he honestly got a lot more credit than he deserved. Hulk was already a pretty big name in wresting before he recruited him in the territory days. Jim Ross was the head of talent relations during that time, and found a lot of the talent during the attitude era. I would actually say that Paul Heyman was better, Vince just had the better timing.
As much as Vince did for the industry itself, WWE was truly his personal toybox in most of its eras The Attitude Era was pure fan service because there was competition, not because thats what Vince wanted to give
@@dhenderson1810Nahhhh every WCW documentary Jericho cried about how he didn’t get a chance because the old stars wouldn’t give up their spot…..now look at him😂
Roman becoming brock during his record breaking reign, not defending or even being around for months. Leaving both brands with 1 champion to go after, when they weren't even there!?
CM punk not being mentioned in comments or showing up in this video just shows how moronic his fans are. He went from screaming how he puts in his time and deserves to be #1 guy. Look where he is now, seth and drew wrestling consistently only to be buried after having to carry matches for punk. Punk wrestling once every 5 months and is so prone to injury that even his table bumps look like he is being lowered into the table. This guy is going to win the belt from either cody or gunther and then provide even worse title defense than roman reigns. All you clowns will be quiet though, unlike with saying how roman defends his title once every few months.
@@HansenSebastian I took the line from The Dark Knight, Harvey Dent's "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Which is probably based off of that line.
Yet The Rock helped make WWE what it is today as he was one of the key pieces of the company going public! And during the Cena years he was a key reason why people stopped watching
@@Greatnes2009 and I also remember the Rock saying the WWE was his home. And remember his speech when Steve Austin walked out in 2002 when he said if you didn't want to be in the WWE, get the F out. I guess he didn't want to be in the WWE because he was gone soon after that.
@ Rock didn’t leave until 04 and technically they didn’t renew his contract in 04 that speech he gave to Austin was in 02 and God forbid someone goes out and has another career for himself and oh yea by the way the Rock is still in wrestling….so what are you saying?
@@Greatnes2009 Rock last wrestled on TV in 2003. That is when I consider his full time career to end. Also, he didn't wrestle for almost a year between Goldberg at Backlash in 2003 and WrestleMania 20.
The thing I don't get about people being mad at Chris Jericho for taking tv time and belts from younger, up-and- coming wrestlers is that people are so excited for John Cena to be in the Royal Rumble and get a belt again to break the record. He will be doing the exact same thing - taking wins and a belt from wrestlers who are in WWE day in, day out!
Cena hasn’t won a TV match in over 2000 days. Very different from Jericho who has probably politicked himself to win 5 championships in the last few years
@@RockApe_ Because he hasn't wrestled full time since 2018! I'm not saying it's right that Jericho wins all these belts and has all this TV time but I don't think Cena should be winning Rumbles and belts either. It'd just be like the Rock nearly nicking Cody's spot at Wrestlemania 40. Cena will be taking the spots from someone who's there and wrestling year round. Not just popping up now and then in-between making films and filming Peacemaker!
I think it’s because people are aware that he is most likely to lose and set up a final retirement match with whoever eliminates him. Kinda like what was supposed to happen with Undertaker and Roman Reigns in 2017. Well that’s just my take, could be wrong.
Undertaker said in an interview in the early to mid 2000s during his biker gimmick that he has no desire to stick around so long that people who saw him earlier in his career feel bad for him. He knew it then, that staying too long would ruin a legacy, hell he even saw it first hand when Ric Flair did it in TNA, and yet he still could not resist and ended up tarnishing his legacy during his old age despite younger Undertaker being fully aware of the risks.
Roman Reigns as well. And I'm not talking about his health issues either. Dude had no business being world champion for 3 years. When he literally did nothing. It was all handed to him due to his famous family
I mean we were also in the middle of a pandemic too? I don't think Roman's part time status is the same thing as Brock just not being bothered to show up. Like I don't think y'all actually grasp how serious leukaemia actually is
@@david-p8e6o Different story. Roman had leukemia and even when he's on remission, going full time like others would be risky as it would sideline him and worsen the leukemia. Brock is just too healthy to compete, but chooses to show up only when he wants to on his own terms.
@@HansenSebastian another Roman fanboy making excuses for him using the leukaemia crap which he never had should have been stripped off the title then if it were true sick of part time champions Goldberg Brock and roman he became a hypocrite dont give me that he had leukaemia nonsense
He's acting as if he was a victim of a very large conspiracy against him in AEW when in fact, he and the Elite just didn't agree on how to lead the company. Both the group and punk acted like children. Since punk knows he can't throw around his temper tantrums like he did in AEW as he'll be kicked out of the only promotion he can retire peacefully. So he's on his best behaviour in WWE.
