This is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. The taunting, the laughing the pushing him down. Oh my God the discard for their friend who is stabbed? This generation is the most disgusting era of young people ever.
People are getting stabbed and you are sitting here talking sh!t? Jesus you guys, he punched a girl to start this whole thing off! You’re really going to justify the stabbing because of some taunting? Nothing got physical until he punched that girl, and I’m sorry, but stabbing is not ok under any circumstances unless it is in real self-defense. They were telling him to leave, and he could have left and this would have never happened. It was definitely in a really annoying and mean way that they were treating him, but it was words. Words do not justify STABBING PEOPLE!
They are just normal kids no different to kids 100, 50 & 20 yrs ago. Kids doing kid things. Miu grabbed one kid then hit a woman b4 any of the teenagers touched him.
He came over to them twice. They told him multiple times to leave. They did assault him, but that’s not the question. The question was whether the force he used was justified, and it wasn’t. Not every single assault/attack warrants stabbing people.
@@HighTech636 No they were surrounding him yelling at him, taunting him, and started beating the shit out of him! He doesn't have a duty to retreat any more than they do. They could have walked away AS WELL.
@@exiled1gaming Multiple people said he slapped the girl first, which makes sense because the first kid that pushed him down, leans over and gives him a light slap across the face (payback for the first slap) then walks away. One of the kids he stabbed wasn’t even looking at him and had his arm out to break up the fight. He was examined for injuries and they found nothing. Not even a scratch. And you call that beating the shit out of him?
2 people tried to help him. Its also important to point out you'd likely do the same. They werent sitting there logically thinking out thier actions and you wouldnt either. They saw blood and thier brain said gtfo, thier body fell in line.
@@iinhalecrackers7376 The video didn't capture it so I'm glad to know someone(s) were there for him. Thankfully I have not been in a situation like this and blessed be may i never. I don't know what my brain would think but you're probably right, run for you life.
Yep, not one of them! That is so true, and you can see right in the testimony and all the follow-up footage that no one called 911, no one came to try to help they're dying friend, and that no one's lives were saved because of it. You can tell in all of the follow-up videos and the body cams that everybody ran away and were nowhere to be found after the fact. You can tell that all five people actually died from their stab wounds and that no one helped them at all to get out of the water or stop the bleeding. You know what they say... You should never run from a guy with a knife! They also say that when knife wounds happen, they're very obvious immediately and there's unlikely to be a few moments before you notice. That was also clear in the testimony from all these Witnesses. I mean everybody knows that! So sad. I'm glad you pointed this out...
@@brassmasterg Almost everything you said was incorrect. Just swinging and missing all over the place. 1) 911 was called almost immediately. 2) People went to help the dying friend, and he did not die. the video lasts for like a minute...do you think you saw everything that happened in a couple minutes? 3) People ran away to the riverbank. They didn't run from the scene to be "nowhere to be found after the fact". The police took statements from everyone. 4) 1 out of the 5 people died from their stab wounds, because he was stabbed directly in the heart--not all 5 of them. Can you read? 5) "never run from a guy with knife" I have never heard this in my life and it makes no sense at all. Running from people with weapons trying to hurt you certainly makes more sense than sticking around. 6)"when knife wounds happen, they're very obvious immediately and there's unlikely to be a few moments before you notice." How about if there's 13 very drunk people in a moving river with a ton of intertubes interspersed among them while they are making very loud noises, yelling at each other and pushing and shoving? It honestly comes across like you missed almost all of the details of the case when reacting to this information. Nothing you said was a conclusion that should be drawn from the information and facts provided. I'm astonished at how wrong you were on pretty much everything. Maybe go over the details again and try to rethink and draw some new ideas. I think you did not get a proper grasp of what happened here, to be honest.
No joke, before even reading any comments, that’s exactly what I said out loud when I finished watching the video for the first time just now. I am 48 years old and that phrase is perfect for what we just witnessed.
This is why you shouldn’t harass people and should care for peoples mental health and teach your children that. Or the next thing you hear, your teenage song drinking on his trip getting rowdy might end up dead. This was not deserved BUT this is exactly why you should NOT do this type of poking fun to strangers. They legit induced some sort of mental/drunken attack by the dude from the constant laughing at him. I’m not fond of a dude with a knife in public who is THAT close to psychotic and stabbing people don’t get me wrong.
@fum8168 Well, they were pretty stupid for antagonizing someone holding a knife, wouldn't you say? Congrats on being the grand prize winner of the Darwin Awards.
@@scottjoren3466 Watch the video again. He keeps his hand at his pocket periodically to check that his knife is there, then again when he feels confronted and threatened to pull it out in front of the women. None of them saw the knife. He made sure to hold it low and never communicated that he would use it if they touched him. I have a CPL and in training we were instructed to only use if the other person had a weapon of threat to our life (knife included) and would not back down when we pulled it out and threatened them to back off. Miu was using a knife in this case but he did not brandish the knife and communicate to a single person that he was going to use it. No one even noticed that he had a knife until he'd already stabbed a few people and they were trying to back away/push him away from them, at which he lunged at them a few times stabbing them when they obviously knew he had a deadly weapon, couldn't kill him, and were just trying to create some distance. No one expected him to come stabbing when they threw him on the ground for hitting the woman when she was being dumb and provoking him. No one had a weapon good enough to kill him like a knife, only the ratio of people ganging up on him could justify that he saw a threat for his life. But he failed to do proper protocol of warning them, so it's his fault, not the kids. I'm sure if they saw him waving the knife around and yelling not to come near him they would have retreated. He clearly was ready to use the knife and looked for the first opportunity of being attacked first (except for the fact that he did it first when he hit the girl and knocked her sunglasses off) in order to use it. Those kids should have not tried to drown him in the water and beat his face after they pushed him, because at that point it became a fight rather than taunting and pushing him away from the group and trying to get him to leave. He probably felt like he was going to drown and had little chance of fighting back against so many people. But it does not absolve Miu of his crime, especially in the way he did it with intent to harm rather than defend, even lashing out well after people had realized the situation and tried backing away. He planned for this resort to happen and he knew what he was doing when he plunged the knife deep into the abdomen of the orange shorts guy, twisting it upward to gut him. He was angry in those stabs and doing it out of revenge, lighter slices, not pointing the tip upward, and showing them the blade openly first would have been used to avoid killing anyone. Miu clearly came prepared for an altercation. They were all on alcohol so they made the wrong decisions and it got violent. Because Miu was terrible at communicating and acted creepy the whole time, starting with his act of rummaging in their tubes and touching their legs without their consent, which seems to be motivated by a belief on his side that these young adults/teenagers had taken his friend's phone and snatched up his goggled when he dropped them. He doesen't even get the clueless immigrant card because he only lived in Romania for his first 12 years and spent the rest of his life in the US, even managing to get a PhD in engineering. He's fully capable of english, public speaking, and rational thought. And even though he was drunk he managed to think of discarding the knife in the woods and trying to pretend he was innocent, even twisting the events to the police before they revealed there was footage. Those kids were not well behaved and shouldn't have escalated it. Most of all, that girl shouldn't have walked up to them and gotten involved since she had nothing to do with them. She was very drunk, pushy and obviously aggravating and cornering him. Because he hit her and hitting women/girls is a no-no, those boys immediately jumped in. If it weren't for the woman intigating further beyond the jeering and all of them agreeing to walk away/talk it out, this wouldn't have happend, bcause all in all it truly was a misunderstanding. We only heard the side of the kids and nothing from th guy, so evryone assumd he was a pedo/rapist. H should have tried to clarify clearly that he meant no harm and was looking for a phone. Unfortunately that chance was ruind when he came up to them smiling silntly and rummaging all up in their business. You can't excuse violating someone's boundaries like that to looking for a phone, and automatically assuming these random kids took it. Both the kids and Miu have impulse and emotional regaulatory issues, as well as communication issues. The kids were rightly wierded out about him being a creep when he touched their legs looking for the phone, but they shouldn't have escalated it into mob mntality jeering, accusations, etc. and trying to egg him on to violence without hearing him out about what all that was. And While he tried to leave and they told him to leave, for some reason both sides wanted to keep trailing each other, which is extremely dumb. Miu had multipl openings he could have walked away in but I don't think he could travel fast and was trying to assess the confusing situation while waiting for somone from his party he flagged down to come over. Both sides were guilty of different charges, and that's why the guy changed up his story to avoid responsibility and the kids did as well because the situation was not so one sided and they had to make their side look better to avoid punishment. I'm sure if Miu had waited longer to resort to the knife, his friends from his party not far away would have come running over to break up the fight of these kids ganging up on and almost drowning an old man. It takes a while to kill someone with your bare fists/legs (even with water involved), but it only takes 1 stab to the heart which he did to one of the boys to end his life. He was trying to resort to murder way too early without communicating anything that it's just not justified and looks like he was blood hungry, even if the reality may be different. If there's a lesson to learn from this, cut back on the alcohol when going tubing, mind your own business, and if people get hostile, communicate clearly and walk away. Don't let your ego get in the way.
The Guy is laying there bleeding, the victim walks away and the cowards are yelling "Let's go". Such cowards. Not even helping a guy bleeding, but making a selfie-video instead. Just a bunch of pathetic excuses for human beings.
Those kids are in shock seeing their friends intestines spilling out of his stomach. Are you expecting them to push his guts back inside and sew him up? If anyones pathetic its you for instantly making this about how guilty innocent bystanders are
@@Skully917 But moments before, more than a dozen people were screaming, laughing at him, taunting and physically attacking him. Could have Mui tried to leave? Certainly, but ultimately the unruly young adults, as only one was under age, brought this upon themselves. “You back a man in a corner, you gotta bear the consequences when he does what he has to do to fight his way out.”
@@Skully917that is cowardice in true definition. You don’t get to prove you’re not a coward by doing nothing when hard things happen. That’s precisely when you prove you’re not a coward
@@eatsleepvNo one ate tide pods for fun. You’re good to hate on this generation but you yourself are dumb enough to believe anything you read on the internet. There was a total of 37 cases of people who suffered from detergent poisoning and only half was intentional. 18 people out of millions is hardly something to use if you want a blame a generation for something. The media went berserk because some people suggested to do it on the Internet, that doesn’t mean people actually did. Except for those 18.
@@southmountain111Bc his friend just got murdered infront of him? Like tf an old dude like that gets taunted a little bit and resorts to automatically stabbed to death lmaooo these comments are disgusting
The teens collided into the knife he was holding. He can't help that. The bullies should've seen him holding a knife but they were too drunk & belligerent to notice. That sucks for them but they clearly ran into the knife 🔪 he was holding.
@@taylormcfadden558 are you special needs? Dudes getting flat out attacked. It's now a situation where if he goes down again they could kick him in the head. There's a video of a skinny guy kicking some old dude in the head during a BLM riot in 2020. One kick... dude died. You can search that video up real easy. Try waking up.
@@taylormcfadden558if touch means punched pushed n kicked then fuck yea u can defend yourself … there would of been no situation if it wasn’t for these kids…
@@sharon4094 Lol! The Republicans covertly support the satanic policies the Demoncrats overtly support. Teams red and blue are both complicit in the destruction of this nation.
@@paprapple9398 Actually the teenagers were gen Z and were accusing the defendant of being a p*dophile. So yes Mr Magoo it has to "do with the case." It shows us how horrible these kids are. Watching the video with sound has turned my opinion of this case 180 degrees.
I was all about hating on this guy until I saw the video. Now I’m not at all convinced that he is guilty. He was totally outnumbered and definitely had reasons to fear for his safety.
I feel the exact same way. The only thing holding me back even a little is - I don't know why the guy approached the teens to begin with. If the reason is out there, I'd love to know.
@@JR-ii5dethey were taunting him for looking at the younger girls. Called him Ped-O and several other obnoxious rants. But……..he DID have every opportunity to ignore it and keep on floating down the river. Instead, he escalated everything and now look where it got him. 🤷♀️
Two people who were there trying to deescalate the situation were gutted. I think the fault is with the older generation who concealed his weapon and indiscriminately stabbed people, no?
That sad part is that not one of his “boys” helped him as he bled out. One literally stood there saying he is dying and another just kept recording and recorded himself. Instead of calling 911 he is filming 🤦🏼♀️
@@ooyoututchmytralalasure sure, thing is on a battlefield you get shot the heart the medic still tries to hold you together because that slim chance is always better than the alternative. It wasnt the heart btw check obit
The water helped him bleed out too. What these kids did trying to jump this man was the stupidest decision of their lives. Don’t bully and attack people. Simple.
@@ooyoututchmytralala he was stabbed in stomach area I believe. I’m not talking about where on his body he was stabbed. I am addressing that no one came to his aid. No one tried tying something around him to stop the bleeding. He was by himself.
