i want more of these comments and less of the ones saying it’s not ethan’s job to manage her or not push her over the edge. he’s choosing to stick around and be a better friend to her
Not to mention he'll say anything he needs to say to her face and always listen to what she says in return instead of denying her feelings and shutting her down. I think these are the first people she's had in her life in awhile she can't sway with gifts and spotlight and it's going to be a long road to accept these people like her for herself and aren't using her. These are not going to be her most comfortable friendships, but I think they will be her realest and I hope she keeps them all in her life.
Yes. He needs to step the heck up and tell them both to cut it out. He needs to tell Trisha to stop saying stuff like that, first off if he is telling her that stuff in private, she needs to keep it in private. And he needs to tell them to stop talking about Trisha on their podcast. Simple as that.
@@g3n3ssy its just a joke. Ethan said trisha was driving a wedge between hila’s family and dr drew said no, you’re allowing a wedge to be driven.... bruh
I agree my therapy for bpd was all about learning to hold myself accountable and learning to cope so it doesnt become the other persons responsibility to manage my emotions and it really bothered me how he kept telling ethan it was his fault for reacting to her. I know he isnt actually their dr or therapist but it seems like he just didnt want to upset Trisha by being honest or holding her accountable. And honestly knowing they had a whole video to get through i cant really blame him given the delicate the situation
for real it’s literally so unfair how dr drew tries to “help” the situation or whatever but immediately sides with trisha and basically says that she gets a pass for doing things that cause problems just because it’s “just what she does” like
As a licensed therapist, I am so aggravated. Dr. Drew is a joke just like Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew specializes in substance use, he should not be holding these sessions with them
Hes such a joke, he oddly has to assert his dominance and bully men who are more in tuned with their emotions like ethan and bobby lee (hes just as unbearable when talking to bobby lee)
He's a huge quack... any licensed therapist would never put all the blame of someone else's outbursts on a secondary person. Also thank you for saying Dr. Phil too, he hasnt had a valid license in a very long while.
I thought he did pretty good with this mess. You must be a trish hater......because someone actually backed her up......he was bad at his job??? Pathetic and predictably lame. Ethan DOES nag and push constantly its annoying.
Yikes where did you get your licensing and where do you practice? Bc I’d like to avoid you at all cost. A specialization does not mean you cannot provide other types of therapy. I’d think you would’ve learned that in your schooling?
‘I’m never going to abandon you’ , is probably the nicest thing he could have ever said to her. I think this friendship/ family is actually good for them both. They’re learning a lot about themselves through it all and I hope they stay friends 🤗
@@schnooleheletteletto Hey now. Dont speak for all people with bpd or mental problems thats really insensitive and condescending. If someone is willing to put in the effort and prove that they are not their mental illness then they are capable of maintaining any type of relationship. These types of comments can be hurtful to those affected by mental problems.
@@schnooleheletteletto I feel like everyone with a mental illness has the ability to learn ways of coping and maintain relationships. And it’s important to encourage them too and not just assume they’ll mess up. Everyone deserves a chance.
@@h.8691 I agree , it’s not fair to label everyone the same way or put anyone in a box. If someone had a physical injury they wouldn’t be spoken about that way
It's not Ethan's job to keep trisha from disassociating. Dr. Drew is honestly putting too much responsibility onto Ethan and is basically telling him to let trisha do and say whatever she wants
Watching this 10 months later, wow. Dr. Drew completely blows off Ethan from the start, in the beginning he said “well that’s not even important” what? A brother and sister are being wedged apart due to Trishas actions and his PROFESSIONAL advice is to”relax and let it happen” WHAT
he was so condescending from the beginning and biased towards ethan. i remember watching this when it first aired and being pissed at all of "Dr" drews takes. everything he says is ethan has to deal with trisha cause she has special behavior that invalidates anything ethan is going through or dealing with.
Dr. Drew makes it out like it’s “Ethan’s job to contain Trisha” …. No sir. Ethan’s feelings are valid and Trisha is responsible for her own emotions and lashing out.
@@rachael_thrasher this is exactly what I think too! Dr Drew realizes how severely fucked up Trisha is and sees that Ethan is incredibly well-adjusted in comparison. It’s probably not great that he basically dismisses Ethan’s problems just because Trisha’s are worse, but I feel like on a podcast we shouldn’t expect like a real therapy session. I feel like Trisha SHOULD be treated as a case study that Ethan signs up to deal with (or not, which obviously he decided not to deal with it ultimately)
I agree. Just because she has special issues doesn’t just invalidate his feelings and needs . There should be a boundary, she is capable of understanding the illness, all the way to using it as an excuse. She could be dealing with it better some of the stuff is just out of hand and the fact she gets to come back and not take this serious, she’s laughing throughout the whole video in parts , she should realize how she acts is really a problem and needs to take this more seriously.
I mean he’s not wrong. Hila and Moses are grown ass adults and they need to work out what ever weird relationship thing they are going through and stop using Trisha. I mean Moses tells Trisha he hates his family and Hila tells Ethan to tell Trisha not to talk about her or her family. None of these people are actually talking to the person they should be and working it out amongst them. I mean god damn these are actual adults
Yep that might have come across as rude but Dr. Drew understood the situation going on without having to know the extra tiny bit of info ethan felt like he needed to add to defend Hila.
I’m rewatching episodes now and why is no one questioning Moses? Because he’s the common denominator in all this. He is telling Trisha one thing and then Hila another. Trisha wasn’t driving a wedge, she is just saying information that is being told to her by Moses. It seemed like Moses was acting differently with Trisha and his family. In summary, Moses was definitely the issue and the person driving the wedge between everyone.
Next time I hope they don’t have a massive fight before he comes. Later in episode he told Trisha danger of mixing two meds he felt she took too close together. It’s his expertise on addictive medicine. He not a therapist the episode makes him look bad
No. He's keeping stuff from Trisha because it's his right to do so but also because he knows she's not the problem so why burden her. His private relationship with Trisha is not part of the working relationship with Ethan.. It's up to Ethan and Trisha to make their working relationship, work. Ethan should've made that working boundary very clear much sooner. He has more information and control over the working situation so he has to take responsibility for that.
@COVID i agree. People are reading into this so much, which I personally think reflects on the audience more than the performance. Really, we should be concerned about the level of manipulation that advertisers and creators have reached. This all seems like a lucrative exploit of character, and I think we all know they are aware of it. People with cluster B personality traits either get help or they do not.
@COVID The root of the problem is what's going on between Moses, Hila and their family. It needs to stay separate from the podcast in every way. You assume Trisha is what's causing the problems but that's not the case. There could be lots about Moses and his life that their family don't approve of rather than his latest gf. Ethan has even stated it's not Trisha. If Moses is not taking calls or answering texts from family that's his choice. If they're arguing it's not surprising to me. Moses still considers himself Israeli but not Jewish. That could easily be the reason they're arguing. Or his choice of career. Or him coming to live in the US. So many possibilities. But, Hila saying she thinks it's Trisha somehow preventing him from communicating is an extremely provocative thing to say to anyone, let alone Trisha! Trisha's paranoia is what's escalated things no doubt. BUT. Ethan has assumed Trisha's boundaries would be the same as his, he should've known they wouldn't be. Ethan knew far more about Trisha than Moses did, when they started the dating game way back. Boundaries should've been set from the beginning of the podcast if not earlier given the romantic status going on and, all of this wouldn't have happened. If Moses tells Trisha exactly what's going on between him, Hila and their family it would only be a matter of time before she blurted. Which is exactly what none of them want, Trisha included. Part of being involved with Trisha is managing her well documented mental health problems. She accepts that. She overshares, they knew that about her. If Ethan wants to do business with her he has to accept that about her. It's not about fault, it's about reality and practical solutions. Until and if Trisha works through her problems and can control or manage them better herself, it's likely she will blow up again. She needs time and support and guidance. It's obvious. Which is why Ethan said he would never abandon her. He's realising the power he has to help her or hurt her. Trisha has to learn to trust him with that power. You don't like it but the fact is Trisha is the victim. She needs people she can trust around her in order to learn normalcy. To set her straight when she needs it and be supportive when she needs it. But it has to be done with compassion. No anger or aggression. Trisha doesn't even know what all of her triggers are yet because there's so much of her past she doesn't remember. She doesn't understand why she does the things she does yet. She's in the very early stages of her mental health recovery journey. During the course of this podcast Ethan has been shocked to hear some of her life experiences. How matter of fact she is about them. She is so emotionally dissociated there's no wonder she behaves the way she does. She's hypervigilant. Constantly on guard. Anyway, that's the situation as I see it. I have personal experience of being around someone with BPD/DID. She's not a villain and neither is anyone else. There just HAS to be boundaries for everyone's sake.
I have bpd also and the biggest part of my treatment has been taking responsibility for MY actions, not putting blame on other people's reactions to me!! And medication lol. Trisha will never get better if she doesnt take some damn responsibility and not verbally abuse people. @hogkan
@@chowtime91 the time stamp is 1:41:30 but last week i think trisha said its too much that he wears teddy fresh every week so he remembered this week not to
@@chowtime91 the episode before Trisha asks Ethan to not wear Teddy Fresh in the next episode. However, it wasn't a huge part of the episode and he was thoughtful enough to remember and not do it.
ethan is allowed to get annoyed, especially when she’s coming for his family. the expectation that he always has to stay calm and deal with her insanity is impossible to uphold
He stayed WAY more calm than others..including myself. She threw some really low blows..anything bout family and parenting are. Especially calling his spouse every name in the book. I can see how he may have prolonged it but otherwise he took it well.
this dr is a fraud, he has done zero research on trisha and he has not even watched the episode to see how things played out, trisha has used the excuse of mental illness literally every single thing you can think of and always falls back on it every time she crosses a line, why does she keep getting a free pass when she shows the same repeated bad behavior with no growth or change
Man, doing a rewatch of this series and I forgot what an absolute joke of a professional Dr. Drew is. Had to do some homework on him to see how genuinely toxic and unhelpful he is to people in this situations. Much love to Ethan
I have literally never commented on UA-cam before, but this pissed me off so much. Dr. Drew is not a licensed counselor or therapist. He is a drug and addiction specialist. He works in medicine for people detoxing, not psychology or therapy. His degrees are in biology and medicine. He has no qualification for acting like he is an authority on mental illness, relationships, or anything having to do with psychology that is not drug or addiction related. To make matters worse, he is a creep. I had to stop reading his book because he kept complaining about how he couldn't stop being sexually attracted to one of his rehab patients. Gross. I hope they see someone qualified next time so they can BOTH feel valid in their emotions. I also hope Dr. Drew stops pretending to be a psychologist.
@Lynn V. bruhh thats weird as F. But i do have to say, last episode and the things he was saying on Trishas behavior were very correct, as I have been going through the same illness (is that what I should call it in english?) and have also been seeking therapy a lot. I have to admit my therapist is a GREAT and VERT experienced licensed therapist and He has helped me in extreme amount. So idk. Drew might not be licensed, but he do know lots of accurate stuff... (?)
I agree. So many of his speaking points in both episodes have been completely wrong. + he kept shutting Ethan down when he had valid complaints abt Trisha's behavior. Maybe he's siding with Trish so much because he's biased & attracted to her like his former patient. he's literally victim blaming Ethan for daring to react to Trisha provoking and insulting him.