Let’s be real…. John Cena did not do what the Rock did. -John Cena made his debut in OVW in 2000. -Signed to WWE officially in 2001. -He made his main roster debut 2002. -2002-2017 he was full-time. (15 years) -2018-now he’s part time. He put in more work than The Rock. He was also “THE” #1 WWE ambassador. ------------ -The Rock began wrestling in 1996 -Debut in November 1996 for WWF -Unofficially the Rock became a part timer in 2002, and you could definitely argue 2001. -2004 he retired -2011 to now he’s been a part timer. Having less than 15 matches since 2003 -And to add on to that unofficially retired point 2000- 152 matches 2001- 91 matches 2002- 36 matches 2003- 7 matches 2004- 1 match Etc etc etc 2013 he gave us his most matches in the last 15 years…. 3. ---------------- # of matches currently The Rock- 855 John Cena- 2,297 --------------- The rock also spent a few years trying to get rid of the wrestling aspect of his career especially during the beginning of his movie career. Only to come back & pretend that he didn’t actively participate in denouncing it (in the nicest way possible). Cena literally has given back to WWE every chance he has gotten.
You're not wrong but I think The Rock tried to get rid of the wrestling aspect because Vince was trying to be involved in every project The Rock was doing, that's why he started using his real name when doing movies later on
@ I agree with that assessment. Heck I also think that WWE wasn’t the end all be all for him either. It was just something he knew he could do, and he had an easier way into the industry. But I also for sure think that once he got a taste of Hollywood. He knew what the true goal was. In fact…. Although he is box office. I think that if his time in Hollywood was reviewed better. We’d see him even less than we do today. Because although he’s been apart of a hit franchise in Jumanji & the Fast series. He’s yet to be a successful leading man in any of his standalone movies. (In fact all of his “solo” movies include other A list celebrities) Lol, and that’s not a full blown shot. I’m actually a huge fan of the Rock/Dwayne. I really enjoyed Red Ones & Red Notice…. I also thought he did okay in Black Adam too. Of course there’s a strong bias there considering I’m a huge wrestling fan, and he’s one of my childhood idols. But the movie buff/critique in me will never ignore the obvious.
@@domwuz144 lol, you have 0 clue what giving back means, the rock was jobbing many times in his career, while cena may have fought many more matches but won most of the time, maybe giving back to people who love seeing him and the boss, but not to the roster as much as the rock did, the rock also stepped into hollywood to give the new guys the spotlight, and he was never seen as the number 1 guy, it was always austin, they even credit austin for why rock got to the top, it was time for the rock to move on, so should you, orton is in his 40s and still remains in wwe, cena split to hollywood, which means cena is still similar to the rock
For a time CM Punk was the HHH of AEW: someone who rose to the top because of his close relationship with the boss, took forever to get to the ring before giving long promos of things you knew he was going to say, always in the World Title Scene, and was allowed to have backstage power on one show - even using said power to hold back other people.
Jericho is doing all this ironically. It's legitimately his Learning Tree gimmick. The only thing Big Bill can do wrong is lose matches, and that's the only time the fans boo. He's gonna get a big push off the tail end of this, which has happened since the 70s when it comes to egotistical, leadership roles in stables.
@@SoupDealerwell he didn't accept the fact that he was an ungrateful self righteous idiot with the longest WWE title run in WWE at that time. He couldn't draw as much as Cena so WWE had to put the championship back on Cena's shoulder. Yes I do agree that WWE did dirty to him by him not having a threeway match with Rock and Cena at WrestleMania.
I notice Stone Cold didn't walk out during his heel run, he walked out when he had been a babyface again for 6 months. I think he had a problem with not being champ anymore. He was still champ as a heel, for his longest ever time. But he walked out when it was clear he was no longer the man, HHH had his big return and Stone Cold had to put over Brock. I don't blame him as such, apart from his 10 months out with injury he was pretty much the man for 4 years. Not being in the main event made him think something was missing.
It's not the same for Cena. First, The Rock conquered Hollywood (for awhile), Cena just works there. Another difference is Rock was almost a decade younger when he stopped wrestling. Cena was basically 40 and had a full career. He didn't leave much meat left on the wrestling table while The Rock left a TON.
DAMN: Vince didn't like ANYBODY who made a name for themselves outside of WWF/E. Even worse he hated Deans: Dean Douglas, Dean Malenko, Simon Dean & Dean Ambrose. All of them had a terrible gimmick or run under his watch.
Regarding Shane Douglas and the faking injury rumours, Scott Hall talked about it in his shoot interview and was regretful. Shane was hurt, but Hall had also been working hurt and told Shane to just take some fucking pills. This interview having been years later, Hall was more reflective of that and how taking pills just to continue wasn't the best idea. So yeah, the "faking it" was just him not working hurt, though at the time based on how wrestling was, everyone who was working hurt and pilled up thought he was faking it.
