@@Bradmcabee84 hasn't been done dose not mean impossible... Its charity work, if it would make people money obviously we would know after big sharks ate everything.
@@moonmonoar5000it is salt water on top of fresh water ice. Salt water ice needs deeper temperatures and melts a lot faster. During that process, it would just erode the fresh water ice and take it with it. That concept is actually quite dangerous and is very likely to end in absolute disaster.
Arctic ice ice isn't the problem. It doesn't affect the level of the ocean because it is already in the ocean. It's continental glacial ice from Greenland, Antarctica, Ellesmere Island that will raise sea levels. Good luck turning that one around.
He didn't speak to the levels of the ocean, he spoke about preservation of a habitat, which even if sea levels rise, having land for the animals that require it is beneficial to not lose the fauna.
@@reesescreases The problem is that he isn't increasing the width of the ice, as the water temperature would melt it. He only increased the height, which increases the weight of the ice, pushing it further into the water. It won't really help unless they can increase the width which would be too costly.
Except salt water has a lower eutectic point so it has a lower freezing/melting point. You would need colder temperatures and the ice would melt at a lower temperature and hence be more vulnerable to melting till it has been around for a few years during which the salt would settle out of the ice and as the seawater is freezing, it lowers the albedo hence absorbs more heat from solar radiation than reflective ice does so having pools on top of existing ice only hastens the overall melting of the ice even if the pools freeze which requires the weather to be and remain cold enough. Remember, we salt our roads to melt road ice and snow. Pools of water on top of glaciers has been shown to accelerate the melting of glaciers and the second generation of ice houses was the realization that draining the melt water and dehumidifying the air helped preserve the remaining ice so the second generation of ice houses not only had racks allowing the melt water to drain off the ice but were vented to dehumidify the air even though this would be with hot air from the environment. Refreezing seawater on top of existing sea ice is just fundamentally wrong and would accelerate overall melting just as surface water pools do with glaciers and with salting de-ices roads. This idea is little different from saying HHO can improve fuel efficiency in gasoline cars, people may be convinced it helps but only due to a lack of scientific comprehension, water on ice may freeze but only by melting the ice more.
@@megasbaladoros Even if it worked, geoengineering needs to be on a massive scale so a profitable business model must underwrite it and this concept has no underlying business model. Geoengineering efforts such as using high sulfur fuels with passenger airliners and with ocean cargo ships have a chance of reaching the scales needed and the acid rain concerns of the 70's and the global dimming effects studied after 911 and Marine tracks of cloud vapours show that they do scale up quite effectively but geoengineering efforts such as refreezing sea ice, spraying sea water into the air to promote cloud formations and raising the albedo of glaciers (which does work temporarily in one study but they used white plastic film which later got covered with dirty low albedo snow and dust) simply can't ride on the coat tails of successful business models. Just changing fuels to high sulfur fuels actually lowers the costs of existing the airlines and shipping models by lowering fuel costs so those geoengineering efforts fund themselves (though they have other economic externality costs such as acid rain that we all pay for outside the economic model).
All they need is a way to harvest that surface salt, and that shouldn't be a major problem. Even if it is brackish or brine, you can freeze it to a lower temperature to keep it solid, and 70 cm of ice is nothing to laugh at. You scumbags need to bring solutions, not ignorant scorn. 😂
WAIT. The arctic ice is FRESH water! Due to the natural freezing process all the salt stays out of the ice. If they just pump salt water on to of it and let it freeze, we end up with a mixture of both. Salty water melts a lot faster than fresh water, so during that process, they could just end up destroying the entire region. "As simple as that!", he says! 😂
@@Clouds-su3dc please look up how big a desalination plant is. If those people found a way to desalinate the amount of water they need to refreeze during the process, they knew how big of a deal that would be and we all knew about it. They are using salt water, that's for sure. And it's a very dumb idea.
Maybe running the pumps to help the arctic is with it in the long run. Just like running machines to make vehicles that pollute less over the life of the vehicle
I know you think you said something smart here, but they clearly said the machines were powered by green hydrogen which doesn’t emit greenhouse gas and is produced through electrolysis of water through renewable electricity
I really hope this works out! But the problem of global warming is about our energy balance being disturbed, the excess heat will probably add to that problem elsewhere on the globe.