God, I love you for commenting on that. Just 9 minutes in he is already cutting Ethan off in his recap of what went down, and saying what he added wasn't important. I'm not a therapist but my dad is a psychiatrist, my mom a psychologyst and I've been to therapy a total of around 8 years with psychoanalysts. As I said before, even 9 minutes in he's already showing a weighted opinion towards Trisha and not giving Ethan the chance to open up about his feelings and perception of the situtation. It makes me so mad that they regard any of his actions as something a mental health professional would do
@@annie.phoenix Agreed! I have been in therapy since I was young, my dad is a psychologist, and I am getting my masters in clinical mental health counseling. So I'm not an expert, but counseling practice is important to me. Forget therapy, even on a human level he is doing a disservice to Ethan because he is showing him no compassion.
Dr. Drew barely interrupts Trish but as soon as Ethan begins speaking he gets cut off immediately and can’t get a word in edgewise. Dr. Drew basically told Ethan to shut up without literally saying it.
@@cady__ he should (as a doctor) help Trisha and Ethan both. How was he supposed to help Trish without helping (and listening to) Ethan as well , since they are supposed to coexist for the show. There is always two sides to a story. Trisha and Ethan should both have been listened to as far as what every “therapy” they were doing to help Trish.He shouldn’t have told Ethan that what he was saying was not important or not needed what he should’ve done was told Ethan how he could de-escalate a situation with Trish to keep her calm and how to help himself from saying things that might trigger her.
@@dakotajones2799he said at the beginning he wasn’t acting as their doctor - Ethan didn’t ask him to do that either - he asked him on as to have an informational episode to help him, and dr drew did that. He explained BPD, and said that those things aren’t important to someone with BPD because A, B, C. He didn’t say ethan’s feelings weren’t important, he never once said anything like that - he said in trish’s mind this is how things go and she literally doesn’t care if you make a logical list, she goes into wrath and Goes off. He also didn’t excuse what Trish said either, what she did was wrong and everyone agreed on that at different point of the show. He just tried to explain her mind. The fact that you’re obsessing over the words “that’s not important” and taking them so literal without listening to the whole conversation is your thing - but that’s not what Dr Drew meant, and they all discussed that in other points of the episode too. later on when they did the test Dr Drew mentions that he was worried about Ethan specifically with having boundaries because he doesn’t want him to get hurt. He obviously expressed multiple times in the episode he cares that they both are okay. Ethan said he knows what he meant and he also knows what he pre-planned with everyone, and the arc he wanted for the episode. Stop making one person a scapegoat in a situation when Ethan also literally had her do a personality test to prove all this shit about her and say see she’s a narcissist, and know he’s gonna get a better score. I like Ethan, and he’s funny but let’s not pretend he’s a saint when he’s the one who planned the whole episode to go this way.
@@cady__ I won’t argue with you any more your obviously not willing to notice the fact that Dr Drew isn’t very professional at all (and in fact he did say and I quote “That’s actually not important” you must’ve just missed what he said after that because your too busy brown-nosing him.)He literally said nothing and went on talking to Trisha.
@@cady__ To continue I never once said Ethan was a saint or a scapegoat. I never even insinuated that so before you put words into my mouth maybe you should go back an re-read thx luv.☺️
16:52 dr drews aggression towards ethan is so unprofessional. he acts like ethan is supposed to be a professional dealing with bpd and is responsible if she has a meltdown. hes also is a human and is 100% allowed to be upset at someone creating a wedge in his relationships. which ethan was handling so well and gets no credit for it
Dr Drew saying "that's actually not important" when Ethan was trying to express his point & then Trisha laughing at that comment, made me sus of Drew. Clearly feeding Trish's ego. Probably bc he wants her on his show to exploit her. Putting all the responsibility of balancing emotion on Ethan is outrageous. Trish needs to be responsible for what comes out of her mouth.
Both times he came on the podcast he sided with Trisha almost exclusively. Kinda hard to listen to drew continuously disrespect Ethan and act like a professional at the same time
When “dr drew” said “yea yea” in response to Ethan’s “you gotta watch the clip” that’s so unprofessional! Why tf didn’t he do his research? She’s so good at playing the victim to people who don’t know the full situation my god
What kind of licenced Doctor/Therapist says "Just relax" to their patient? Ethan could not be any more calm, patient and reasonable. Dr drew is a joke.
Also I feel like Dr drew doesn't look at the full scope of things and expects Ethan to be inhumanly understanding just because he has better mental health i saw this last time it still hurts to be put down when your the healthier person.
I agree. It felt like Dr. Drew sided with Trisha from the get go. He didn't even empathize with Ethan. It's not Ethan's job to manage Trisha's disorder and completely turn himself off as a human. Ethan doesn't have the training in BPD the way Dr. Drew does. Completely unfair and invalidating.
@@3minus3_ you’re right Ethan doesn’t have to manage her disorder, but it’s his choice to keep doing this podcast with her, so if he doesn’t wanna learn how to respond to her episodes then he can’t act hurt if something triggers an episode and causes her to lose control. I have a family member with BPD, and I’m not trained in BPD either, but if I wanted to keep living with them and not walk on eggshells, I had to learn the right way to respond to them when they’re in an episode. If Ethan doesn’t wanna learn, he should stop doing the podcast, or stop acting surprised when she lashes out because she can’t help it (like how a schizophrenic can’t help their hallucinations).
as somebody with BPD, i appreciate the empathy dr drew has towards trisha because that's VERY rare to find and almost everyone looks down on those of us with personality disorders & judges us very very harshly,,, HOWEVER,, i HATE the way he's treating ethan in this video!!! Ethan's issues with trisha are VERY VALID and she should be called out for what she's doing to ethan's family!!! having BPD doesn't give you a free pass to hurt others and take 0 responsibility for it
YES!!! I don’t think I can even watch this episode because dr drew is being so rude to Ethan and devaluing his feelings and how Trisha is. Us people with bpd NEED to be called out.
@@gur9715 and Trisha has? Ethan is so patient with her during her "meltdowns" and never takes any of her awful comments personally and admitted that he should've spoken to her directly. How would Dr. Drew even know what Ethan's sorry looks like?
@@GirlWithEyeballs bro? He was litteraly arguing back with trisha when he knows she had a meltdown, he def was not patient with her, he was arguing back and took the comments personal, because he hates critism because he thinks evrything he do is perfect
Dr Drew is insanely mean and accusatory towards ethan. Of course ethan doesn't know how to deal with trishas issues, hes never experienced them. He's so rude to him for no reason. And trisha isnt a baby, she can hold her own and take responsibility
Ethan has been so much more understanding than she deserves. Drew treats her like a little princess who can do no wrong, and Ethan like he is responsible for her behavior, controlling the environment around her, reading her mind, and responding only how she needs him to. It’s insane.
@@natalineismail787 I did watch it through, I feel like he made excuses for her. I am very understanding about how mental health can severely impact you and those around you, however I still believe she is ultimately responsible for her actions. Enabling her and/or causing her to believe the people around her hold responsibility to regulate her emotions when she is out of control is unhealthy. She needs guidance on how to self soothe, set boundaries (and stick to them), as well as guidance on how to emphasize with those around you and how your words/actions have lasting impact- even in a heightened mental state. I agree she needs support systems, however those around her shouldn’t be made responsible for pacifying her, controlling her reactions, or feel like she gets a pass. She needs to take full responsibility and learn to either regulate or leave. Especially when those around her are making attempts to assist her.
Yeah, no. Dr.Drew is literally gaslighting Ethan. He’s telling Ethan Trisha doesn’t even have to try to change and Ethan just has to deal with it. “She’s just doing what she does, you just have to ignore it!” Are you kidding me? I’ve actually heard that line from abusers.
Meera AlShamsi The goal is to create a healthy podcast environment so that the show can last as long as possible. The realistic solution would be to find a way where Ethan can prevent Trisha’s meltdowns. Trisha isn’t going to change her behavior during one “therapy” session so you can’t expect her to correct her behavior like a “normal” person.
Dr Drew telling Ethan it wasn’t important when he was trying to explain Moses telling everyone two different stories irritated me so bad because I feel like that’s a huge reason all of this is even happening.
ok but does anyone else feel like Dr. Drew has a weird bias towards Trisha? I noticed it in the last episode as well. He seems to scold Ethan for everything and tell him he's wrong while being extremely gentle on Trisha. It's like he is scared of her
Sure. But Moses and Hila weren't there to speak for themselves. Dr. Drew was focusing on the two people in front of him, and how they communicate. And he was trying to get to the personality test, which was why he was booked. I get the feeling it was a tight schedule.
as someone with bpd, this genuinely made me cry. I cannot believe that this man who claims to be a "doctor" validated her actions and words like this. I would NEVER ask someone I love or care about or even interacts with me to understand the thought process behind the shitty things I can say. It is never on them and they have their own things going on. No matter what mental health condition you have, your actions are always your responsibility. Nothing she said in the last episode was even remotely okay and I can't believe anyone can try to back her up on it and not validate the emotions of someone, like ethan, who "has to accept" the shitty things she does because of her mental health. He is his own person and has his own life and mental health issues and does not deserve this.
this is EXACTLY how i feel and this is coming from someone who also has bpd and bipolar disorder- just because you have mental health disorders does NOT mean you should be entitled to get a free pass card to say whatever and do whatever with no accountability. regardless if you feel like you are in control or not, they are still your actions. you still have to own up to them. and dr. drew is literally saying that ethan should just let trish have these free passes to just be a horrible nasty person and ethan just has to suck it up and take accountability for HER! like what???
Dr Drew: that apology doesn’t sound sincere Pretty sure that’s for Trisha to decide whether or not Ethan sounds sincere, not for Drew to cut him off and say so.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Ok? That doesn't take away that the apology may have been disingenous, Dr. Drew was just trying to prevent Trisha from bringing up Ethan's apology in the future to antagonize him, to be honest his apology didn't seem at all convincing at first, while he may do things off camera, that doesn't take away the fact that his apology did not really seem appropiate for the situation.
@@poofartandpee that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Dr. Drew is schooling Ethan on Trisha's behavior and issues, and gives him full responsibility for their relationship. That is unfair because again: Ethan is not a therapist, he's a friend. He doesn't understand everything and he doesn't have to be okay with everything. That puts a lot of unfair pressure onto him. Dealing with someone with mental issues like Trisha's is really difficult, and not many people are willing to put in the effort that it takes. Dr. Drew should've at least given Ethan some recognition for that.
@@IsabelleLindemann Dr Drew's standpoint comes from a doctor's perspective. It's obvious that it's not a big deal to Ethan because it really isn't. Try not caring so much about stuff that really doesn't matter.
yeah but that's not the issue here? they're trying to mitigate trisha's emotional episodes. ethan has more emotional control which is why dr drew puts more of an onus on him. it's not inherently fair but part of being in a relationship with someone with personality disorder that ethan is a consenting (and benefitting) member of. if ethan needs support from trisha for mental health or to take a break for mental health then that absolutely should be a part of the discussion but he has never expressed that in any conversation or the many videos discussing this fight.
Ethan: I’d like to admit I should’ve told Trisha beforehand not to talk about Hila Dr. Drew: I think u don’t mean that I hate that he doesn’t seem to understand Ethan’s feelings at all, he’s so favoring Trisha and I was hoping Ethan would’ve called him out like i would’ve
Yes! He needs accountability. I definitely think he plays both sides. Trisha wouldn't know personal stuff if he wasn't sharing with her from his perspective
Same. I’m about to turn it off about a half hour in. As a neuroscience major, without even having a degree yet, I can see so many things he is doing wrong in this situation. They should’ve had a real psychologist do this instead
@@kierasaurusfrost Dr Drew is good at one thing: addiction problems. Everythning else he pretends as if his opinion is worth any more than the average Joe and yet, as we all saw during Covid beginnings, he knows jackshit about most things.
no really as a nanny it kinda breaks my heart hahah, i’m definitely not a random stranger over the years i have gotten so close to the family i nanny for i love them all so much! i think most nanny’s get very close
- trisha murders ethan - Dr. Drew: You have to understand that this is a result of Trisha's trauma, and she did not mean to do it. It is simply the result of years of untreated trauma.