@WhatCulture Wrestling Rock leaves for Hollywood at age 29, with several good years left and when the company was really needing him to step up again (He stays and no reign of terror?) Cena leaves for Hollywood at age 44 after wrestling solidly for two decades while carrying the company on his back and with his best years behind him is him becoming the Rock? You need to re evaluate that one. Plus several of these examples were of guys going from a bad situation to a much better one. How exactly is that them become everything they hated?? You are usually better prepared than this.
@@dhenderson1810 Nah, it 's because Jericho hasn't been very entertaining or actually good in AEW... His first gimmick there was the same bland list thing he did in WWE but under a slightly altered name in AEW. His stables in AEW have done nothing positive for the other people in them, so they're just continously wasting time with that. Yet, in spite of this, he took (half-valid) shots at WWE creative for being terrible, even though his own creative things post WWE have all been rubbish... And i might sound like i hate the guy, but i don't, have actually liked him since the WCW days. It's just sad to see him now...
@@dhenderson1810 I don't need Jim Cornette to tell me how I think. I see a washed-up has-been who's sticking around longer than he should. But that's what happens with too many wrestlers, unfortunately. Jericho was abso-fucking-lutely awesome for a very long time, but not anymore.
The difference between John and Dwayne is simply the fact that even though John left for acting he has never disputed giving WWE their cut from his profits as he has said he owes WWE everything. Dwayne used to be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson in his movies but after dropping the rock name from the screen he noticed he gets more money. Dwayne is all ego and John is more humble
Shawn Michaels coming back for one more match was good, because number 1 people will now sftu about having another match as they see e is cooked. and number 2 being retired doesn't mean that you will never wrestle again, it just means that you awill never work again in your life, it just means committed to that role and you are free to do whatever you want, so a match here and there over a large amount of time isn't out of the question
Seriously bad Jericho take, these lists often times feel like they’re put together by 16 year olds. Comparing current Jericho to NWO Hogan is laughable.
For all the people ripping on Stone Cold , the heel turn actually made him better , showed that rattlesnakes can be tamed but ... only for a while ...( the anti-hero thing would have become old if he kep[t doing it ad infinatum )
Jericho did not became what he hated , hell nah , he is someone who works with younger talents to give them spotlights and help and train them a bit , when Jericho was in WCW no one did this for him
I think Jericho still has a lot left in him, but he should have done what he did best in WWE, step away for a while, give the fans some time to miss him and then come back and reinvent himself
John Cena ditching the WWE for Hollywood is different from when The Rock did it. Cena was a full time wrestler much longer than The Rock was and he was much older when he made the switch. The Rock was at his physical peak when he left for Hollywood (was he even 30?).
Will smith’s biggest problem long before the slap was his ego. He turned down Django because he thought he knew more about making movies than terentino. MiB was his chance to be humble, show the studios he wasn’t a liability, and he blew it. 70 million for any movie is a ridiculous payday, and he wants 110? A salary like that has too high a chance of blowing the budget and making in an instant flop. Sony should have offered him 15mil max, and that is being generous
Yeah I got one. CM Punk called Cena a dynasty. . .look at him now. . .a dynasty of an overrated wrestler. . .and a character that I can never understand
He still peeled off his moonsault to the floor, but they failed to catch him; Shawn also realised he had to carry the match like it was 1995 after Triple H went down with a torn pec in the early minutes, which he was NOT ready for...
Cena ruined the potential of Theory and Solo. We will never know what could of been (good or bad) for them cause the "Cena Rub" ended up being a curse. Solo seems to be recovering now but Theory...not so much.
To really be fair to HBK, he wasn't expected to do a lot in the match. Triple H was reported to have said he was to do most of the work for his team in the match, but he got injured early in the match.
Shawn would've been fine in the ring if he did a match with a younger guy like Styles. Even Kevin Owens has asked him and Shawn had said no due to the Saudi debacle. And we all know that Kev can carry a legend to a good match even main eventing a Mania. Heck I would love to see HBK vs Waller because of their past history in NXT. HBK vs DB would've been generational. I wish we had that instead of the Saudi match. Sadly HBK chose money over dignity
My issue with Jericho isn't even what he's doing...it's that he was extremely vocal about leaving WWE because he didn't want to be stuck in the same spot putting people over...the same damn thing he's been doing in AEW
I'm tired of hearing Chris Jericho is taking away TV time from younger talent. Let's be real, he's taking TV time away from jobbers. At the end of the day Tony Khan books Chris Jericho on the card every week just like he books MJF, Will Osprey, Swerve Strickland, Orange Cassidy, and Jon Moxley on the card every week. My point is if Chris Jericho is taking up too much TV time, he's not the only one. But to answer the question, it went wrong for Chris Jericho outside of the ring when he defended AEW and trashed WWE on Twitter. As far as inside the ring, Jericho Appreciation Society and The Learning Tree caused his downfall when it should have caused him more success if done right. Just mix the two gimmicks together and have Chris Jericho teach wrestlers how to be more like Chris Jericho, molding them into past versions of himself until they turn on him and one of them (Sammy Guevara) eventually retires Chris Jericho for good.