This is something we actually need to stay alive because when that ice melts there’s rlly old viruses In that Ice so if we can refreez that ice we could stop that from happening, just speaking facts
The pumped water will just move heat from below the ice to above the ice. Where there is already ice you may make it thicker but where the ice is aready gone this obviously cannot work. The need is for a larger surface area of ice to reflect the sun's energy back out to space. This idea cannot help that.
My only issue with this is we seen to be messing with a lot of things that nature is trying to do naturally so what happens if we are interfering to much and we aren’t looking to far ahead with what this will do to the planet we may see far worse issues with climate because of the artificial slowdown or even stopping it completely
Yeah, I'm sure this won't have any negative consequences down the road. Let's just keep geo-engineering and playing with the worlds weather, nothing bad could ever happen....
Let it play out before you judge. We have been destroying the biosphere and atmosphere for hundreds of years, so geo-engineering will likely need to be part of the solution. It won't just be solar, wind or nuclear.
@@swingersonian I'm guessing that you think blocking the sun, which gives plants and trees life and us oxygen, is a good thing? And I'm not judging, I am predicting. There's never been a geo-engineering experiment that didn't have horrible side effects.
but the air above is suffering from catastrophic unprecedented extreme temperatures from global warming and the oceans are boiling (apparently UN chief says so ) and all the ice melted over 10 years ago ( source Al Gore) believe the science peoples !!!
Is that for real??? What happens to the salt then? The salt is an agent that helps ice to melt. Normal sea ice has no salt. But if you pump sea water on top of ice and let it freeze, then the salt will be trapped there, and once it is a little warmer, i.e. in the warm season, the ice will melt more easily than it would if it were salt free. So the end result would be the opposite of what they are trying to do. The minimum extent of ice, in the end of summer, will be smaller.
Putting salt water which thaws at a warmer temperature then non salt water on top of a glacier that isn’t salt water ice…. Hrmm what could go wrong? Guess I’m skeptical of this plan.
these are the kinds of ideas you get after you slept through all of your STEM classes 🥴😢😮💨 can someone please explain some basic physics and chemistry?
Energy can't be created or destroyed, just changed format. I feel like that RULE leads to this not being actually helpful... you actually might be hurting things because the Energy needed to transport the water to the surfave is energy that wasn't being consumed before
Wait.... This is dumb. Arctic sea ice is fresh water. Not salt water...you pump salt water ontop of fresh water sea ice. All you are doing is accelerating how quickly it melts in the summer 🤷
😂 Just think - problem of CO2 in the air make temperature higher and ice get melted, so more water surface is exposed to the cold air..... It should freeze By it self. Good money wasting for all of us / good money making for this company on our stupidity 🤑
Well it seems like a good investment to correct for our stupidity… if this would be the only thing we need to pay for to correct our stupidity, I’ll gladly pay my part of the bill. (But it’s probably not that simple to fully stop climate change)
@@candrakane4642 yes. But does that impact this set up? I mean it’s sea ice, it’s already salt and they don’t mention desalination while pumping it up.
It's arrogant to assume that the ice shouldn't melt. Maybe the planet is going back to the way it should be. Why do we assume because the ice is there right now, it's supposed to stay there? We don't expect the ice that's on the ground in January to still be there in July. Canada used to be under two miles of ice, we're not trying to bring that back now, are we?
The statistics show the earth heating rapidly since industrialisation. Basically we have been playing god ever since we started burning fossil fuels. Time to course correct.
This startup should be praised so much more... I want them to thrive
It wouldnt work like they saying, thats why in reality it hasn't been done already.
@@Bradmcabee84 hasn't been done dose not mean impossible... Its charity work, if it would make people money obviously we would know after big sharks ate everything.
@@moonmonoar5000it is salt water on top of fresh water ice. Salt water ice needs deeper temperatures and melts a lot faster. During that process, it would just erode the fresh water ice and take it with it.
That concept is actually quite dangerous and is very likely to end in absolute disaster.
Hallelujah keep up the good work saving this planet !! Thank you ❤❤❤❤
This planet’s climate has been changing since the beginning of time!!! You can NOT stop it from changing.
