How long of a piece of rope did you use? I know everyone's strid is different. I broke my knee acender a while ago and have been looking for another way to get up the rope quicker with out wearing me out.
I'm not sure the exact measurement, but even a few inches can throw the whole system off. I'd suggest making an adjustable one with a friction hitch. Once you've got a good length figured out for you, you know how long to make a fixed, permanent one.
I saw this on your previous video; and now its my favorite way to rope walk. I use a loop of shock cord that I simply hold in my hand instead of the neck tether. I really like the k.i.s.s. principle!!
I knew this long long ago like around 2000s . I learned almost this exact set up from an coolest Japanese guy. I called him " Krazy climber "😂 he was using sling as chest harness . Even tho, i knew this set ups, i bought myself a knee ascender just to help this industry tho . 😂 Great Video !🎉
The foot lanyard provides a stable position for the free leg while you advance the climbing leg. It is static to the device on the rope. So it's not actually doing any ascending. Excellent videos. 🎉
The device does not ascend during that step, but the body of the climber does. The progress of the body is captured by the next step with the foot ascender, not the device like it would traditionally be captured in a typical ascent system with a knee ascender.
@@FT4Freedom Yes, the neck bungee is a critical component. Something over the shouod could be made to work like the elastic on the petzl knee ascender too I think.
As always looking for different ways to rope walk up into a tree. I think a Foot ascender and a foot loop similar to your setup looks like a nice setup.
I try it a few times. it does work... the "placebo ascender" works as a way of letting your foot rest on a rope to feel that you can step up. even thou you are not necessarily gaining height on the rope. in short I think a knee ascender still has his place and provides a more efficient way to go up. ALSO GREAT TO KNOW THIS as a less equip option
If you set it up right, you can gain height on the rope. It does take a bit of work to get it tuned to perfection. It also depends on what device you use. The akimbo has the least amount of set back out of the devices I have. Your right though, it's not as efficient as a knee ascender.
25% less gear ⚙️ wo the knee ascender! TY very much for the link in your old video to this one. It turns out I get the new improved version description! Would this system work with a rope wrench or just the Rope Runner Pro? John in Phoenix
No problem! I would expect it to worl with the RRP. This system does depend on the device having minimal upward drag and little set back. I think those two things might make it difficult to use a rope wrench and hitch, but you could try 🤷♂️
@zaccheus sorry last comment, probably. So I'm new to climbing/ have only ever climbed on a closed system MRT, clove hitched to my biner, and Blake hitched to the standing rope. It works bc it's ez to retrieve my climbing line since the end of the rope is always with in reach. My question is if I switch to SRT, how do you generally retrieve your climbing rope from the ground, and are all these fancy rope wrenches, zigzag, RRP, Akimbo mostly there for taking weight off the friction hitch otw down so it doesn't lock up? If that's the case, why not climb up without them, still using your preferred ascenders, of course, then swith to MRT after ur anchored in @ the top so you have only ½ your weight on the friction hitch so it never locks and the added benefit of being able to retrieve your climbing line from the ground. Honest question from someone who's only ever used prusicks to climb SRT
@imaphxaznative haha not a problem, leave as many comments as you want! I'm always happy to offer any help I can. I have a video on basic SRT anchors and it covers the answer to that question as I recall. ua-cam.com/video/4yjbVgiqZsg/v-deo.html The rope wrench is designed to less the load on the prusik, but some of those other devices you mentioned are made to be used without a prusik. They can generate enough friction on the rope to support a person. I've heard some folks ascend SRT and then switch over to DRT to work the rest of the tree. The benefit that everyone references is that it's easier to limb walk with the mechanical advantage of DRT. If you ascend this way, it's just super important to make sure you have a method of progress capture that is rated for life support. I prefer to work the whole tree with srt because it allows me to move around faster even if I'm only taking a few steps. Everyone has their own preference, though, and that is the beautiful thing about tree work.
ua-cam.com/video/LsNr_FOlKok/v-deo.html. Here's my attempt to video rope walking with a Unicender, Notch Jet Step foot ascender and adjustable foot loop. I need to figure out a better camera setup or get someone to run the camera. Anyway, I really like having a quick-adjust foot loop, and this style of rope walking works well with the Unicender.