That's Right. He's the type of younger man who also stabs people. So that goes for messing with the younger man too right? Because then you get to see what kind of younger man he was, I mean still is? This is a great saying it makes tons of sense. Very insightful as well. Either way, don't mess with older people, regardless of what they're doing.
the older man seemed to mess with them first and go pysically touch them first in this video are you blind. why do you think this prick is in jail hahahja
This old man was rediculed and assaulted by many young men, I think he feared for his life. What he did was what many people would do. It is terrible, but I would have been terrified in his position and may have lashed out more if I felt my life or my friends and relations were in mortal danger. This is not in any way or form murder or intentional homicide. Let him go , he has to live with it. This should make younger people think before they bully old people who care about their kin more than they do themselves. Respect your elders.
Youth today are becoming psychopaths because of the Internet. It’s blackening their hearts to the point where they act out how they think they should be responding to real life issues. “Is this real? Is this happening right now?” Is something out of a movie. So sad. AI will make it even worse when they are literally told what to think.
They're just kids messing around lime what kids have done for generations, the psychopath was the guy carrying a blade in his swim shorts on a hot sunny day in a river who then stabs the young lad and then stabs a young girl, and you're saying the kids are psychos wtf
@@jblake1you're not even acknowledging how he was treated before the knife came out, if they treated him with respect & not howling like a pack of wild animals & attacking him do you think the same thing happens? I dont think so. Actions have consequences & i guess they found that out the hard way. I'm not justifying what he did but i understand.
Not me. The kids look in control, he looks crazed. However, if that was his phone in the water...I cannot blame him. I only use mine for mp3..no apps, calls, text or camera..I STILL go INSANE if I think i lost it.
@@Joe-qm4yv Yeah man, if you can't handle a couple of kids pushing you in the water calling you names you'd better not approach them...best stay home in your safe space.
He went to them looking for a fight He knew he had a knife He knew they didn’t That isn’t a folding knife AFAIK No one Carrie’s one loose that way unless they’re ready to use it
@@apeyoutube7485You are a fool. he didn't look for anything. He was backing up at the point that he was attacked by a mob of drunk teenagers. So what he knew he had a knife? So does everyone else that has a knife, which is very common in this world, just like police know they have a gun. He knew they didn't have a knife? Wtf are you talking about? How would he know what they had? You seriously are what is wrong with this world, people JUST LIKE YOU.
@@apeyoutube7485yeah and if he didn’t want to hurt anyone he could have announced the knife by saying so, “hey I got a knife, get back now!” Easy as that, and I’m sure these kids would have scattered like flies. After watching the video idk why people are defending the old man. Of course these kids are being super obnoxious and surrounding him but he chose to put himself there.
As they always do when consequences of their actions arrive. You can see it on display in every live sentencing. "How could the consequences of my action happen?!?"
Am I the only one a little blown away that the kid filming kept turning the camera on his own face to record his reaction? This generation is really wild. He sounded like he was doing some of the most taunting also. Really unfortunate Turn of events, but everyone acted pretty disgusting.
@@rockstarofredondothey are referring to the man being taunted who stabbed the kid to get them away from him. I don't how the hell they are charging him. 😮
Yeah. It's such a shame that guy filmed this entire thing happening! It's such a shame that they had so much video evidence on how things went down for the trial. This guy filming should be ashamed. You would definitely been smarter and made sure nothing got filmed while your friend was bleeding out.
@@_Circus_Clapped_ Yeah hilarious. I mean who cares if his friend got killed in many of them got stabbed. What a stupid camera boy shivering in court. Who would be upset about that stuff anyway?
@@scribbles5027nah. Defending yourself is an exception. If someone is gona put hands on someone else they assume the risk of getting poked in the heart
almost everyone has missed something very important but i didnt miss it. in the first 10 seconds of the video, nicolai runs over to a guy sitting on a tube. nicolai reaches his hands into the crotch area of guy sitting on the tube. and then nicolai grabs the leg of a guy sitting on the tube and yanks him hard off the tube. nicolai was the instigator and original bully in the incident. not self defense. nicolai was the aggressor from the start. hes way guilty.
@@Kevin_40Congratulations, you’re one of the few with an actual functional brain. If you ever want to see the average mind of the American. Notice how the man runs up to the group and starts touching them. Now notice the shear amount of people saying he’s innocent and it’s self defense….thats the intelligence of the average American. Also notice what color they are and how emotional that are. You just can’t talk to them, it’s impossible. They will always find a reason to play victim and cry while calling you the victim. America has ruined the minds.
They also miss the part where the fight starts with Nikolai hitting the blond girl in the face. And that starts the group of younger boys to hit him. The hit is off camera but you hear the boys say he hit the girl and you also see the girl reacting to being hit with her sunglasses no longer on her face from being hit off by him.
Can't believe none of those parents feel somewhat embarrassed over how their kids acted. Imagining my dad being bullied by a group of drunk teenagers and still make him look like the bad guy is scary.
It happened so fast, but for people being confused : 1:56 (0,50x speed)Guy with orange pants (AJ) getting stabbed and sliced open in his stomach (survived) 2:02 (0,50x speed) You can see at the left, only the stabber’s arm/elbow (Nicolae Miu) charging and stabbing the slim girl (Ryhley) After that you see Ryhley’s holding her bleeding side (survived) 2:03 - 2:04 You see the guy (Tony) wearing jeans pants, trying to break up the fight, slightly pushes Nicolae to back off, but Nicolae turns around and stabs Tony twice. (Survived) 2:05 (0,50 x speed)Immediately after stabbing Tony, you see two hands launching at Nicolae’s neck. That was Isaac Schuman (deceased) Slow speed, you see Nicolae’s hand (holding the knife) stretching for a moment out. That’s the exact moment he stabbed Isaac’s heart. Isaac’s hands immediately back off after the stab and Nicolae almost trips backwards.. There is also Dante who got stabbed, but wasn’t shown in the video Hope that helps! My opinion : Both sides are at fault. Nicolae’s and the boys. The boys shouldn’t have provoked a total stranger and calling him names. You never know the other person’s intentions..But also, Nicolae should had just flipped them off , just back off and go back to his group. It really wasn’t necessary to pull out a knife and start stabbing everyone near him. Lots of people don’t know, because you can’t see it clearly in the video, but Nicolae started FIRST the physical part, by hitting Maddison (blonde woman) on her face. That’s why the boys charged after him. Also, i noticed Isaac (deceased) was the one that was the most behaved in the group. Everyone else was mocking and provoking the accused. The guy recording was really an asshole. RIP Isaac Schuman PS: Wanted to add, that people saying that no one from the boys run to help their wounded friend, is because AJ (orange pants) wasn’t a friend of them. He was a friend of the girl’s group who got stabbed. At 2:18 (slow speed) and some frames after, you see at the right, a male figure running at the distance with his back towards the camera,wearing dark blue pants. Don’t get mistaken, it’s not Nicolae. It’s Alexander Vang (East Asian guy) who runs towards wounded Isaac laying in the water. Two friends ran to his aid. Alexander and Owen.
...You can't attack someone because they allegedly "punched" your friend in the face... unless the attack & threat is continuous in nature, then you're allowed to STOP the threat only. Otherwise, it would be *_Vigilante Justice_* which is unlawful in all 50 States. Furthermore, the kids also claim that the Old Guy said he's looking for a *_Little Girl,_* (implying that he's a pedophile) which was a LIE because we have the AUDIO: Which makes their testimony about the alleged punch to the face completely SUSPECT: I mean, if they're known LIARS, then their testimony just isn't very credible, in my opinion.
@@sofusensei7397 ...1st of all, the actual testimony in Open Court is that he "pulled her hair & punched her": All within the very short timespan that the camera is just happened to be magically turned away AND while the Guy filming all this decides to CALL IT OUT (captured on audio), but NOT FILM IT ??? That is highly suspect. 2nd, even _IF_ he did "pull her hair & punch" her, then _THAT_ alone does not constitute a continuous, on-going THREAT that needs to be STOPPED, as when the camera pans back into view after the (most likely false) remark, you can see that he's not even facing her, much less "attacking" or "punching" her !!! And since he does not present himself & his actions to be a continuous threat, then the only thing that the Boys can do is call the Police & ask him to wait under Citizen's Arrest until the Police arrive. But they _CANNOT_ attack him: That's completely ridiculous. They were just using the false claim of a non-existent "punch" as an excuse to further harass him & escalate the harassment from verbal to physical. This is evidence by the fact that they only escalated to mere pushing (since they knew damn well the punch claim was false). What I'm saying is that had it been a REAL punch, then it wouldn't have been mere "pushing & shoving". Hence, not a genuine & normal reaction & response to a Man punching a Girl. How do we _KNOW_ this ??? ...Because we literally have _TONS_ of video _PROVING_ what really happens when a Man punches a Girl !!! And you'd have to extremely ignorant or LYING to deny this.
Me neither 😮. I was a punk kid, and every time "we" got rocked by an adult, we would be like, oh shit, and learned a lesson , for a while. But after a couple of times, we learned shit can happen. Shout out to D12😂😂😂
@@Reboobed based on the testimony of the kids friends, yet video shows a totally different story where he is on the ground being hit on the head by multiple people in water he could potentially drown in if he were knocked unconscious. Personally I would be fearful for my life in that circumstance. Gotta love the patronizing way millennials like you write despite your avatar and entire channel being nothing but cartoons, so freaking embarrassing lmao.
That "for the culture" shit is wild to me. Their behavior literally makes me uncomfortable just watching it. This is the very definition of "fuck around and find out".
Those kids absolutely started this whole incident and surrounded that man and wouldn't leave him be then they physically assaulted him. How did they not expect something awful was going to happen??
@@bambuco2 There were eyewitnesses who stated that he was along the sides of the riverbank looking for his friend's phone when one of the kids shouted "I got it" Miu ran over thinking they meant the phone at which point they began heckling and taunting him and they were the first ones to shove him into the water it's clearly visible in that part of the video that he did not throw the first punch and it's blatantly obvious he didn't.
@@jrhamilton4448 We know he punched the lady based on eyewitness report and the police report. Video doesn't capture the moment altercation started, so no it's not clear that he didn't throw the first punch just based on the video. If he was thinking they got the phone why not say anything? He runs up to them and just jumps on the tubes, they start talking to him, he just ignores them and that's when the taunting and the shouting starts.
@@jrhamilton4448 "it's clearly visible in that part of the video that he did not throw the first punch" - that's what you wrote, it's your comment lol and it's absolutely not true, you can't see that in the video.
The young men shouting things before and during the assault of this man, like "he says he's looking for a little girl," and "he hit a women" are the equivalent to a cop yelling "he's got a gun" when the perpetrator is unarmed. It's an excuse to justify to themselves the violence they want to perform to satisfy their ego and continue their life without the inconvenience of appearing wrong or doing what's right.
Or maybe the old man shouldn't have run up on them and physically grabbed their rafts while they were on them? Which is what kind of started the whole saga....
@@chuckgunn1359If you watch the actual trial footage it becomes known that what started it was those immature adults who were drunk and on drugs calling him "pedo" and "raper" when he approached them to let them know he was looking for a phone. They then decided it would be cool to lie yet again and say he was "looking for little girls" just because he was an older person on his own and they thought they were tough in front of their friends. THAT'S what started it. Best to find out all the facts first.
@@chuckgunn1359 or maybe the kids should learn how to deal with things without pulling their phone out and instigating assaulting people And falsely accusing people. They're lucky it wasn't any worse.
@@chuckgunn1359okay Chuck, a guy grabbing a raft in your world might be license to beat the shit out of him and call him a pedo, but over here in the real world of civilized people it’s not. The second you lay hands on someone, however, is essentially the same as signing a contract saying “I accept whatever happens to me as a result of my act of aggression.” I feel bad for the parents, but people need to stop pretending that you can treat people like shit and then hide behind “well, he shouldn’t have been in my special area looking for his phone” or “he shouldn’t have been at this protest in the first place” or “he should have let that suspicious looking guy continue to wander around unchecked.”
@@whoopiecushiondisco2755 lol you literally didn't address the fact, regardless of the vulgar heckling, that he ran up to them and physically accosted them on their tubes. lol lets talk about all those "facts".
He was attacked by a mob, it’s truly sad that if he isn’t found not guilty, these hyenas will be praised for being “hero’s” while this man, who was clearly defending himself might sit in prison the rest of his life.
@@gophukyurselvs3621 Pushing a lie like a child molester, having sex with girls in the midst and chanting jumping and and pointing fingers one man …..adults fell for the teens asinine nonsensical behaviors and paid the highest price for thinking kids are kids and need help. They should have stayed away…they would have less scars.
Wow I thought the dude went crazy for no reason... this is a way different view of the story. FAFO, shouldn't have been giving the dude shit just leave him be on his merry way. He was being attacked by a group of people, this actually looks a lot like self defense .