We can if all of us work togethe!!!@@chrissparks3254
@@chrissparks3254if you don’t like a comment don’t answer it hope this helps!😄
People have damaged the earth and world. It's good that people are finding ideas and solutions to save our world.
apparently, it's not a solution. It's just a band-aid on a wound. It doesn't solve the global warming that has been making the ice melt.
In the summer. Current sea ice re freeze is ahead of the historical average.
Arctic ice ice isn't the problem. It doesn't affect the level of the ocean because it is already in the ocean. It's continental glacial ice from Greenland, Antarctica, Ellesmere Island that will raise sea levels. Good luck turning that one around.
He didn't speak to the levels of the ocean, he spoke about preservation of a habitat, which even if sea levels rise, having land for the animals that require it is beneficial to not lose the fauna.
@@reesescreases You are talking about whole continents.
@@reesescreases The problem is that he isn't increasing the width of the ice, as the water temperature would melt it. He only increased the height, which increases the weight of the ice, pushing it further into the water. It won't really help unless they can increase the width which would be too costly.
Except salt water has a lower eutectic point so it has a lower freezing/melting point. You would need colder temperatures and the ice would melt at a lower temperature and hence be more vulnerable to melting till it has been around for a few years during which the salt would settle out of the ice and as the seawater is freezing, it lowers the albedo hence absorbs more heat from solar radiation than reflective ice does so having pools on top of existing ice only hastens the overall melting of the ice even if the pools freeze which requires the weather to be and remain cold enough. Remember, we salt our roads to melt road ice and snow. Pools of water on top of glaciers has been shown to accelerate the melting of glaciers and the second generation of ice houses was the realization that draining the melt water and dehumidifying the air helped preserve the remaining ice so the second generation of ice houses not only had racks allowing the melt water to drain off the ice but were vented to dehumidify the air even though this would be with hot air from the environment. Refreezing seawater on top of existing sea ice is just fundamentally wrong and would accelerate overall melting just as surface water pools do with glaciers and with salting de-ices roads. This idea is little different from saying HHO can improve fuel efficiency in gasoline cars, people may be convinced it helps but only due to a lack of scientific comprehension, water on ice may freeze but only by melting the ice more.
Thank you!
I thought of the same issue. Do you think that they apply this method for real?
@@megasbaladoros Even if it worked, geoengineering needs to be on a massive scale so a profitable business model must underwrite it and this concept has no underlying business model. Geoengineering efforts such as using high sulfur fuels with passenger airliners and with ocean cargo ships have a chance of reaching the scales needed and the acid rain concerns of the 70's and the global dimming effects studied after 911 and Marine tracks of cloud vapours show that they do scale up quite effectively but geoengineering efforts such as refreezing sea ice, spraying sea water into the air to promote cloud formations and raising the albedo of glaciers (which does work temporarily in one study but they used white plastic film which later got covered with dirty low albedo snow and dust) simply can't ride on the coat tails of successful business models. Just changing fuels to high sulfur fuels actually lowers the costs of existing the airlines and shipping models by lowering fuel costs so those geoengineering efforts fund themselves (though they have other economic externality costs such as acid rain that we all pay for outside the economic model).
This man needs to be the one running these news channels. We need the truth
All they need is a way to harvest that surface salt, and that shouldn't be a major problem. Even if it is brackish or brine, you can freeze it to a lower temperature to keep it solid, and 70 cm of ice is nothing to laugh at. You scumbags need to bring solutions, not ignorant scorn. 😂
@@johnwang9914This is a pure petrochemical funded non-solution.
its the green hygdrogen that will prevent them. Green hydrogen is very difficult to make efficiently
Why? It's only electrolysis of water, right? You could possibly power that through water turbines at the bottom of the pipes.
You can literally make green hydrogen by renewable energy powered electrolysis of water.
Yeah, let's do something before it's too late, if it isn't already
Good news for polor bears!❤🎉
Fun fact: the laws of thermodynamics have no jurisdiction here
*How do you desalinate the water first??*
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WAIT. The arctic ice is FRESH water! Due to the natural freezing process all the salt stays out of the ice. If they just pump salt water on to of it and let it freeze, we end up with a mixture of both. Salty water melts a lot faster than fresh water, so during that process, they could just end up destroying the entire region.