@@arifilipponi4866 that wasn’t my intent though. Just trying to joke around about the lengths dr drew goes to when trying to explain away trisha’s behavior and discredit everything Ethan says. Obviously mental illness and trauma are real
@@arifilipponi4866 what is gross is trying to invade the entire family like some needy demanding brat using leverage and making threats and revealling private things about Moses and a smelly vagina.
It’s literally not ethans job to BABY SIT Trisha for her mental health outburst, that is her responsibility. They needed to set boundaries with each other and then the show wouldn’t have ended.
Ethan is just more well adjusted. It’s best to focus on the one that’s unstable I think even Ethan would understand, but i get where you’re coming from.
@oneshotrobb You're talking about it's better to focus on the one that's more unstable they're both millionaires the real and stable person is the crazy homeless person in the street but you want to focus on Tricia Wright
The major difference is that Ethan has the capacity to actively interpret that he shouldn't be taking what she is saying when she goes into that mode seriously. Not excusing it or condoning it clearly, but swiftly acknowledging the moment and moving on is a tool Ethan could use very effectively to quell these disputes and focus on the show and the evolution of their relationship and their individual journey. Their feelings both are valid and matter equally, but Ethan's potential ability to control himself in those moments and navigate them for the better of them both is something Trish cannot reciprocate (and thats OK!).
I think we should blame dr drew for what happened to Frenemies. He’s straight telling Trisha she doesn’t have to control her disorder and that it’s Ethan job to just ignore bad parts
He literally told Trisha she needs to work on this side of her. He never said she doesn't have to control her disorder... He also knows that she's in therapy for this specific reason. They spent time on this the last time Dr. Drew was on.
@Lynn V. At around 19:00 I believe. For a full understanding you should also watch the previous episode that Dr. Drew was on. He mainly focused on Trisha and the things she needs to do to avoid this. That's where they also talked about the psychotherapy that she's doing specifically to help her try to control the dissociative states she gets into.
@Lynn V. I used to shit on Trisha too. I never understood why she was being so so nasty and emotionless until that episode. Now everytime she gets into one of those states, it's so obvious. She literally shuts down and becomes a different person and it's hard to watch.
I’m so confused as to why the “doctor” didn’t watch what happened when the whole thing is literally on camera and instead just listened to trisha’s perception of what happened
Yes! I wondered that as well then figured maybe he didn't have the time to watch the whole podcast. But come to think of it he could have at least skimmed it and watched the part where the fight started if he was going to come on and talk about it.
1:29:08 made me cry, as someone with suspected Borderline disorder it would mean the entire world to me if someone were to say this to me. living this way is so painful. The way Ethan said this made me feel so loved (almost)… Trisha was so lucky to have came across someone so understanding like this
It aggravates me that Moses isn’t being held accountable. I feel like he’s trying to keep the peace with both his sister and Trisha, but in reality he’s only creating issues. I don’t think he’s necessarily doing it intentionally, he’s probably doing it to avoid confrontation on both sides. Intentional or not, though, it’s causing problems.
My mom does that instead of putting her foot down she plays into whoever shes talking with and agrees with them and it fuels it. Cause she doesn't wanna make anyone mad and it makes everyone mad lol
8 minutes in and dr drew has already told ethan ''i dont think you're being genuine'' when he tries apologising to trisha & said ''thats not important'' while ethan was trying to explain himself....... lol ok wtf
Yes I totally agreed with u! That comment about him thinking Ethan is not genuine is so uncalled for and probably just justified Trisha’s irrational paranoia .
@@AndreGriffiths1 he is saying it isnt vaild because trish is doing what trish does.... so it doesnt matter what the logic is behind it because it this point logic doesnt matter
@amanda atha thats common with addicts no matter who the doctor is. I'm not saying he is a good or bad doctor because i dont have a doctorate so i have no idea but I do know the reason you gave for him being a bad doctor isnt exactly proof of him being a bad doctor. The success rate of adicts is very low and the failure and death rates are very high. Thats with treatment. Obviously without treatment those rates are even worse.
“I don’t need to hear more from you” -This is important to me “Ughh 🙄 alright go ahead” And the exact moment Ethan was finished speaking, he said “Yeah that’s actually not important” he didn’t even consider what he was saying. He made the decision to respond in that way while Ethan was speaking. I desperately need to see a panel of dr Drew’s colleagues review his methods
As someone whom has BPD, I believe Ethan handles Trishas episodes very well compared to most people. It’s nice that Trisha has a friend whom is supportive and who isn’t just going to walk out when things get tough.
It’s not. It was more of a balancing act that if Ethan wanted to do a podcast with such a volatile person who wouldn’t get put on medicine (and honestly not getting efficient help thru therapy), he would have to use kid gloves and accept working with an untreated, mentally ill person. I have a degree in psychology but I’m not a psychologist or specialist BUT she very clearly has mental illness and some form of personality disorder, most likely borderline.
What I'm so frustrated by is that Trisha deserves the understanding that Dr. Drew gave her, just not in a way that it invalidates how Ethan feels. You can be understanding and see both perspectives, they're not mutually exclusive.
They should have a different therapist on the show. Preferably one that doesn't shut down, and invalidate what Ethan is saying. Dr. Drew is so clearly biased, and only supports Trisha.
I disagree... Dr. Drew said "Now you're kind of doing splitting behaviour" Ethan says "hey listen I ain't splittin sh!t" Ethan was always acting like the things Trish does can't apply to him, he was always in denial about Dr. Drew's analysis of his actions... And even in the first podcast Ethan couldn't accept being in the wrong even 5% of the blame... He was always sure that his actions were justified "I wanted you to own what you said" like wtf? That sounds pretty aggressive... Especially when you KNOW your friend is having a blackout and is never genuine about their words... He genuinely thought it was ok for him to do that... He was also like "I never fully understand what goes through your mind😕" but then goes near the end of the podcast " I feel like I know how and what you feel in your heart❤"
Same with his low cuk level narcissism... Just because he can project his confidence that doesn't mean he is truly confident in himself, he has stated before that he hates looking at himself and he has been less confident about his less than fantastic traits... And him avoiding it just proves it, when they bring up his things like when Trish makes comments like "I wouldn't have a nanny😌💅" and his reactions were blown waay out of proportion... And he couldn't accept that, he always made excuses. Instead of accepting the fact that he escalates minor things like that, he says "it's not me it's her"
I agree about the splitting behaviour, that was an interesting moment. I think learning about 'mental health' is a GREAT way for 'mentally healthy' people to recognize their own shitty behaviour lol. My family loves to put themselves on the 'mentally healthy' pedestal, and then engage in incredibly toxic and manipulative behaviour. Splitting is also incredibly human, I know I've done that behaviour before without realizing what I was doing. Most folks with known mental health issues are well aware that we cause problems, and it's nice to see the 'normies' realize they are also problematic. I think his reaction to the nanny thing (I don't rememberhis original reaction, just what's in this video) is pretty normal, too. I don't think it was Trish's intention, but that's basically saying that she thinks he's making supbar parenting choices. Anyone who loves their child would have a reaction to that, you'd have to be a monk to take zero offense to that. I think they are both flawed people, like the rest of the human population, and it's nice seeing them work through their issues and see where their issues cause friction
@@user-pw5gd6is8t it’s more that he, as a trained medical professional, doesn’t take the time or courtesy to validate that having that happen is a stressful situation and one that may bring about heightened tensions. Not everything is about Trisha which is what dr drew has failed to remember and what I was trying to highlight in my comment.
The thing that people don’t understand is that the person to blame is the “saint” Moses. He’s obviously telling hila & Moses different things from Trisha. Hes the one splitting everything
Dr Drew isn't a therapist, he's an addiction specialist. Why is he even conducting this session? No wonder he had no idea how to counsel two people at once. This is a mess
I completely agree, but at the same time Dr. Drew has mentioned (in so many words) how he knows that “the show must go on.” I can see how he allows them to bicker. But yes he definitely could’ve and should’ve stepped in more often regardless of if he’s only an addiction specialist, because he’s definitely worked with people like them before. He’s there to help, but it’s still a production.
@@katievilcan1593 I appreciate the fact that this is the show and more drama usually = more views, but whatever was going on was causing genuine issues in their fam and it looked like they really wanted it sorted out. So asking a medical professional on based on the fact that he's a media personality and not the fact that he is trained to perform therapy (and this was essentially relationship/couples therapy) is a mistake imo. Yeah Dr Drew would deal with mental illness in his job but performing therapy on people takes years to be trained in. But, seems like they're well past this now so all the best to them and the show :)
@@jessicalauren5549 I feel it's more like he's honest with trisha about how he feels, but he can't communicate how he feels with his family because they will react badly. He seems to just constantly want to avoid conflict but he creates more problems by avoiding his issues.
She clearly learned what to say the last time he was on to get him to do what she wants. Her whole “but we jab at each other, that’s what we do 😢” bs. There’s a difference between Ethan jabbing at her for her strange behaviors and her calling Eilah a bitch……………….
@Samantha Baurova Kellman for sure. Not to mention Dr. Young went off about how 2 narcassicts have explosive relationships that go back and forth and I instantly thought of them
Looking back now, I genuinely think Trisha did pay off Dr.Drew in order to make herself not look as bad, because this is just absolutely insane. There’s no way this is real. I know he’s a “fake doctor” but I feel like even just some regular person wouldn’t be as demeaning as he was towards Ethan. It’s infuriating to watch
The people in the comments are being better therapist than this “dr” drew 😭 super unprofessional. Ethan handles trisha’s outbreaks amazingly. most people wouldn’t be to be as calm as him. applause to you ethan 👏🏽👏🏽
He’s literally the one that triggers them and doesn’t ever take accountability for the things he needs to take accountability for. He will do the same exact thing Trisha does but will blame her.
In the last episode Ethan was literally saying like "we should drop this" and then would turn around and ask things like "what even started this in the first place?" just because he didnt explode back at her does not mean he handled it "amazingly"
Tbh none of them deserve to deal with Trisha's adult baby bullshit. I get she has issues but the fact that she claims to not know she is being manipulative is a flat out lie lmao. She knows what she's doing she just doesn't care lol.
Also I'd like to make a comment to the others commenting here... Trisha is nuts and it's hard to handle the shit she dishes out in a continual basis. Hila even expressed how exhausted she was dealing with it all. They are human! You guys seem to give so many passes for Trisha's toxic behavior but then when Ethan gets pissed and wants to put her in her place after she verbally abused him and his wife is fucking nuts. Y'all are acting like they're Trisha's caregivers lol. Trisha is a fully grown woman and is acting like an absolute child. It's pathetic. And no it's not the BPD she knows what she's doing she just doesn't care to change. She constantly makes excuses claiming that she doesn't know she's doing it and she blacks out. Absolute bullshit. She knows what she's doing she just loses all empathy in her moments of narc rage.
Rewatching this back and Trisha has a habit of rearranging the line of events so it favours her. She 100% made a dig at Ethan’s parenting and then continued to gas light him. So frustrating when Ethan goes to correct her and is then interrupted by Dr Drew telling him “it’s not important”. It’s not Ethan’s job to regulate Trisha’s behaviour either. He actually handles Trisha incredibly well; he has a lot more tolerance and patience than the average person. Trisha’s reactions are on her and her only.
It’s pointless b/c there not even dealing w/the main issue- the fight about Ethan’s family- and how much of an asshole Trisha is - b/c she was so disrespectful and took no accountability!!!!