Yeah, the first video I saw I had no sound, and it was showing clips of the guy, stabbing people, these kids sound like a bunch of animals. I’m sure the man was intoxicated, and probably somewhere in his mind he Felt the need to go into survival mode
@rebeccaleicht3270 Yeah, agreed. He was punched/pushed into the water where he is vulnerable to be drowned (if they wanted to) and then the kid smacks him in the face while he was down. A lot going on here but that's when I see things got truly physical and he fought back.
Right!! Even after 2 trial days he I hadn't seen it like this! They are chasing him downriver. The crowd is getting bigger and more violent. The blonde has grabbed his arm twice. He's signaling for his group two or three times!
You mean the Frame-by-Frame? That let them see every bit of information possible from the video? OH god, how dare they try to pursue justice in the best, most informative way, instead of letting it play full speed shaking all over the place with shit happening all over the place so it just looks like a group of violent kids and a poor old man!!!!!
So the so-called friends run away from Issac, don't take him to shore, let him die alone, continue to record, and don't even call 911. They should be charged.
Taking him to shore wouldve been pointless. Isaac died almost immediately as his heart was slashed by the old man. And lets not forget these are KIDS and SHOCK EXISTS PEOPLE.
Also its thanks to them recording that justice was brought, youre just mad they did record, preventing the defense from spinning it in the old mans favor.
@@Violet-mw9ri according to hearsay. Video doesn't show any of that. This case is dead as far as him getting convicted. The kids had every chance to go their separate way. They chose instead to form a larger group. Then attack and ridicule the man. Of course he's gonna react when it's 12 on 1
@@cyeszin2818you could count him running up to them and touching their tubes as being aggressive. There was no need for that. They were apparently taunting him before that, but did they approach him? The moment he ran up like that set them off. The whole thing is insane and both parties were too egocentric to simply walk away (or in the young peoples case stfu and stop taunting him).
@@anastasia-fr1gnThey assaulted him first though by pushing & punching him while he was on his back in water. Was the older guy supposed to just let them beat him & drown him for the teens amusement?
When you fuck around in “real life” after going through public school and highschool thinking you’re hot shit since 2006, living in a world talking to a screen or kids smaller than you are bc you are a “cool” kid who is “funny” and demands respect from others, but doesn’t give any in return. You quickly find out life is very real. Take it from me, and I’m only 31. 💁🏻♂️
Yeah. I mean why would any of them be in shock that up with her friends are bleeding out? Just no accountability. I mean, slapping that guy that was about 50 years old or so (elderly I think? in the head while he was sitting in the water, it's just uncalled for. Even if he did punch that other lady and knock her glasses off her head. And it's CLEAR in the video that the younger people taunted HIM and smacked HIM while their friends were ALREDY bleeding out. I mean it's obvious that they were all bleeding out before this guy ever did anything right? Just so disgraceful...you are spot on and so insightful! Just such critical analysis here, I bet you're in Mensa!
actually many people helped the victims, all five of them who were stabbed. the 17 year old died almost instantly due to the intense injuries. Im following the case very closely.
His friends were also stabbed! Does anyone actually know what happened here? Or are you all just making assumptions? The man who was disemboweled (in the yellow shorts) did not die. He also wasn't friends with the teenagers. He literally didn't even know them. He was with a different group and four of them were stabbed. (Plus one was punched in the face.) On top of all of that, he was still rescued and survived. AJ was not the one who died, that was Issac. You can't see Issac's attack in this video. I recommend people actually watch the trial before jumping to conclusions.
I think your comprehension is low. While their behavior is far from justifiable, they did not attack the man until after he fatally stabbed one of their friends in the chest before their eyes. After that, they threw him to the ground and beat him. The right guy was justifiably found guilty in a court of law by a jury with more brain power than you.
yeah because they slapped him. a SLAP. however a kid is gone because of what he did. the kids should be on trial? after HE went up to them? its in the beginning of the video. how about the girl at 2:03? notice what he did to her? she should be on trial?
@@waitisthatcobalt A bunch of grown drunk teens punch him in the face, try to hold on the ground by the neck and tried beating him "For the culture". How dare he think that his live could be possibly at risk? After that, he simply attacked anyone who approached him. He didn't go crazy slashing. I'm not sure if we saw the same video...
Might i add I feel absolutely nothing seeing him bleeding in the water bc of how they act. Justice for this man. He is not an animal. He could done worse. He showed CONSIDERABLE RESTRAINT.
no? how about for the girl? at 2:03. thank god they survived. why dont u feel anything? what did they do? the guy came up to them. HE was being a creep. and HE ended a 17 year olds life. they SLAPPED a 50 or 60 year old man. he shanked a kid. why did he even have that on him in the first place? dont bother to question anything. so what did they do that's so bad, that you dont feel sorry for the fact that they're gone? huh? what exactly. you are insane.
@@waitisthatcobalt It's their own fault for ganging up on him and pushing him into the water. If you look at 1:55 you see him stabbing the kid in yellow pants when he tries to push him, so it was self defense.
thank god your word has no say, old dude will be in prison the rest of his life, the trial ended yesterday and on every account GUILTY, throw away the key
They didnt assault him, the old man hit the blonde girl first which then started their attempted defense until the old man pulled the knife HE MADE SURE TO GO GRAB BEFORE STARTING THE FIGHT, and starts stabbing them. Taunting someone doesnt allow them to murder or assault you plain and simple.
I see a lot of bullies against one man. Lack of respect all around. The knife is the issue, the older man could have drown from being pushed and punched in the water. Please teach kids respect.
lol if they were such scary bullies why did he approach them? why didn't he leave on the multiple occasions they asked? Was the girl from a completely separate group he stabbed a bully?
@@randylahey2242 I think your point is what will lead to conviction. The fact a third party intervened should of given him the clear sign to just part ways. The defense on day 1 is already working on trying to show how the defendant was "walking the other way" while the kids advanced on him. Even if they made an advance to the defendant; the only option is just to walk away. Being the bigger person may mean some random group of drunk kids will mock you but, is it worth stabbing everyone??
@@Mach2style Honestly It really depends on the nuance of Wisconsin law. I could see it going both ways. He will 100% lose in civil court after if he does beat the criminal charges. All around a very sad and avoidable situation. I personally think both parties made very serious mistake.
@@randylahey2242when the court ask if it’s self defense and his attorney says it’s 5v1 guess who wins he does he was pushed down punched and then the guy tried to keep him down that is enough to fear for his life
@@trevorgrigg4968 If he was in fear of his life why did he aggress the situation by apporacing? if we was in fear of his life why didn't he leave when everyone around him - including girls unrelated and from a third party, told him to leave? What did the girl do to deserve being stabbed over?
Those kids taunted n laighed, slapped n pushed this man. AND they continue to record as their friend is laying in blood. NOT GUILTY. Parents raise your children eoth RESPECT. SHAME ON YOU ALL
@@ripdiptatterchip3851good people would offer a help when he was looking for a phone. This brats were mocking him from beginning. 19 people and just one man. I guess you let people harrass you, drown you, punch you...
Wow!!! My OPINION on someone DEFENDING THEMSELVES is me needing to get a grip on my insanity. WHAT WOULD YOU DO????? JUST lay down n take it. UR WEAK. N shame on you as well.
They ganged up on a old man and assaulted him. Punched him in the face and the kid who got stabbed was in the process of hitting the man when he got stabbed. What did these kids think would happen? How this man was convicted of a crime here I'm not sure I understand why.
Ngl, the old man kinda looking the victim here to a degree. All that loud aggressive taunting and berating followed by a physical assault. Even got punched in the head after being knocked down.
Does any one else see a bunch of kids pushing an old man down with a bewildered look his face like hes lost and doesnt know whats going on? while they surround him in a negative way!?
He should have thought about what he was doing BEFORE going after an older guy. Stop thinking Dum! Your actions WILL have consequences. Period!! Wake up kids !!!!!!!!
This happened REALLY fast...if you watch the trial, you get the feeling, they spend minutes trying to get the older man away. All the kids surround him like animals.
More like cuz he didn’t know how to be an adult. Drunk out of his mind stabbing girls and boys cuz he can’t think straight. People have lost all common sense
I’ve watched this video over and over and you can clearly see he only stabs when being approached by someone who is going to hit him. Even then he doesn’t seem to be super aggressive, more of a get back seeing how people keep coming at him. Sorry but those kids shouldn’t have ganged up on him like that and they should have backup tf up instead of continuing to assault him even after he was down
So the punch to Maddie you just ignore?!? He put hands on someone first. A female, at that. And none of douche faces “group” did anything but watch him slaughter and attempt to slaughter everyone else. 🤷♀️. Bro these people are stupid. This man had all kinds of opportunities to retreat if he was truly in fear for his life. Instead he got out of his tube and approached the group and punched a female in the face and then continued to keep coming at them. FUK self defense!
Look closely at 1:45, he already has the knife out before being pushed into the water. The kids seem to claim he 'punched' a girl, which likely could be his first strike with the knife.
it’s disgusting how they don’t even help the friend that’s just laying bleeding out like how good friend you are just running away instead saving a friend life like you sacrifice yourself to the guy instead of just running away and helping your poor friend that got stabbed instead just standing watching yo friends get stabbed
I hope these kids are held accountable for thier behavior. This would NEVER had happened if it wasnt for their disgusting behavior. And before u attack me for my opinion, just put urself in the defendant position. I not condoning the stabbing either. Its ALL horrible from beginning to end.
W. T. F. Old dude was never touched or pushed till after he punched the girl in the face. He came charging at them and started shit and then was asked to leave SEVERAL TIMES by SEVERAL PEOPLE, way before it got out of hand. Old dude started it and then didn't want to leave. He came with a knife, he knew what he was doing. He wanted them to give him a reason he could use in court. Gtfoh
@@JustDawn the "punch" you claim supposedly never happened. responding officers also claim the girl had no sign of force on her face. atleast what i have read.
@@RomeEmpire123 I believe she was definitely punched BUT even if she wasn't, so what??? The old man rushed THEM and they didn't do shit except tell him to leave and laugh at him.. that's it. He chose not to leave, several people kept telling him to go, he still CHOSE NOT TO. HE was being an aashole, staying up in their faces and not speaking, like a fckn idiot. He wanted them to do something so he could do what he did. He had NO REASON to rush them OR stay there. Why didn't they all jump him when he rushed them?? They would be will within their rights to do so.. but they didn't but you're saying, that suddenly, in the middle of telling him to leave, they just suddenly decide to start yelling about him punching her, so they'd have an excuse to hit him?? Makes 0 sense. ZEROOOOOOOO
Yeah kids can be extremely obnoxious but that's no reason to bring a knife you can easily walk away especially as a much older man and supposedly more mature. He brought the knife and then went into their space when they were taunting him and then he became aggressive when he started the fight and somehow managed to stab four people in the process pretty badly. He calls to death that could have been completely and utterly avoided if he had just walked away or at least called the police. Therefore him coming back over to them with a knife caused the teens death directly
That new trend of people accusing random dudes of meeting up with underage kids makes me think this dude was totally innocent and when they started jumping him he simply defended himself.
Most of the video guy was standing there hands on the side until they pushed him down, hit him (while he was down) and continued trying to push him down on different sides when he tried getting up.
1:56 you can see that the guy actually plunges himself into the knife of the older man. There wasn’t even a stabbing motion; he literally didn’t try to stab him
Plus, if it's "INTENT" to murder... Then he had a lot of other chances to "murder" other people as well, but held off because it wasn't absolutely "necessary".
I'm gonna be honest it looks like a bunch of young bullies filming themselves bullying an old man who was minding his own business...he is calm and not shouting but they are not (the camera don't lie)
Omfg. That poor man. They pushed and slapped him too. This is SO WRONG. Sure not death as a punishment but you know what, this reminds me of those kids that were robbing the old veteran man’s house and then the veteran waited for them to break in because that was their pattern of behavior and then he ended up shooting them and got convicted. That’s absolutely horrible too. This man needs to be shown some compassion.
Ok, so being a former EMT, there is a phenomenon called “The Bystander Effect.” Basically, when something like this happens, everyone stands around with their phones out. This causes people to think “oh, well all these people have their phones out, someone must be calling 911.” And nobody does, because they all expect someone else to do it. This is a perfect example of that. Also, they’re kids. They just saw their friend get stabbed and are panicking. The little shits shouldn’t have shoved the dude and literally assault him, but I can understand the lack of awareness in the situation because their brains aren’t fully developed yet.
If I had something to defend myself as I’m gettin assaulted by a pack of drunk people, I’m gonna defend myself. Issac was LUNGING at him when he got stabbed.
a 17 year old lost his life due to a stab wound that a 50 or so year old man inflicted. you want to talk about them SLAPPING the man? a push and a slap when a kid is actually gone. you are sick, and just as much of a coward than the man in the video. grow a pair. it was a slap and now they have to deal with their friend being gone because they wanted to make sure some creep leaves people alone. You also want to charge the girl who got stabbed? you cant see the blood at 2:03 huh?