"As simple as that!", he says! 😂
Yeah, I agree but what if they try to make it so that the machines can remove the salt water and then the water is poured out on the ice after
@@Clouds-su3dc please look up how big a desalination plant is. If those people found a way to desalinate the amount of water they need to refreeze during the process, they knew how big of a deal that would be and we all knew about it.
They are using salt water, that's for sure. And it's a very dumb idea.
So he’s just going to ignore physics? I’m sure that’ll work out spectacularly.
SALT MELTS ICE!! DUH!!🧂👎🥱
Good luck!
Great. Let's give our next ice age a boost
Thank you in behalf of the artic animals and possible climate control.
We can put coconut fiber and salt on top of the ice sheet while ice forming mean that ice stay for long period of time compare to normal ice
Lol fixing climate change by running more machines. Great plan guys. While you are at it, maybe read up on thermodynamics.😂
Maybe running the pumps to help the arctic is with it in the long run. Just like running machines to make vehicles that pollute less over the life of the vehicle
The ice is melting for a reason rocket scientists.
I know you think you said something smart here, but they clearly said the machines were powered by green hydrogen which doesn’t emit greenhouse gas and is produced through electrolysis of water through renewable electricity
They should people from all around the world for this! It will take a lot of people to accomplish this great feat.
Um.....no?
@PUTINandYOU No, but the DynaCat loved me.
Good invention..can repair the damage in artic .
NOPE!! SALTWATER WILL MELT IT!! DUH!! Maybe if they filter the salt out!!🤔🧂
They are spinning their wheels. The climate is on an unstoppable trajectory to warm and melt all sea ice, and the Greenland ice sheet.
I really hope this works out! But the problem of global warming is about our energy balance being disturbed, the excess heat will probably add to that problem elsewhere on the globe.
This could work, I imagine. The fact is though that we need to get off the oil addiction, and now!
This is something we actually need to stay alive because when that ice melts there’s rlly old viruses In that Ice so if we can refreez that ice we could stop that from happening, just speaking facts
The pumped water will just move heat from below the ice to above the ice. Where there is already ice you may make it thicker but where the ice is aready gone this obviously cannot work. The need is for a larger surface area of ice to reflect the sun's energy back out to space. This idea cannot help that.
My only issue with this is we seen to be messing with a lot of things that nature is trying to do naturally so what happens if we are interfering to much and we aren’t looking to far ahead with what this will do to the planet we may see far worse issues with climate because of the artificial slowdown or even stopping it completely
No it's not . Salt water has to be -2F or below to freeze . Higher salinity levels or salt content water freezes slower.
The earth has an unstoppable cycle of ice, flood, drought and searing heat. Good luck..
First damage, then repair. Humans!
Yeah, I'm sure this won't have any negative consequences down the road. Let's just keep geo-engineering and playing with the worlds weather, nothing bad could ever happen....
Let it play out before you judge. We have been destroying the biosphere and atmosphere for hundreds of years, so geo-engineering will likely need to be part of the solution. It won't just be solar, wind or nuclear.
@@swingersonian I'm guessing that you think blocking the sun, which gives plants and trees life and us oxygen, is a good thing? And I'm not judging, I am predicting. There's never been a geo-engineering experiment that didn't have horrible side effects.
@@mycamguy You can guess or assume anything you want, but it doesn't make it so.
@@swingersonian so you think blocking the sun is a good strategy?
@mycamguy Of course not, stupid. I just now indicated that you are attributing beliefs to me that I do not hold.
Better use glacier melted river water than salt water
So.. it doesn’t pull the cold from the ice below but from the air above?
but the air above is suffering from catastrophic unprecedented extreme temperatures from global warming and the oceans are boiling (apparently UN chief says so ) and all the ice melted over 10 years ago ( source Al Gore) believe the science peoples !!!
Don't WAIT too long, EH??😊
How you going to stop the permafrost from thawing
Who would’ve thought we just needed to add water to water in order to re-freeze our oceans 😂
Is that for real???
What happens to the salt then?