Thanx Zach. Looks easy enough but a couple of ? if you would be so kind. How tall are you and how long is the finished length of the tied rope foot loop? How did you decide it was the right length?
I'm 5' 11" or so, and I have no idea what length the foot lanyard is. The best way to find out what length you like is to make an adjustable lanyard with a taughtline or similar knot. That was it's easy to make it linger or short as you try it.
im using a Rope Man 2 in place of a knee ascender with paracord doubled and looped around my lead foot and hand. its kinda awk, but def less so than a “noose tender”! hah. get a notch chest rig if not a diy wrist loop.
Get the monkey beaver suspenders I’ve been rocking them for two years now. Well worth the investment. Not only does it help with SRS but when you got a tote a lot of gear up or have a big saw on your hip negative rigging once you have those suspenders, you won’t even feel it
@@zaccheus could you explain to me why not if you just got rid of the neck tether and use the suspenders connection point at the chest? Just curious. Love the Content
@robbob_the_climber glad to hear you love it! Just like the elastic on a knee ascender advances the the ascender, the elastic I the neck tether advances the climbing device. The MB suspenders' chest attachment point is fixed and not elastic.
It should work in an srt Configuration with the chicane. I have a video of it here. I don't think it will work well in DRT, but I've never tried. ua-cam.com/video/0nS9dLllZ1k/v-deo.html
Great setup! I like how easy it was to release the “knee ascender” i usually end up fighting mine off then im left with it dangling from my boot, very annoying. Might give this a try!
Haha, I use this system all the time up in the tree if I need to ascend a little or a lot. It's just so easy to whip out or store. It does lack the efficiency a knee ascender has, but it can be close with enough fine tuning.
@@zaccheus I also like the foot ascender on your spur, i have to ask have you ever ended up spiking into your other leg/ foot with it? I feel like that could be a painful possibility
@stephencentola I've never had that problem, but I don't exactly rave uo the rope. I probably wouldn't take that setup to a competition 😅 I do find it super handy though. It's more comfortable and has more support than a foot ascender and it's there all day so I can use it through out the tree if I want to ascende on the rope or on a second climbing rope or whatever.
ua-cam.com/video/LsNr_FOlKok/v-deo.html I like having an adjustable foot loop so I can more easily connect/disconnect at my leisure. I also mounted both a Kiwi Klimber and a Notch Jet Step ascender to my Klein spurs. The Kiwi is easier to mount...just have to drill and tap a couple 1/4" or 5/16" holes. I made a video today. It isn't a great video but it gets the point across.
I already own a knee ascender but this looks like a very effective way to save almost $200 for the rest of the guys I’m trying to get set up for easier ascent into the tops. I’ll definitely have to play around with this idea. Thanks, oh and I love my monkey beaver suspenders, has the tether and safety whistle built into it and only $100, helps when you need to have a big saws hanging from your belt too.
@@zaccheus I ordered mine online and it didn’t take but about week to get. You can get it with a single or duel hook up in the back mine is a single for the treemotion
@532woodchuck I gotcha, I'm not sure which would suit my treerex best. I'm thinking about getting the weaver suspenders. They're made 30 or 40 miles from me and the local shop has them. They also come with a hydration pack option which i can't decide of it really want or not.
@@zaccheus humm, I’d love the water there but I wonder if it would get hot on my back? I’ve never wore a hydration pack but could only imagine a small back pack. I used to work at an automotive shop and they had these shirts with a solid screen print right in the middle of your back about 8” and that spot would get so hot to me. I have a small petzl bag I keep my spare go pro batteries, vapor, water, carb screw driver and a nearly used up roll of electric tape in there. Also I have a elastic cord tied from one spot to another on the back of my belly that will hold a bottle pretty well, i have had them fall out of i get too aggressive in brush.