The kids attacked this old man looking for his phone.... It's terrible that life was lost. But if that many people ganged up on me, I'd protect myself. The ones who instigated this ARE RESPONSIBLE For this outcome.
No they didn’t, he stabbed the first victim before he was ever pushed and punched the other girl in the face. That’s why they pushed him in the water. These kids also deserve condemanation for their behavior, but It seriously makes me wonder how pathetic the men in your life are to think this is reasonable behavior 🤦♂️
Legit teens and kids today are insidious. They're a decade younger than me(28), and I'm seeing more and more stores checking ID's and not allowing anyone 17 and under into the store without a grown up. Edit: the teens were drinking underage as well. Whoever gave them access to alcohol needs to be arrested.
Yeah. True. Never mind that many of them were in their twenties. They should still be arrested for drinking alcohol! That guy with the knife had so much more of a right to be drunk than they did. Also, everyone knows that no one prior to gen Z ever tried to get alcohol before the age of 21. I mean sure in the seventies the age was 18, but that's beside the point.
That's how American society is today you protect yourself from being attacked with a firearm or a knife and a anti-gun district attorney will charge you for defending yourself
They have to make an example of the old man because it's naughty to want to defend yourself or have any autonomy in any capacity, don't you know the gov handle everything
@@thehypest6118 exactly. they'll throw anyone in jail who has the balls to protect themself. Self defense laws here in Canada are fucked. That's why you live in a rural community and NEVER call the police here.
When I watched this 54-year-old man being ganged up on by several people, bullied, laughed at, mocked, falsely accused of being a creep, humiliated, pushed into the water, punched in the head, and recorded, my heart physically hurt. This is a nightmare to make anyone feel this way. It is emotional and physical abuse to the fullest extent. Is anyone really surprised that this would provoke an extremely violent defensive rage response from someone? I'm not surprised. I have been bullied and recorded by a group of teenagers before, although not nearly as severely as what happened to him. It made me realize that horrible people like this just get to go on with their lives without facing consequences and continue to harm others. Am I upset that one of them was removed from this planet? No, not really. I have been through a lot and I know how he feels in this moment, so It's really hard for me to blame this guy. The fewer bullies/abusers I have to share this planet with, the better. This is what we call pushing someone to their breaking point. Gen z believes that they can get away with degrading/abusing strangers because of the internet. “Is this real? Is this real?” Yes, this is real. Wake up. Are you happy your little video went viral? Was it worth it? Also can we acknowledge how the United States is one of the only countries that will tolerate this kind of abuse and disrespect on older people and even attempt to defend them for this? In some countries your peers will get mad at you for simply complaining about your parents. They don’t tolerate this.
Ghetto culture with shittty rappers, social media slop, no parenting. Instead of being respectable youngsters and helping the old guy, their 1st idea is to film "catch a pedo" youtube clip. Blame American "culture" on that
Riiight because "they're kids". Some people think "kids" can't and shouldn't be empathetic, polite, or just decent human beings. According to some people, you are supposed to be a terrible human being as you grow up and then magically convert into a good person when you become an adult.
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. They bodyslammed him, punched him and kicked him in the face before the knife ever came out. Any one of those could have meant death if he had been knocked unconscious, and he was dealing with a mob of a dozen people.
@iplayfoofee3547 nope it's murder. Watch the interrogation. Zero remorse, which works against you in such cases. Voluntarily intoxicated. This man said he was drinking beer all day. He approached first. He then hit a woman first. He's lied to police and lied under oathe multiple times. Tried to destroy evidence also. At the end of the day the jury made the right decision even if those young adults were kinda being pricks.
Even if he was the initial aggressor, he wasn't doing anything at the time they surrounded and attacked him. The kids became the aggressors escalating a second encounter. If multiple people attack you while you're down in the water, you are justified in using lethal force as defense. Although, once he stood up, I do not believe he was justified in using lethal force against the girl who had her back to him. It's definitely a complicated scenario.
Because A. he was refusing mutliple demands/requests to leave them alone/leave their space and B. decided to hit a girl in the face after being surrounded for.....you guessed it! refusing to leave them the fuck alone
To where? Their tubes that were literally right there, because they never walked 100yrds away from their group to antagonize another? Are we watching the same video?
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. well he dropped his phone in the water and was looking for it when they approached him and surrounded him and started recording him and threatening him then got other people to do it but none of that actually matters anyway, they admitted that he made a joke to them that they didn't like so they demanded he leave the the public River and the video is what happened when he didn't, you're a clown LOL they started talking to him, they said that in their testimonies and he responded with a joke they didn't like so they demanded he leave the River and when he didn't they jumped him which is what happens in the video then there's the prosecutor absolutely destroying these guys, it's interesting that some people aren't seeing that though every single one of these Witnesses and victims recanted every single thing they said during their police interviews and their testimonies during their testimonies... what was keeping them there? That's the problem but you guys are going to be real mad when he uses that same card "they could have just left" and it works for him
@@ssgemactv1775 Yep, exactly. It’s amazing how dumb some people can be, and how they think harassment and assault are somehow justified because ‘he didn’t leave the area’. Legally he’s allowed to be there, and why should he leave and give into their intimidation and harassment? It used to be that you were told to stand up to bullies and for your legal rights, but according to these types of morons, you should pander down to them, because if not they’re somehow justified in assaulting you lol. It beggars belief that there’s people who exist with this type of mentality and who are completely devoid of logic and reason. It’s no wonder society is going downhill.
This is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. The taunting, the laughing the pushing him down. Oh my God the discard for their friend who is stabbed? This generation is the most disgusting era of young people ever.
@jeffreyhalter8652 The funniest thing is this is one comment everyone agress on video after video lol.
This is why teachers are quitting in droves. Would you want to teach high schoolers like this for $40k a year?
Disregard* but yes. This is why I'm not friends with any of my peers.
People are getting stabbed and you are sitting here talking sh!t? Jesus you guys, he punched a girl to start this whole thing off! You’re really going to justify the stabbing because of some taunting? Nothing got physical until he punched that girl, and I’m sorry, but stabbing is not ok under any circumstances unless it is in real self-defense. They were telling him to leave, and he could have left and this would have never happened. It was definitely in a really annoying and mean way that they were treating him, but it was words. Words do not justify STABBING PEOPLE!
They are just normal kids no different to kids 100, 50 & 20 yrs ago. Kids doing kid things. Miu grabbed one kid then hit a woman b4 any of the teenagers touched him.
Homeboy went from hood agitator to high pitched shrieking real fast.
Let’s just just say agitator there’s no hood here in this story only foolishness
That’s what happens when you spend all your time hanging around soft white boys
@@BigSamHH I saw one hood individual
@@oliverclothzoff"hood individual"... added to the list! thanks
They are like that hood until shit get real then it's shrieking
He shouldn’t have been charged. They were literally harassing him. And they assaulted him.
He came over to them twice. They told him multiple times to leave. They did assault him, but that’s not the question. The question was whether the force he used was justified, and it wasn’t. Not every single assault/attack warrants stabbing people.
@@HighTech636 No they were surrounding him yelling at him, taunting him, and started beating the shit out of him! He doesn't have a duty to retreat any more than they do. They could have walked away AS WELL.
@@exiled1gaming Multiple people said he slapped the girl first, which makes sense because the first kid that pushed him down, leans over and gives him a light slap across the face (payback for the first slap) then walks away. One of the kids he stabbed wasn’t even looking at him and had his arm out to break up the fight. He was examined for injuries and they found nothing. Not even a scratch. And you call that beating the shit out of him?
@@HighTech636 These people are morons, only taking his side because the kids werent acting like a group of goody-two shoes suburban white kids.
@@HighTech636might not be justified but I think any sane person would want to do the same aftee being harassed like the man was
For all of their bravado, I don't see any of them help their friend lying in the water bleeding, and the guy filming just keeps filming.
2 people tried to help him. Its also important to point out you'd likely do the same. They werent sitting there logically thinking out thier actions and you wouldnt either. They saw blood and thier brain said gtfo, thier body fell in line.
@@iinhalecrackers7376 The video didn't capture it so I'm glad to know someone(s) were there for him. Thankfully I have not been in a situation like this and blessed be may i never. I don't know what my brain would think but you're probably right, run for you life.
Yep, not one of them! That is so true, and you can see right in the testimony and all the follow-up footage that no one called 911, no one came to try to help they're dying friend, and that no one's lives were saved because of it. You can tell in all of the follow-up videos and the body cams that everybody ran away and were nowhere to be found after the fact. You can tell that all five people actually died from their stab wounds and that no one helped them at all to get out of the water or stop the bleeding.
You know what they say... You should never run from a guy with a knife! They also say that when knife wounds happen, they're very obvious immediately and there's unlikely to be a few moments before you notice. That was also clear in the testimony from all these Witnesses. I mean everybody knows that!
So sad. I'm glad you pointed this out...
@@brassmasterg Almost everything you said was incorrect. Just swinging and missing all over the place.
1) 911 was called almost immediately.
2) People went to help the dying friend, and he did not die. the video lasts for like a minute...do you think you saw everything that happened in a couple minutes?
3) People ran away to the riverbank. They didn't run from the scene to be "nowhere to be found after the fact". The police took statements from everyone.
4) 1 out of the 5 people died from their stab wounds, because he was stabbed directly in the heart--not all 5 of them. Can you read?
5) "never run from a guy with knife" I have never heard this in my life and it makes no sense at all. Running from people with weapons trying to hurt you certainly makes more sense than sticking around.
6)"when knife wounds happen, they're very obvious immediately and there's unlikely to be a few moments before you notice." How about if there's 13 very drunk people in a moving river with a ton of intertubes interspersed among them while they are making very loud noises, yelling at each other and pushing and shoving?
It honestly comes across like you missed almost all of the details of the case when reacting to this information. Nothing you said was a conclusion that should be drawn from the information and facts provided. I'm astonished at how wrong you were on pretty much everything. Maybe go over the details again and try to rethink and draw some new ideas. I think you did not get a proper grasp of what happened here, to be honest.
@@iinhalecrackers7376 Don't proport yourself to know what others would do. I'm a combat medic, I would have helped him. Not everyone is a coward.
Looks to me like they fucked around and found out 🤷🏻♀️
My thoughts exactly!
No joke, before even reading any comments, that’s exactly what I said out loud when I finished watching the video for the first time just now. I am 48 years old and that phrase is perfect for what we just witnessed.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Article say the same. They've learned the hard way 😂
My thought too
This is why you shouldn’t harass people and should care for peoples mental health and teach your children that. Or the next thing you hear, your teenage song drinking on his trip getting rowdy might end up dead. This was not deserved BUT this is exactly why you should NOT do this type of poking fun to strangers. They legit induced some sort of mental/drunken attack by the dude from the constant laughing at him. I’m not fond of a dude with a knife in public who is THAT close to psychotic and stabbing people don’t get me wrong.
ive never assaulted a stranger in my life and ive never been stabbed
Crazy how that works, isn't it?
I swear I just said the same thing! Amazing how that works
You probably don't live in a bad neighborhood either. Sometimes being nice and having common sense won't stop you from getting stabbed
@@Cesare-Borgiatrue but taunting people and hitting them might make it happen . Example being this video
Insane concept I know.
Nothing would have ever happened if these kids weren’t totally harassing the man
he had the knife out before anybody touched him or got near him
@fum8168 Well, they were pretty stupid for antagonizing someone holding a knife, wouldn't you say? Congrats on being the grand prize winner of the Darwin Awards.
@@scottjoren3466
Watch the video again. He keeps his hand at his pocket periodically to check that his knife is there, then again when he feels confronted and threatened to pull it out in front of the women.
None of them saw the knife. He made sure to hold it low and never communicated that he would use it if they touched him. I have a CPL and in training we were instructed to only use if the other person had a weapon of threat to our life (knife included) and would not back down when we pulled it out and threatened them to back off.
Miu was using a knife in this case but he did not brandish the knife and communicate to a single person that he was going to use it. No one even noticed that he had a knife until he'd already stabbed a few people and they were trying to back away/push him away from them, at which he lunged at them a few times stabbing them when they obviously knew he had a deadly weapon, couldn't kill him, and were just trying to create some distance. No one expected him to come stabbing when they threw him on the ground for hitting the woman when she was being dumb and provoking him. No one had a weapon good enough to kill him like a knife, only the ratio of people ganging up on him could justify that he saw a threat for his life. But he failed to do proper protocol of warning them, so it's his fault, not the kids. I'm sure if they saw him waving the knife around and yelling not to come near him they would have retreated.
He clearly was ready to use the knife and looked for the first opportunity of being attacked first (except for the fact that he did it first when he hit the girl and knocked her sunglasses off) in order to use it. Those kids should have not tried to drown him in the water and beat his face after they pushed him, because at that point it became a fight rather than taunting and pushing him away from the group and trying to get him to leave. He probably felt like he was going to drown and had little chance of fighting back against so many people. But it does not absolve Miu of his crime, especially in the way he did it with intent to harm rather than defend, even lashing out well after people had realized the situation and tried backing away. He planned for this resort to happen and he knew what he was doing when he plunged the knife deep into the abdomen of the orange shorts guy, twisting it upward to gut him. He was angry in those stabs and doing it out of revenge, lighter slices, not pointing the tip upward, and showing them the blade openly first would have been used to avoid killing anyone.