The salt is an agent that helps ice to melt. Normal sea ice has no salt. But if you pump sea water on top of ice and let it freeze, then the salt will be trapped there, and once it is a little warmer, i.e. in the warm season, the ice will melt more easily than it would if it were salt free.
So the end result would be the opposite of what they are trying to do. The minimum extent of ice, in the end of summer, will be smaller.
Would not work. Pumping it from under the ice will leave a void under the ice causing cave ins as the ice gets heavier..
Putting salt water which thaws at a warmer temperature then non salt water on top of a glacier that isn’t salt water ice…. Hrmm what could go wrong? Guess I’m skeptical of this plan.
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I commend the effort, but this will be akin to trying to put out a forest fire with an eye dropper
Good luck Mother Nature gonna let you know if that’s a cool idea or not..
these are the kinds of ideas you get after you slept through all of your STEM classes 🥴😢😮💨 can someone please explain some basic physics and chemistry?
Hold on, are they freezing salt water on top of clean ice ?
Maybe scientists need to figure out how to stop damaging the earth instead of trying to fix it and creating more issues.
Scientists know what types of things need to be done. Politicians and regular people don't care to do the hard work required.
@lukerinderknecht2982 yeah because extreme science can totally be trusted to not do extremely dangerous things.
@@venusvirgofly ?
Energy can't be created or destroyed, just changed format.
I feel like that RULE leads to this not being actually helpful... you actually might be hurting things because the Energy needed to transport the water to the surfave is energy that wasn't being consumed before
Pumping salt water on ice??
Couldn’t they siphon it?
Lol.. s guy shoveling the Arctic.. lol.. so funny
The sun coming close to Earth we humans try our best to protect most things but we can't change the nature
One way to make it happen make it public sell stock's and buyers will buy and do it fast before all the ice is gone.
Won’t the new ice melt though and then the sea levels rise even more
They’re hidding Alies bases ❤
So ridiculous!
Lol.. impossible
molting autic ice that what she sounded like lol
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Nice try
Griftberg ahead!
2027 ???
Better hurry up
“Exactly like a tropical forest” my ass 😂
Since the beginning of the earth it has gone through Ice Ages, Heat and drought, nothing new.
Polar bears will be thrilled with the news. Well done.
Great, a solution in search of a problem.
It seems a much better solution than cutting all co2 emission and thats why we dont see people investing in solutions that actually work.
Wait.... This is dumb. Arctic sea ice is fresh water. Not salt water...you pump salt water ontop of fresh water sea ice. All you are doing is accelerating how quickly it melts in the summer 🤷
You start trying to control everything a bad shit happens.
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so half the ice melted and nothing happened? climate change my azz😂
no you’re not God quit trying to save something that nature intends to melt.
“See this hole of ice, I shall put water in it!”
“See now there is water frozen itsthat’s simple”
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😂 Just think - problem of CO2 in the air make temperature higher and ice get melted, so more water surface is exposed to the cold air..... It should freeze By it self. Good money wasting for all of us / good money making for this company on our stupidity 🤑
Well it seems like a good investment to correct for our stupidity… if this would be the only thing we need to pay for to correct our stupidity, I’ll gladly pay my part of the bill. (But it’s probably not that simple to fully stop climate change)
SALT MELTS ICE!! DUH!!☹️👎
@@candrakane4642 yes. But does that impact this set up?
I mean it’s sea ice, it’s already salt and they don’t mention desalination while pumping it up.
It's arrogant to assume that the ice shouldn't melt. Maybe the planet is going back to the way it should be. Why do we assume because the ice is there right now, it's supposed to stay there? We don't expect the ice that's on the ground in January to still be there in July. Canada used to be under two miles of ice, we're not trying to bring that back now, are we?
That’s not true!
Just leave mother nature alone and stop playing GOD there is no crisis.
The statistics show the earth heating rapidly since industrialisation. Basically we have been playing god ever since we started burning fossil fuels. Time to course correct.
You are a denier. Why ?
They are hoping to test in 2027… when all of the glaciers are gone lol
I wouldn't invest a penny in this.
We need help in other places right now, more important than that
Show me one single case of sea rise because of global warming , start thinking for yourselves