2020 vs. 2014 CPUs: Intel i7-4790K, 4770K, & i5-4690K vs. 10600K, 10900K, 3700X, 3900X
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- A lot has happened since our last Intel i7-4790K, i5-4690K, & i7-4770K benchmarks. The Intel i5-10600K, i7-10700K, i9-10900K, and AMD's 3700X, 3600, & 3900X deserve fresh comparisons.
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In this revisit of the Intel i7-4790K (incl. 4.8GHz overclock), i7-4770K, and i5-4690K, we're considering the new landscape in mid-2020. Our revisit back in December didn't have the context of AMD's new Ryzen 3000 pricing, which has fallen dramatically since (the 3700X is now much cheaper, thanks to the 3800XT, 3600XT, and 3900XT), and the Intel 10-series CPUs weren't out last time. Further still, we completely overhauled our testing methodology after the last revisit, all linked above, and that includes the addition of several more core- and thread-intensive games, like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Total War: Three Kingdoms, among other changes. The Intel i7-4790K Devil's Canyon CPU was a serious overclocker, so we pushed ours to an impressively high (for the chip) 4.8GHz, allowing us to compare vs. new AMD Ryzen CPUs and Intel i5-10600K, 10700K, and 10900K CPUs. Anyone looking to upgrade from their Intel 4790K and 4690K in 2020 is likely looking for the new "best CPU" out now, and our benchmarks will help identify the best CPUs for gaming, video editing and rendering (Adobe Premiere), overclocking, and production.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - If You're Out of the Loop
02:42 - 4000 Pricing and Current Pricing
05:20 - Three Kingdoms CPU Benchmarks (4790K, 4770K, 4690K in 2020)
07:32 - Total War Frametime Plot (Intel 4000 Series)
09:14 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Dx12 CPU Benchmarks (4790K, 4690K, et al)
10:55 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Frametime Plot (Intel 4000 Series)
11:26 - Red Dead 2 Frametime Plot vs. 3600XT
12:15 - F1 2019 CPU Benchmarks & Best Gaming CPUs for High FPS
15:36 - The Division 2 1080p CPU Benchmarks
17:12 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider CPU Benchmarks
18:15 - GTA V Very Important for Old CPU Revisits
19:34 - Blender Best CPUs for 3D Rendering
22:10 - Adobe Premiere Pro CPU Rendering Benchmarks
24:23 - Chromium Code Compile (Best CPUs for Programming)
25:10 - Power Consumption 4790K 4690K, 4770K vs. Modern CPUs
26:28 - Conclusions
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I got a xeon 1680v2 and x79 rampage iv extreme for a really good deal on ebay years ago. Granted a 9900k is faster but also way more expensive. I run it at 4.4ghz and it can hang with a 2700x in a bunch of tests. Spector and meltdown fixes disabled of course. At the time I got it, it was a deal, but it's not always found for cheaper than AMD parts. My next upgrade will be finding a 9900k below 300$ used and modify my z170 formula board for it. Deals are out there some times but it's rare.
The test results for the 4th gen seem to be in line with others missing spectre and meltdown for older chips, which causes a big performance drop. Were the test systems patched or vulnerable?
If you guys ever have time do some xeon gaming build. Also some Chinese motherboards x99 x79.
I am using a war torn 4690k. I am curious about Steam Remote Play. The performance hit for hosting remote play is quite noticeable for me, it basically cuts my frame rates in half. Games that do split screen, like Road Redemption, suffer very badly when trying to use remote play together. I know remote play together is basically streaming, but I am curious if Valve's implementation has a different performance profile. And in particular split screen gaming is quite different from typical streaming since it needs to track more AI on screen at once. So with a game like this, you not only need the compute to split screen, but also to stream.
I know that is a very specific thing, but I think it is a cool thing, and that remote play together is one of the best things Valve has ever done.
Can you do a test of systems of different price ranges? Like $450 vs $600 vs $850?
AIN'T ME CHIEF. I'm pushing this 4790k until it melts to keep up
Same, I just get better cooler and more fans every now and then :D
Same with my 2700k lmao this this is gonna have to last a while
I'm going to run my 4790K until DDR5 becomes readily available, at non-nosebleed prices. Time to crank up the overclock to hold me for another 1- 1.5 years. Come on Devils Canyon, we got this!
DO IT
i just replaced my 4790k for 10700k. its totally worth it if u play game
4790k, delidded with liquid metal for flight simulator, pushed to 4,9ghz at 1,520v for long flights session, still here alive, after seven years, i will always love him
Just because you still use it after 7 years, doesn't mean that it's not far slower than an 11600....
@@lev2727 11600 it's 300 usd 7 years newer, OFCOURSE it's faster omg
As far ad i will pick 12900k i think
@@lev2727 No fucking shit it's slower than a smack ass new processor, the fact that you can even use it in 2021 is insane considering it's age.
Paired with sensible gpus like rtx3050 it should do well now
@@HuntaKiller91 now i have a 11900k (i payed it 300) with a 3090ti
I love mining
Earth, 2058. Somewhere on the internet : "4790k, still beast!"
Yes
This is because it is
*2600k
I’m still running it, this thing really is a goddamn beast
@@JB-xl2jc it sucks, bottlenecking my warzone games 😴
Me: Guess I should probably upgrade my 4770k after 7 years.
GN: Nah.
Me: K.
That's basically how I felt after looking at prices last night. My I7 6700k is feeling old, but I paid maybe $600 all in for the motherboard and CPU years ago. Looking at a 50% increase in power, I'd have to pay $1000 for the motherboard and over $600 for the processor. I'll just sit around a little longer waiting for my 4k videos to render....
I'm still using my old 3570k 4c 4t @ 5.1 It's old and out dated, but still works fine at 1080p. Not sure why everyone screams that they need a million cores.