Miu clearly came prepared for an altercation. They were all on alcohol so they made the wrong decisions and it got violent. Because Miu was terrible at communicating and acted creepy the whole time, starting with his act of rummaging in their tubes and touching their legs without their consent, which seems to be motivated by a belief on his side that these young adults/teenagers had taken his friend's phone and snatched up his goggled when he dropped them. He doesen't even get the clueless immigrant card because he only lived in Romania for his first 12 years and spent the rest of his life in the US, even managing to get a PhD in engineering. He's fully capable of english, public speaking, and rational thought. And even though he was drunk he managed to think of discarding the knife in the woods and trying to pretend he was innocent, even twisting the events to the police before they revealed there was footage.
Those kids were not well behaved and shouldn't have escalated it. Most of all, that girl shouldn't have walked up to them and gotten involved since she had nothing to do with them. She was very drunk, pushy and obviously aggravating and cornering him. Because he hit her and hitting women/girls is a no-no, those boys immediately jumped in. If it weren't for the woman intigating further beyond the jeering and all of them agreeing to walk away/talk it out, this wouldn't have happend, bcause all in all it truly was a misunderstanding. We only heard the side of the kids and nothing from th guy, so evryone assumd he was a pedo/rapist. H should have tried to clarify clearly that he meant no harm and was looking for a phone. Unfortunately that chance was ruind when he came up to them smiling silntly and rummaging all up in their business. You can't excuse violating someone's boundaries like that to looking for a phone, and automatically assuming these random kids took it. Both the kids and Miu have impulse and emotional regaulatory issues, as well as communication issues. The kids were rightly wierded out about him being a creep when he touched their legs looking for the phone, but they shouldn't have escalated it into mob mntality jeering, accusations, etc. and trying to egg him on to violence without hearing him out about what all that was. And While he tried to leave and they told him to leave, for some reason both sides wanted to keep trailing each other, which is extremely dumb. Miu had multipl openings he could have walked away in but I don't think he could travel fast and was trying to assess the confusing situation while waiting for somone from his party he flagged down to come over. Both sides were guilty of different charges, and that's why the guy changed up his story to avoid responsibility and the kids did as well because the situation was not so one sided and they had to make their side look better to avoid punishment. I'm sure if Miu had waited longer to resort to the knife, his friends from his party not far away would have come running over to break up the fight of these kids ganging up on and almost drowning an old man. It takes a while to kill someone with your bare fists/legs (even with water involved), but it only takes 1 stab to the heart which he did to one of the boys to end his life. He was trying to resort to murder way too early without communicating anything that it's just not justified and looks like he was blood hungry, even if the reality may be different.
If there's a lesson to learn from this, cut back on the alcohol when going tubing, mind your own business, and if people get hostile, communicate clearly and walk away. Don't let your ego get in the way.
@@fum8168what were you watching?
@@mochalotte4702 yeah but how else can I live out my self defense larp fantasy if I'm not allowed to kill people for being kind of annoying?
The Guy is laying there bleeding, the victim walks away and the cowards are yelling "Let's go". Such cowards. Not even helping a guy bleeding, but making a selfie-video instead. Just a bunch of pathetic excuses for human beings.
Those kids are in shock seeing their friends intestines spilling out of his stomach. Are you expecting them to push his guts back inside and sew him up? If anyones pathetic its you for instantly making this about how guilty innocent bystanders are
@@Skully917 But moments before, more than a dozen people were screaming, laughing at him, taunting and physically attacking him. Could have Mui tried to leave? Certainly, but ultimately the unruly young adults, as only one was under age, brought this upon themselves. “You back a man in a corner, you gotta bear the consequences when he does what he has to do to fight his way out.”
@@JC-ye7pj what are you waffling about I didnt say it was unprovoked
@@Skully917that is cowardice in true definition. You don’t get to prove you’re not a coward by doing nothing when hard things happen. That’s precisely when you prove you’re not a coward
@@Skully917 the camera boy was not innocent, none of the boys/girls shouting pointing or attacking this man were innocent
Their friend is laying in the water bleeding out and they all run away from him? That is absolutely sickening
My thoughts exactly. Not a single one went to his aid. The camera guy didn’t even stop recording. This new generation is doomed.
His heart was hit, wouldn’t have mattered but shows they are cowards
You have NO idea how lame this newest generation is when it comes to being adult. They simply cannot handle anything.
@@stoneneils not much else to expect from the generation who ate tide pods for fun
@@eatsleepvNo one ate tide pods for fun. You’re good to hate on this generation but you yourself are dumb enough to believe anything you read on the internet.
There was a total of 37 cases of people who suffered from detergent poisoning and only half was intentional.
18 people out of millions is hardly something to use if you want a blame a generation for something.
The media went berserk because some people suggested to do it on the Internet, that doesn’t mean people actually did. Except for those 18.
They thought shit was funny until shit got real!
Your part of the creeps your true colors show, creepy old dude was trying to get a peep at them yungins
He said, “this isn’t real, this isn’t rreeaall…”! 😂
Went from laughing to Crying like a girl
@@southmountain111Bc his friend just got murdered infront of him? Like tf an old dude like that gets taunted a little bit and resorts to automatically stabbed to death lmaooo these comments are disgusting
@@brooklynwilliams9984 Don't dehumanize the mentally ill, it might just get you killed 🤣
The camera has a higher IQ than the guy using the camera.
If you watch closely, the man doesn’t chase anyone with the knife. It only comes it contact with anyone who tries to touch him.
How does touching someone mean you can stab them
@@taylormcfadden558 "Touch" someone and find out, Beta.
The teens collided into the knife he was holding. He can't help that. The bullies should've seen him holding a knife but they were too drunk & belligerent to notice. That sucks for them but they clearly ran into the knife 🔪 he was holding.
@@taylormcfadden558 are you special needs?
Dudes getting flat out attacked. It's now a situation where if he goes down again they could kick him in the head.
There's a video of a skinny guy kicking some old dude in the head during a BLM riot in 2020. One kick... dude died.
You can search that video up real easy.
Try waking up.
@@taylormcfadden558if touch means punched pushed n kicked then fuck yea u can defend yourself … there would of been no situation if it wasn’t for these kids…
What is up with gen Z and accusing every man over the age of 30 of being a pedophile? It's really weird.
It's popular on Tik Tok, that's why.
Republicans
@@sharon4094 Lol! The Republicans covertly support the satanic policies the Demoncrats overtly support. Teams red and blue are both complicit in the destruction of this nation.
@@paprapple9398 Actually the teenagers were gen Z and were accusing the defendant of being a p*dophile. So yes Mr Magoo it has to "do with the case." It shows us how horrible these kids are. Watching the video with sound has turned my opinion of this case 180 degrees.
@@paprapple9398 You do apparently! You are one of those last word absolutists?
I was all about hating on this guy until I saw the video. Now I’m not at all convinced that he is guilty. He was totally outnumbered and definitely had reasons to fear for his safety.
I agree looks like a pretty clear cut case of self-defense
Same too
I feel the exact same way. The only thing holding me back even a little is - I don't know why the guy approached the teens to begin with. If the reason is out there, I'd love to know.
Absolutely
@@JR-ii5dethey were taunting him for looking at the younger girls. Called him Ped-O and several other obnoxious rants. But……..he DID have every opportunity to ignore it and keep on floating down the river. Instead, he escalated everything and now look where it got him. 🤷♀️
How did these guys go from absolute bullies...to crying screaming babies...this generation is the worst ever....
Maybe because their friend got disemboweled in a river?
Two people who were there trying to deescalate the situation were gutted. I think the fault is with the older generation who concealed his weapon and indiscriminately stabbed people, no?
@@maria89idk I'm still breathing BC I'm haven't push and slap a guy before. What do you think?
How this man was convicted for defending himself against a mob of kids punching him is amazing to me. The justice system is broken
Standing and filming while that guy just bled out?! This generation needs a wake up call.
I'm sure they were medically trained 🤓☝️
@@ickyboostickythey were clearly idiots in shock.
@@MG-cw4rwno doubt
They initiated the attack too. Bunch of cowards. Then when their friend needs help, they sit there and cry.
Miu will do the time snowflakes
That sad part is that not one of his “boys” helped him as he bled out. One literally stood there saying he is dying and another just kept recording and recorded himself. Instead of calling 911 he is filming 🤦🏼♀️
He got stabbed in the fucking heart?…… you would need to be in a hospital when that happens and even then your chances are slim..
@@ooyoututchmytralalasure sure, thing is on a battlefield you get shot the heart the medic still tries to hold you together because that slim chance is always better than the alternative. It wasnt the heart btw check obit
The water helped him bleed out too. What these kids did trying to jump this man was the stupidest decision of their lives. Don’t bully and attack people. Simple.
Dude filming was just laughing then ppl get stabbed “this isn’t real”
@@ooyoututchmytralala he was stabbed in stomach area I believe. I’m not talking about where on his body he was stabbed. I am addressing that no one came to his aid. No one tried tying something around him to stop the bleeding. He was by himself.
The bystander who filmed and laughed, should be held accountable!
Uh no.
@@KalosPVPuh, yea. He was just recording and laughing the whole time. He instigated and escalated the situation
For what exactly lol?
Punks
Nothing they saw a glimpse and realized he was black so now whole incident wil be blamed on him 🙄
If you mess with an older man, you’ll quickly find out what kind of younger man he was.
That's Right. He's the type of younger man who also stabs people.
So that goes for messing with the younger man too right? Because then you get to see what kind of younger man he was, I mean still is?
This is a great saying it makes tons of sense. Very insightful as well. Either way, don't mess with older people, regardless of what they're doing.
*Has several opportunities to leave*
*starts stabbing people*
W old fuck!
the older man seemed to mess with them first and go pysically touch them first in this video are you blind. why do you think this prick is in jail hahahja
"This isn't real!" Life is very real when you don't take accountability for your actions.
life to zooms zooms is a video game and hollywood redemption arc
Forgoes calling 911 to record himself being regarded.
It might take until these idiots are in their 40's for them to realize their part in this catastrophe.
@@brent57 And backs away from injured people. Sick.
Cockfield is a little punk and should be in jail....screaming like a little girl at the scene HE CREATED
This old man was rediculed and assaulted by many young men, I think he feared for his life. What he did was what many people would do. It is terrible, but I would have been terrified in his position and may have lashed out more if I felt my life or my friends and relations were in mortal danger. This is not in any way or form murder or intentional homicide. Let him go , he has to live with it. This should make younger people think before they bully old people who care about their kin more than they do themselves. Respect your elders.
Youth today are becoming psychopaths because of the Internet. It’s blackening their hearts to the point where they act out how they think they should be responding to real life issues. “Is this real? Is this happening right now?” Is something out of a movie. So sad. AI will make it even worse when they are literally told what to think.
They're just kids messing around lime what kids have done for generations, the psychopath was the guy carrying a blade in his swim shorts on a hot sunny day in a river who then stabs the young lad and then stabs a young girl, and you're saying the kids are psychos wtf
🤡 comment, get a job buddy
@@jblake1 fafo
@@jblake1you're not even acknowledging how he was treated before the knife came out, if they treated him with respect & not howling like a pack of wild animals & attacking him do you think the same thing happens? I dont think so. Actions have consequences & i guess they found that out the hard way. I'm not justifying what he did but i understand.
lol calling the youths the psychopaths when an actual psychopath starts stabbing minors? wtf is going on in your pea brain?
I see a buncha outta control kids harass and attack a dude who then defends himself
Not me. The kids look in control, he looks crazed. However, if that was his phone in the water...I cannot blame him. I only use mine for mp3..no apps, calls, text or camera..I STILL go INSANE if I think i lost it.
@@stoneneilsthey call him a pdfile then assault him and he’s the one who’s crazed ?
@@stoneneilsyou’re on a troll account
@@Joe-qm4yv Yeah man, if you can't handle a couple of kids pushing you in the water calling you names you'd better not approach them...best stay home in your safe space.
😂😂😂😂@@stoneneils they found out for sure. He will be found not guilty. Those kids are trash
Kids behaving like animals and ganging up on older people is bad.
Yup, and they got their consequence. Shame to throw your life away to show off to drinking buddies.
@@rockstarofredondobuddy just threw his whole life away murdering a teenager over a little push into the water
He went to them looking for a fight
He knew he had a knife
He knew they didn’t
That isn’t a folding knife AFAIK
No one Carrie’s one loose that way unless they’re ready to use it
@@apeyoutube7485You are a fool. he didn't look for anything. He was backing up at the point that he was attacked by a mob of drunk teenagers. So what he knew he had a knife? So does everyone else that has a knife, which is very common in this world, just like police know they have a gun. He knew they didn't have a knife? Wtf are you talking about? How would he know what they had? You seriously are what is wrong with this world, people JUST LIKE YOU.