Well it is... either adapt and understand or cut her off. That’s basically the point. Isn’t that the point of dealing with anyone in life wether they are an addict on the journey to recovery or a shitty traumatized romantic partner or a job etc. either adapt and rise above the bs.. or continue and complain and seek validation for being able to take abuse or negativity and be a martyr.
@@0ronegro agree! He means this will continue to happen and instead of questioning Trish when she’s disassociating & getting her to the point of no return it’s better to leave the topic altogether. Also the fact Ethan didn’t bring up this issue unless during the podcast was what triggered her anger, it’s pretty clear to me
@@0ronegro I agree that Trisha is not in control when she lashes out like that and I’m sympathetic to her. Ethan does need to learn to adapt to it and not escalate the situation. I just think Dr. Drew’s delivery of the advice to Ethan could have been better. It felt like Dr. Drew was making fun of Ethan for not being able to “take it.” He could have offered the advice in a way that was sympathetic to both of them, not just Trisha, so that Ethan wouldn’t immediately go on the defense
Is no one gonna talk about the fact that Ethan said “Trisha, there is nothing you could say or do that would make me abandon you.” 🥺🥺🥺 That is the most precious, selfless thing ever. Trisha has found her forever people, and all they needed was the patience of a saint 😂😂😂
@@jazzypooh5362 but they’re also part of why trisha had a meltdown in the first place (not saying it’s hila’s fault but I think moses definitely played a part and should take accountability as well as trisha)
I'm not a fan of Dr. Drew. He's talking like he's the only one who knows what's going on, but he's obviously never seen a single episode of this show. And that's frustrating.
I was hoping they would at least play the clip from the podcast when shit hit the fan but yeah doctor drew is literally only taking into account Trish's downplayed version of events and it actually acting like Ethan is lying. Dude is totally clueless
Yeah he’s going off of looks and first impressions. He thinks Trisha is incapable, dumb, uncontrollable, etc. and he thinks that’s just the way she is and will always be. That’s not true for anyone... she’s probably already gone through gender based violence and trauma, and furthering this paternalistic narrative is immobilizing her. Let alone insulting to everyone else involved.
The fact that Ethan is the kind of person who is not a "bye forever" person is so healthy for Trish to learn good relationship management
i want more of these comments and less of the ones saying it’s not ethan’s job to manage her or not push her over the edge. he’s choosing to stick around and be a better friend to her
Yes I think trish needs that. Someone who is calling her out on her shit but does it Bc he cares not Bc he wants to hurt her
Not to mention he'll say anything he needs to say to her face and always listen to what she says in return instead of denying her feelings and shutting her down. I think these are the first people she's had in her life in awhile she can't sway with gifts and spotlight and it's going to be a long road to accept these people like her for herself and aren't using her. These are not going to be her most comfortable friendships, but I think they will be her realest and I hope she keeps them all in her life.
I love this comment 💕☺️
He kinda has to for the sake of the family ..If Moses broke up with her the next taiame Trisha through one of her crazy fits Ethan would be done.
Moses really needs to be held accountable for his role in this misunderstanding
YES THATS WHAT IM SAYING. the root of the problem IS moses
Yes. He needs to step the heck up and tell them both to cut it out. He needs to tell Trisha to stop saying stuff like that, first off if he is telling her that stuff in private, she needs to keep it in private. And he needs to tell them to stop talking about Trisha on their podcast. Simple as that.
This.👏🏼 Accountability!
AGREED
His personality is so weak
Ethan: she tried to run me over with her car
Dr drew: You’re allowing yourself to be run over
Omgggg 😂😂😂
Lol - that's funny.
@@emmaispunk what part does this happen at
@@g3n3ssy its just a joke. Ethan said trisha was driving a wedge between hila’s family and dr drew said no, you’re allowing a wedge to be driven.... bruh
Made me laff
It's been almost 3 years and dr drew still INFURIATES me
Me too like God damn
to the max.
Literally such a quack
Same I'm rewatching all of frenemies and I almost skipped this episode
@@nick_nic_nico No fr I always skip it tbh
Ethan: can I say something?
Dr drew: absolutely not
Fr!
😂😂😂
LMAOOOO forreal
looool literally it was driving me mad !! :(
that part really bothered me. and then dr drew dismisses him with "thats not important"
ethan: this is how me and my wife feel
literal therapist: don’t care it’s your fault ❤️
The heart got me 🤣
He’s an MD not a therapist
@@crocodileeye1141 whether or not this MD is a therapist, an MD generally can be a therapist, so your logic is off.
@@maxmeier532 MDs and therapists are completely different. In fact not even close to the same profession.
@@maxmeier532 what? Hell no... an MD is most definitely not a therapist....
Ethan: *Breathes*
Dr Drew: "You're in the wrong."
trisha : calls ethan’s wife a c*nt
dr drew: ethan you’re wrong
Ethan: Escalates every situation with Trisha and pokes the bear till it attacks
His fans: HE’S A SAINT LEAVE HIM ALOVE
@@earfwerm stop simping for trisha in the comments lmao
Ethan is too controlling on the podcast IMO.
So he needs an authority figure like Dr. Drew who likes the sound of his own voice to counter him.
@@earfwerm you’re on several posts commenting the same thing. If you don’t like Ethan just say so.
ethan: “trisha tried to run me over”
dr drew: “see that’s just one of her episodes”
@georgexander7170this is completely unrelated 😭
@georgexander7170bye what 😭
@georgexander7170George, no. No, George.
@georgexander7170 lmao. Trans people are the gender they say they are. And THAT'S basic ass biology. Grow tf up.
@georgexander7170ik ur a kid it's really obvious but that's such a horrible comparison like where did that even come from dude
Alt title: "Dr". Drew gaslights ethan for an hour and a half
*Dr Drew enabling Trisha to get that free OnlyFans content
* "Dr." Drew takes Trisha side out of pity and doesn't listen to ethan
@@lannisterfilth 😂
I agree my therapy for bpd was all about learning to hold myself accountable and learning to cope so it doesnt become the other persons responsibility to manage my emotions and it really bothered me how he kept telling ethan it was his fault for reacting to her. I know he isnt actually their dr or therapist but it seems like he just didnt want to upset Trisha by being honest or holding her accountable. And honestly knowing they had a whole video to get through i cant really blame him given the delicate the situation
Imagine going to a therapist and they cut you off and say "that's not important" while you're trying to explain something
Yeah that really annoyed me!!!
He’s not a therapist though. He’s an internal medicine doctor.
Dr Drew is kind of a dick 😳
@@sarahlara8420 What if it is completely unproductive to the overall process....??!?!?!??
Yes I was shocked that was so rude
Wait so trisha can literally drive a wedge between family members and ethan is in the wrong for not just ignoring it?? this is stupid af
ong bro
for real it’s literally so unfair how dr drew tries to “help” the situation or whatever but immediately sides with trisha and basically says that she gets a pass for doing things that cause problems just because it’s “just what she does” like
Ethan : there’s more that I want to say
Dr Drew: it doesn’t matter
Ethan : *explains
Dr Drew: that was not important .
Dr Drew is so one sided
As a licensed therapist, I am so aggravated. Dr. Drew is a joke just like Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew specializes in substance use, he should not be holding these sessions with them
For dr. Drws defense he did say they arent his patients and not a real session. But I do agree with you, he should stick with what he knows.
Hes such a joke, he oddly has to assert his dominance and bully men who are more in tuned with their emotions like ethan and bobby lee (hes just as unbearable when talking to bobby lee)
He's a huge quack... any licensed therapist would never put all the blame of someone else's outbursts on a secondary person. Also thank you for saying Dr. Phil too, he hasnt had a valid license in a very long while.
I thought he did pretty good with this mess. You must be a trish hater......because someone actually backed her up......he was bad at his job??? Pathetic and predictably lame. Ethan DOES nag and push constantly its annoying.
Yikes where did you get your licensing and where do you practice? Bc I’d like to avoid you at all cost.
A specialization does not mean you cannot provide other types of therapy. I’d think you would’ve learned that in your schooling?
‘I’m never going to abandon you’ ,
is probably the nicest thing he could have ever said to her. I think this friendship/ family is actually good for them both. They’re learning a lot about themselves through it all and I hope they stay friends 🤗
This is the first positive comment I’ve seen 💗
@@schnooleheletteletto Hey now. Dont speak for all people with bpd or mental problems thats really insensitive and condescending. If someone is willing to put in the effort and prove that they are not their mental illness then they are capable of maintaining any type of relationship. These types of comments can be hurtful to those affected by mental problems.
@@schnooleheletteletto I feel like everyone with a mental illness has the ability to learn ways of coping and maintain relationships. And it’s important to encourage them too and not just assume they’ll mess up. Everyone deserves a chance.
Time stamp?
@@h.8691 I agree , it’s not fair to label everyone the same way or put anyone in a box. If someone had a physical injury they wouldn’t be spoken about that way
It's not Ethan's job to keep trisha from disassociating. Dr. Drew is honestly putting too much responsibility onto Ethan and is basically telling him to let trisha do and say whatever she wants
Watching this 10 months later, wow. Dr. Drew completely blows off Ethan from the start, in the beginning he said “well that’s not even important” what? A brother and sister are being wedged apart due to Trishas actions and his PROFESSIONAL advice is to”relax and let it happen” WHAT
he was so condescending from the beginning and biased towards ethan. i remember watching this when it first aired and being pissed at all of "Dr" drews takes. everything he says is ethan has to deal with trisha cause she has special behavior that invalidates anything ethan is going through or dealing with.
literally! It’s so rude the way he just cuts him off and ignores him. I realized he was doing this the first time he was on the podcast.
!!!!!!!!
Dr. Drew is not a therapist.
@@annaw5201 He should stop cosplaying as one than.
why is ethan's mental health not considered? its like dr drew is saying he doesnt get to have feelings
Dr. Drew makes it out like it’s “Ethan’s job to contain Trisha” …. No sir. Ethan’s feelings are valid and Trisha is responsible for her own emotions and lashing out.
Thank you!!!!
@@rachael_thrasher this is exactly what I think too! Dr Drew realizes how severely fucked up Trisha is and sees that Ethan is incredibly well-adjusted in comparison. It’s probably not great that he basically dismisses Ethan’s problems just because Trisha’s are worse, but I feel like on a podcast we shouldn’t expect like a real therapy session. I feel like Trisha SHOULD be treated as a case study that Ethan signs up to deal with (or not, which obviously he decided not to deal with it ultimately)
It’s not ethans job to completely put up with anything Trisha does, that’s when his mental health will start to decline
I agree. Just because she has special issues doesn’t just invalidate his feelings and needs . There should be a boundary, she is capable of understanding the illness, all the way to using it as an excuse. She could be dealing with it better some of the stuff is just out of hand and the fact she gets to come back and not take this serious, she’s laughing throughout the whole video in parts , she should realize how she acts is really a problem and needs to take this more seriously.
Ethan: I can take Trisha’s jabs, but its affecting my wife and her family
Dr. Drew: Stop. That’s not important
LOL truuuuuuuuu
I mean he’s not wrong. Hila and Moses are grown ass adults and they need to work out what ever weird relationship thing they are going through and stop using Trisha. I mean Moses tells Trisha he hates his family and Hila tells Ethan to tell Trisha not to talk about her or her family. None of these people are actually talking to the person they should be and working it out amongst them. I mean god damn these are actual adults
Exactly. He is pissing me off so much and im only 25 minutes in.
shitting on dr drew gang rise up 😎
Dr Drew is so wrong for that lol. That's the main problem Ethan has with Trisha from my perspective.