@@dropinbiking92 it's basically how 3770k was future proof back then same way rn
I still have this CPU as well and didnt upgrade my GPU due to fear of bottlenecking it. SO I bought a Xbox Series X instead which is probably 8x better than my pc lol. WOuld og cost me 2000 bucks to build a PC as good as the Series X... I got a new 4k TV too was still using an 11 year old 1080p TV.
Gonna upgrade mine very soon. 4770K just isn't enough for modern games like Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2 and BF5.
Dude!
I literally asked for this video lol. I mean clearly it wasn’t me but it’s still dope yall put this out
Happy to help!
Same here, rocking the 4770k and its nice to see how it stacks up.
"dope"
@@LordNS1 i am a amd man, but got a i7 3770k out of curiosity then onto a i7 4770k just for the usb3. it would be good to see a i7 3770k in the list. i have always said the i7 3770k or 4770k is good bang for the buck gamming.
@@GamersNexus Is there any chance of you revisiting the older HEDT platforms? Would love to see how the 3930K, 4930K & 5930K stack up these days given their additional cores and quad channel memory
Bought my 4790k back in 2015 (good classic intel vs amd days) and never regretted at all, never “really” doubted it’s performance. With this video the sail continues.
"A waste of sand" has to be harshest review ever given to a CPU. :D
at what time please? have watched it through, but can't find it :D
Which one is a waste of sand?
@@peterpepo9232 It's at 7:29 and refers to the 3800XT
I've been rocking a 4790k for years. It's been a great CPU.
Yeah man, can you believe those things came out in like 2013?! Mine hasn't missed a beat.
@@Rufiowascool (FYI) Devils Canyon (redesign) 4790k July 2014, Haswell 4770 was 2013.
Kent Ferguson ah right, maybe I’m thinking of the 4770. Still, has been a good run!
@@Rufiowascool I was an idiot to get Haswell Day One. Luckily, it's worked out pretty great for the 4770K. 7 years and looking like at least 8. Finally getting a new GPU, though.
My original desktop had a 4770k. Still being used in a NAS I cobbled together from spare parts and 2nd hand parts. Only new part in that NAS is a NAS HDD serving as a parity drive. Planning to get my hands on a couple of 3TBs.
I've been thinking about upgrading from my 4690k for a while and this video came at the right time
Did you ever overclock yours? Might be worth it!
@@GamersNexus I did but Rise of the Tomb Raider started giving me blue screens, had a dark rock 3 to handle thermals but still had to push it down to 4.1ghz. Beyond that it has served with honor.
@@GamersNexus right now am at 4.5 @ 1.28v, i might try dropping the voltage
@@rahmatramadhan9874 i got my 4790k to 4,5 all core with 1,18 volts.... i Booted into windows with that voltage and 4,6 all core... but my cooler is lacking. I think i have a golden sample on my hands, just need to delid and oc this puppy!!
I just received my 3700x to replace my 4790K. The Intel processor ran strong for many years and really was great but now it's become sluggish.
My 4770k is going on the 'sentimental' shelf of PC parts. It earned it.
My 4690k will be doing the same. Built it in 2014 and yeah, it's starting to shown its age now but it has been a solid CPU for years. Best one I've ever had.
Mine will probably retire next year. It will probably be replaced with a i7/9 12xxx or AMD counterpart, depending on their performance and how good Intels Xe GPUs will be. Intel has said that among other things the Xe GPUs will be able to use the integrated Xe-LPs in the CPUs and thus increase performance massively. This ofc doesn't work with AMD.
Until then I have to figure out why my i7 4770k crashes when oced for me than an hour above 4,2ghz. Its not heat, power issues or the like.
My 4790k has been put into my data server as a NAS.
nah thats the 2600k best intel cpu ever
@@pauljackson112 it time to oc it. I put mine on 4.7 Ghz now and it work great, significant different vs stock 3.5 ghz and turbo mode 3.9 ghz. 4.6 Ghz at 1.38v or lower would be a safe spot if you worry about stability. Max voltage for this cpu is 1.52v.
earned yourself a sub! Godamn beautiful video. alot of sweat has gone into this. looking like a few generations still in it for my 4770k @ 4.6ghz haha
As someone with an older system looking to upgrade, this is perfect!
I'm a 4790K owner, I got 6 years out of it, so no complaints. I'm doing a new build this year but I'm holding off for the arrival of Vermeer, Ampere, and Big Navi.
Mine is still going. It is an absolute beast of a cpu.
Man. Every time I watch one of your benchmark compare videos it blows me away how much work goes into them. Not just performing various benchmarks in a controlled environment, but making the data legible/animated, giving meaningful breakdowns of the various data points, and discussing cost/performance value for people struggling to decide on components. You guys do incredible work, THANK YOU!
Awesome, the exact shootout I was waiting for for so long!
And what do you know, you confirmed what I already concluded and I'll probably be replacing my 4770K with an AMD 3700X, or whatever equivalent Zen 3 has to offer.
man, this video really hammers home how much my 4690K is flagging. my friends couldn't believe I was hitting 100% CPU and going robot voice in discord when trying to play Warzone on pitiful settings. funnily enough, a friend is upgrading and giving me their old 4770K, so I'm glad to see (from these benchmarks) I can expect a pretty good uplift while I wait for the fall/winter 2020 product releases :)
Yeah my 4770K (4.5GHz OC) is able to handle Warzone pretty well, paired with a RTX 2070.
At 1440P, no AA, I average around 110 FPS in Warzone with Game Bar Video Capture turned on. Still hitting near 100% CPU usage but everything runs well (Like Discord).
Do you happen to have an RTX card and if so, are you using RTX Voice? I found that RTX Voice caused “robot voice” distortion while gaming, and a large performance hit too.
@@npopson
glad to hear it runs well on the 4770K, it should tide me over nicely!
I'm on a GTX 970, so certainly overdue for an upgrade there as well :) I think the "robot voice" thing is an artifact of when I hit 100% CPU, as discord is getting starved of CPU time and the voice stream is interrupted/distorted.