@@apeyoutube7485yeah and if he didn’t want to hurt anyone he could have announced the knife by saying so, “hey I got a knife, get back now!” Easy as that, and I’m sure these kids would have scattered like flies. After watching the video idk why people are defending the old man. Of course these kids are being super obnoxious and surrounding him but he chose to put himself there.
The way they bullied him. He was struggling to find his phone.
And those kids actually had the phone he was looking for the owner actually got it back pretty sad day
Acting tough but at the end scream like a bunch of little girls.
And acted like they didn’t cause the entire thing and they have no idea why this happened. FA F0
As they always do when consequences of their actions arrive. You can see it on display in every live sentencing. "How could the consequences of my action happen?!?"
Because he stabbed a teenage girl for no reason. That might be acceptable to you but it's not acceptable to society.
@@cronocide not one teenage girl was stabbed. Geeze
@@IzzyMarielplease don’t try to interject facts into this story,nobody wants to hear them😮
Am I the only one a little blown away that the kid filming kept turning the camera on his own face to record his reaction? This generation is really wild. He sounded like he was doing some of the most taunting also. Really unfortunate Turn of events, but everyone acted pretty disgusting.
Trauma response. You can’t judge action logically and rationally when a person is actively experiencing this level of trauma.
This fool filming needs chrged
@@DBopDankshow is that a trauma response? In trauma you engage in narcissistic attention-seeking? What??
@@rockstarofredondothey are referring to the man being taunted who stabbed the kid to get them away from him. I don't how the hell they are charging him. 😮
Yeah, it's gross. That's our society today. Fucking GROSS.
"Is this real !? " sums up this generation's issues ..
Ok so let me get this straight. Your friend is bleeding out, you have a phone in your hand, and your first instinct is to film yourself?
Sickening
funny because the cameraboy was shivering in court and failed to give a solid testomony
Yeah. It's such a shame that guy filmed this entire thing happening! It's such a shame that they had so much video evidence on how things went down for the trial. This guy filming should be ashamed. You would definitely been smarter and made sure nothing got filmed while your friend was bleeding out.
@@_Circus_Clapped_ Yeah hilarious. I mean who cares if his friend got killed in many of them got stabbed. What a stupid camera boy shivering in court. Who would be upset about that stuff anyway?
Sociopaths don't have friends, they have tools that they use for their own purposes.
Moral of the story dont be bullies .
So true.
how about thou shalt not kill
@@scribbles5027nah. Defending yourself is an exception. If someone is gona put hands on someone else they assume the risk of getting poked in the heart
really ? so words justify murder
@@Pinklady12 No, it doesn’t. But this was more than bullying.
A mob attacks an old man then plays victim....
almost everyone has missed something very important but i didnt miss it. in the first 10 seconds of the video, nicolai runs over to a guy sitting on a tube. nicolai reaches his hands into the crotch area of guy sitting on the tube. and then nicolai grabs the leg of a guy sitting on the tube and yanks him hard off the tube. nicolai was the instigator and original bully in the incident. not self defense. nicolai was the aggressor from the start. hes way guilty.
@@Kevin_40Congratulations, you’re one of the few with an actual functional brain. If you ever want to see the average mind of the American. Notice how the man runs up to the group and starts touching them. Now notice the shear amount of people saying he’s innocent and it’s self defense….thats the intelligence of the average American. Also notice what color they are and how emotional that are. You just can’t talk to them, it’s impossible. They will always find a reason to play victim and cry while calling you the victim. America has ruined the minds.
They also miss the part where the fight starts with Nikolai hitting the blond girl in the face. And that starts the group of younger boys to hit him. The hit is off camera but you hear the boys say he hit the girl and you also see the girl reacting to being hit with her sunglasses no longer on her face from being hit off by him.
He was asking the guy to move cuz he is looking for a phone. The young guys starts mocking him
What happened before the video was started
Can't believe none of those parents feel somewhat embarrassed over how their kids acted. Imagining my dad being bullied by a group of drunk teenagers and still make him look like the bad guy is scary.
It happened so fast, but for people being confused :
1:56 (0,50x speed)Guy with orange pants (AJ) getting stabbed and sliced open in his stomach (survived)
2:02 (0,50x speed) You can see at the left, only the stabber’s arm/elbow (Nicolae Miu) charging and stabbing the slim girl (Ryhley) After that you see Ryhley’s holding her bleeding side (survived)
2:03 - 2:04 You see the guy (Tony) wearing jeans pants, trying to break up the fight, slightly pushes Nicolae to back off, but Nicolae turns around and stabs Tony twice. (Survived)
2:05 (0,50 x speed)Immediately after stabbing Tony, you see two hands launching at Nicolae’s neck. That was Isaac Schuman (deceased) Slow speed, you see Nicolae’s hand (holding the knife) stretching for a moment out. That’s the exact moment he stabbed Isaac’s heart. Isaac’s hands immediately back off after the stab and Nicolae almost trips backwards..
There is also Dante who got stabbed, but wasn’t shown in the video
Hope that helps!
My opinion : Both sides are at fault. Nicolae’s and the boys.
The boys shouldn’t have provoked a total stranger and calling him names. You never know the other person’s intentions..But also, Nicolae should had just flipped them off , just back off and go back to his group. It really wasn’t necessary to pull out a knife and start stabbing everyone near him. Lots of people don’t know, because you can’t see it clearly in the video, but Nicolae started FIRST the physical part, by hitting Maddison (blonde woman) on her face. That’s why the boys charged after him.
Also, i noticed Isaac (deceased) was the one that was the most behaved in the group. Everyone else was mocking and provoking the accused. The guy recording was really an asshole.
RIP Isaac Schuman
PS: Wanted to add, that people saying that no one from the boys run to help their wounded friend, is because AJ (orange pants) wasn’t a friend of them. He was a friend of the girl’s group who got stabbed. At 2:18 (slow speed) and some frames after, you see at the right, a male figure running at the distance with his back towards the camera,wearing dark blue pants. Don’t get mistaken, it’s not Nicolae. It’s Alexander Vang (East Asian guy) who runs towards wounded Isaac laying in the water. Two friends ran to his aid. Alexander and Owen.
...You can't attack someone because they allegedly "punched" your friend in the face... unless the attack & threat is continuous in nature, then you're allowed to STOP the threat only. Otherwise, it would be *_Vigilante Justice_* which is unlawful in all 50 States. Furthermore, the kids also claim that the Old Guy said he's looking for a *_Little Girl,_* (implying that he's a pedophile) which was a LIE because we have the AUDIO: Which makes their testimony about the alleged punch to the face completely SUSPECT: I mean, if they're known LIARS, then their testimony just isn't very credible, in my opinion.
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 Well yeah, except the punch on the girl is on video...sooooooooo.....yeah
@@sofusensei7397 ...1st of all, the actual testimony in Open Court is that he "pulled her hair & punched her": All within the very short timespan that the camera is just happened to be magically turned away AND while the Guy filming all this decides to CALL IT OUT (captured on audio), but NOT FILM IT ??? That is highly suspect.
2nd, even _IF_ he did "pull her hair & punch" her, then _THAT_ alone does not constitute a continuous, on-going THREAT that needs to be STOPPED, as when the camera pans back into view after the (most likely false) remark, you can see that he's not even facing her, much less "attacking" or "punching" her !!!
And since he does not present himself & his actions to be a continuous threat, then the only thing that the Boys can do is call the Police & ask him to wait under Citizen's Arrest until the Police arrive.
But they _CANNOT_ attack him: That's completely ridiculous. They were just using the false claim of a non-existent "punch" as an excuse to further harass him & escalate the harassment from verbal to physical.
This is evidence by the fact that they only escalated to mere pushing (since they knew damn well the punch claim was false). What I'm saying is that had it been a REAL punch, then it wouldn't have been mere "pushing & shoving". Hence, not a genuine & normal reaction & response to a Man punching a Girl.
How do we _KNOW_ this ??? ...Because we literally have _TONS_ of video _PROVING_ what really happens when a Man punches a Girl !!! And you'd have to extremely ignorant or LYING to deny this.
Thank you so much for this I was so confused.
if i was on the jury i aint convicting this guy
Same
Watching the video certainly puts a different perspective than what I had.
Me neither 😮. I was a punk kid, and every time "we" got rocked by an adult, we would be like, oh shit, and learned a lesson , for a while. But after a couple of times, we learned shit can happen. Shout out to D12😂😂😂
Good thing you're not on the jury because he is 100 percent guilty, he literally punched someone first and initiated the whole thing
@@Reboobed based on the testimony of the kids friends, yet video shows a totally different story where he is on the ground being hit on the head by multiple people in water he could potentially drown in if he were knocked unconscious. Personally I would be fearful for my life in that circumstance.
Gotta love the patronizing way millennials like you write despite your avatar and entire channel being nothing but cartoons, so freaking embarrassing lmao.
Dude with camera is cringe fr
you are cringe
if thats all you got out of the video you are probably racist as he was the only dark skin in the whole video.
That's a CUB; not a "dude".
Yeah dude is super cringe frfr
That "for the culture" shit is wild to me. Their behavior literally makes me uncomfortable just watching it. This is the very definition of "fuck around and find out".
Those kids absolutely started this whole incident and surrounded that man and wouldn't leave him be then they physically assaulted him. How did they not expect something awful was going to happen??
How are you getting to that conclusion? He runs up to them, starts the entire thing, even throws the first punch ...
@@bambuco2 There were eyewitnesses who stated that he was along the sides of the riverbank looking for his friend's phone when one of the kids shouted "I got it" Miu ran over thinking they meant the phone at which point they began heckling and taunting him and they were the first ones to shove him into the water it's clearly visible in that part of the video that he did not throw the first punch and it's blatantly obvious he didn't.
@@jrhamilton4448 We know he punched the lady based on eyewitness report and the police report. Video doesn't capture the moment altercation started, so no it's not clear that he didn't throw the first punch just based on the video.
If he was thinking they got the phone why not say anything? He runs up to them and just jumps on the tubes, they start talking to him, he just ignores them and that's when the taunting and the shouting starts.
@@bambuco2 I never said based on the video I said eyewitnesses. Stop feeding into the mass media BS.
@@jrhamilton4448 "it's clearly visible in that part of the video that he did not throw the first punch" - that's what you wrote, it's your comment lol and it's absolutely not true, you can't see that in the video.
They had no respect for that man, and as we already know justice wasn't served. This is how this generation respects their elders!! Smh
The young men shouting things before and during the assault of this man, like "he says he's looking for a little girl," and "he hit a women" are the equivalent to a cop yelling "he's got a gun" when the perpetrator is unarmed. It's an excuse to justify to themselves the violence they want to perform to satisfy their ego and continue their life without the inconvenience of appearing wrong or doing what's right.
When were they violent? Please provide a timestamp. Moron.
hey fan boy hes been found guilty of ALL charges, have fun writing him love letters while he rots in jail
@@dwizzle2132 don't worry the fan boys of the kids are out here with all of us . Lmfaooo00 hi ! See you around . You guys are on everyone's 💩 list .
@@dwizzle2132what he said is right what does fan boy mean?
@@libertarianpunk8558 it means go write a love letter because dudes in jail for life case closed
Maybe they shouldn't have behaved like a bunch of fucking idiots, attacking someone they didnt know ..
Or maybe the old man shouldn't have run up on them and physically grabbed their rafts while they were on them? Which is what kind of started the whole saga....
@@chuckgunn1359If you watch the actual trial footage it becomes known that what started it was those immature adults who were drunk and on drugs calling him "pedo" and "raper" when he approached them to let them know he was looking for a phone. They then decided it would be cool to lie yet again and say he was "looking for little girls" just because he was an older person on his own and they thought they were tough in front of their friends. THAT'S what started it. Best to find out all the facts first.
@@chuckgunn1359 or maybe the kids should learn how to deal with things without pulling their phone out and instigating assaulting people And falsely accusing people. They're lucky it wasn't any worse.
@@chuckgunn1359okay Chuck, a guy grabbing a raft in your world might be license to beat the shit out of him and call him a pedo, but over here in the real world of civilized people it’s not. The second you lay hands on someone, however, is essentially the same as signing a contract saying “I accept whatever happens to me as a result of my act of aggression.” I feel bad for the parents, but people need to stop pretending that you can treat people like shit and then hide behind “well, he shouldn’t have been in my special area looking for his phone” or “he shouldn’t have been at this protest in the first place” or “he should have let that suspicious looking guy continue to wander around unchecked.”
@@whoopiecushiondisco2755 lol you literally didn't address the fact, regardless of the vulgar heckling, that he ran up to them and physically accosted them on their tubes. lol lets talk about all those "facts".
