all supports were nerfed by it, but the supps like moira who are more dependent on healing to get value (most of the time) suffered more than others. Zen, bap etc are comparatively a lot stronger because of their damage & utility now
@@hatedcritic2585 LMAOOOO, thinking the hero that did the least DPS in the game with no utility was the most OP is a skill issue 💀 you just admitted you peaked silver i’m crying
It would be cool if they got rid of role passives and had a few different passives they assigned to heroes individually. Like snipers get the support-regen passive, moira trades the regen passive for the heal-debuff, bap trades the regen passive for the reload speed, etc.. That way it's more intentional? And it feels weird that a tracer dealing 1 damage 30 meters away can apply/refresh the debuff. If they want everyone to constantly have the heal debuff, they could've adjusted healing numbers directly. If they wanted it to be a debuff to play around, they should've made it more intentional/more interactable. Like only DPS cooldowns or quick melees can apply the passive, but the passive lasts for longer. So if you get hit by helix rocket or tracer melees you, you get the debuff for ~5 seconds or something. Right now, I assume everyone has the debuff on them at all times
IMO unique passives with each hero would definitely be better then role passives... it done PROPERLY it can make balancing hero so you don't have to worry about a passive being TOO broken on one hero or too weak on another. Plus, it'd be more fun and interesting.
And another indirect nerf to moira was the increase in hitbox sizes. Moira's time to kill is quite long, but she doesn't need to aim so she could focus on her movement and gamble that you would miss enough shots until she wins. But everyone's accuracy got buffed, so she'll lose those gambles more often
It's definitely a start. Hopefully we see frequent balance changes for a while where they work on fine-tuning everything. The passive is definitely overtuned, but unfortunately it's such a massive enough change that the only way to test it was to make it live and tweak it from there.
I don't really play OW2, but from reading Arx's vid desc and knowing Blizzard overall, balancing classes, heroes, etc... based on the elites is actually a weakness for Blizz. They often do that but end up sacrificing gameplay for the 99% of other players. It's real bad in WoW where raids have systemically been designed/balanced for race to world first at the loss of like 75% of players never even seeing that content. I don't think balancing Moira for high skill Moira mains is an answer. I do think balancing Moira so that she's competitive with Bap is. How to achieve that I leave up to people who know this game better.
@@therebelfrogy9287 me too. I play support mostly anyway, 2 seconds isn't bad just get into cover. Some supports need minor changes like LW could use a tiny buff, but all in all it's fun. People don't want to have good positioning. Although I know some tanks are suffering, so I'm unsure how to really help with that.
Nice games. Always a inspiring pleasure to watch you play. You seem to be doing just as good despite the current status. Have you noticed a significantly harder time surviving by dodging shots considering the increase in bullet size?
Wouldn’t have it any other way! Love doing f all and having twice as much healing as our other supports :p I think she’s great for new players and pretty balanced because if you catch her after using her wraith ability she’s pretty vulnerable and you can out damage her when she’s running along with a healing orb on her and giving you the suck but it’s tough
Either they BUFF the passive healing to compensate for the 20% healing debuff so even tho supports cant heal as much the passive could kick in faster or heal more or they reduce or tweak how the debuff works. I think its utter bullshit a tracer out in east jesus can trigger the passive. Some characters just feel bricked, lifeweaver and mercy are basically useless rn even if damage boost breaks that threshold mercys tickle beam is a joke
@@dankdillythere’s a lot wrong Lmaoo. Tons of of healing just prolong fights. They don’t win them. That’s why heal bot supports are struggling this season
They should buff her healing and ult healing/dmg a littlebit but for god sake should they nerf the shift ability, make it like they did in apex with wraith, being able to insta go invis and rotate is OP and boring to play against
High rank engagement like Diamond above is extremely fast and highly responding compare to your proud rank. The time you get to the health pack everything has been set done. There's only and only a heroes benefits from that is Lucio, and he's from among the hardest to master Stop bitching and improve
i thought i was crazy, the anti heal thing def makes her feel a lot worse and im surprised they didnt compensate her self healing or values for it
all supports were nerfed by it, but the supps like moira who are more dependent on healing to get value (most of the time) suffered more than others. Zen, bap etc are comparatively a lot stronger because of their damage & utility now
Moira's ult definitely needs its damage increased, it's too easy to heal through. Her orbs need to be buffed on both sides as well.