Literally have the same issue with the I5 6600.
Dude I've seen 10k$ PCs experiencing fps drops in warzone after a while, that game is so poorly optimized...
War zone will still have the same issues regardless. I had a i7-4790k and same issue would occur. But good luck.
I think my 4790k is going to hold on until ddr5 at this point
I think so dude
One of the best desktop CPU's Intel made, along with the 8086K.
its one hell of a CPU. still used mine till 4 months ago, needed general upgrades.. so my 4790k is waiting in my room until the new shit dies out
Same, delided 5Ghz it's holds up great
I sold mine right when Covid hit, along with a z97 mobo and DDR3 RAM. Side graded to an X570 and 1600AF and I'm happy with it but I'm not gonna lie, I do miss my 4790k, it was my first Intel K series CPU and it did me well for the past 5 or 6 years :(
This video is like watching a really smart auctioneer talk about CPUs.
I see that you are among 2x playback Chads
i5 4690k: I guess I'll die.
Me: I'll tell you when to die
heh I've been using it for almost 5 years. Although it's paired up with a RTX 2060 now
@@shitpostcentraI just upgraded to a ryzen 5600x and its completely changed my PC, it performs sooooo much better in games now
@@steffan5304 Must feel great. I was planning on upgrading but it's not really worth it for me money wise and I only play CSGO and rocket league which both run 200+ fps. I overclocked my i5 4690k from 3.9Ghz Intel turboboost to 4.6Ghz got some more power out for now.
@@shitpostcentraI yeah to upgrade the CPU i had to upgrade motherboard, ram and cooler. however since i was getting all those parts i got a new case and M2 drive to go with it. cost more than id like in total but my 4690 lasted me 5 years so im hoping this one will last me at least a few years too
Got i7 6700 (non-K), got it second-hand, no regrets :) I can still easily upgrade a GPU from my current RX 570 without hitting a CPU bottleneck.
I feel like this is directed at me........ Leave my 4770k alone Steve!!!! Its still ok 😭😭😭😭
Still better than my 4460S, lol
@@spare7230 I just built this PC lol. Its going to be used as an HTPC in my living room
I've got a 4770k system sitting by my left leg right now. Haven't turned it on for months, so I'm not sure how slow it actually is...
I have still 4690k
I've had my 4770k clocked at 4.5ghz for 6 years now. Still running like a champ. But I'm definitely ready to upgrade. Just waiting to see what AMD brings this year.
ty for helping me figure out how far my "you only need 4 cores for gaming! (2015)" i5-4690k is doing nowadays lmao
Tbh it depends on what you play. Outside a few games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider it's still passable if you're only targeting 60fps especially with a 4.5ghz all core oc
I was a bit surprised with how low the i5 scored. I was using a 4690 non-K before going to a R5 3600, mainly because my mobo died, but I didn't have problems running any games
Seriously hurts fps in Gta v and warzone 2 of my most. Played games rip. Be getting only 60fps in gta and lows of 70 in warzone.
My 4690k running stock speed is having trouble running Jedi fallen Order. Don't know if it's drm or unreal engine but it hitches a lot. Pretty sure it's the CPU since it's always pegged to 100%.
EDIT: I did undervolt it so it can run at boost at all times under the stock cooler after my aio liquid pump started to fail.
@@zwruble try putting it on an ssd if you have one. I know that game has issues with asset streaming. Like on the regular ps4 and xbox it strait up locks up when moving about.
"You kids! Get offa my lawn!" - i7-2600k
4790K peels out on lawn with mud tires and straight pipes.
*i5 2500K
@@modellking idk, 2500k is far behind 2600k in recent cpu intensive games.
Clears throat*
I7 930
yeah my i7-2600k is still going strong. The only time it starts to stuggle is bf1 in 64 player conquest only sometimes. Almost always have 80+ fps even in pretty intense games. escape from Tarkov taxes my system pretty hard too.
After watching this video 10 times in the last 3 weeks I've decided to finally upgrade. I can't handle the beating that my CPU took on those charts :D
I've been rocking a 4690K since 2015. I thought it was more than enough until this pandemic situation forced me to work from home as a software developer. The i5 is showing it's age when I try to run/debug a lot of back-end services talking to each other alongside the front-end.
Also the latest batch of AAA games started to bring the CPU to it's knees while my 1070ti is left starving - I'm looking specially at you Death Stranding!
Here in Brazil the current price gap between a Ryzen 3600 and the 3700X is not so big, so today I've pulled the trigger on the 3700X alongside a X570 motherboard and RAM.
Can't wait for it to arrive next week!
Mas os preços aqui são agressivos demais, 170 dólares pelo R5 3600 comparado com 1600 aqui é matador x.x
@@felipechaves6612 O Famoso custo Brasil :/
That's gonna be an awesome build!
I ‘m planning the same , I got 4790k but will buy 3700x now for gaming and video editing.
Had an i7 920 that lasted me until zen 2. Performance was breathtaking.
Classic CPU
Still running an i7 3770K OC @ 4,2 paired with a RTX2060 it definitely does the job !
@@ledidier15042000 Same here, i7 3770 4.2GHz, 2200 ram with uv'ed vega 56. 8 year ols cpu that still doesn't have issues running modern games.
Still gaming on my i7-920 overclocked to ~3.5 which puts the ram at 1600.
You’re breathtaking!
I've been putting off the upgrade for my 4790k.3D printed a delid tool (+conductonaut) which helped the noise/thermals. I think I can hold off for ONE more generation.
This helps a lot. I’m looking at building a pc for gaming/recording (maybe even streaming) and from the research I had done, I knew Ryzen was the way to go, but I didn’t know much about Ryzen CPU performance. I had heard good things about the R5 3600X, but with Ryzen’s latest price changes, I was wondering if the extra 2 cores and 4 threads on the R7 3700X was worth looking into. Thanks guys, you got a new sub! 🔥
Steve, could you test windows 7 vs windows 10 gaming performance and see if there may be overhead on windows 10 that may impact 4 core performance?