He was attacked by a mob, it’s truly sad that if he isn’t found not guilty, these hyenas will be praised for being “hero’s” while this man, who was clearly defending himself might sit in prison the rest of his life.
He ran up to them in the beginning touching 2 guys on a tube instigating... with a knife in his pocket and tension in his heart.
This teens got adults so upset that 4 of them will live the scars they inflicted with their lies about Miu. While they walk away seemingly clean.
Nic assaulted them not the other way around.
There is a reason why you didn’t go to law school 🤡
@@gophukyurselvs3621 Pushing a lie like a child molester, having sex with girls in the midst and chanting jumping and and pointing fingers one man …..adults fell for the teens asinine nonsensical behaviors and paid the highest price for thinking kids are kids and need help. They should have stayed away…they would have less scars.
Wow I thought the dude went crazy for no reason... this is a way different view of the story. FAFO, shouldn't have been giving the dude shit just leave him be on his merry way. He was being attacked by a group of people, this actually looks a lot like self defense .
Yeah, the first video I saw I had no sound, and it was showing clips of the guy, stabbing people, these kids sound like a bunch of animals. I’m sure the man was intoxicated, and probably somewhere in his mind he Felt the need to go into survival mode
@rebeccaleicht3270 Yeah, agreed. He was punched/pushed into the water where he is vulnerable to be drowned (if they wanted to) and then the kid smacks him in the face while he was down. A lot going on here but that's when I see things got truly physical and he fought back.
Right!! Even after 2 trial days he I hadn't seen it like this! They are chasing him downriver. The crowd is getting bigger and more violent. The blonde has grabbed his arm twice. He's signaling for his group two or three times!
Exactly. Media and left0id screechers completely manipulated the narrative on this situation. Self defense 100%.
I mean. Still looks like a murder to me. Self defense looks like a stretch.
Now I see why the prosecution preferred the still photos to the video.
You mean the Frame-by-Frame? That let them see every bit of information possible from the video? OH god, how dare they try to pursue justice in the best, most informative way, instead of letting it play full speed shaking all over the place with shit happening all over the place so it just looks like a group of violent kids and a poor old man!!!!!
So the so-called friends run away from Issac, don't take him to shore, let him die alone, continue to record, and don't even call 911. They should be charged.
Taking him to shore wouldve been pointless. Isaac died almost immediately as his heart was slashed by the old man. And lets not forget these are KIDS and SHOCK EXISTS PEOPLE.
Also its thanks to them recording that justice was brought, youre just mad they did record, preventing the defense from spinning it in the old mans favor.
@@sofusensei7397where in the video is he?
Dumb, sheltered, drunk kids messed with the person.
classic case of "fucked around and found out"
Looks like self defense from a group of disrespectful kids that thought they were untouchable
He made first contact.
@@Violet-mw9ri according to hearsay. Video doesn't show any of that. This case is dead as far as him getting convicted. The kids had every chance to go their separate way. They chose instead to form a larger group. Then attack and ridicule the man. Of course he's gonna react when it's 12 on 1
@@cyeszin2818you could count him running up to them and touching their tubes as being aggressive. There was no need for that. They were apparently taunting him before that, but did they approach him? The moment he ran up like that set them off. The whole thing is insane and both parties were too egocentric to simply walk away (or in the young peoples case stfu and stop taunting him).
@@anastasia-fr1gnThey assaulted him first though by pushing & punching him while he was on his back in water.
Was the older guy supposed to just let them beat him & drown him for the teens amusement?
hey fan boy hes been found guilty of ALL charges, have fun writing him love letters while he rots in jail
When you fuck around in “real life” after going through public school and highschool thinking you’re hot shit since 2006, living in a world talking to a screen or kids smaller than you are bc you are a “cool” kid who is “funny” and demands respect from others, but doesn’t give any in return.
You quickly find out life is very real.
Take it from me, and I’m only 31. 💁🏻♂️
Screaming this isn’t real after taunting and smacking an elder in the face while he’s down while watching their friend bleed out... how disgraceful
Yeah. I mean why would any of them be in shock that up with her friends are bleeding out? Just no accountability.
I mean, slapping that guy that was about 50 years old or so (elderly I think? in the head while he was sitting in the water, it's just uncalled for. Even if he did punch that other lady and knock her glasses off her head.
And it's CLEAR in the video that the younger people taunted HIM and smacked HIM while their friends were ALREDY bleeding out. I mean it's obvious that they were all bleeding out before this guy ever did anything right?
Just so disgraceful...you are spot on and so insightful! Just such critical analysis here, I bet you're in Mensa!
Not one of his friends by his side as he was dying.
"Friends"
This guy does not have any friends
actually many people helped the victims, all five of them who were stabbed. the 17 year old died almost instantly due to the intense injuries. Im following the case very closely.
His friends were also stabbed!
Does anyone actually know what happened here? Or are you all just making assumptions?
The man who was disemboweled (in the yellow shorts) did not die. He also wasn't friends with the teenagers. He literally didn't even know them. He was with a different group and four of them were stabbed. (Plus one was punched in the face.)
On top of all of that, he was still rescued and survived. AJ was not the one who died, that was Issac. You can't see Issac's attack in this video.
I recommend people actually watch the trial before jumping to conclusions.
@@brendenpetersen234which color shorts is the kid that died , I can’t see them getting stabbed
...a bunch of drunks teens attack a guy who defended himself. The wrong persons on trial...
I think your comprehension is low. While their behavior is far from justifiable, they did not attack the man until after he fatally stabbed one of their friends in the chest before their eyes. After that, they threw him to the ground and beat him. The right guy was justifiably found guilty in a court of law by a jury with more brain power than you.
yeah because they slapped him. a SLAP. however a kid is gone because of what he did. the kids should be on trial? after HE went up to them? its in the beginning of the video. how about the girl at 2:03? notice what he did to her? she should be on trial?
@@waitisthatcobaltshoving an old man into the water repeatedly isn't a "slap" lmao you're a 🤡
@@waitisthatcobalt A bunch of grown drunk teens punch him in the face, try to hold on the ground by the neck and tried beating him "For the culture". How dare he think that his live could be possibly at risk? After that, he simply attacked anyone who approached him. He didn't go crazy slashing. I'm not sure if we saw the same video...
@@gerardvellothey didn’t hold any one down. They gave him a chance to leave. And yes he did slash, 3 kids actually I think it was 4.
Might i add I feel absolutely nothing seeing him bleeding in the water bc of how they act. Justice for this man. He is not an animal. He could done worse. He showed CONSIDERABLE RESTRAINT.
so wild no one thought to carry their friend out or call 911 or anything
no? how about for the girl? at 2:03. thank god they survived. why dont u feel anything? what did they do? the guy came up to them. HE was being a creep. and HE ended a 17 year olds life. they SLAPPED a 50 or 60 year old man. he shanked a kid. why did he even have that on him in the first place? dont bother to question anything. so what did they do that's so bad, that you dont feel sorry for the fact that they're gone? huh? what exactly. you are insane.
@@waitisthatcobalt It's their own fault for ganging up on him and pushing him into the water. If you look at 1:55 you see him stabbing the kid in yellow pants when he tries to push him, so it was self defense.
thank god your word has no say, old dude will be in prison the rest of his life, the trial ended yesterday and on every account GUILTY, throw away the key
@@waitisthatcobaltdon't gang up and beat/try to drown an old man lmao
"Is this real?" Yeah buddy its real life, not Tik Tok. You assault someone and they brutally take your life in self defense? Shocker.
They didnt assault him, the old man hit the blonde girl first which then started their attempted defense until the old man pulled the knife HE MADE SURE TO GO GRAB BEFORE STARTING THE FIGHT, and starts stabbing them. Taunting someone doesnt allow them to murder or assault you plain and simple.
I see a lot of bullies against one man. Lack of respect all around. The knife is the issue, the older man could have drown from being pushed and punched in the water. Please teach kids respect.
lol if they were such scary bullies why did he approach them? why didn't he leave on the multiple occasions they asked? Was the girl from a completely separate group he stabbed a bully?
@@randylahey2242 I think your point is what will lead to conviction. The fact a third party intervened should of given him the clear sign to just part ways. The defense on day 1 is already working on trying to show how the defendant was "walking the other way" while the kids advanced on him. Even if they made an advance to the defendant; the only option is just to walk away. Being the bigger person may mean some random group of drunk kids will mock you but, is it worth stabbing everyone??
@@Mach2style Honestly It really depends on the nuance of Wisconsin law. I could see it going both ways. He will 100% lose in civil court after if he does beat the criminal charges. All around a very sad and avoidable situation. I personally think both parties made very serious mistake.
@@randylahey2242when the court ask if it’s self defense and his attorney says it’s 5v1 guess who wins he does he was pushed down punched and then the guy tried to keep him down that is enough to fear for his life
@@trevorgrigg4968 If he was in fear of his life why did he aggress the situation by apporacing? if we was in fear of his life why didn't he leave when everyone around him - including girls unrelated and from a third party, told him to leave? What did the girl do to deserve being stabbed over?
Those kids taunted n laighed, slapped n pushed this man. AND they continue to record as their friend is laying in blood. NOT GUILTY. Parents raise your children eoth RESPECT. SHAME ON YOU ALL
Watch the first ten seconds again, fool.
@@ripdiptatterchip3851
They touched him 1st
@@ripdiptatterchip3851good people would offer a help when he was looking for a phone. This brats were mocking him from beginning.
19 people and just one man. I guess you let people harrass you, drown you, punch you...
@@ripdiptatterchip3851bro got surrounded by a group of random people that started beating on him no shit he’s gonna slash at every corner
Wow!!! My OPINION on someone DEFENDING THEMSELVES is me needing to get a grip on my insanity. WHAT WOULD YOU DO????? JUST lay down n take it. UR WEAK. N shame on you as well.
They ganged up on a old man and assaulted him. Punched him in the face and the kid who got stabbed was in the process of hitting the man when he got stabbed. What did these kids think would happen? How this man was convicted of a crime here I'm not sure I understand why.
He approached them, dummy.
Ngl, the old man kinda looking the victim here to a degree. All that loud aggressive taunting and berating followed by a physical assault. Even got punched in the head after being knocked down.
hey fan boy hes been found guilty of ALL charges, have fun writing him love letters while he rots in jail
@@dwizzle2132 you just writing this on all comments or what
@@FirstUsername both
@@dwizzle2132 both what
@@FirstUsername you gave me two options in your question i chose both wtf you mean
Does any one else see a bunch of kids pushing an old man down with a bewildered look his face like hes lost and doesnt know whats going on? while they surround him in a negative way!?
After what?
53 is an old man?
@@diane4537 will not young so yes he is old What is he like 10 years away from retirement
And he’s going to prison for life
The kid literally holding his guts is absolutely awful.
Well, you'd think he'd have extra guts with how bold they were to gang up on an older guy just trying to find his missing stuff. Not so gutsy now.
He should have thought about what he was doing BEFORE going after an older guy. Stop thinking Dum! Your actions WILL have consequences. Period!! Wake up kids !!!!!!!!
This happened REALLY fast...if you watch the trial, you get the feeling, they spend minutes trying to get the older man away. All the kids surround him like animals.
Kids learning that there’s consequences to their own actions.
Oh Mister Miu is about to learn that too. Unless it’s a hung jury, he’s gonna be in jail for a long time.
@@happydayz7857 and it will be because of a mob of drunk kids
@@sam-sb4lh drunk underage kids at that.
More like cuz he didn’t know how to be an adult. Drunk out of his mind stabbing girls and boys cuz he can’t think straight. People have lost all common sense
I’ve watched this video over and over and you can clearly see he only stabs when being approached by someone who is going to hit him. Even then he doesn’t seem to be super aggressive, more of a get back seeing how people keep coming at him. Sorry but those kids shouldn’t have ganged up on him like that and they should have backup tf up instead of continuing to assault him even after he was down
So the punch to Maddie you just ignore?!? He put hands on someone first. A female, at that. And none of douche faces “group” did anything but watch him slaughter and attempt to slaughter everyone else. 🤷♀️. Bro these people are stupid. This man had all kinds of opportunities to retreat if he was truly in fear for his life. Instead he got out of his tube and approached the group and punched a female in the face and then continued to keep coming at them. FUK self defense!
Look closely at 1:45, he already has the knife out before being pushed into the water.
The kids seem to claim he 'punched' a girl, which likely could be his first strike with the knife.
He just held the knife up, that idiot stabbed himself by running into the blade.
@@learrusHe certainly did go right into, it’s clear in the video.
Why did he stab that girl walking by though?! Got her in her side bc she wasn't even facing him.
it’s disgusting how they don’t even help the friend that’s just laying bleeding out like how good friend you are just running away instead saving a friend life like you sacrifice yourself to the guy instead of just running away and helping your poor friend that got stabbed instead just standing watching yo friends get stabbed
Because shock exists, and people react to traumatic events differently?