that's the key to the story a character LA didn't know how to portray. So he cost two superstars their jobs all for him for revert to an old gimmick, cause was too good to commit to a new character.
The fact that Vince didn’t see anything in la knight just proves that Vince lost touch a long time ago
Vince never lost touch, he just has a firm grip only for himself and no one else.
he honestly got a lot more credit than he deserved. Hulk was already a pretty big name in wresting before he recruited him in the territory days. Jim Ross was the head of talent relations during that time, and found a lot of the talent during the attitude era. I would actually say that Paul Heyman was better, Vince just had the better timing.
@@nalaka3488 Vince was smart enough to use his money to get wrestlers from other territories to come work for him
As much as Vince did for the industry itself, WWE was truly his personal toybox in most of its eras
The Attitude Era was pure fan service because there was competition, not because thats what Vince wanted to give
No
He didn’t see anything in him because HE HAS SEEN HIM BEFORE!
Something admirable about John Ché-na in this context is that he has fully owned how wrong he was publically.
What he did to the nexus for sure. And yeah at least he did admit he was wrong with what he said
He’s still got a big mouth!
You might as well have put the title as "10 Wrestlers Who Lived Long Enough To See Themselves Become the Villain"...
Long title
In pro wrestling villains are the heels so it wouldn't made much sense
Or ten wrestlers who fans turned on, because wrestling fans are fickle.
Missed opportunity
@@dhenderson1810Nahhhh every WCW documentary Jericho cried about how he didn’t get a chance because the old stars wouldn’t give up their spot…..now look at him😂
Roman becoming brock during his record breaking reign, not defending or even being around for months.
Leaving both brands with 1 champion to go after, when they weren't even there!?
At least he was still part of the story in the background while he was gone. Brock just popped up when they needed Brock.
You forgot Roman becoming a part-timer.
Bro has well documented health issues... that and being in the position hes in.. he doesnt NEED to be full time
But remember he talked about brock be a part timer. He hated brock being gone with the world title and now he’s doing the same thing.
@@YooThatsMike05 Clearly a scripted promo he was forced to read out
@@RowdySDCexactly. That’s the only thing Roman had over Brock at that time to not get boo’d.. even though it still happened.
CM punk not being mentioned in comments or showing up in this video just shows how moronic his fans are. He went from screaming how he puts in his time and deserves to be #1 guy. Look where he is now, seth and drew wrestling consistently only to be buried after having to carry matches for punk. Punk wrestling once every 5 months and is so prone to injury that even his table bumps look like he is being lowered into the table. This guy is going to win the belt from either cody or gunther and then provide even worse title defense than roman reigns. All you clowns will be quiet though, unlike with saying how roman defends his title once every few months.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."
No. It's either "die a martyr or live long enough to be what you hate".
@@HansenSebastian I took the line from The Dark Knight, Harvey Dent's "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Which is probably based off of that line.
Just remember, Cena wrestled full time more than twice as long as the Rock and wrestled almost 2300 matches, compared to less than 900 for the Rock.
Cena have also put guys over as of late.
Yet The Rock helped make WWE what it is today as he was one of the key pieces of the company going public! And during the Cena years he was a key reason why people stopped watching
@@Greatnes2009 and I also remember the Rock saying the WWE was his home. And remember his speech when Steve Austin walked out in 2002 when he said if you didn't want to be in the WWE, get the F out. I guess he didn't want to be in the WWE because he was gone soon after that.
@ Rock didn’t leave until 04 and technically they didn’t renew his contract in 04 that speech he gave to Austin was in 02 and God forbid someone goes out and has another career for himself and oh yea by the way the Rock is still in wrestling….so what are you saying?
@@Greatnes2009 Rock last wrestled on TV in 2003. That is when I consider his full time career to end. Also, he didn't wrestle for almost a year between Goldberg at Backlash in 2003 and WrestleMania 20.
The thing I don't get about people being mad at Chris Jericho for taking tv time and belts from younger, up-and- coming wrestlers is that people are so excited for John Cena to be in the Royal Rumble and get a belt again to break the record. He will be doing the exact same thing - taking wins and a belt from wrestlers who are in WWE day in, day out!