@@zaccheus he uses the onyx new tribe and neck tether with saka.think hecswictched tethers last I talked to him.on video he did on hitchhiker x new one might get it like hitch cord very much got some from arbsession it's awesome. Just started learning this new akimbo on bluemoon realy like it ..over all devices I've tried. It's best so far for me at 160 pounds .have all the others dint care much for there Jerky.ness
@Sethhaun78 I'd be interested in watching a video of his if he has one featuring his neck tether. I'm suprised to hear you like the akimbo on blue moon. I tried it and it wasn't for me. Blue moon just seems to flatten so bad. I guess all ropes flatten to some degree though. I'm right there with you at 155 in the summer and I've found the akimbo to be super smooth on xstatic. Do you have yours adjusted so that the top doesn't hit the bottom for descent?
@@gibbyrockerhunter You're right it's not the same. I've caught my shirt on things way more than I've caught my neck lanyard on. If you're scared, you don't have to try it. You'll just never know what you're missing out on.
@@zaccheus you said yourself you “are looking to integrate it into some sort of suspenders or something.” Thats nothing new dude. I know you feel like you know your stuff, but its pretty easy to tell you are still kinda green. I wasn’t trying to offend you. You will probably understand in a few years if you keep at it. But you are right. Ill just miss out.
@gibbyrockerhunter Quite the contrary, I recognize there is way more out there to be discovered and that's why I'm willing to try new stuff. I've never seen anyone else using an elastic neck lanyard. I've also never seen anyone else rope walking without a knee ascender. If you know of folks who have, please share as I would like to give them the appropriate credit.
I have old school Klein spurs but I have mounted both Kiwi and Notch Jet Step foot ascenders. ua-cam.com/video/eaTdC4nS7NE/v-deo.htmlsi=PZTdgTXXDt_WSF9y
Why isnt everybody doing this?! Thechnically with each step in the rope runner you lose a bit of height until the device is fully grabbing, but… in practice this looks neglectable. With my TAZ LOV2 its really gonna work, because the LOV2 must practically rotate 180 degrees to fully engage. Would you say this works just as good with an akimbo?
I dunno man, I don't think I'll ever use a knee ascender for anything other than competition 🤷♂️ It worls a little better with the akimbo in some ways amd in other not as great. Akimbo has a little more drap when advanced on the rope, but I thinknit is a little less set back when it's loaded. I'm satisfied to use ther system with either device
@@zaccheusdo you see any other way than using a neck tether for this? Do you think a normal chest harness setup where the rope runner / akimbo is connected via bungee is enough to pull it up?
@@reneeschke I don't think there would be enough length to use elastic between a chest harness and the device. Might be able to do something over the shouod kinda how petzl's knee ascender is set up 🤷♂️
@reneeschke A knee ascender would be more efficient and there for faster for ascent. The international climbing competitions have a rope ascent event and people are wicked fast. One fella I spoke to said his 50ft time was 10 or 12 seconds, I can't remember for sure.
How long of a piece of rope did you use? I know everyone's strid is different. I broke my knee acender a while ago and have been looking for another way to get up the rope quicker with out wearing me out.
I'm not sure the exact measurement, but even a few inches can throw the whole system off. I'd suggest making an adjustable one with a friction hitch. Once you've got a good length figured out for you, you know how long to make a fixed, permanent one.
Ok, I got to watch this like 10 times.
Love watching for all the little tips and tricks you provide.
Thanks, I just like to share what I'm learning myself
Excellent!!!!!!!!🇨🇦🇺🇸
I saw this on your previous video; and now its my favorite way to rope walk. I use a loop of shock cord that I simply hold in my hand instead of the neck tether. I really like the k.i.s.s. principle!!
That would be an excellent alternative to a neck tether! I might have to try that myself!
hell ya i find the knee asender helpful for longer ascents but stick to what ur doing for most, nice and simple, great vid!!
Thanks for the tip 🎉
Teach bro! You are already a legend! Zaccheus!
Haha thanks Bob, that's mighty kind of you to say 😊
I knew this long long ago like around 2000s . I learned almost this exact set up from an coolest Japanese guy. I called him " Krazy climber "😂 he was using sling as chest harness . Even tho, i knew this set ups, i bought myself a knee ascender just to help this industry tho . 😂 Great Video !🎉
Like that alot ..hard to get knee sender set rite still learning srt
I've never really even used one. I tried it once, decided it wasn't for me 🤷♂️
The foot lanyard provides a stable position for the free leg while you advance the climbing leg. It is static to the device on the rope. So it's not actually doing any ascending. Excellent videos. 🎉
The device does not ascend during that step, but the body of the climber does. The progress of the body is captured by the next step with the foot ascender, not the device like it would traditionally be captured in a typical ascent system with a knee ascender.
