2 piece of $hit does just as good”. Maybe it’s why Daysate makes 100-200 of these gems...they didn’t make them for the masses. And why get irritated and trash them bc you can’t afford them? I can’t afford a yacht yet it would be nice to have one. I’m sure if someone handed these naysayers a Daystate LE they’d be happy as a pig in “$” . As for shooting better....anyone who has to brag I’d never believe....and furthermore don’t care. It’s for fun...most ppl just like shooting and enjoying Airguns so no need to get your tape measurer out and compare. I like old springers as well as the high end stuff. It’s all just for fun anyway??? Right?
Great job and thanks for a very refreshing and causal look at some awesome Airguns.
I have a Daystate Air Wolf which has the same comb as the Wolverine. I really dislike how it slopes downward because when you shoot prone your face is slightly forward and you lose cheek weld. I don't like the belly on the Impact because you cannot position a bag underneath when shooting varmints.
Each have their disadvantages, but so nice nowabays we have so much to choose from. I liked the Impact so much, I ended up picking up a 2nd hand one to go with the RedWolf and cover target shooting RW and hunting Impact.
I love my berserker mtl rta and rti priest 😂
Nice hope the Priest is behaving itself.
Hi Steve,
Any plans on reviewing the priest air rifle ??
Unfortunately not soon. I had one lined up, but the owner sent it back due to shocking build quality and piss poor magazine loading. I played with it and concurred with him it was not worth it.
Good video Steve, I'd like to see a full test of them all at 40 + yds using single shot loaders. Think I will spring for a Wolverine personally has to be a good buy with it being cheaper. I'm not a fan of the Red Wolf as I have had experience of Daystate electronics before. Don't care for the style of the Impact as was said its a bit of a marmite gun. But thats just my personal taste
Thanks Bill. I will be reviewing these individually in the new year. Max I can go out to is 30m tho unfortunately and setting camera's up in a range is a bit of a hassle.
I was going to buy a RTI Priest but you put me off it Steve :~} So now going to go for the Wolverine R . Will look forward to seeing the individual reviews from you.
Wise choice buddy. The RTI looks good and priced well, just the quality of it lets it down and everyone I know who has tried one says the same.
You paid £1950 for the Crown! Countryway Gunshop now have it listed on their Website for £1649 .PS that's were I get all my guns & ammunition from .Plus Daystate Pulsar synthetic for £1185 plus JSB 177 8.4 for £7.75! Just goes to show the mark up most gun shops make!! Solware must have a little giggle every time Eric gets out his wallet LOL.
I didn't pay it, Eric the other person on the video did and he was one of the 1st customers to get the 1st ones in the UK and so paid a "normal" price for it. People are still offering him silly money for it even though he has now sold it.
As with all rifles, shop around and find a deal.
Shows how things have changed in five years,I bought an fx crown mk2 synthetic in .177,with the fx hard case for only 1,200 new,a few months ago 😃and bought the fx drs synthetic in .22 today,for £750,but would have been more expensive if I had a different stock,great video content as always from you guys 👍😎
All fantastic rifles but it’s the impact all day long for me
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Excelente comparativo, porém jamais se compara precisão de calibre .177 x .22 assim como não se compara energia em Joules entre esses calibres, fica a dica .
Thanks you
Crown or wolverine r ? Today both around £ 1300 which one people 🤔 and chuck in brocock sniper
I know that this broadcast is over 3 years old & in that time technology/guns have changed dramatically. All those on show have been replaced by up to date models.
But, its interesting to note that my new HW 100 laminate in 177 is far more accurate over 30 yards than all those shown & IS considerably more cost effective.
Redwolf all day. Still have my baby, got rid of my impact now and have the crown mk11.
I just can’t see myself ever buying anything other than a *Daystate **#DAYSTATE*
Great guns,vaping,sitting outdoors....cracking!!
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it.
Mill wall wt lol happy new year.
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Nice rifles Steve I think you kicked all 4 of their butts with a £350 hw97k thou 👍
Maybe. We never pellet tested the rifles and used magazine and not single shot. So it would have been close.
How much is that fx impact sir?
i pity the english... sub 13 footpounds? Cool that you guys are still stoked! im waiting for my m3 standard bronze. thanks for the effort guys. appreciate it
whats the lifespan on the bottles for these tanks? how long before they have to go in for hydro testing?
No idea, but years and years. They have no test date on them that I have seen.
@@airgunology weiracht or however that is spelled limits their tanks to 20 years and they must be tested after 10. Regardless of wheter or not they are in service. The clock starts ticking as soon as the bottle is stamped/painted/marked with time and date. I may be wrong as its been a while since reading but that is what I recall. just a little fun fact there. I would assume something similar for all the rest of the bottle guns
Ah, never really thought of it before, but makes sense. Will check with DayState when I get my RedWolf.
Spoke to DayState today. 15 years and the carbon bottles should be re-checked.
@@airgunology Is that "the carbon bottles should be re-checked", in 15 years also?
At them prices.... You would expect the bulls eye grouping at least
Shooting a sub 12 ft/ibs at 30 m...buy a springer. Test them at +150m at full power and there will be a winner.
We not FAC, but will be testing at 50m+ soon.
Impact 3500 in oz
Check the pellet probe on the Red Wolf for damage: ua-cam.com/video/dh4_7Rmgsd0/v-deo.html
Will do
Interesting video, my s410k is as accurate if not more than those rifles featured at the same range it's a pellet hole after 5 shots.
Video not really about shot count as distance and time was limited. Thanks for watching.
steve the hw100 half the price of any of the guns your testing and it will blow them all away less is more mucka
I am sure it would at 30m, move out past there and the gap will grow. But the HW100 is an awesome rifle.