Cena hasn’t won a TV match in over 2000 days. Very different from Jericho who has probably politicked himself to win 5 championships in the last few years
@@RockApe_ Because he hasn't wrestled full time since 2018! I'm not saying it's right that Jericho wins all these belts and has all this TV time but I don't think Cena should be winning Rumbles and belts either. It'd just be like the Rock nearly nicking Cody's spot at Wrestlemania 40. Cena will be taking the spots from someone who's there and wrestling year round. Not just popping up now and then in-between making films and filming Peacemaker!
I would support Cena becoming 17 times world champion only if he turns heel but maybe I am hoping for too much
I think it’s because people are aware that he is most likely to lose and set up a final retirement match with whoever eliminates him.
Kinda like what was supposed to happen with Undertaker and Roman Reigns in 2017.
Well that’s just my take, could be wrong.
@@da_gang4life Ooooh I never thought of that! Thank you for sharing your take with me. I hope that is what happens!
Undertaker said in an interview in the early to mid 2000s during his biker gimmick that he has no desire to stick around so long that people who saw him earlier in his career feel bad for him. He knew it then, that staying too long would ruin a legacy, hell he even saw it first hand when Ric Flair did it in TNA, and yet he still could not resist and ended up tarnishing his legacy during his old age despite younger Undertaker being fully aware of the risks.
Roman Reigns as well. And I'm not talking about his health issues either. Dude had no business being world champion for 3 years. When he literally did nothing. It was all handed to him due to his famous family
agreed and Roman complaining about Brock being apart timer never defending the title he did the same thing
I mean we were also in the middle of a pandemic too? I don't think Roman's part time status is the same thing as Brock just not being bothered to show up. Like I don't think y'all actually grasp how serious leukaemia actually is
@@david-p8e6o Different story. Roman had leukemia and even when he's on remission, going full time like others would be risky as it would sideline him and worsen the leukemia. Brock is just too healthy to compete, but chooses to show up only when he wants to on his own terms.
@@HansenSebastian another Roman fanboy making excuses for him using the leukaemia crap which he never had should have been stripped off the title then if it were true sick of part time champions Goldberg Brock and roman he became a hypocrite dont give me that he had leukaemia nonsense
CM Punk became the corporate, Cena-esque figure he despised. And unlike Cena, he hasn't apologized for running his mouth
He's acting as if he was a victim of a very large conspiracy against him in AEW when in fact, he and the Elite just didn't agree on how to lead the company. Both the group and punk acted like children. Since punk knows he can't throw around his temper tantrums like he did in AEW as he'll be kicked out of the only promotion he can retire peacefully. So he's on his best behaviour in WWE.
Let’s be real…. John Cena did not do what the Rock did.
-John Cena made his debut in OVW in 2000.
-Signed to WWE officially in 2001.
-He made his main roster debut 2002.
-2002-2017 he was full-time. (15 years)
-2018-now he’s part time.
He put in more work than The Rock. He was also “THE” #1 WWE ambassador.
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-The Rock began wrestling in 1996
-Debut in November 1996 for WWF
-Unofficially the Rock became a part timer in 2002, and you could definitely argue 2001.
-2004 he retired
-2011 to now he’s been a part timer. Having less than 15 matches since 2003
-And to add on to that unofficially retired point
2000- 152 matches
2001- 91 matches
2002- 36 matches
2003- 7 matches
2004- 1 match
Etc etc etc
2013 he gave us his most matches in the last 15 years…. 3.
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# of matches currently
The Rock- 855
John Cena- 2,297
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The rock also spent a few years trying to get rid of the wrestling aspect of his career especially during the beginning of his movie career. Only to come back & pretend that he didn’t actively participate in denouncing it (in the nicest way possible).
Cena literally has given back to WWE every chance he has gotten.
You're not wrong but I think The Rock tried to get rid of the wrestling aspect because Vince was trying to be involved in every project The Rock was doing, that's why he started using his real name when doing movies later on
@ I agree with that assessment. Heck I also think that WWE wasn’t the end all be all for him either. It was just something he knew he could do, and he had an easier way into the industry. But I also for sure think that once he got a taste of Hollywood. He knew what the true goal was.
In fact…. Although he is box office. I think that if his time in Hollywood was reviewed better. We’d see him even less than we do today. Because although he’s been apart of a hit franchise in Jumanji & the Fast series. He’s yet to be a successful leading man in any of his standalone movies. (In fact all of his “solo” movies include other A list celebrities)
Lol, and that’s not a full blown shot. I’m actually a huge fan of the Rock/Dwayne. I really enjoyed Red Ones & Red Notice…. I also thought he did okay in Black Adam too. Of course there’s a strong bias there considering I’m a huge wrestling fan, and he’s one of my childhood idols. But the movie buff/critique in me will never ignore the obvious.