@@zaccheus yes. I am following you. I definitely need a bungee necklace. The chest harness doesn't allow upward motion against the footloop.
@@FT4Freedom Yes, the neck bungee is a critical component. Something over the shouod could be made to work like the elastic on the petzl knee ascender too I think.
As always looking for different ways to rope walk up into a tree. I think a Foot ascender and a foot loop similar to your setup looks like a nice setup.
Thanks, it's not perfect but it wprls well enough for me to leave the knee ascenser at home 🤷♂️
I try it a few times. it does work... the "placebo ascender" works as a way of letting your foot rest on a rope to feel that you can step up. even thou you are not necessarily gaining height on the rope. in short I think a knee ascender still has his place and provides a more efficient way to go up. ALSO GREAT TO KNOW THIS as a less equip option
If you set it up right, you can gain height on the rope. It does take a bit of work to get it tuned to perfection. It also depends on what device you use. The akimbo has the least amount of set back out of the devices I have. Your right though, it's not as efficient as a knee ascender.
thanks for the video Zac
No problem! Stay safe out there!
Slick!
Thanks Kevin!
It makes sense to utilise the main climbing device instead of adding one extra
Thanks!
25% less gear ⚙️ wo the knee ascender! TY very much for the link in your old video to this one. It turns out I get the new improved version description! Would this system work with a rope wrench or just the Rope Runner Pro? John in Phoenix
No problem! I would expect it to worl with the RRP. This system does depend on the device having minimal upward drag and little set back. I think those two things might make it difficult to use a rope wrench and hitch, but you could try 🤷♂️
@zaccheus sorry last comment, probably. So I'm new to climbing/ have only ever climbed on a closed system MRT, clove hitched to my biner, and Blake hitched to the standing rope. It works bc it's ez to retrieve my climbing line since the end of the rope is always with in reach. My question is if I switch to SRT, how do you generally retrieve your climbing rope from the ground, and are all these fancy rope wrenches, zigzag, RRP, Akimbo mostly there for taking weight off the friction hitch otw down so it doesn't lock up? If that's the case, why not climb up without them, still using your preferred ascenders, of course, then swith to MRT after ur anchored in @ the top so you have only ½ your weight on the friction hitch so it never locks and the added benefit of being able to retrieve your climbing line from the ground. Honest question from someone who's only ever used prusicks to climb SRT
@imaphxaznative haha not a problem, leave as many comments as you want! I'm always happy to offer any help I can.
I have a video on basic SRT anchors and it covers the answer to that question as I recall. ua-cam.com/video/4yjbVgiqZsg/v-deo.html
The rope wrench is designed to less the load on the prusik, but some of those other devices you mentioned are made to be used without a prusik. They can generate enough friction on the rope to support a person.
I've heard some folks ascend SRT and then switch over to DRT to work the rest of the tree. The benefit that everyone references is that it's easier to limb walk with the mechanical advantage of DRT. If you ascend this way, it's just super important to make sure you have a method of progress capture that is rated for life support. I prefer to work the whole tree with srt because it allows me to move around faster even if I'm only taking a few steps. Everyone has their own preference, though, and that is the beautiful thing about tree work.
ua-cam.com/video/LsNr_FOlKok/v-deo.html.
Here's my attempt to video rope walking with a Unicender, Notch Jet Step foot ascender and adjustable foot loop. I need to figure out a better camera setup or get someone to run the camera. Anyway, I really like having a quick-adjust foot loop, and this style of rope walking works well with the Unicender.
Thanx Zach. Looks easy enough but a couple of ? if you would be so kind. How tall are you and how long is the finished length of the tied rope foot loop? How did you decide it was the right length?
I'm 5' 11" or so, and I have no idea what length the foot lanyard is. The best way to find out what length you like is to make an adjustable lanyard with a taughtline or similar knot. That was it's easy to make it linger or short as you try it.