Do I just match my 10850k with the 10900 in this graph since they're just a 100mhz difference ?
Yes
Pretty much
Of course bro, there literally the same cpu
I love these kinds of articles, even though they make my old 2700K feel a little long in the tooth.
Probably gonna upgrade to an R5 3600 sometime this year
Awesome idea!
The R5 2600 is $100 cheaper and a great upgrade from personal experience!
But if budget isn't an issue, may as well go 3600 or even wait cor 5600
Massive appreciation for going through the trouble of making this video, coming from a 4690K and GTX970 user.
Currently waiting for Vermeer to go with a Ryzen 5 4600 later in the year to finally upgrade
Same Build, same plan haha. Hopefully the 4600 is not that expensive.
Just tore down and rebuilt my 4790K rig from mid 2015. This is still such a solid build. EVGA GTX980 SC Gaming ACX, 16GB TridentX DDR3 2400cl10, ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer, and a 500 GB Evo at the time of the build. EVGA 750w fully modular Gold 80+. No upgrades or major cleaning since the initial build. Took a can of air to EVERYTHING and MAN that was a lot of dust. Tossed the dinky stock cooler which, by the way, was so caked on from 6 year old thermal paste that it actually took the CPU out the socket along with it. Threw in a 120mm AIO... This thing feels like new again, idle temps from 50's back down to 27C, load from 80's back to high 50's. Boot times from mid 30s range back to 13s, which is actually just under 2s quicker than when I first built it..... Not sure how that works but I'll take it... I'm fully convinced this thing's only at it's half-life and has another 6 years to go. Not as a gaming rig though. That's what my 3800X build is for now. Yep, I bought your absolute most FAVORITE processor in the entire world, Steve. Totally no sarcasm there. At all. Not a drop. None.
Just noticed I have the Haswell chip variant as well, not Devil's Canyon, and I never set an XMP profile. LOL these dimms been running at 1333 for over 5 years....
Listen to tech-Jesus! I love how casual you sound when destroying the XT series.
I feel like Haswell was the last worthwhile Intel generation, Skylake was nice but at the time not worth the jump due to cost of new memory etc, whilst everyone knows why Kabylake hasn’t aged well, leaving Ryzen being the best thing since Haswell in my opinion.
Broadwell was the best thing to ever be screwed up. It had good integrated graphics, (almost as good as a first gen ryzen apu, 2 years earlier) and a huge L4 cache that improved memory perfromance. I have an i7 5775c and it is 0% bottleneck on a 5500XT running games at 1080/ultra/75hz freesync. If these features had been carried over to Skylake, Intel wouldnt be in the position they are. people would more likely have forgiven the process shrink stumble if they gave out more features. Take the i3 10320. If that was an i3 10350K, and had better onboard graphics than a ryzen (which they could, intel makes fine gpu cores, they just dont add many, expecpt they did on Broadwell) nobody would even consider the ryzen with the slower single core. But now that there is competition both companies will force each other to change, so ill bet we see stuff like this soon. i can wait till then, because i feel the jump will be pretty big when Intel shoves it into high gear.
Nah, ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx are shit, buggy and they lost more than 60% of their value. Shit silicon.
@@eclipsegst9419 I'll tell you a little secret: even i7-2600k won't be bottlenecked by 5500XT, it's an entry-level card.
@@arkdesign9517 yeah, the Ryzen 1000 is Sandy/Ivy Bridge equivalent, 2000 is about in line with Haswell, and 3000 finally caught SkyLake. But, Rocket Lake is using Willow Cove cores, and after than 10nm finally arrives. AMD will have to work some magic to keep up. Just die shrinking isn't the answer. If they hadn't gotten lucky that Intel had foundry troubles that caused them to ditch 5 years of work, they would still be way behind. Their latency is still poor and their IPC/die size ratio is still bad. Ryzen 1000 was their 14nm and it was far worse than Intel's first 14nm Broadwell. So the fact they can only just catch Skylake on half the process size is nothing to brag about really.
@@justvid366 it's a lot faster than my rx480 was. It's a mid-range card, but it can run ultra at 75 locked on the most demanding games I own, and the ones I play the most it could react the hundreds. 95 % of gamers are still at 1080p so I'd say it's totally relevant. Nobody needs to upgrade for more cores, and won't in the next 2 years either. It's best that anyone on an i7 Haswell or newer just hold off and let the heat of battle drive up features and down prices. AMD fanboys just want everyone to jump ship just because they caught a break and caught up with Intel's 5 year old architecture. When that would be stupid when the new process is so close to here, and will likely pull a fair bit ahead. AMD 14nm= Intel 32/22nm AMD 7nm= Intel 14nm. They will be lucky as hell if they can keep up, considering that we have now reached the point of diminishing returns on die shrinking. They will have to fix their underlying issues to continue competing.
thank you!!! my brother has an older rig of mine which has a i5-4690 in it and was looking at upgrading. He was looking at going the route I went with a 3700x but this helps put it all into perspective. Trying to go super technical with him makes his brain power off so having a graphical representation that directly compares what he has now, with all the options before him is MUCH easier to process haha
This video was made just. for. me. I feel like you really get me, ya know? Many thanks - exactly what I needed to know for my next move! Currently on a 4790k and debating between the 3700x and the 3900x now... leaning towards the 3900x.
converted my 4790k build into an unraid server. I've gotten more use out of this processor than any other ive owned over the years
upgraded my 4790k to 3900x and drilled a hole in it. now my old 4790k becomes my keychain
@@wangruochuan no...
@@wangruochuan WHY?
@@lawabidingjoe7020 I know, yall be like what a huge waste right?
Chill, I overclocked it really heavy and has been my workhorse on 3D modeling and calculation for years.