@@domwuz144 lol, you have 0 clue what giving back means, the rock was jobbing many times in his career, while cena may have fought many more matches but won most of the time, maybe giving back to people who love seeing him and the boss, but not to the roster as much as the rock did, the rock also stepped into hollywood to give the new guys the spotlight, and he was never seen as the number 1 guy, it was always austin, they even credit austin for why rock got to the top, it was time for the rock to move on, so should you, orton is in his 40s and still remains in wwe, cena split to hollywood, which means cena is still similar to the rock
Stone Cold in 2001 post WM through the Alliance was outstanding.
Jericho is the best example.
and Jericho is the living breathing example of how he hated about WCW.
Jericho was the young guy that hated the old guys who ruled the business.
For a time CM Punk was the HHH of AEW: someone who rose to the top because of his close relationship with the boss, took forever to get to the ring before giving long promos of things you knew he was going to say, always in the World Title Scene, and was allowed to have backstage power on one show - even using said power to hold back other people.
Jericho is doing all this ironically. It's legitimately his Learning Tree gimmick.
The only thing Big Bill can do wrong is lose matches, and that's the only time the fans boo. He's gonna get a big push off the tail end of this, which has happened since the 70s when it comes to egotistical, leadership roles in stables.
Agreed. Jericho is parodying himself and hopefully Big Bill gets a nuclear push out of it.
So ironic that he's ratings poison.
They wont push bill, all the uppers at AEW dont like vig guys because there small little men
Where's CM Punk on this list? That guy LITERALLY turned his back to what his career has been about for the last 13 years in just the last 3.
didn't he acknowledge what happened between him and WWE in the promo war vs Seth Rollins?
@@SoupDealerwell he didn't accept the fact that he was an ungrateful self righteous idiot with the longest WWE title run in WWE at that time. He couldn't draw as much as Cena so WWE had to put the championship back on Cena's shoulder. Yes I do agree that WWE did dirty to him by him not having a threeway match with Rock and Cena at WrestleMania.
I notice Stone Cold didn't walk out during his heel run, he walked out when he had been a babyface again for 6 months. I think he had a problem with not being champ anymore. He was still champ as a heel, for his longest ever time. But he walked out when it was clear he was no longer the man, HHH had his big return and Stone Cold had to put over Brock. I don't blame him as such, apart from his 10 months out with injury he was pretty much the man for 4 years. Not being in the main event made him think something was missing.
It's not the same for Cena. First, The Rock conquered Hollywood (for awhile), Cena just works there. Another difference is Rock was almost a decade younger when he stopped wrestling. Cena was basically 40 and had a full career. He didn't leave much meat left on the wrestling table while The Rock left a TON.
Jericho should be number 1 on the list. His hypocrisy is worse than Cena's.
Punk becoming the veteran who refuses to put anyone over. Hence, he has always been that way, just not a veteran.
DAMN: Vince didn't like ANYBODY who made a name for themselves outside of WWF/E. Even worse he hated Deans: Dean Douglas, Dean Malenko, Simon Dean & Dean Ambrose. All of them had a terrible gimmick or run under his watch.
The best jump from WWE to AEW was Bryan Danielson.
I think it’s swerve. He was never gonna be world champ in WWE.
Best WWE to AEW has gotta be Swerve. No offense to Mox, but the reinvention of Swerve has been incredible.
I’ll always like heel Austin
My heart breaks for the 4 dudes who had to work through that DX/ BOD match. Injuries and accidents plagued that one.
Regarding Shane Douglas and the faking injury rumours, Scott Hall talked about it in his shoot interview and was regretful. Shane was hurt, but Hall had also been working hurt and told Shane to just take some fucking pills.
This interview having been years later, Hall was more reflective of that and how taking pills just to continue wasn't the best idea. So yeah, the "faking it" was just him not working hurt, though at the time based on how wrestling was, everyone who was working hurt and pilled up thought he was faking it.
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Rock leaves for Hollywood at age 29, with several good years left and when the company was really needing him to step up again (He stays and no reign of terror?)
Cena leaves for Hollywood at age 44 after wrestling solidly for two decades while carrying the company on his back and with his best years behind him is him becoming the Rock?
You need to re evaluate that one.
Plus several of these examples were of guys going from a bad situation to a much better one. How exactly is that them become everything they hated??
You are usually better prepared than this.
You guys actually made me fall asleep all the time 😂. I love your videos, but i swear you, but a sleep curse on me
Saaaame 😂
I put them on before I go to sleep
It sad for me to see chris Jericho get hated because he's one of my all-time favorites in my top three
It's because Jim Cornette told them to hate him.