Neck tether is just fine. Very low probability of it ever becoming a problem.
That's my perspective on it too. If you use an akimbo (my favorite device) it automatically unhooks if you lay back into it.
im using a Rope Man 2 in place of a knee ascender with paracord doubled and looped around my lead foot and hand. its kinda awk, but def less so than a “noose tender”! hah. get a notch chest rig if not a diy wrist loop.
Lol, it's no more a noose than your shirt is
Get the monkey beaver suspenders I’ve been rocking them for two years now. Well worth the investment.
Not only does it help with SRS but when you got a tote a lot of gear up or have a big saw on your hip negative rigging once you have those suspenders, you won’t even feel it
I've heard they are the best. But they won't work with this system.
@@zaccheus could you explain to me why not if you just got rid of the neck tether and use the suspenders connection point at the chest? Just curious.
Love the Content
@robbob_the_climber glad to hear you love it!
Just like the elastic on a knee ascender advances the the ascender, the elastic I the neck tether advances the climbing device. The MB suspenders' chest attachment point is fixed and not elastic.
@@zaccheus Thanks for clearing that up now it totally makes sense.
Nice 😊 cheers 🤠👌👌💪💯🤙
Thanks Leonard!
@@zaccheus 🤠👌👌💪🤙👍😁
Would this work with zigzag plus? As I'd like to try this
It should work in an srt Configuration with the chicane. I have a video of it here. I don't think it will work well in DRT, but I've never tried. ua-cam.com/video/0nS9dLllZ1k/v-deo.html
Great setup! I like how easy it was to release the “knee ascender” i usually end up fighting mine off then im left with it dangling from my boot, very annoying. Might give this a try!
Haha, I use this system all the time up in the tree if I need to ascend a little or a lot. It's just so easy to whip out or store. It does lack the efficiency a knee ascender has, but it can be close with enough fine tuning.
@@zaccheus I also like the foot ascender on your spur, i have to ask have you ever ended up spiking into your other leg/ foot with it? I feel like that could be a painful possibility
@stephencentola I've never had that problem, but I don't exactly rave uo the rope. I probably wouldn't take that setup to a competition 😅
I do find it super handy though. It's more comfortable and has more support than a foot ascender and it's there all day so I can use it through out the tree if I want to ascende on the rope or on a second climbing rope or whatever.
@@zaccheus 🤣🤣🤣
ua-cam.com/video/LsNr_FOlKok/v-deo.html
I like having an adjustable foot loop so I can more easily connect/disconnect at my leisure. I also mounted both a Kiwi Klimber and a Notch Jet Step ascender to my Klein spurs. The Kiwi is easier to mount...just have to drill and tap a couple 1/4" or 5/16" holes. I made a video today. It isn't a great video but it gets the point across.
Immediate sub 🎉
Thanks! I have another video of the same thing on a zigzag set up is you'd like to see it. Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/0nS9dLllZ1k/v-deo.html
I already own a knee ascender but this looks like a very effective way to save almost $200 for the rest of the guys I’m trying to get set up for easier ascent into the tops. I’ll definitely have to play around with this idea. Thanks, oh and I love my monkey beaver suspenders, has the tether and safety whistle built into it and only $100, helps when you need to have a big saws hanging from your belt too.
I've heard they are the best, just wish they had local dealers 🤷♂️
@@zaccheus I ordered mine online and it didn’t take but about week to get. You can get it with a single or duel hook up in the back mine is a single for the treemotion
@532woodchuck I gotcha, I'm not sure which would suit my treerex best. I'm thinking about getting the weaver suspenders. They're made 30 or 40 miles from me and the local shop has them. They also come with a hydration pack option which i can't decide of it really want or not.
@@zaccheus humm, I’d love the water there but I wonder if it would get hot on my back? I’ve never wore a hydration pack but could only imagine a small back pack. I used to work at an automotive shop and they had these shirts with a solid screen print right in the middle of your back about 8” and that spot would get so hot to me. I have a small petzl bag I keep my spare go pro batteries, vapor, water, carb screw driver and a nearly used up roll of electric tape in there. Also I have a elastic cord tied from one spot to another on the back of my belly that will hold a bottle pretty well, i have had them fall out of i get too aggressive in brush.