“That’s not important”
Ethan: 👁👄👁
hated that!!
Yep that might have come across as rude but Dr. Drew understood the situation going on without having to know the extra tiny bit of info ethan felt like he needed to add to defend Hila.
@@Studio60Design nah just a good doc
dr drew isn’t even a doctor
IMAGINE if he said that to Trish tho. i couldnt believe how Drew was speaking to Ethan in the beginning. i thought he would be impartial
I’m rewatching episodes now and why is no one questioning Moses? Because he’s the common denominator in all this. He is telling Trisha one thing and then Hila another. Trisha wasn’t driving a wedge, she is just saying information that is being told to her by Moses. It seemed like Moses was acting differently with Trisha and his family. In summary, Moses was definitely the issue and the person driving the wedge between everyone.
I completely agree with your analysis also given he is like 10 years older than her too. Like it just seems so sus.
deffo Ethan said something in a podcast which ppl presumed was him trying to say they would probs make up with Trisha easier than Moses.
sooooooooo true
period
@@Shortlover59xif she's 31 and he's 41, it really doesn't matter, both of their brains have matured fully
I feel like Dr Drew should have watched the episode before coming here
agreed, he should have done his homework first
Yep it was so hard to explain what happened in the parenting part
@@Liz-nb9rq I feel so bad for Ethan because out of everything that’s the one thing that personally hurt him you could see it in his face.
Next time I hope they don’t have a massive fight before he comes.
Later in episode he told Trisha danger of mixing two meds he felt she took too close together. It’s his expertise on addictive medicine.
He not a therapist the episode makes him look bad
I agree!! I think if he had watched it, he wouldn't be so quick to defend Trisha!
“That is not important” This whole thing is literally about Moses not being real to either Trisha or the family!!
No. He's keeping stuff from Trisha because it's his right to do so but also because he knows she's not the problem so why burden her. His private relationship with Trisha is not part of the working relationship with Ethan.. It's up to Ethan and Trisha to make their working relationship, work. Ethan should've made that working boundary very clear much sooner. He has more information and control over the working situation so he has to take responsibility for that.
Yes, I agree Moses is a big part of the issue and that should also be addressed...
@COVID i agree. People are reading into this so much, which I personally think reflects on the audience more than the performance. Really, we should be concerned about the level of manipulation that advertisers and creators have reached. This all seems like a lucrative exploit of character, and I think we all know they are aware of it. People with cluster B personality traits either get help or they do not.
@COVID So tell me how all of this is Moses' fault then. I'll wait.
@COVID The root of the problem is what's going on between Moses, Hila and their family. It needs to stay separate from the podcast in every way. You assume Trisha is what's causing the problems but that's not the case. There could be lots about Moses and his life that their family don't approve of rather than his latest gf. Ethan has even stated it's not Trisha. If Moses is not taking calls or answering texts from family that's his choice. If they're arguing it's not surprising to me. Moses still considers himself Israeli but not Jewish. That could easily be the reason they're arguing. Or his choice of career. Or him coming to live in the US. So many possibilities. But, Hila saying she thinks it's Trisha somehow preventing him from communicating is an extremely provocative thing to say to anyone, let alone Trisha! Trisha's paranoia is what's escalated things no doubt. BUT. Ethan has assumed Trisha's boundaries would be the same as his, he should've known they wouldn't be. Ethan knew far more about Trisha than Moses did, when they started the dating game way back. Boundaries should've been set from the beginning of the podcast if not earlier given the romantic status going on and, all of this wouldn't have happened. If Moses tells Trisha exactly what's going on between him, Hila and their family it would only be a matter of time before she blurted. Which is exactly what none of them want, Trisha included. Part of being involved with Trisha is managing her well documented mental health problems. She accepts that. She overshares, they knew that about her. If Ethan wants to do business with her he has to accept that about her. It's not about fault, it's about reality and practical solutions. Until and if Trisha works through her problems and can control or manage them better herself, it's likely she will blow up again. She needs time and support and guidance. It's obvious. Which is why Ethan said he would never abandon her. He's realising the power he has to help her or hurt her. Trisha has to learn to trust him with that power. You don't like it but the fact is Trisha is the victim. She needs people she can trust around her in order to learn normalcy. To set her straight when she needs it and be supportive when she needs it. But it has to be done with compassion. No anger or aggression. Trisha doesn't even know what all of her triggers are yet because there's so much of her past she doesn't remember. She doesn't understand why she does the things she does yet. She's in the very early stages of her mental health recovery journey. During the course of this podcast Ethan has been shocked to hear some of her life experiences. How matter of fact she is about them. She is so emotionally dissociated there's no wonder she behaves the way she does. She's hypervigilant. Constantly on guard. Anyway, that's the situation as I see it. I have personal experience of being around someone with BPD/DID. She's not a villain and neither is anyone else. There just HAS to be boundaries for everyone's sake.
I'm glad Ethan stands up for himself against Dr. Drew because he's is subtly attacking Ethan for no reason throughout the whole video
I thought this too, it's like passive aggression
as someone with a BPD diagnosis (because of trisha, lmfao) this was incredibly frustrating to rewatch for this exact reason
@@hogkanI feel like he’s very enabling to Trisha’s issues and it’s not helping anyone in fact it’s hurting.
I have bpd also and the biggest part of my treatment has been taking responsibility for MY actions, not putting blame on other people's reactions to me!! And medication lol. Trisha will never get better if she doesnt take some damn responsibility and not verbally abuse people. @hogkan
Ethan didn’t wear Teddyfresh. This man’s heart grows larger every episode. Proud of you Ethan, good job.
this made my heart warm. thanks for pointing it out :)
What’s this in reference to?
@@chowtime91 the time stamp is 1:41:30 but last week i think trisha said its too much that he wears teddy fresh every week so he remembered this week not to
@@chowtime91 the episode before Trisha asks Ethan to not wear Teddy Fresh in the next episode. However, it wasn't a huge part of the episode and he was thoughtful enough to remember and not do it.
such a kind guy
ethan is allowed to get annoyed, especially when she’s coming for his family. the expectation that he always has to stay calm and deal with her insanity is impossible to uphold
Who cares. I’m still caught up in her making a million dollars a month?!?!
Yea. Drew isn't listening to him at all.
He stayed WAY more calm than others..including myself. She threw some really low blows..anything bout family and parenting are. Especially calling his spouse every name in the book. I can see how he may have prolonged it but otherwise he took it well.
this dr is a fraud, he has done zero research on trisha and he has not even watched the episode to see how things played out, trisha has used the excuse of mental illness literally every single thing you can think of and always falls back on it every time she crosses a line, why does she keep getting a free pass when she shows the same repeated bad behavior with no growth or change
exactly
Dr Drew is 100% subscribed to Trisha's onlyfans
That means he must be into the sweet home Alabama kinks 🤢
@@Princessbubblegum567 She’s not...... so no LMAO
He is a simp for her
Tia Patterson dang his standard is so low it’s sad lol
Gabriela Santiago ah you must’ve forgotten about her “playful” adult content she made with her mom and sister 🤡
Man, doing a rewatch of this series and I forgot what an absolute joke of a professional Dr. Drew is. Had to do some homework on him to see how genuinely toxic and unhelpful he is to people in this situations. Much love to Ethan
@@esunshinexoI just skip the episodes w Dr. Drew now bc they put me in a bad mood and don’t rlly contribute much to the show as a whole.
I have literally never commented on UA-cam before, but this pissed me off so much. Dr. Drew is not a licensed counselor or therapist. He is a drug and addiction specialist. He works in medicine for people detoxing, not psychology or therapy. His degrees are in biology and medicine. He has no qualification for acting like he is an authority on mental illness, relationships, or anything having to do with psychology that is not drug or addiction related. To make matters worse, he is a creep. I had to stop reading his book because he kept complaining about how he couldn't stop being sexually attracted to one of his rehab patients. Gross. I hope they see someone qualified next time so they can BOTH feel valid in their emotions. I also hope Dr. Drew stops pretending to be a psychologist.
@Lynn V. bruhh thats weird as F. But i do have to say, last episode and the things he was saying on Trishas behavior were very correct, as I have been going through the same illness (is that what I should call it in english?) and have also been seeking therapy a lot. I have to admit my therapist is a GREAT and VERT experienced licensed therapist and He has helped me in extreme amount. So idk. Drew might not be licensed, but he do know lots of accurate stuff... (?)
I agree. So many of his speaking points in both episodes have been completely wrong. + he kept shutting Ethan down when he had valid complaints abt Trisha's behavior. Maybe he's siding with Trish so much because he's biased & attracted to her like his former patient. he's literally victim blaming Ethan for daring to react to Trisha provoking and insulting him.
God, I love you for commenting on that. Just 9 minutes in he is already cutting Ethan off in his recap of what went down, and saying what he added wasn't important. I'm not a therapist but my dad is a psychiatrist, my mom a psychologyst and I've been to therapy a total of around 8 years with psychoanalysts. As I said before, even 9 minutes in he's already showing a weighted opinion towards Trisha and not giving Ethan the chance to open up about his feelings and perception of the situtation. It makes me so mad that they regard any of his actions as something a mental health professional would do
@@largeautomobile Thats exactly everything I was thinking haha
@@annie.phoenix Agreed! I have been in therapy since I was young, my dad is a psychologist, and I am getting my masters in clinical mental health counseling. So I'm not an expert, but counseling practice is important to me. Forget therapy, even on a human level he is doing a disservice to Ethan because he is showing him no compassion.
Dr Drew sounds like Trisha's high school bestie trying to back her up in an argument.
!!!!!
Dr. Drew barely interrupts Trish but as soon as Ethan begins speaking he gets cut off immediately and can’t get a word in edgewise. Dr. Drew basically told Ethan to shut up without literally saying it.
Ethan asked him to come on the show and deal with Trish
@@cady__ he should (as a doctor) help Trisha and Ethan both. How was he supposed to help Trish without helping (and listening to) Ethan as well , since they are supposed to coexist for the show. There is always two sides to a story. Trisha and Ethan should both have been listened to as far as what every “therapy” they were doing to help Trish.He shouldn’t have told Ethan that what he was saying was not important or not needed what he should’ve done was told Ethan how he could de-escalate a situation with Trish to keep her calm and how to help himself from saying things that might trigger her.
@@dakotajones2799he said at the beginning he wasn’t acting as their doctor - Ethan didn’t ask him to do that either - he asked him on as to have an informational episode to help him, and dr drew did that. He explained BPD, and said that those things aren’t important to someone with BPD because A, B, C. He didn’t say ethan’s feelings weren’t important, he never once said anything like that - he said in trish’s mind this is how things go and she literally doesn’t care if you make a logical list, she goes into wrath and
Goes off. He also didn’t excuse what Trish said either, what she did was wrong and everyone agreed on that at different point of the show. He just tried to explain her mind. The fact that you’re obsessing over the words “that’s not important” and taking them so literal without listening to the whole conversation is your thing - but that’s not what Dr Drew meant, and they all discussed that in other points of the episode too.
later on when they did the test Dr Drew mentions that he was worried about Ethan specifically with having boundaries because he doesn’t want him to get hurt. He obviously expressed multiple times in the episode he cares that they both are okay.
Ethan said he knows what he meant and he also knows what he pre-planned with everyone, and the arc he wanted for the episode. Stop making one person a scapegoat in a situation when Ethan also literally had her do a personality test to prove all this shit about her and say see she’s a narcissist, and know he’s gonna get a better score. I like Ethan, and he’s funny but let’s not pretend he’s a saint when he’s the one who planned the whole episode to go this way.