Till the end of last year it finally busted. it locked at 3.0ghz and a full ram surge on use would crash the system. had so many crashes while working.
a cold start of my pc usually take 10-15min. lights and fans would bling but everything just repeat itself till, if lucky, the system boot up. I ruled out every parts just to make sure it was the cpu. not worth the money to fix it or sell. nobody want a broken cpu. someone quote like 5 bucks. I rather keep it myself
@@jose9th it was broken anyway
When I upgraded my main PC to a 3900X system, I turned my old 4790K into a pretty sweet gaming PC for use in the living room. Still gaming strong.
working as a software developer, tons of docker containers running, VMs, occassional video cutting, ocassional gaming with my 1080TI.
Still running my Xeon1231v3 from 2014. I could really make use of a 24 Thread CPU. But man, i kinda dont wanna let that old CPU go. Its the most reliable system i ve ever had
Awesome! Such excellent and relevant comparisons! Thank you 🍻
It would have been great to see an i7-5775c included. I know it's a rather niche CPU but it's a great interem upgrade for Z97.
I upgraded from an i5-4690K to an r7 3700X back in February, and the difference in daily tasks & games is a big improvement.
I would realy like a video like this, but comparing the 10 Series to 6 Series (Skylake), since its also 14nm and the architecure hasn´t changed that much..
Nice video nonetheless! He always finds ways to make videos the no one else has done! Thumbs up!
Not going to lie, I'm starting to feel like it's time to replace my I7-4790k however I feel like its been too good to me over the years and I can't bring my self round to replacing it.....
I'm gonna be real sentimental about this one. It has given me 6 great years, best CPU I've ever owned. Can't believe how well it aged. Thanks intel for not pushing for years lol.
@@a_funyun I had similar thoughts concerning my 2600K, but it was time...so at the start of this year I ordered new parts (including a Ryzen 9 5950X) :)
Same about my 5820k. OC'd that bad boy a whole 1.5 ghz over stock. 6 core 12 thread hung on awhile
Thanks for the hard work on this fantastically interesting review. I still rock the 4790k @4.6MHz and 32g's of 2100MHz ram.
Bought it at conception and it's been on a xspc block and a quad rad the whole time. I mostly use it to play Skyrim heavily
modded and MTG Arena (60HZ). I still run the Asus GTX980 Strix and this set up still does more than I ask of it.
I was contemplating an upgrade, but why when this set up is still quite good for my needs.
Running at what Volts ?
@@thenic123 1.24v manual. Funny, I just got a notification
from windows saying my current set up will not run the newer windows...lol.
still rocking my i7 4770 :D. maybe i will finally upgrade when Ryzen 5000 with AM5/ DDR5 is here
Same here, i7 4770K... It has served me very well, but that 10700K, or maybe a 4700X, along with M.2 NVMe, and faster DDR4 are making me think it's time to upgrade.
I just gave the nephew my i7 2600 for a Ryzen 3600 on a x570 motherboard (both using SSDs and kept my GTX 1070).
I noticed a huge difference in game load times (particularly Ark and 7 Days to Die) and some games run smoother. For day to day use though, not that big of a difference.
Yep still using my i7 4770, plenty of life left in it
ryzen 5000 is here but with am4 and 8 core 5800x will prolly kick ass.
@@tobalaz Made a similar choice - retired (well: semi-retired, it is still my backup system!) the 2600K last week and got a Ryzen 9 5950X (and kept the 1070 GTX AMP Extreme for now - GPUs are too expensive ATM and the card has some life left in it :) )
Your frame time graphs are good. I have missed them since techreport fell apart. I hope you keep doing them :)
First time seeing your vids, they are just GREAT !! Love the actuality, relevance and organization of the vid, thanks a lot ;)) From the pricing looks that 10600 is best choice for gaming today
I'd like to see a comparison to the older higher core count Sandy, Ivy and Haswell HEDT to modern upper range consumer platform CPUs for gaming. An OCd 3930K to 4.5Ghz for example with fast RAM still has a lot of CPU horsepower, and i'd be curious to see how it compares to the latest Ks and AMDs X/XTs. I'm suspecting unless you go for high refresh rate monitors for FPS games there wouldn't be much gain for gaming.
4790K gang here since release. It's been some years. I've been thinking of upgrading to 3700X since I do gaming, streaming and production. On the other hand kinda wanna keep the 4790K until it melts!
@Hugo Gómez Tagle not yet. Decided to wait for the Zen3 release. Depending on the performance of the Ryzen 5xxx i'll decide if i go for a 5600 or a 3800X
@Hugo Gómez Tagle 5800x is btter choice now
To this day, I'm still using the 4790K as my daily driver ... it's the best CPU I have ever owned.
As I'm not an extreme gamer (mostly strategy games @1440p), this and my GTX1080 are all I need at this point (and I don't even overclock!).
Gone are the days of upgrading every year, as I grow older I prefer keeping my $$$'s in the bank instead of making upgrades that would make a minimal difference to my use case.
It's always interesting though when Gamers Nexus makes comparison videos like this one, it makes me reevaluate whether I should upgrade or not .
Keep the great content coming guys, best tech channel on the web.
I can't remember if I asked you to do such a video or Linus but in damn happy you made this. I'm working with a i5 4670k so I'm taking the old i5 results with a pinch of salt for myself.
Thank you again for this. I think I'm going to wait until DDR5 is a thing and by then new CPUs are out and might get more than double my current performance, closer to maybe triple 😊
Finaly, thanks Steve! Looks like I will strech at least another generation out of mine. Maby even wait for DDR5, and skip DDR4 entirely.
I'm guessing we will see DDR with the next series of CPU launches in 2022. 11th gen Intel, and Ryzen 5000 series are probably the last to use DDR4.
AMD will want to use it's new socket AM5 for at least 5 years again, and that will REQUIRE it to use DDR5.