It's not like being online kids. You can't expect to hate on someone in real time without any consequences.
I hope these kids are held accountable for thier behavior. This would NEVER had happened if it wasnt for their disgusting behavior. And before u attack me for my opinion, just put urself in the defendant position. I not condoning the stabbing either. Its ALL horrible from beginning to end.
W. T. F. Old dude was never touched or pushed till after he punched the girl in the face. He came charging at them and started shit and then was asked to leave SEVERAL TIMES by SEVERAL PEOPLE, way before it got out of hand. Old dude started it and then didn't want to leave.
He came with a knife, he knew what he was doing. He wanted them to give him a reason he could use in court. Gtfoh
@@JustDawn the "punch" you claim supposedly never happened. responding officers also claim the girl had no sign of force on her face. atleast what i have read.
@@RomeEmpire123 I believe she was definitely punched BUT even if she wasn't, so what??? The old man rushed THEM and they didn't do shit except tell him to leave and laugh at him.. that's it. He chose not to leave, several people kept telling him to go, he still CHOSE NOT TO. HE was being an aashole, staying up in their faces and not speaking, like a fckn idiot. He wanted them to do something so he could do what he did. He had NO REASON to rush them OR stay there. Why didn't they all jump him when he rushed them?? They would be will within their rights to do so.. but they didn't but you're saying, that suddenly, in the middle of telling him to leave, they just suddenly decide to start yelling about him punching her, so they'd have an excuse to hit him?? Makes 0 sense. ZEROOOOOOOO
Yeah kids can be extremely obnoxious but that's no reason to bring a knife you can easily walk away especially as a much older man and supposedly more mature. He brought the knife and then went into their space when they were taunting him and then he became aggressive when he started the fight and somehow managed to stab four people in the process pretty badly. He calls to death that could have been completely and utterly avoided if he had just walked away or at least called the police. Therefore him coming back over to them with a knife caused the teens death directly
Self defense… they attacked him in a mob.
his mates just abandoned him ...
Self defense.
Sounds like a bunch of entitled brats
Affluenza
Call me psychotic but i just noticed 'brats' can be re-arranged to be 'stabr'.
That new trend of people accusing random dudes of meeting up with underage kids makes me think this dude was totally innocent and when they started jumping him he simply defended himself.
Most of the video guy was standing there hands on the side until they pushed him down, hit him (while he was down) and continued trying to push him down on different sides when he tried getting up.
1:56 you can see that the guy actually plunges himself into the knife of the older man. There wasn’t even a stabbing motion; he literally didn’t try to stab him
Plus, if it's "INTENT" to murder... Then he had a lot of other chances to "murder" other people as well, but held off because it wasn't absolutely "necessary".
Self defense
I'm gonna be honest it looks like a bunch of young bullies filming themselves bullying an old man who was minding his own business...he is calm and not shouting but they are not (the camera don't lie)
The guy holding the phone should be charged for his heinous camera work.
Omfg. That poor man. They pushed and slapped him too. This is SO WRONG. Sure not death as a punishment but you know what, this reminds me of those kids that were robbing the old veteran man’s house and then the veteran waited for them to break in because that was their pattern of behavior and then he ended up shooting them and got convicted. That’s absolutely horrible too. This man needs to be shown some compassion.
Didn't hear anybody yell "call 911" for their homies. Weak ass "friends".
They all weak ass friends. Why would you hype your boys up to attack an old man...
Nope. The victim returned to his own group and they called the police. They unfortunately sent him to prison as well
Ok, so being a former EMT, there is a phenomenon called “The Bystander Effect.” Basically, when something like this happens, everyone stands around with their phones out. This causes people to think “oh, well all these people have their phones out, someone must be calling 911.” And nobody does, because they all expect someone else to do it. This is a perfect example of that.
Also, they’re kids. They just saw their friend get stabbed and are panicking. The little shits shouldn’t have shoved the dude and literally assault him, but I can understand the lack of awareness in the situation because their brains aren’t fully developed yet.
@@ticket2spaceI mean, I would have sent the kid who literally assaulted the dude to jail too.
They were too busy thinking how famous the video would make them on TikTok.
If I had something to defend myself as I’m gettin assaulted by a pack of drunk people, I’m gonna defend myself. Issac was LUNGING at him when he got stabbed.
That guy recording and doing all the screaming was also responsible for this tragedy....the old guy was only defending himself!
Let me guess, none of the teens got charged for assault?
Or underaged drinking
For real though. This generation is disgusting because our government and society is enabling them.
@@dwizzle2132 are you still on this topic What a loser move on like the rest of us
a 17 year old lost his life due to a stab wound that a 50 or so year old man inflicted. you want to talk about them SLAPPING the man? a push and a slap when a kid is actually gone. you are sick, and just as much of a coward than the man in the video. grow a pair. it was a slap and now they have to deal with their friend being gone because they wanted to make sure some creep leaves people alone. You also want to charge the girl who got stabbed? you cant see the blood at 2:03 huh?
nope, but the guy they tormented is going to prison.
I saw two ladies push him and told him to go....one grabbed his arm.
They just walked up and started on him also.
He looks very confused 🤔
the solution to this is defanitley banning guns. a pocket knife isnt a deadly weapon.
Knives have Multiple uses name me multiple uses of a gun?
The kids attacked this old man looking for his phone.... It's terrible that life was lost. But if that many people ganged up on me, I'd protect myself. The ones who instigated this ARE RESPONSIBLE For this outcome.
we need to stop caring about saving stupid
_>"It's terrible that life was lost."_
Err... Yeah, nah.
No they didn’t, he stabbed the first victim before he was ever pushed and punched the other girl in the face. That’s why they pushed him in the water. These kids also deserve condemanation for their behavior, but It seriously makes me wonder how pathetic the men in your life are to think this is reasonable behavior 🤦♂️
The initial instigator cannot reasonably claim self-defense after first attacking someone else.
They stole his phone I bet
So they taunt him and then think that someone would not fight back.
Theyre used to the internet. They wanna hide behind screens in real life too. This is what happens
yep and there's no twitter mod between them and the knife
They think they can do anything they want and face no consequences ...
How is the man charged with actual murder?
America has been invaded by a sick ideology called "liberalism" that is not LIBERAL in the slightest.
He killed someone
@@Thomas_Cool In self defense
He had chances to walk away but just stood there loving the tension and negetive attention waiting for a chance to attack.
@@exiled1gaming Not self defense when you start a fight with a group, knowing you got a knife ready to go.
Legit teens and kids today are insidious. They're a decade younger than me(28), and I'm seeing more and more stores checking ID's and not allowing anyone 17 and under into the store without a grown up.
Edit: the teens were drinking underage as well. Whoever gave them access to alcohol needs to be arrested.
Yeah. True. Never mind that many of them were in their twenties. They should still be arrested for drinking alcohol! That guy with the knife had so much more of a right to be drunk than they did.
Also, everyone knows that no one prior to gen Z ever tried to get alcohol before the age of 21. I mean sure in the seventies the age was 18, but that's beside the point.
Once those kids laid their hands upon him he was fighting in self defense.
WTF! Mui hit the female first. What are you talking about??
Why was he even charged?
That's how American society is today you protect yourself from being attacked with a firearm or a knife and a anti-gun district attorney will charge you for defending yourself
The trial is still ongoing
Charges were brought against him because four people were stabbed in someone died I mean duh. And he was leaving the scene.
They have to make an example of the old man because it's naughty to want to defend yourself or have any autonomy in any capacity, don't you know the gov handle everything
@@thehypest6118 exactly. they'll throw anyone in jail who has the balls to protect themself. Self defense laws here in Canada are fucked. That's why you live in a rural community and NEVER call the police here.
When I watched this 54-year-old man being ganged up on by several people, bullied, laughed at, mocked, falsely accused of being a creep, humiliated, pushed into the water, punched in the head, and recorded, my heart physically hurt. This is a nightmare to make anyone feel this way.
It is emotional and physical abuse to the fullest extent.
Is anyone really surprised that this would provoke an extremely violent defensive rage response from someone? I'm not surprised.
I have been bullied and recorded by a group of teenagers before, although not nearly as severely as what happened to him. It made me realize that horrible people like this just get to go on with their lives without facing consequences and continue to harm others.
Am I upset that one of them was removed from this planet?
No, not really.
I have been through a lot and I know how he feels in this moment, so It's really hard for me to blame this guy.
The fewer bullies/abusers I have to share this planet with, the better.
This is what we call pushing someone to their breaking point.
Gen z believes that they can get away with degrading/abusing strangers because of the internet.
“Is this real? Is this real?” Yes, this is real. Wake up.
Are you happy your little video went viral? Was it worth it?
Also can we acknowledge how the United States is one of the only countries that will tolerate this kind of abuse and disrespect on older people and even attempt to defend them for this?
In some countries your peers will get mad at you for simply complaining about your parents. They don’t tolerate this.
What a horrible friend group.
I suppose I would be stupid to wonder why the young kids couldn't help this stranger out to assist him in locating the lost phone.
Ghetto culture with shittty rappers, social media slop, no parenting. Instead of being respectable youngsters and helping the old guy, their 1st idea is to film "catch a pedo" youtube clip. Blame American "culture" on that
I believe they asked him what he was looking for and he wouldn't say.
Riiight because "they're kids". Some people think "kids" can't and shouldn't be empathetic, polite, or just decent human beings. According to some people, you are supposed to be a terrible human being as you grow up and then magically convert into a good person when you become an adult.
@@arsdelicata I think he said either snorkel, goggles, or telephone and they thought he said little girls.
@@samjones3106 He said he was looking for a little girls phone. In the process he got pushed down and hit in the face.
What the hell are you doing trying to drown a man then whining when he defends himself?
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. And why was that? She technically placed her hand on him first
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. Shut up jew
Every time he tried to get up they'd push him back down again. Maybe he would have got up and left if they LET HIM.
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. jew
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. They bodyslammed him, punched him and kicked him in the face before the knife ever came out.
Any one of those could have meant death if he had been knocked unconscious, and he was dealing with a mob of a dozen people.
If that isn't self defense nothing is.
He approached the situation poorly.
@@jr5993 i agree with you, its not self defense. its involuntary manslaughter.
@iplayfoofee3547 nope it's murder. Watch the interrogation. Zero remorse, which works against you in such cases. Voluntarily intoxicated. This man said he was drinking beer all day. He approached first. He then hit a woman first.
He's lied to police and lied under oathe multiple times. Tried to destroy evidence also.
At the end of the day the jury made the right decision even if those young adults were kinda being pricks.
5 seconds from ghetto gangster to screaming twinky
I cant believe they convicted this guy.
That footage paints the kids in such a bad light.Pure pack mentality.Sooo intimidating
It looks to me that a bunch of drunk teenagers thought they were tough and attacked older men then shit got real
Notice the lack of fathers..
Bet they're all sitting in court, supporting their unruly brats.
Even if he was the initial aggressor, he wasn't doing anything at the time they surrounded and attacked him. The kids became the aggressors escalating a second encounter. If multiple people attack you while you're down in the water, you are justified in using lethal force as defense. Although, once he stood up, I do not believe he was justified in using lethal force against the girl who had her back to him. It's definitely a complicated scenario.
Because A. he was refusing mutliple demands/requests to leave them alone/leave their space and B. decided to hit a girl in the face after being surrounded for.....you guessed it! refusing to leave them the fuck alone
Only in America these bully kids act like that. Educate your damm kids please.
The younger people should also have followed their own advice and figuratively walked away.
Mob mentality plus beer muscles.
To where? Their tubes that were literally right there, because they never walked 100yrds away from their group to antagonize another? Are we watching the same video?
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. well he dropped his phone in the water and was looking for it when they approached him and surrounded him and started recording him and threatening him then got other people to do it but none of that actually matters anyway, they admitted that he made a joke to them that they didn't like so they demanded he leave the the public River and the video is what happened when he didn't, you're a clown LOL they started talking to him, they said that in their testimonies and he responded with a joke they didn't like so they demanded he leave the River and when he didn't they jumped him which is what happens in the video then there's the prosecutor absolutely destroying these guys, it's interesting that some people aren't seeing that though every single one of these Witnesses and victims recanted every single thing they said during their police interviews and their testimonies during their testimonies... what was keeping them there? That's the problem but you guys are going to be real mad when he uses that same card "they could have just left" and it works for him
@user-xi2oaz8fu2z. yes, the onus is on the teens
@@ssgemactv1775 Yep, exactly. It’s amazing how dumb some people can be, and how they think harassment and assault are somehow justified because ‘he didn’t leave the area’. Legally he’s allowed to be there, and why should he leave and give into their intimidation and harassment? It used to be that you were told to stand up to bullies and for your legal rights, but according to these types of morons, you should pander down to them, because if not they’re somehow justified in assaulting you lol. It beggars belief that there’s people who exist with this type of mentality and who are completely devoid of logic and reason. It’s no wonder society is going downhill.