@@cady__ I won’t argue with you any more your obviously not willing to notice the fact that Dr Drew isn’t very professional at all (and in fact he did say and I quote “That’s actually not important” you must’ve just missed what he said after that because your too busy brown-nosing him.)He literally said nothing and went on talking to Trisha.
@@cady__ To continue I never once said Ethan was a saint or a scapegoat. I never even insinuated that so before you put words into my mouth maybe you should go back an re-read thx luv.☺️
16:52 dr drews aggression towards ethan is so unprofessional. he acts like ethan is supposed to be a professional dealing with bpd and is responsible if she has a meltdown. hes also is a human and is 100% allowed to be upset at someone creating a wedge in his relationships. which ethan was handling so well and gets no credit for it
Trisha wearing teddy fresh for Ethan and him not wearing teddy fresh for her is such a sweet move
@cloudzinmyize bruh.
Dr Drew saying "that's actually not important" when Ethan was trying to express his point & then Trisha laughing at that comment, made me sus of Drew. Clearly feeding Trish's ego. Probably bc he wants her on his show to exploit her. Putting all the responsibility of balancing emotion on Ethan is outrageous. Trish needs to be responsible for what comes out of her mouth.
when he said that my mouth literally dropped!!! i was so mad at dr. drew
Both times he came on the podcast he sided with Trisha almost exclusively. Kinda hard to listen to drew continuously disrespect Ethan and act like a professional at the same time
RIGHT?!!!! i have to stop watching this bc he’s siding so hard with Trisha and being so rude to ethan
When “dr drew” said “yea yea” in response to Ethan’s “you gotta watch the clip” that’s so unprofessional! Why tf didn’t he do his research? She’s so good at playing the victim to people who don’t know the full situation my god
That last sentence thou. 💯👌 Absolutely.
What kind of licenced Doctor/Therapist says "Just relax" to their patient? Ethan could not be any more calm, patient and reasonable. Dr drew is a joke.
I 100% agree
Ethan is one of the most chill ppl I’ve seen. Can’t believe the “doctor” said that. I wouldn’t have made it past that point if I were Ethan.
according to one comment down here, he's just a "specialist" you know like hyram
@@namehere5231 even then he is incompetent as a specialist xD
@@calivibes_84 He's not chill. He's lethargic.
The most problematic part of this whole situation is Dr. Drew
Period
Also I feel like Dr drew doesn't look at the full scope of things and expects Ethan to be inhumanly understanding just because he has better mental health i saw this last time it still hurts to be put down when your the healthier person.
I agree. It felt like Dr. Drew sided with Trisha from the get go. He didn't even empathize with Ethan. It's not Ethan's job to manage Trisha's disorder and completely turn himself off as a human. Ethan doesn't have the training in BPD the way Dr. Drew does. Completely unfair and invalidating.
Especially since she doesnt even get treatment. Shes a goddamn grown woman. Get treatment!
D.rDrew is an idiot. He has been for years that's why his show got canceled and he has to come on h3 lol.
@@3minus3_ you’re right Ethan doesn’t have to manage her disorder, but it’s his choice to keep doing this podcast with her, so if he doesn’t wanna learn how to respond to her episodes then he can’t act hurt if something triggers an episode and causes her to lose control.
I have a family member with BPD, and I’m not trained in BPD either, but if I wanted to keep living with them and not walk on eggshells, I had to learn the right way to respond to them when they’re in an episode. If Ethan doesn’t wanna learn, he should stop doing the podcast, or stop acting surprised when she lashes out because she can’t help it (like how a schizophrenic can’t help their hallucinations).
@@salmae.1354 I agree with you!
as somebody with BPD, i appreciate the empathy dr drew has towards trisha because that's VERY rare to find and almost everyone looks down on those of us with personality disorders & judges us very very harshly,,, HOWEVER,, i HATE the way he's treating ethan in this video!!! Ethan's issues with trisha are VERY VALID and she should be called out for what she's doing to ethan's family!!! having BPD doesn't give you a free pass to hurt others and take 0 responsibility for it
thank you.
I couldn’t have said it better.
YES!!! I don’t think I can even watch this episode because dr drew is being so rude to Ethan and devaluing his feelings and how Trisha is. Us people with bpd NEED to be called out.
PERIOD
YES I 100% agree! I think he handled the first episode that he came on very well, but I definitely did not like how he treated Ethan in this one.
Ethan: I'm truly sorry
Dr. Drew: no you're not
Ye because it doesnt seems like he is sorry lmao, he has never shown that he is sorry
@@gur9715 and Trisha has? Ethan is so patient with her during her "meltdowns" and never takes any of her awful comments personally and admitted that he should've spoken to her directly. How would Dr. Drew even know what Ethan's sorry looks like?
LMAOOO
@@GirlWithEyeballs bro? He was litteraly arguing back with trisha when he knows she had a meltdown, he def was not patient with her, he was arguing back and took the comments personal, because he hates critism because he thinks evrything he do is perfect
@@Moe11113-c because trisha has a disorder, ethan doesnt, ethan is just a selfish cock sometimes
the fact that even when ethan is apologizing he's STILL being put down and belittled by dr dickhead. "im sorry" "*scoffs* i DoNt ThInK yOu MeAn ThAt"
Dr Drew is insanely mean and accusatory towards ethan. Of course ethan doesn't know how to deal with trishas issues, hes never experienced them. He's so rude to him for no reason. And trisha isnt a baby, she can hold her own and take responsibility
he really said “your feelings do not matter sometimes” LMAO if he said that to trisha, it would be a meltdown all over again
Ethan has been so much more understanding than she deserves. Drew treats her like a little princess who can do no wrong, and Ethan like he is responsible for her behavior, controlling the environment around her, reading her mind, and responding only how she needs him to. It’s insane.
if you watch the podcast all the way dr drew talked about people with your mentality about Trisha
@@natalineismail787 I did watch it through, I feel like he made excuses for her. I am very understanding about how mental health can severely impact you and those around you, however I still believe she is ultimately responsible for her actions. Enabling her and/or causing her to believe the people around her hold responsibility to regulate her emotions when she is out of control is unhealthy.
She needs guidance on how to self soothe, set boundaries (and stick to them), as well as guidance on how to emphasize with those around you and how your words/actions have lasting impact- even in a heightened mental state.
I agree she needs support systems, however those around her shouldn’t be made responsible for pacifying her, controlling her reactions, or feel like she gets a pass. She needs to take full responsibility and learn to either regulate or leave. Especially when those around her are making attempts to assist her.
Yeah, no. Dr.Drew is literally gaslighting Ethan. He’s telling Ethan Trisha doesn’t even have to try to change and Ethan just has to deal with it. “She’s just doing what she does, you just have to ignore it!” Are you kidding me? I’ve actually heard that line from abusers.
Trisha: *Stabs Ethan in the throat*
Dr. Drew: Well now Ethan, this is why it’s your fault-
fr
The logic kind of makes sense though, like if a dog bites a person...you don’t blame the dog but instead you blame the owner of the dog.
@@jaleelshivers226 The problem here is, they aren’t dogs who go by instinct.
@@meera2334 they are humans who go by instinct. The way Trisha acts is an instinct.
Meera AlShamsi The goal is to create a healthy podcast environment so that the show can last as long as possible. The realistic solution would be to find a way where Ethan can prevent Trisha’s meltdowns. Trisha isn’t going to change her behavior during one “therapy” session so you can’t expect her to correct her behavior like a “normal” person.
This podcast has nine lives lmao
They're running out fast though
LMAOOOO
THIS COMMENT
aint mad at it tho
THIS IS ✨EVERYTHING✨
Dr Drew telling Ethan it wasn’t important when he was trying to explain Moses telling everyone two different stories irritated me so bad because I feel like that’s a huge reason all of this is even happening.
100%
He’s basically being emotionally manipulative towards Ethan and is disregarding his side and feelings triggered me
ok but does anyone else feel like Dr. Drew has a weird bias towards Trisha? I noticed it in the last episode as well. He seems to scold Ethan for everything and tell him he's wrong while being extremely gentle on Trisha. It's like he is scared of her
I feel like he's enabling trisha and completely dismissing Ethan
Maybe this would be better if everyone was here or even better in private.
Sure. But Moses and Hila weren't there to speak for themselves. Dr. Drew was focusing on the two people in front of him, and how they communicate. And he was trying to get to the personality test, which was why he was booked. I get the feeling it was a tight schedule.
as someone with bpd, this genuinely made me cry. I cannot believe that this man who claims to be a "doctor" validated her actions and words like this. I would NEVER ask someone I love or care about or even interacts with me to understand the thought process behind the shitty things I can say. It is never on them and they have their own things going on. No matter what mental health condition you have, your actions are always your responsibility. Nothing she said in the last episode was even remotely okay and I can't believe anyone can try to back her up on it and not validate the emotions of someone, like ethan, who "has to accept" the shitty things she does because of her mental health. He is his own person and has his own life and mental health issues and does not deserve this.
this is EXACTLY how i feel and this is coming from someone who also has bpd and bipolar disorder- just because you have mental health disorders does NOT mean you should be entitled to get a free pass card to say whatever and do whatever with no accountability. regardless if you feel like you are in control or not, they are still your actions. you still have to own up to them. and dr. drew is literally saying that ethan should just let trish have these free passes to just be a horrible nasty person and ethan just has to suck it up and take accountability for HER! like what???
👍💛
I also have bpd and couldn't have said it better 💯
Dr Drew: that apology doesn’t sound sincere
Pretty sure that’s for Trisha to decide whether or not Ethan sounds sincere, not for Drew to cut him off and say so.
and you just know, this will come back, she will end up using that against him.
to be fair, that was only a measure he took to prevent future problems regarding that apology.
@@FitRepss bruh, he reached out after the previous frenemies show and tried to keep things from escalating by telling Trisha to leave.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Ok? That doesn't take away that the apology may have been disingenous, Dr. Drew was just trying to prevent Trisha from bringing up Ethan's apology in the future to antagonize him, to be honest his apology didn't seem at all convincing at first, while he may do things off camera, that doesn't take away the fact that his apology did not really seem appropiate for the situation.
Ethan doesn't have to be able to 'handle' everything, he's not a therapist, he's a friend.
Yes that is what I was thinking it’s not his job to control Trisha she should control her self they like gave her a pass and went easy on Trish
This was first perceived as a boundary-less podcast. It is his responsibility to make it known what isn't.
@@poofartandpee that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Dr. Drew is schooling Ethan on Trisha's behavior and issues, and gives him full responsibility for their relationship. That is unfair because again: Ethan is not a therapist, he's a friend. He doesn't understand everything and he doesn't have to be okay with everything. That puts a lot of unfair pressure onto him. Dealing with someone with mental issues like Trisha's is really difficult, and not many people are willing to put in the effort that it takes. Dr. Drew should've at least given Ethan some recognition for that.
@@IsabelleLindemann Dr Drew's standpoint comes from a doctor's perspective. It's obvious that it's not a big deal to Ethan because it really isn't. Try not caring so much about stuff that really doesn't matter.
So........are we just gonna ignore the fact that Ethan also has depression and struggles with his mental health too or?
Its obvious that the "dr" doesn't worry about Ethans mental health, and it's very frustrating
THIS. I was so frustrated at how one-sided this whole thing was.
This is making me want to write to Dr Drew personally,his approach was very disappointing.
Exactly my thoughts
yeah but that's not the issue here? they're trying to mitigate trisha's emotional episodes. ethan has more emotional control which is why dr drew puts more of an onus on him. it's not inherently fair but part of being in a relationship with someone with personality disorder that ethan is a consenting (and benefitting) member of. if ethan needs support from trisha for mental health or to take a break for mental health then that absolutely should be a part of the discussion but he has never expressed that in any conversation or the many videos discussing this fight.