I'm still using a 4770K. I'm able to run most new release hands reasonably with a minor overclock. Not planning on updating yet. Maybe next year?
I have an i7 4790k and a gtx 1070 TI and the truth is that everything works perfectly. It does not have low fps, I am very satisfied. I have had the micro since 2015 and it still works!
Thank you so much! I have a old i5 4690k and was looking at a 3700x, but it was hard to see how they really compared.
are any of these benchmarks that anyone can run or are they custom steve? i was wondering how my 5930 hedt cpu at 4.5 would do in those charts? im using a cranked up 1080 ti too.
It would be absolutely great to redo this video once new AMD products get out, and test how the latest GPUs work with a 4770. I think that for a lot of people the next few month will be a good opportunity to buy a computer that will last a few years.
The 65w processors are the sweet spot. Basically everything over that is paying for heat, and barely any gains.
I just upgraded from my 2600k to 4790k, this year, 2020 Nov 11. This accompanied an upgrade from a 5400rpm hdd boot to a wd black m.2, Im watching videos of this cpu compared to the current ryzen 5000 series and damn this thing is slow af. But, why does it still feel so damn fast?!? I can't imagine if I upgraded all the way to current top end parts. I might've had a heartattack tbh. Anyway it's good to know my 4790k is still a good cpu today. Thank you for your content GN!
The amount of work to do this video...man. Good job!
4790k gang here, still rocking on 4.8ghz with a gtx 1080 on 1440p!
970 rog in sli... want a new gpu so badly. Gonna be a light years leap with an RTX 4080 XD
This video made me laugh, "we were wrong before about the i5 being all you need, but we're totally right now".
Thanks for putting a video like this out, I have a 4770k and this helps put things into perspective
I sincerely appreciate this video, and the information overload it presents. But the rate at which you manage to verbally output information.... Completely overwhelms me. I know now how average joe feels when I'm talking to them!
had my i7-4790K on a 4.6ghz OC for 6 years now... been going really well until the last few years where CPUs are getting more cores but still very viable as a basic gaming machine given it's age
Running at what Volts ?
4790k all the way, never even clocked it. Realised the other day i had been running it at 97 degrees C for about 18 months too, fan grille totally clogged, luckily the water cooling stopped it frying. Proper workhorse CPU. I think i spent £200 on it at the time, the modern day equivalent would cost double that.
@@kittystar4874 Ye mine was running into upper 90s for 2 years or more before i realised why it was always shutting down without a temp warning, it's water cooled and all i had to do was disable intel turbo boost, i don't need that extra 400MHz. No problems at all since.
@@kittystar4874 Reported to authorities for hardware abuse
Am quite relived that upgrading from i5 4570 to 3700X was a good decision. Especially for my ML workloads its been tremendous boost.
You are right Steve older intel parts don't drop in price. Been trying to upgrade to an i7 part.
I just converted my old pc into HTPC to reduce e-waste. Its serving me perfectly.
Thanks for the video guys, this was very helpfull! Been rocking my 4790k at 4,8 GHz since 2014, currently run with a gtx 980. Im looking to upgrade my monitor to 1440hp 144hz which will require a GPU upgrade. Im either looking to snag an rtx 3070 or a used 2080(ti). Hopefully the botleneck isn't too bad. If it is then the 10600k is looking like a really good option since I do no production and mostly game.
"We're big fans of trying to get the most mileage you can out of everything"
I'd say the 11 years that I've gotten out of the X58 system that I bought in 2009 and that still continues it's life in my parents' PC was kinda worth the asking price. The X5660 Xeon that I bought for 45 euros in 2016 and that netted me 50% more cores and threads and a modest ~700MHz clockspeed bump over what I managed to squeeze out of my old C0/C1 stepping i7 920 was also kinda worth the asking price.
That machine with an old R9 390X played Farcry 5 quite nicely for four days straight when I stayed at my parents place over the Christmas holidays in 2018.
I like to keep some old hardware too, I have this as my htpc:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 OC 3.2 GHz
GTX 460 1GB OC Windforce 825 MHz
Asus P5QL PRO
4x2 GB RAM Corsair XMS2 800 MHz 5-5-5-18
Thermaltake V1AX + MX-4
Thermaltake Soprano RS 101
Corsair TX-750
2x Cooler Master Sick Flow 120mm
Been playing rocket league and cs go at 60 fps, and finished black mesa remake a few months ago
I'm still rocking the i7-920 with a R9 270 gpu LMAO...trying to pick something new that will carry me another 11+ years.
I’m still using a 920 with C0, it’s ran it’s entire life at 3.5ghz. Only upgrade was a GTX 970. Runs every single game I throw at it. Granted I don’t have a 4K screen...
Great video! As a owner of a 4690k showing its age now, I'm glad you're still able to revisit old hardware acknowledging most people don't go through computer hardware like candy like a lot of other channels.
An aside, any good OC guides for a 4690k that I can try before I spec out a new rig late 2020/early 2021?
Random question have you upgraded? I'm representaing the 4790k and am struggling to convince myself it's worth it to upgrade
@@Mirr0rify I was planning to upgrade late 2020 but had to hold off due to the world shortage of parts lol. Maybe summer 2021 I'll shop around again
@@jedikv Same boat. I don't mind paying extra for the scalped stuff now, but the struggle is real. DDR5 is still not completely committed to a timeline but once thats available i think its time to retire the 4000 series
@@Mirr0rify the more I wait. The more I save and the better rig I can get lol 😉
@@jedikv update ? lmao
I gave my 4770K to my kids about 2 years ago, it still works fine when gaming only but since i also use virtual machines in my work i did change to a 2700X and now upgraded to a 3900X.
Would love to see this done with ocd older cpus.
Still awesome to see the revisit.
A recommendation to anyone running 4th gen intel (or older). You might load up a program to check your CPU temps (HWMonitor for example). As 4th gen intel was ~7-8 years ago. And for the last several years since I got into computer repair, ~8 years seems to be the avg life of thermal compounds.