@@532woodchuck I've wondered the same thing. I also wonder how fast the water would warm up 🤷♂️ its a bear idea either way.
Richard Mumford uses same kinda neck tether....
Elastic or static?
@@zaccheus elastic I believe..?!
@@zaccheus he uses the onyx new tribe and neck tether with saka.think hecswictched tethers last I talked to him.on video he did on hitchhiker x new one might get it like hitch cord very much got some from arbsession it's awesome. Just started learning this new akimbo on bluemoon realy like it ..over all devices I've tried. It's best so far for me at 160 pounds .have all the others dint care much for there Jerky.ness
@Sethhaun78 I'd be interested in watching a video of his if he has one featuring his neck tether. I'm suprised to hear you like the akimbo on blue moon. I tried it and it wasn't for me. Blue moon just seems to flatten so bad. I guess all ropes flatten to some degree though. I'm right there with you at 155 in the summer and I've found the akimbo to be super smooth on xstatic. Do you have yours adjusted so that the top doesn't hit the bottom for descent?
Sorry Zac, just to make it clear, does left leg connected to any device?
One has foot-ascender other foot is with rope connected to main ascend-device
My left foot is connected to my rope runner by a little lanyard
Man that noose scares me. Ill stick with my chest hook
Probably shouldn't wear a shirt either then. That goes around your neck, too.
@@zaccheus lmao. Yeah, because that is totally the same...
But I do hate shirts that pull at the neck as well.
@@gibbyrockerhunter You're right it's not the same. I've caught my shirt on things way more than I've caught my neck lanyard on. If you're scared, you don't have to try it. You'll just never know what you're missing out on.
@@zaccheus you said yourself you “are looking to integrate it into some sort of suspenders or something.”
Thats nothing new dude. I know you feel like you know your stuff, but its pretty easy to tell you are still kinda green. I wasn’t trying to offend you. You will probably understand in a few years if you keep at it.
But you are right. Ill just miss out.
@gibbyrockerhunter Quite the contrary, I recognize there is way more out there to be discovered and that's why I'm willing to try new stuff.
I've never seen anyone else using an elastic neck lanyard. I've also never seen anyone else rope walking without a knee ascender. If you know of folks who have, please share as I would like to give them the appropriate credit.
How did you mount your foot accender to your gaffs like that?
Edelrid offers an ascender thay they made specifically to mount to the spurs which is part of why I got them. It just bolts under the gaff.
I have old school Klein spurs but I have mounted both Kiwi and Notch Jet Step foot ascenders. ua-cam.com/video/eaTdC4nS7NE/v-deo.htmlsi=PZTdgTXXDt_WSF9y
i am scare to fall down
The fear of heights is a real thing
Why isnt everybody doing this?! Thechnically with each step in the rope runner you lose a bit of height until the device is fully grabbing, but… in practice this looks neglectable. With my TAZ LOV2 its really gonna work, because the LOV2 must practically rotate 180 degrees to fully engage.
Would you say this works just as good with an akimbo?
I dunno man, I don't think I'll ever use a knee ascender for anything other than competition 🤷♂️
It worls a little better with the akimbo in some ways amd in other not as great. Akimbo has a little more drap when advanced on the rope, but I thinknit is a little less set back when it's loaded. I'm satisfied to use ther system with either device
@@zaccheusdo you see any other way than using a neck tether for this? Do you think a normal chest harness setup where the rope runner / akimbo is connected via bungee is enough to pull it up?
@@zaccheusWhy is a knee ascender preferable in competition? (Whats this competiton even look like? I guess its about speed there?)
@@reneeschke I don't think there would be enough length to use elastic between a chest harness and the device. Might be able to do something over the shouod kinda how petzl's knee ascender is set up 🤷♂️
@reneeschke A knee ascender would be more efficient and there for faster for ascent. The international climbing competitions have a rope ascent event and people are wicked fast. One fella I spoke to said his 50ft time was 10 or 12 seconds, I can't remember for sure.
I have monkey beaver suspenders but it's not in right spot to help realy I'm shorter .
lol couldn’t have dreamed up something any dumber
Lol I don't think you dream at all.