Ethan: I’d like to admit I should’ve told Trisha beforehand not to talk about Hila
Dr. Drew: I think u don’t mean that
I hate that he doesn’t seem to understand Ethan’s feelings at all, he’s so favoring Trisha and I was hoping Ethan would’ve called him out like i would’ve
“Ethan somehow can’t handle it”
PREACH
I thought I was the only one who caught that 😂🙄
Ethan: She stabbed me in the stomach
Dr drew: that's irrelevant
So Moses isn’t on this episode? The one who is creating all the problems should be on to explain himself...
Right?! Something is seriously off about that dude. Shady. I don’t trust him at all.
Yes omg
@@liplock000 He just wants Trisha money....I don't blame him it's easy target. Hes trying to play her and getting caught in his own lies.
Yes! He needs accountability. I definitely think he plays both sides. Trisha wouldn't know personal stuff if he wasn't sharing with her from his perspective
I get the impression he dates people his family disapprove of... Rebellious child.
If we are gonna add trigger warnings I want one for Dr. Drew
It so painful to watch this because of how much “Dr” Drew invalidates Ethans feelings. I was 10 minutes in and I wanted to shut it off
I'm there right now - i am taking a break to read the comments for a bit because he is frustrating me so much but I don't want to miss an episode
Me too I really dislike Dr. Drew
Same. I’m about to turn it off about a half hour in. As a neuroscience major, without even having a degree yet, I can see so many things he is doing wrong in this situation. They should’ve had a real psychologist do this instead
@@kierasaurusfrost Dr Drew is good at one thing: addiction problems. Everythning else he pretends as if his opinion is worth any more than the average Joe and yet, as we all saw during Covid beginnings, he knows jackshit about most things.
Yikes he isn’t invalidating his feelings at alll...maybe Ethan isn’t as right as you think he is
*meanwhile, Theodore’s Nanny: 👁👄👁*
Lmao
Hahahahahhaha that's funny
no really as a nanny it kinda breaks my heart hahah, i’m definitely not a random stranger over the years i have gotten so close to the family i nanny for i love them all so much! i think most nanny’s get very close
- trisha murders ethan -
Dr. Drew: You have to understand that this is a result of Trisha's trauma, and she did not mean to do it. It is simply the result of years of untreated trauma.
😂😂
Tbh you are coming off as very "mental disorders arent real" and thats gross.
@@arifilipponi4866 that wasn’t my intent though. Just trying to joke around about the lengths dr drew goes to when trying to explain away trisha’s behavior and discredit everything Ethan says. Obviously mental illness and trauma are real
and it causes her to trash talk Hila and ask inappropriate shaming questions like does Hila get rammed like Trisha does. all part of the illness
@@arifilipponi4866 what is gross is trying to invade the entire family like some needy demanding brat using leverage and making threats and revealling private things about Moses and a smelly vagina.
It’s literally not ethans job to BABY SIT Trisha for her mental health outburst, that is her responsibility. They needed to set boundaries with each other and then the show wouldn’t have ended.
I feel bad for Ethan. His feelings are just as important as Trish’s.
Ethan is just more well adjusted. It’s best to focus on the one that’s unstable I think even Ethan would understand, but i get where you’re coming from.
@oneshotrobb You're talking about it's better to focus on the one that's more unstable they're both millionaires the real and stable person is the crazy homeless person in the street but you want to focus on Tricia Wright
The major difference is that Ethan has the capacity to actively interpret that he shouldn't be taking what she is saying when she goes into that mode seriously. Not excusing it or condoning it clearly, but swiftly acknowledging the moment and moving on is a tool Ethan could use very effectively to quell these disputes and focus on the show and the evolution of their relationship and their individual journey. Their feelings both are valid and matter equally, but Ethan's potential ability to control himself in those moments and navigate them for the better of them both is something Trish cannot reciprocate (and thats OK!).
Exactly
@@TheO5Council me personally no I focus on me because I’ve got a lot of room to grow, but he were talking about this show I thought.
I think we should blame dr drew for what happened to Frenemies. He’s straight telling Trisha she doesn’t have to control her disorder and that it’s Ethan job to just ignore bad parts
He literally told Trisha she needs to work on this side of her. He never said she doesn't have to control her disorder... He also knows that she's in therapy for this specific reason. They spent time on this the last time Dr. Drew was on.
@Lynn V. Lol I'm not sure why the sarcasm. Everything I said is true so..
@Lynn V. At around 19:00 I believe.
For a full understanding you should also watch the previous episode that Dr. Drew was on. He mainly focused on Trisha and the things she needs to do to avoid this. That's where they also talked about the psychotherapy that she's doing specifically to help her try to control the dissociative states she gets into.
@Lynn V. I used to shit on Trisha too. I never understood why she was being so so nasty and emotionless until that episode. Now everytime she gets into one of those states, it's so obvious. She literally shuts down and becomes a different person and it's hard to watch.
dr drew honestly did not hit, he literally was like trisha has trauma so ethan suck it up… bro what?
I’m so confused as to why the “doctor” didn’t watch what happened when the whole thing is literally on camera and instead just listened to trisha’s perception of what happened
tv "doctors" of psychology are not exactly ethical
Exactly what I was thinking!
And Ethan perception too... they probably were not there for that just for the personality test
He said it himself , “ doesn’t matter.”
Yes! I wondered that as well then figured maybe he didn't have the time to watch the whole podcast. But come to think of it he could have at least skimmed it and watched the part where the fight started if he was going to come on and talk about it.
1:29:08 made me cry, as someone with suspected Borderline disorder it would mean the entire world to me if someone were to say this to me. living this way is so painful. The way Ethan said this made me feel so loved (almost)… Trisha was so lucky to have came across someone so understanding like this
trisha’s reaction was so genuine, like she really needed to hear that but it just makes me so sad to see how they’ve ended up :(
I actually can’t believe they’re back I really thought it was over
I was hoping it would be
Time and empathy can help a lot
@@aka_Ingmar why it’s so entertaining
should be over. trisha is way too toxic to try to force it for entertainment
I haven't been this happy in weeks
It aggravates me that Moses isn’t being held accountable. I feel like he’s trying to keep the peace with both his sister and Trisha, but in reality he’s only creating issues. I don’t think he’s necessarily doing it intentionally, he’s probably doing it to avoid confrontation on both sides. Intentional or not, though, it’s causing problems.
He’s a splitter too
Hes giving me red flags
My mom does that instead of putting her foot down she plays into whoever shes talking with and agrees with them and it fuels it. Cause she doesn't wanna make anyone mad and it makes everyone mad lol
i agree with this, he isn’t taking any responsibility at all
I think it’s easier for an audience to blame Moses rather than Trisha or Ethan who they actually are a fan of
I feel like a divorced child while watching my two parents trying to get along.
Soooo...you feel like yourself
🤣😭🤣
OH MY GOD
Denisia Wardlow my parents are divorced, I did that LOL it was so bad we even asked them to divorce & this is still way worse
@@curmudgeon8 no. I imagine this feeling.
Picking a side is the one thing you must never do as a therapist
8 minutes in and dr drew has already told ethan ''i dont think you're being genuine'' when he tries apologising to trisha & said ''thats not important'' while ethan was trying to explain himself....... lol ok wtf
I was looking for this comment! Thank you! That part pissed me off because some people try to be genuine without sounding all dramatic ):
Yes I totally agreed with u! That comment about him thinking Ethan is not genuine is so uncalled for and probably just justified Trisha’s irrational paranoia .
Ethan: “can I say something”
Dr. Drew: no you’re wrong anyways doesn’t matter
Because Ethan acts like he’s completely innocent
@@Jordankj99 Even so it doesn't make sense to dismiss a valid point. Dr Drew has always been a snake oil salesman
Ethan gives one sided arguments just to fluff his own ego. He refuses to take responsibility for his actions.
@@AndreGriffiths1 he is saying it isnt vaild because trish is doing what trish does.... so it doesnt matter what the logic is behind it because it this point logic doesnt matter
@amanda atha thats common with addicts no matter who the doctor is. I'm not saying he is a good or bad doctor because i dont have a doctorate so i have no idea but I do know the reason you gave for him being a bad doctor isnt exactly proof of him being a bad doctor. The success rate of adicts is very low and the failure and death rates are very high. Thats with treatment. Obviously without treatment those rates are even worse.
“I don’t need to hear more from you”
-This is important to me
“Ughh 🙄 alright go ahead”
And the exact moment Ethan was finished speaking, he said “Yeah that’s actually not important” he didn’t even consider what he was saying. He made the decision to respond in that way while Ethan was speaking. I desperately need to see a panel of dr Drew’s colleagues review his methods
THAT PISSSSSEDDD me offf when he did that
YESSSSSS
Yesss
Yesss
YESSSSSSSS
the "alright go ahead" from dr drew at 8:45 made me wanna break everything on my table
Ethan actually didn’t wear Teddy Fresh this ep like Trisha asked him to.
aww, I hadn't noticed.
damn, I don't know how to feel about that.
Ethan should wear whatever he wants to wear. It’s his show! He’s the boss!
@Frost she did
If my wife built a clothing company I'd rock the hell out of it. I didnt understand that comment
She would say he always wearing his own Merch , in a way she making fun of him
As someone with a good therapist, I would've stopped going with that dude after our first appointment
Same tbh
As someone whom has BPD, I believe Ethan handles Trishas episodes very well compared to most people. It’s nice that Trisha has a friend whom is supportive and who isn’t just going to walk out when things get tough.
someone please explain to my why it's ethans responsibility to cater to her mental health opposed to trisha taking responsibility for her actions.
It’s not. It was more of a balancing act that if Ethan wanted to do a podcast with such a volatile person who wouldn’t get put on medicine (and honestly not getting efficient help thru therapy), he would have to use kid gloves and accept working with an untreated, mentally ill person. I have a degree in psychology but I’m not a psychologist or specialist BUT she very clearly has mental illness and some form of personality disorder, most likely borderline.
What I'm so frustrated by is that Trisha deserves the understanding that Dr. Drew gave her, just not in a way that it invalidates how Ethan feels. You can be understanding and see both perspectives, they're not mutually exclusive.
Yes!!!
Well said
🎯
Definitely
!!! This
They should have a different therapist on the show. Preferably one that doesn't shut down, and invalidate what Ethan is saying. Dr. Drew is so clearly biased, and only supports Trisha.
FACTS.