I've fixed dozens of machines that were idling at 70-90c, and throttling all the time under load despite being nice and clean, no dust in their coolers, and a few even begin watercooled. Pull off the cooler or heatsink to find some rather crusty old thermal compound. Clean it up, apply fresh, put it back together and turn it on. Nice, high 20s low 30s idle temps, with say 40s while under heavy load.
YEP, my cpu, i5 4690 non k recently was idling at 90 but it was really throttling to stay under 100c, took the fan off gave it a clean no improvement, took it off and realised i forgot to put thermal paste on and it went down into the 30c idle range, so yeah no change between the old thermal paste and me forgetting to reapply any thermal paste when i cleaned my cooler shows just how useless the old crusty thermal paste was, it was doing nothing. computer made in 2014
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Absolutely correct. I bought a very cheap (i5 4690k with a 660gtx for £250) computer 2 christmases ago as I wanted to play 7 days to die and a few other older games. I did this thinking I would stick a cheap 2nd hand 1050ti card in it as the 3000 series was just coming out. Well that didn't work out very well as the chip shortage happened. First thing I did was strip and clean it down to its component parts and pay some nice new thermal compound to both the CPU and GPU. Made a massive difference to both sets of temps and stability.
I'm still using a 4790K. It's amazing to me how well this CPU still runs games. I'm planning on upgrading next year but the 4790K is easily the best CPU I've owned so far.
So far it's tied with my dual socket PIII 1ghz lolz. Was a great rig of the day!
same with my 4770k , still runs most titles just fine
Some are still upgrading now though... I see alot if 4770k and the fact that 4790k is even available on the market says people are starting to jump ship!
Id sell now while people are still stupid enough to pay brand new Ryzen 5 prices for a 2nd hand quad core!
The fact it has 8 threads and 5ghz is why it should still be easy to sell to the right buyer
Mine sadly stopped working just few days back, after 7 years of use😥 Rest in peace, old pal.
@@juusokorhonen1628 * salutes * It had a good run.
I love that you do these reviews on the 4790k I am still using. I am running 4k res so my increases on these new cpus would be far less.
Awesome video - literally just looking to upgrade from my 4790k and it seems the pathway is set for the 10600k with an OC and room to upgrade in the future . TY so much
good luck finding one
Oh hey, this seems relevant to me. Still on a 4790K here that's been serving me well. It took some years for Intel to surpass their own 4790K's single-threaded performance by more than a pittance, but even after then didn't seem worth upgrading. Now with how good Ryzen is looking it's been looking more tempting to upgrade, but been on the fence lately still. It's not a huge amount of my time at the computer where things are particularly CPU-bound anyway.
are u looking to sell that 4790k ? :D
I have my 4770k with 980ti. I am planning to upgrade myself to a 4950x and 3080ti. Thank pc will hopefully last forever. I can't wait for the releases. Will convert my old into a storage/streaming server.
@@SuperMarijus lol yep 300$cash its yours
I loved my 4790k. It's now in my living room system with a 2080 Super. It has no problems playing games at 4k60 with very high quality gfx. With the main bottleneck being the GPU at 4k, the 4790k still does well and it's easy to get 4.6Ghz out of it with zero hassle.
Super Marijus Yeah for $80, it’s a gamers nexus price. They seem to be dropping out of the sky.
Me chilling with my i7-4770 (non k):
*I have a AMD Radeon HD 8570, I need a fricking better GPU before my CPU would even make a difference.*
i have a 4790k overclocked 4.4 ghz all cores, 2400 2x8 16gb of ram and a FRICKIN GTX 960! i couldn't upgrade the last year because i change my car and now im stuck with this pandemic economic crysis hahaha. I need to override that bottleneck dude
@@RamaAlonso 4.4? That's it? I was able to get mine to 4.8...the clock, at stock settings, boosts to 4.3.
@@jose9th learn the difference between all core and single core boost :P
@@Galf506 At what voltage? 4.4G is low even for a 4770k
i had to switch my 4770 non k with ryzen 1200. i had no money to drop at the time and destiny 2 was stuttering so badly it was annoying. for what it was being in a prebuilt machine, it's a really nice cpu
Thanks for the data, great work. For the Power consumption, you mentioned that the newer ones are more efficient but it would be great if you could show us normalized values, e.g. the total power that was needed to finish the task. Great that you mentioned it though. Maybe I get it wrong, but it seems like the Watts pulled are interesting when choosing the power supply, but it's not really useful as performance comparison.
Not sure if I took the right data, but just to show what I mean, based on your Blender GN Logo render times and the W used in Blender :
AMD R9 3900X Stock: 150W x 11.4min = 28.5 Wh to finish the task
Intel i9 10900K Stock: 129.6W x 15.4min = 33.26 Wh to finish the task
I'm pretty amused because right now, I'm actually still rocking the Intel i4690k, so this particular video is interesting to me. I'm looking to upgrade later on in the year (probably Black Friday / Cyber Monday deals) fun video to watch.
Wonder how my 5960x @ 4.4Ghz is holding up to the new 8 core CPU's? No one ever does a benchmark with the older x99 Cpu's, or if they do they run them stock. At least this gives me a rough idea on the Haswell CPU's. Maybe an idea for another video, x99 6 & 8 core vs the new cpu's!
4.4GHz on the cores doesnt paint the whole pictureat all. If you are runnning no OC on the ring, it will be slow, and you will be losing a lot. If you have crappy memory you also will be losing a lot of potential. With proper overclock: cores + ring bus + good tuned b-die memory its somewhat competitive with the new intel parts. Well It wont keep up with 5.3GHz/5GHz 8700K/10600K/9900K/10700K/10900K with tight 4000+MHz memory but Im sure it can give Zen 2 run for its money, and be even faster in some games.