Dudes! How much did you pay for the Crown? Got mine after a 4 month wait for £250 off retail !! Don't want to disclose retailer as they would be in trouble but time to do some research my friends?
1950 UK pounds.
As always, shop around for deals. If you want immediately and in stock, expect to pay close to real price. But as always, shop around. Eric who owned the Crown wanted it there and then and placed his order for one of the 1st batch to hit UK and so paid MSRP for his, £1950 at the time.
@@airgunology eveytime I look at UK pricing compared to US/Canada pricing , it seems to me that you guys are continually taking one for the team...... wtf? I bought a crown synthetic last night... $2040.00CAD The BP is 1.4-1.6X's the value of a CAD $ Why aren't you Gents paying something closer to 700-800 pounds?
@@jefferywindflags8655 Simple answer, because it's the UK. If you want shafting on the price of anything, come do some shopping in the UK, even a burger costs almost double and the friggers are shite & tiny, from a certain scottish named chain. Of course we have plenty of cheap shops such as the abundance of £1 stores, but 99.9% of stuff bought there will either fall apart getting it out of the packet or last a 10th of the time a higher brand genuine product would.
I noticed that a lot of comments below are about price … if they where all the same price .. I wonder what would come out on top .
yeah would be interesting. Not the crown imho
Fx for me
As good as those tools on the table are, Steyr and Feinwerkbau air rifles out match them
all too heavy and overcomplicated, so I go for the FX. being 80 years old and having to carry all-day FX best all-round. for me. and their wildcat with the cocking leaver halfway along the barrel is brill.
It is nice to have choice and that works under your circumstances, stick with it.
I hunt therefore Impact .25 FAC = spectacular. Crown is beautiful but heavier in the field same as Red Wolf, which shoots well and equally nice adjustability.
Value for money on the range at
Nice and I concur with you on those points. FX or Wolverine for a lot of people for hunting. Me it was the RedWolf as I want to do HFT and love the tech / looks.
The Red Wolf tech is a peek at the future.
Dear, there are so many problems with fx impact. All you have to do is servicing all the songs that have come to Bangladesh. The crown is very good but low fps
Great videos mate. I enjoy them. Nice rifles on this one. Your right you are both lousy shots !! or the rifles are not so accurate . Large groups at 30m . You have a lot of fun and that's what it is all about
We are lousy shots :). In fairness, we rushed the video as we only had and afternoon and we did not pellet test, just Sovereigns, load mags (no single shot) and fire them away quickly as purpose was our initial thoughts and not accuracy.
Daystate is top of the top , FX never ever can close to that quality and accuracy for certain..
It is a close run thing
Legenda em português!
Legend in portuguese Brasil please
Take into account customer service of FX and Daystate
1st Impact 2 redwolf 3 crown 4 wolverine.. wolverine can never be first,
everyone has an opinion, no real answer, just our opinions
Nothing wrong with the Wolverine
I'm with Eric
The humble Sumatra beats them all for power to price ratio..
No near as refined or accurate tho
Steve Allan That happens to be the project I am working on..Creating my own custom slugs to suit the barrel in .22..It has more power than most, it just needs more "thought" put into the projectile.
.216 bore diameter 0.003 groove, overall diameter 0.222....
Would you believe me if I told you I had a nova Vista liberty, a 22 caliber FAC that will out shoot all four of those guns that cost US$350. I doubt it. I would love to show you.
Not really objective and the Crown had the best groupings of the 4
Indeed as I warned at the beginning of the video, just 2 blokes 1st opinions. Full reviews will follow.
I use the Crown .25 FAC with the 34grain JSB king heavy mk2 and am impressed of the accuracy on 100meters
My hw 100 pellet on pellet 30 mtrs off the bipod ,day state overpriced,get some practice in boys ya need it.
Did you not read the warning at the beginning. It was not a full accuracy test, just a bit of 1st impressions etc for those considering each of these rifles. Full reviews individually are coming later :)
Steve Allan yes I did but you supposedly have the best guns on the market so shooting like that doesn’t make me want to run out and buy a daystate or an fx mane your vaping got in your eyes hey.
Gary, sorry but you missed the point of the video. There are plenty of videos out there with accuracy testing out to 50 - 100m. Eric and I had the rifles for 4 hours that day in one place and limited time and space, hence why the warning was there and this was not an accuracy test / video, more of a discussion which you don't really see much of (if you do it is very biased). Hehehehe on the vaping, better than the real things and keeping me off the ciggies after 25 years and so I am happy :)
@@airgunology Well, for an impromptu 4 gun comparison and no prior set up or familiarization I would have to say that the averages speak for themselves. Thanks for the info. Guys like me - "the unknown consumers" DO NOT have readily available access to 4 guns from 3 manufactures...etc. Grateful for the time you spent on this. Even with all the varying comments for or against one rifle or the other... Its right tough to make a decision on what to buy. So Fuck it. I bought a synthetic Crown last night.. If the mag fucks up.. Im sure I can fix it. If it shoots like you guys shot it on a "first off" attempt without tuning.. I'll be happy. You are already aware as to why i bought the rifle... now the waiting game begins... I only hope I will not get any unwanted surprises from the dealer.. So much fuking bullshit and hidden/unmentioned caviats from most canadian vendors.. its a piss me off more than a joy. I just wish I had found your ATN reviews before I went throught all the bullshit...
Cheers! RSJ
@5:42 Nothing "cheap" about the Wolverine R. May be less expensive than the other three, but "cheap" she is definitely not!