@dhenderson1810 dang
@@dhenderson1810 Nah, it 's because Jericho hasn't been very entertaining or actually good in AEW...
His first gimmick there was the same bland list thing he did in WWE but under a slightly altered name in AEW.
His stables in AEW have done nothing positive for the other people in them, so they're just continously wasting time with that.
Yet, in spite of this, he took (half-valid) shots at WWE creative for being terrible, even though his own creative things post WWE have all been rubbish...
And i might sound like i hate the guy, but i don't, have actually liked him since the WCW days.
It's just sad to see him now...
@@dhenderson1810 I don't need Jim Cornette to tell me how I think. I see a washed-up has-been who's sticking around longer than he should. But that's what happens with too many wrestlers, unfortunately. Jericho was abso-fucking-lutely awesome for a very long time, but not anymore.
1:43 CM Punk, first appearance. Even Jim Cornette praised Tony for not getting involved in it and letting Punk do his thing
The difference between John and Dwayne is simply the fact that even though John left for acting he has never disputed giving WWE their cut from his profits as he has said he owes WWE everything. Dwayne used to be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson in his movies but after dropping the rock name from the screen he noticed he gets more money. Dwayne is all ego and John is more humble
Shawn Michaels coming back for one more match was good, because number 1 people will now sftu about having another match as they see e is cooked. and number 2 being retired doesn't mean that you will never wrestle again, it just means that you awill never work again in your life, it just means committed to that role and you are free to do whatever you want, so a match here and there over a large amount of time isn't out of the question
your thumbnail has me trying to figure out how chris jericho transformed into Nash.
I think Moxley is becoming what he hated now too; pushing his story and assuming it’s great to dwindling ratings, just like Vince.
Id give Cena this he left when he didnt have much left in the tank while id argue rock left when he still had a lot more to give.
The best jump to AEW was CM Punk.
Great video
I was 4 when the Rock starred in The Mummy returns and I was happy for him.
2:19: "Mouth-piss"? 🤣🤣
Seriously bad Jericho take, these lists often times feel like they’re put together by 16 year olds. Comparing current Jericho to NWO Hogan is laughable.
You're right, Hogan was over
Anti establishment DX became the establishment
For all the people ripping on Stone Cold , the heel turn actually made him better , showed that rattlesnakes can be tamed
but ... only for a while ...( the anti-hero thing would have become old if he kep[t doing it ad infinatum )
Best WWE to AEW would have to be Brodie Lee
shawn michaels and aj styles would been a dream match a awesome match
Jericho did not became what he hated , hell nah , he is someone who works with younger talents to give them spotlights and help and train them a bit , when Jericho was in WCW no one did this for him
I think Jericho still has a lot left in him, but he should have done what he did best in WWE, step away for a while, give the fans some time to miss him and then come back and reinvent himself
If I was someone from DX, I'd send Shawn and Hunter a card every year reminding them they are now feds and can suuuuuuck it haha🤣 as a rib of course
Jericho needs to quit wrestling and focus more on Fozzy.
John Cena ditching the WWE for Hollywood is different from when The Rock did it. Cena was a full time wrestler much longer than The Rock was and he was much older when he made the switch. The Rock was at his physical peak when he left for Hollywood (was he even 30?).
When I was a kid I loved red rooster and I still do. Red rooster 🐓 is my tribal cheif
Will smith’s biggest problem long before the slap was his ego. He turned down Django because he thought he knew more about making movies than terentino. MiB was his chance to be humble, show the studios he wasn’t a liability, and he blew it. 70 million for any movie is a ridiculous payday, and he wants 110? A salary like that has too high a chance of blowing the budget and making in an instant flop. Sony should have offered him 15mil max, and that is being generous
How does THAT relate to wrestling? This isn't about celebs who became what they wish they weren't.
@@HansenSebastian lol! i was typing it on a different video, and then it switched to this one while i was typing
Shawn was the best of the four in that match
The franchise was a star in wcw and ecw
How Jericho is a world champion is beyond me. He really needs to give others a chance with a world title
"Wrestlers who wanted to keep getting paid"
Now la knight is a super star
Yeah I got one. CM Punk called Cena a dynasty. . .look at him now. . .a dynasty of an overrated wrestler. . .and a character that I can never understand
If you cant understand his character thats on you
Special mention : Shawn Michaels in ‘96 really didn’t like the idea of being a ‘white meat’ babyface 😆
An issue with the Shawn take: he delivered in ring in Saudi. It’s just no one else did
He still peeled off his moonsault to the floor, but they failed to catch him; Shawn also realised he had to carry the match like it was 1995 after Triple H went down with a torn pec in the early minutes, which he was NOT ready for...