@@kindis4282 i prefer a stable system then an unstable system with oc-ed memory anything higher then 3200 mhz on a z490 can cause problems, game A might work great while game B gets u into bsod heaven.
But can it run Arma?
They realy need to release a single core with 10GHz...
Then I'd need to buy a two CPU motherboard (one socket for a high-core-count-CPU and the other for the high-clock-single-core :D )
Steve....I have not seen this before, but my son has the same kitty you have on your shelf! We looked everywhere to find a potential second in case he lost his and here you have one haha He loves it!
Just as an interest piece I wonder how this would stack up against modern CPUs that use the same ram timings and speed. To try and quantify what the RAM speed uplift is doing vs the CPU. Is DDR3 equivalent to DDR4 if all timings and speeds are set the same?
Devils Canyon were such great parts, so much value! I wish present Intel was a bit more like past Intel.
Tbf my 8700k is still going strong at the 4 year mark
Just helped a friend upgrade from his i5-4460 to a Xeon E3-1241v3, basically a 4790 but with no iGPU and costed $40 less. He’s been enjoying it 😚
The Xeon's were the secret 4+4 recommendation's back then, have one working here. well, Intel screwed that over later, but yes, if you were really fixed on the price, you didn't
go for the i5, you took a Xeon.
I did the same Yesterday xxD
but i changed to a real i7 4790 that i got for 75€
Edit: 88,89 US-Dollar
dude i did the exact same thing i5440 to xeon e31246
@@fzuniga nice and how it perform ?
@@speedcorejihad8978 i just bought it from aliexpress xd, in about a month i should get the results
Thanks for the great analysis! If it isn't too much trouble could y'all please post the 4790K OC settings? I've never seen the uncore so high let alone stable, but I'm very curious what voltages were tweaked just to get that chip at 4.8Ghz stable without it thermal throttling performance.
Great video and comparison....
Got free pc parts and upgraded my old i5 2500k OC @ 4.6ghz to an AMD 1600 OC @ 4.0ghz. Also upgraded an old stock i7 4790 to a stock AMD 3700x. Hope I made the right upgrade path using this free parts.
I would love to see the same benchmarks but in higher resolutions.
I'm still rocking a 4690K with a 1080Ti but on 3440*1440 and it runs pretty damn good.
I just wonder how everything scales when you up the resolution.
You know its a CPU comparison, not GPU comparison? The more you increase resolution, the less the difference between CPUs will be. Btw isnt somewhere at the end of the Video a part with higher res/details and how close the old Intels are coming to modern ones?
3440*1440.... i bet its hard to find benchmarks in this res :D
You need one of the I7s, because doubling the threads would help with gaming. You could overclock heavily for even more performance, but that would require de-lidding and crazy cooling to stay at acceptable temperatures, and also otherwise overkill VRM heatsinks on the motherboard. If ur in the UK, you can cheaply and easily get a 4770K from CEX.
Have a 20US$ i7-2600K/Xeon E5-1620 overclocked at 4.5GHz with a cheap 20US$ cpu cooler, and they still pushing almost all the actual games at 60FPS 4K/2.5K on a RX 580 8GB...
I was able to make an upgrade from an i3-2120 to an i5-3570S a few weeks ago for $50. Absolutely worth it and will probably extend the lifetime of my (almost decade-old) main desktop by another year or two minimum. That'll hopefully get me to Zen 4 and the AM5 socket.
Would have been nice to see a top performer from each era in between to see the leaps between releases.
The charts in this are real big though, but if you do another video like this you could do it with just the top CPUs from AMD and Intel per generation.
I think i may need to upgrade my cooler before i up my cpu clock speed, can't overclock my 4790k at all or itll bsod
Still running the 4770k with 2400mhz ram on a maximus vi hero, my overclock in only 4.3 stable
You have no idea how much I wanted this video 2 months ago. I did do the jump from i5-4430 to a Ryzen 3600. It was worth it.
Sweet. Can you do the X79 systems next? Sandy and Ivy Bridge E both seem to have aged well with 6c/12t and quad channel memory.
At this point I feel like I'll be using my 4770k until the stars burn out. 300 moneys for 40% more frames is not worth it. I think I'll wait to build an entirely new system whenever the hardware gets close to double the power of my current setup... whenever that is.
I still can't believe I was able to get a 4790k for $130 back in 2015. The chip is a trooper and I'm still using it in my current PC with no issues. I wasn't planning on upgrading until DDR5 became mainstream but I got a R5 3600X for super cheap so I'll be replacing it soon. I'm definitely keeping this guy around for a possible secondary build though.
Hey 2 years later and im almost the same situation! Except i have a xeon e3 1240v3, pretty much just a 4770. But i just barely bought a R5 3600x for about 100 bucks so im happy
@@siamese7577 Lovely! After more than 7 years I'll retire my 4790, I got a good deal on a used R5 7600x for about 200 bucks - the fact that it's holding today is honestly incredible, kudos to Intel for designing such a timeless piece of technology. I'm sure I'll keep this guy around too
I have an i5 4690k and depending on the game i might benefit from a 100% fps increase if i upgrade. However i will never own a top-tier gpu (just not worth the money for my use) and was wondering what kind of improvement i could expect with e.g a 1070. Is it correct to expect something like 30-60% increase?
Nice hard work! I'm trying to keep my i7-4790K as long as I can.
Another interesting comparison would be to test game launch and loading times on 4/0 CPUs vs 4/4 (and higher) on an SSD. Game loading times are soo undervalued compared to FPS! I noticed while testing and playing Forza Horizon 4 that the loading times are much much faster on 4/4 than 4/0. This is because games store compressed data on the disk and the decompressing speed of the data during loading in realtime depends on the CPU thread count+speed more than the SSD speed. Which means that having a higher thread count CPU we additionally lose much less time while waiting for the game to launch and load levels. This can be a good factor to switch a CPU as well, not only *just* for FPS numbers. But for other benefits that are core to gaming as well.