I can’t even play comp because moira used to put out insane heals and now I can’t heal shit
@@kalenuwuRight?! I had to change just to put decent heals out
@@Lexi-st4dw I just play zen now since his dmg is just ridiculous
Bad opinion
@@hatedcritic2585 LMAOOOO, thinking the hero that did the least DPS in the game with no utility was the most OP is a skill issue 💀 you just admitted you peaked silver i’m crying
19:45 😂😂😂😂 the "ah shit" took me out. I saw the rein as you were coming out of fade. Ithought it and you said it then I busted out laughing
It would be cool if they got rid of role passives and had a few different passives they assigned to heroes individually. Like snipers get the support-regen passive, moira trades the regen passive for the heal-debuff, bap trades the regen passive for the reload speed, etc.. That way it's more intentional?
And it feels weird that a tracer dealing 1 damage 30 meters away can apply/refresh the debuff. If they want everyone to constantly have the heal debuff, they could've adjusted healing numbers directly. If they wanted it to be a debuff to play around, they should've made it more intentional/more interactable. Like only DPS cooldowns or quick melees can apply the passive, but the passive lasts for longer. So if you get hit by helix rocket or tracer melees you, you get the debuff for ~5 seconds or something. Right now, I assume everyone has the debuff on them at all times
IMO unique passives with each hero would definitely be better then role passives... it done PROPERLY it can make balancing hero so you don't have to worry about a passive being TOO broken on one hero or too weak on another. Plus, it'd be more fun and interesting.
And another indirect nerf to moira was the increase in hitbox sizes. Moira's time to kill is quite long, but she doesn't need to aim so she could focus on her movement and gamble that you would miss enough shots until she wins. But everyone's accuracy got buffed, so she'll lose those gambles more often
yeah its a massive loss on skill expression with movement. The playing field being evened is so lame @@sawah765
It's definitely a start. Hopefully we see frequent balance changes for a while where they work on fine-tuning everything. The passive is definitely overtuned, but unfortunately it's such a massive enough change that the only way to test it was to make it live and tweak it from there.
I don't really play OW2, but from reading Arx's vid desc and knowing Blizzard overall, balancing classes, heroes, etc... based on the elites is actually a weakness for Blizz. They often do that but end up sacrificing gameplay for the 99% of other players. It's real bad in WoW where raids have systemically been designed/balanced for race to world first at the loss of like 75% of players never even seeing that content. I don't think balancing Moira for high skill Moira mains is an answer. I do think balancing Moira so that she's competitive with Bap is. How to achieve that I leave up to people who know this game better.
Just give them a chance, they are willing to do a big update like this, surely smaller adjustments are coming.
Hope they keep the same 20% healing of dps. Time to kill the Healing creep and easy AoE healing stupidness
@@therebelfrogy9287 me too. I play support mostly anyway, 2 seconds isn't bad just get into cover. Some supports need minor changes like LW could use a tiny buff, but all in all it's fun. People don't want to have good positioning. Although I know some tanks are suffering, so I'm unsure how to really help with that.
Agreed aoe healing was bad for the game and I’m glad healing is going down.
The dps passive does a number on hps😪
Nice games. Always a inspiring pleasure to watch you play. You seem to be doing just as good despite the current status. Have you noticed a significantly harder time surviving by dodging shots considering the increase in bullet size?
Yes, it's nearly impossible lol
@@ArxUK That's a shame, 'cause it was one way where movement and timing skill made a difference and could have a huge impact.
Wouldn’t have it any other way! Love doing f all and having twice as much healing as our other supports :p
I think she’s great for new players and pretty balanced because if you catch her after using her wraith ability she’s pretty vulnerable and you can out damage her when she’s running along with a healing orb on her and giving you the suck but it’s tough
Either they BUFF the passive healing to compensate for the 20% healing debuff so even tho supports cant heal as much the passive could kick in faster or heal more or they reduce or tweak how the debuff works. I think its utter bullshit a tracer out in east jesus can trigger the passive. Some characters just feel bricked, lifeweaver and mercy are basically useless rn even if damage boost breaks that threshold mercys tickle beam is a joke
Cloudy there trying to play rein like "its a hard knock life, for us"
Im glad this season is encouraging supports to deal damage instead of healbotting
Nothing wrong with wanting to heal a lot though.
@@dankdillythere’s a lot wrong Lmaoo. Tons of of healing just prolong fights. They don’t win them. That’s why heal bot supports are struggling this season
They should buff her healing and ult healing/dmg a littlebit but for god sake should they nerf the shift ability, make it like they did in apex with wraith, being able to insta go invis and rotate is OP and boring to play against
this champ design need a rework.
Basically got turned into paladins lite
Raise then dmg/heal on coalescence and extend the range
I know you are #1 and I am lowly Bronze 3, but you do know where the med packs are right?
Nop he dont know, way stupid
High rank engagement like Diamond above is extremely fast and highly responding compare to your proud rank. The time you get to the health pack everything has been set done. There's only and only a heroes benefits from that is Lucio, and he's from among the hardest to master
Stop bitching and improve