Wonder if Michael's could deliver one last great match and redeem himself or if that tag match is how some will view him as a worker
john cena has given us about 15 years of his life on tv and don't forget the injuries. The rock gave us maybe 8 years and went ghost.
the rock also put more people over in 8 years than cena did in those 15 years, he has every rights to leave
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 who did the rock really put over?
not that it matters
Cena ruined the potential of Theory and Solo. We will never know what could of been (good or bad) for them cause the "Cena Rub" ended up being a curse. Solo seems to be recovering now but Theory...not so much.
I thought about Cena when I saw the title of this video.
The title of the vide doesnt match anything you said
As soon as I see WhatCulture make bad Jericho takes again in a video, I just move on to a new video.
Jericho is the modern-day Hogan. Politicking all day in Tony's ear.
The best WWE to AEW jump are Dean Ambrose and Chris Jericho
Swerve might be just because he went from nothing to main eventer
@EddieGlover-rs8vr fair point
When was Shane Douglas not 2nd rate? Like HHH said about Daniel Bryan, Shane Douglas was a B+ player and that's pretty good
To be fair to HBK, though, he was STILL the best performer in that match. lol
To really be fair to HBK, he wasn't expected to do a lot in the match. Triple H was reported to have said he was to do most of the work for his team in the match, but he got injured early in the match.
0:17 Shot across the bow... rhymes with ow, not oh.
Shot across the 'bough'. Rhymes with 'how'.
This is just 10 wrestlers who had to deal with bad gimmicks for a while. Or were chickens everything that Terry Taylor hated?
Nobody gained jumping from WWE to aew , john moxely alone lost atleast 10 million fans by the move . Only those gained who were let go by WWE anyway
#1 was obvious. And accurate.
Obviously it was John moxley
Jericho needs to retire
Being pro Rock doesn't mean you guys have to ignore Cena's 2015-17 full time run. Plus Cena even did Rock's acting job better than him 😂🤷🏾♂️
Cena is also easier to deal with one movie sets and doesn't make demands like the Rock.
Missed a great opportunity to show an R-Truth image at 7:58
Crazy Austin was fun. Not a great example there.
Shawn was the best in that match tho😢😅
Shawn would've been fine in the ring if he did a match with a younger guy like Styles. Even Kevin Owens has asked him and Shawn had said no due to the Saudi debacle. And we all know that Kev can carry a legend to a good match even main eventing a Mania. Heck I would love to see HBK vs Waller because of their past history in NXT.
HBK vs DB would've been generational. I wish we had that instead of the Saudi match. Sadly HBK chose money over dignity
Ol Chris Geriatricho wrasslin at All Elderly Wrestling.
Jerinash is a good name
Jericho still wrestles better matches than Nash.
And doesn't get as injured.
#8 and Val Venis
No cm punk??? Throw this crap out
Where is Roman Reigns? This guy hated part timers and he become one 🤷♂️
Cm punk for sure
HBK was the only decent part of that tag match. Another bad take guys…..
Welcome to wrestling 🤣🤦♂️
Oh my
Jericho needs to retire from the ring. He should be the booker for AEW. Jericho would be a 100% better storyteller than Tony Khan.
Sasha Banks had the best debut. Glad her career got fixed unlike what WWE did to her on the main roster.
My issue with Jericho isn't even what he's doing...it's that he was extremely vocal about leaving WWE because he didn't want to be stuck in the same spot putting people over...the same damn thing he's been doing in AEW
I'm tired of hearing Chris Jericho is taking away TV time from younger talent. Let's be real, he's taking TV time away from jobbers. At the end of the day Tony Khan books Chris Jericho on the card every week just like he books MJF, Will Osprey, Swerve Strickland, Orange Cassidy, and Jon Moxley on the card every week. My point is if Chris Jericho is taking up too much TV time, he's not the only one.
But to answer the question, it went wrong for Chris Jericho outside of the ring when he defended AEW and trashed WWE on Twitter. As far as inside the ring, Jericho Appreciation Society and The Learning Tree caused his downfall when it should have caused him more success if done right. Just mix the two gimmicks together and have Chris Jericho teach wrestlers how to be more like Chris Jericho, molding them into past versions of himself until they turn on him and one of them (Sammy Guevara) eventually retires Chris Jericho for good.
The jealousy for Chris Jericho is astonishing. 🤷🏻♂️
Moxley is the ONLY person who benefits from the jump. Mox is TRASH...now Mox is in the TRASH aew
that's the key to the story a character LA didn't know how to portray. So he cost two superstars their jobs all for him for revert to an old gimmick, cause was too good to commit to a new character.
10 gay politically charged opinions.