I disagree... Dr. Drew said "Now you're kind of doing splitting behaviour" Ethan says "hey listen I ain't splittin sh!t" Ethan was always acting like the things Trish does can't apply to him, he was always in denial about Dr. Drew's analysis of his actions... And even in the first podcast Ethan couldn't accept being in the wrong even 5% of the blame... He was always sure that his actions were justified "I wanted you to own what you said" like wtf? That sounds pretty aggressive... Especially when you KNOW your friend is having a blackout and is never genuine about their words... He genuinely thought it was ok for him to do that... He was also like "I never fully understand what goes through your mind😕" but then goes near the end of the podcast " I feel like I know how and what you feel in your heart❤"
Same with his low cuk level narcissism... Just because he can project his confidence that doesn't mean he is truly confident in himself, he has stated before that he hates looking at himself and he has been less confident about his less than fantastic traits... And him avoiding it just proves it, when they bring up his things like when Trish makes comments like "I wouldn't have a nanny😌💅" and his reactions were blown waay out of proportion... And he couldn't accept that, he always made excuses. Instead of accepting the fact that he escalates minor things like that, he says "it's not me it's her"
I agree about the splitting behaviour, that was an interesting moment. I think learning about 'mental health' is a GREAT way for 'mentally healthy' people to recognize their own shitty behaviour lol. My family loves to put themselves on the 'mentally healthy' pedestal, and then engage in incredibly toxic and manipulative behaviour. Splitting is also incredibly human, I know I've done that behaviour before without realizing what I was doing. Most folks with known mental health issues are well aware that we cause problems, and it's nice to see the 'normies' realize they are also problematic. I think his reaction to the nanny thing (I don't rememberhis original reaction, just what's in this video) is pretty normal, too. I don't think it was Trish's intention, but that's basically saying that she thinks he's making supbar parenting choices. Anyone who loves their child would have a reaction to that, you'd have to be a monk to take zero offense to that. I think they are both flawed people, like the rest of the human population, and it's nice seeing them work through their issues and see where their issues cause friction
Apparently everyone in the comments is a psychologist expert y’all sound dumb
Ethan: “Hila is being lied to by her brother”
Dr drew “that doesn’t matter”
Oh ok
Facts 😂😂😂😂
It really doesn’t tho, what does that have to do with Trisha? How would she know? This is a Moses issue not Trisha
Being lied to by her brother then her husband sits joking with the female who totally disrespected her.
@@user-pw5gd6is8t it’s more that he, as a trained medical professional, doesn’t take the time or courtesy to validate that having that happen is a stressful situation and one that may bring about heightened tensions. Not everything is about Trisha which is what dr drew has failed to remember and what I was trying to highlight in my comment.
@@user-pw5gd6is8t moses is lying to trisha too
The thing that people don’t understand is that the person to blame is the “saint” Moses. He’s obviously telling hila & Moses different things from Trisha. Hes the one splitting everything
Dr Drew isn't a therapist, he's an addiction specialist. Why is he even conducting this session? No wonder he had no idea how to counsel two people at once. This is a mess
I completely agree, but at the same time Dr. Drew has mentioned (in so many words) how he knows that “the show must go on.” I can see how he allows them to bicker. But yes he definitely could’ve and should’ve stepped in more often regardless of if he’s only an addiction specialist, because he’s definitely worked with people like them before. He’s there to help, but it’s still a production.
my thoughts exactly, its even frustrating to watch this
Both of these guys are 100% out of their competency. The only people who should be interpreting these measures are licensed psychologists
@@melissacostero3738 yesss
@@katievilcan1593 I appreciate the fact that this is the show and more drama usually = more views, but whatever was going on was causing genuine issues in their fam and it looked like they really wanted it sorted out. So asking a medical professional on based on the fact that he's a media personality and not the fact that he is trained to perform therapy (and this was essentially relationship/couples therapy) is a mistake imo. Yeah Dr Drew would deal with mental illness in his job but performing therapy on people takes years to be trained in. But, seems like they're well past this now so all the best to them and the show :)
This is the only episode of frenemnies I can’t even finish simply because of Dr Dumbass
literally
"Doctor" just like Cowboy Phil
LMFAOOOO LITERALLY
Stopped at 17 minutes. Not even sure if I want to continue
REAL he is literally invigorating to watch
Seems like Moses is the problem bc he communicates two different things to Trisha, Ethan and Hila
308 people and zero people arguing
Word cuz Moses is always silent and acting innocent but he’s just playing whoever’s side he’s with at the moment
Yeah. I feel like it’s bc he doesn’t like to directly cause anymore tension or conflict but ends up indirectly causing it anyways.
@@jessicalauren5549 I feel it's more like he's honest with trisha about how he feels, but he can't communicate how he feels with his family because they will react badly. He seems to just constantly want to avoid conflict but he creates more problems by avoiding his issues.
But Dr. Drew would probably say this isn’t relevant
Trish loves “Dr.Drew” so much because he agrees with her & makes her feel like her actions are okay, when obviously it’s NOT 🙃
I agree with Trisha on this one, I really thinks Dr.Drew wants to fuck Trisha
She clearly learned what to say the last time he was on to get him to do what she wants. Her whole “but we jab at each other, that’s what we do 😢” bs. There’s a difference between Ethan jabbing at her for her strange behaviors and her calling Eilah a bitch……………….
my guess: moses is the one with a score higher than trisha's
Moses is definitely a sociopath
@Samantha Baurova Kellman for sure. Not to mention Dr. Young went off about how 2 narcassicts have explosive relationships that go back and forth and I instantly thought of them
@@allalll1915 Yup yup yup
100%
They did say someone with Trishas personality disorder would be attracted to a psychopath so it would make sense
Ethan: Speaks
Dr. Drew: No, Youre Wrong
the common denominator is: *moses*
Yesss literally
That's definitely what it seems like.
Obviously..
🧍🏻
Splitting the Red Sea and relationships
Trisha is a completely different person when Dr. Drew is on here.
I can’t with Dr. Young’s fake bookshelf background 😂
It made me so happy 🥺 dr young was the saviour of the episode
Hahaha I didn’t even notice but now I can’t unsee
dr. young was on point, and didn't insert himself into the drama, I appreciate him for that.
I love dr young
I enjoyed him on the podcast as well, the background was just making me laugh. 😋
Dr Drew: “ I will be back”
EVERYONE: FKKKKK NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
He needs to NEVER come back he’s awful
Foot Soldiers !!!! Attack!!! Don’t let him reach our borders!!!! Never again....😂
HAHA i will literally skip that episode
@@seokja817 Yeah I know, it's frustrating. I keep forwarding. Ugh.
i literally can’t even watch the episodes with dr.drew i can’t stand him 😂
We need an episode where moses comes on and explains himself
That would be nice but he’s not obligated to explain to us lot anything, to his family deffo but not us. Unless he wanted to of course
Bringing their drama to the internet is what's causing problems.
Fr
@@SupahSpaceOfficial exactly.. not talking in private about the problem and mentioning half truths on the internet caused it.
This should have thousands more likes
Looking back now, I genuinely think Trisha did pay off Dr.Drew in order to make herself not look as bad, because this is just absolutely insane. There’s no way this is real. I know he’s a “fake doctor” but I feel like even just some regular person wouldn’t be as demeaning as he was towards Ethan. It’s infuriating to watch
I thought the same thing.
I hope dr drew reads these comments lmao
Why? You really think Dr. Drew cares about some internet trolls?
He didn’t even watch the video let alone look at comments 😂
@zoochie Well they should find better things to care about.
Roast him
The people in the comments are being better therapist than this “dr” drew 😭 super unprofessional. Ethan handles trisha’s outbreaks amazingly. most people wouldn’t be to be as calm as him. applause to you ethan 👏🏽👏🏽
He’s literally the one that triggers them and doesn’t ever take accountability for the things he needs to take accountability for. He will do the same exact thing Trisha does but will blame her.
Ethan maintains a cool attitude but manages to trigger her and egg her on. Calm doesn’t mean he handles her “outbreaks” amazingly.
In the last episode Ethan was literally saying like "we should drop this" and then would turn around and ask things like "what even started this in the first place?"
just because he didnt explode back at her does not mean he handled it "amazingly"
Tbh none of them deserve to deal with Trisha's adult baby bullshit. I get she has issues but the fact that she claims to not know she is being manipulative is a flat out lie lmao. She knows what she's doing she just doesn't care lol.
Also I'd like to make a comment to the others commenting here... Trisha is nuts and it's hard to handle the shit she dishes out in a continual basis. Hila even expressed how exhausted she was dealing with it all. They are human! You guys seem to give so many passes for Trisha's toxic behavior but then when Ethan gets pissed and wants to put her in her place after she verbally abused him and his wife is fucking nuts. Y'all are acting like they're Trisha's caregivers lol. Trisha is a fully grown woman and is acting like an absolute child. It's pathetic. And no it's not the BPD she knows what she's doing she just doesn't care to change. She constantly makes excuses claiming that she doesn't know she's doing it and she blacks out. Absolute bullshit. She knows what she's doing she just loses all empathy in her moments of narc rage.
This is so unproductive cause Dr. Drew hasn’t seen any of the clips and is clearly biased against Ethan
Exactly! Why didn’t he watch the podcast beforehand? Or why didn’t they show him some clips?
He hates jews, and is an outspoken anti semite. look it up
Right!!! I couldn’t agree more
Rewatching this back and Trisha has a habit of rearranging the line of events so it favours her. She 100% made a dig at Ethan’s parenting and then continued to gas light him. So frustrating when Ethan goes to correct her and is then interrupted by Dr Drew telling him “it’s not important”.
It’s not Ethan’s job to regulate Trisha’s behaviour either. He actually handles Trisha incredibly well; he has a lot more tolerance and patience than the average person. Trisha’s reactions are on her and her only.
This whole episode is basically just Dr. Drew telling Ethan: “That’s a you problem”
Basically I'm not even wanting to watch this.
It’s pointless b/c there not even dealing w/the main issue- the fight about Ethan’s family- and how much of an asshole Trisha is - b/c she was so disrespectful and took no accountability!!!!
Well it is... either adapt and understand or cut her off. That’s basically the point. Isn’t that the point of dealing with anyone in life wether they are an addict on the journey to recovery or a shitty traumatized romantic partner or a job etc. either adapt and rise above the bs.. or continue and complain and seek validation for being able to take abuse or negativity and be a martyr.
@@0ronegro agree! He means this will continue to happen and instead of questioning Trish when she’s disassociating & getting her to the point of no return it’s better to leave the topic altogether. Also the fact Ethan didn’t bring up this issue unless during the podcast was what triggered her anger, it’s pretty clear to me
@@0ronegro I agree that Trisha is not in control when she lashes out like that and I’m sympathetic to her. Ethan does need to learn to adapt to it and not escalate the situation. I just think Dr. Drew’s delivery of the advice to Ethan could have been better. It felt like Dr. Drew was making fun of Ethan for not being able to “take it.” He could have offered the advice in a way that was sympathetic to both of them, not just Trisha, so that Ethan wouldn’t immediately go on the defense
Is no one gonna talk about the fact that Ethan said “Trisha, there is nothing you could say or do that would make me abandon you.” 🥺🥺🥺 That is the most precious, selfless thing ever. Trisha has found her forever people, and all they needed was the patience of a saint 😂😂😂
I literally almost got teary eyed! And lmao 😂
Yuck
Kinda sad actually. How can he sit there and listen to her say horrible things about his WIFE and still want Trisha in his life.
You're so right that's beyond sweet 🥺😭
She definitely doesn't deserve that level of kindness and respect.
Ethan: “but but but... Moses”
Dr. Drew: “not important”
I feel like that’s the crux of the problem! Moses!
Yeah but he wasn’t there so it’s unfair to speak about Moses and hila.
@@jazzypooh5362 but they’re also part of why trisha had a meltdown in the first place (not saying it’s hila’s fault but I think moses definitely played a part and should take accountability as well as trisha)
Trisha is abusing moses
Exactly.
Watching frenemies back just makes me realise that “dr” Drew is shit. I don’t know how Ethan keeps so calm. My anger issues could never.
I'm not a fan of Dr. Drew. He's talking like he's the only one who knows what's going on, but he's obviously never seen a single episode of this show. And that's frustrating.
I was hoping they would at least play the clip from the podcast when shit hit the fan but yeah doctor drew is literally only taking into account Trish's downplayed version of events and it actually acting like Ethan is lying. Dude is totally clueless
Yeah he’s going off of looks and first impressions. He thinks Trisha is incapable, dumb, uncontrollable, etc. and he thinks that’s just the way she is and will always be. That’s not true for anyone... she’s probably already gone through gender based violence and trauma, and furthering this paternalistic narrative is immobilizing her. Let alone insulting to everyone else involved.