Ignite Honestly it’s a better than the demoted to a extra/exposition dump that he became when he returned (seriously why did Araki bring him back just to do that with him).
My most hated trope is the tsundere managing to smack the main protagonist so hard that they are dazed but the main character defeated villans that can blow up planets
I always wondered if they’d kill someone off in a fire emblem anime. Most people reset the game when they lose someone so all of the characters make it to the end usually. Then again, outside of support convos, a lot of characters aren’t important anymore after their initial recruitment, so maybe after you’ve explored a lot of their better convos you could kill them off?
The past few games would like to have a word with you (I get making perma death optional is for new players, but the map design really shouldn't make it necessary in order to not have anyone but your like 3 best units not get ganged up on and murdered in a round every map)
actually they can pull this IF the main character is actually the summoner not the "isekai hero" so every episode / arc will end whenever the "hero" die or fail and then the mc (summoner) will say "ah shit here we go again" or something like that lmao
Hold on a second, did you unironically think Sabo died? You can see that twist coming from 1000 miles away. The real bullshit resurrection in One Piece was Pell.
Pell will always be the black sheep of one piece when it comes to death i hated how it turned out he was still alive i can excuse bon clay being alive since it's only show on one of the manga's cover arts but not hinted in the show and sabo since it was going to happen but pell was bullshit
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 The guy in the alabaster arc who flew high into the sky with a bomb to save everyone from taking the explosion. Or something like that. It's been like 10 years since I've last seen it. But I remember him clearly still holding onto the bomb when it exploded. Anyway at the end of the arc, he's seen pretty injured but very alive.
For those who don't know, Avdol was revived because Araki didn't feel he gave him enough time and that killing him because he hated to draw him was shitty
My rule on resurrection is people get one, any more and that’s pushing it. But if there is a ghost or a clone or a computer with the characters memory and personality than that doesn’t count as being brought back. Anything past the first resurrection they better have a DAMM good reason to be brought back, like the story better explain that and it better lead to something amazing happening.
literally kengan omega had a clone of this dude named "edward wu" named "gilbert wu" who not only is a clone of him, he has almost the exact same design except younger (even down to the hairstyle), and has this process where all of the dude's memories and personality were infused into him, essentially just making him a younger version of the dude he's cloned from. Its the most bonkers way I've seen a character been revived without actually reviving them.
Yeah, Dragon Ball kinda wrote itself into the corner when they decided death was basically the time out zone. At least, when it comes to making deaths meaningful. At best you remove a fighter from the game for a bit. In order to add any stakes at all they had to put the fate of the entire universe in the balance. Lack of Foresight seems pretty obvious.
The problem is, Toriyama intentionally wrote himself into that corner. Originally, Shenron only had the power to revive a person once, and for some reason decided to get rid of that rule once Dendei took over
The thing that makes Dragon Ball work imho is that the tension isnt about whether a character dies it’s about whether a character will stay dead. I think DB has become pretty self aware that death really doesnt mean much and doesnt try to make it so, but moreso tries to make the tension about the race for the Dragon Balls Take the transition from the Saiyan Saga to the Namek Saga. We’ve already see Goku and Krillin get brought back to life and by now we know death can easily be reversed. The deaths the Z fighters are given against Nappa are emotional character moments (and Yamcha’s wasnt even emotional it was just “oh shit he died”) but it’s not simply because the character died, but it’s what they died for (especially Piccolo). The whole plot of the Namek Saga is “well our friends were dead and we need to get them back *again*.” The whole tension in that arc is whether Vegeta, Frieza, or the Z fighters will get their wish in a thrilling struggle of wits with brutal consequences if you fail. Dragon Ball’s execution with this concept has gotten pretty sus after the Cell Saga but just in my opinion, Dragon Ball hasnt given two shits about characters dying for a long time, which is why they literally killed Goku twice One of my favorite works of fiction is still Harry Potter, and one of the aspects of Harry Potter i love is how the author makes it a point to say “there is NOTHING that can bring back the dead.” That line is said multiple times to confirm that death is final, thus making the tension “Will the character die?” In Dragon Ball there are multiple instances of the characters going “fuck it we can revive all of them anyways so long as we win.” Naruto? Yeah fuck the Edo Tensei. That mid series is a clusterfuck of tone shifts
Maybe someday--the anime really discouraged me from wanting to play the game, but if it really is THAT much better, then maybe someday. On a scale from 1-10, how accurate to the game is the anime in your opinion?
Maybe like a 5, it's not really all that incaccurate, but it's super rushed to the point of losing its tension which is, you know, the point of a mistery anything. Both games are on Steam too.
Typically, spin-offs based on a VN are often inferior to the source material. This is mostly because VNs can take their time to tell a story, using lots of text and relatively few pictures. Movie < Anime < Manga = VN, in terms of how expansive a story can be. Mind, VNs typically have a slice-of-life pacing - that makes them feel much slower than the other mediums. Stein's Gate, Higurashi, Fate/Stay Night were all based on visual novels.
Red Bard I might be six months late but if you're reading this I think you should at least consider playing the first game, and if you choose to continue to the second game I'd have to say it's just so much better in pretty much every way: the characters, the quality, the story, the trials, the executions, and the overall complexity of the murders and the plot just make it so worth playing
The anime is notoriously inferior to the games and even most of the fanbase despises it. Even the voice acting in the games is much much better quality.
I feel like the naruto argument is a bit wonky. Yes a lot of characters are 'revived,' but I can't really think of a permanent resurrection from it. What does come to mind is having team 10 be forced into a fight with a revived Edo Asuma. I feel like having Shikamaru, a character who couldn't manage to save his sensei and the first person who believed in him and helped him develop into the chunin he is now hasto kill that man who helped him. And then there's also Chouji's struggle to hurt one of the few people who didn't look down on him cause of his weight. Other fights added to the lore of the series and brought out characters that would fight for Madara's side, seeing as few of the living ninja would have sided with him. Orochimaru has now come to mind as the only exception of a permanent revival, but I could be forgetting some. And you very much know what you're getting into with dbz and it's resurrections. It spells it out for you as soon as you know they can revive people and I don't feel like the quality is tainted by it. Vegeta's death still had serious emotional weight for me even though I knew he'd be back. I'd also like to bring up shaman king which played with the resurrection idea a bit. It became a training method which I thought was interesting and it basically highlights what death is for some anime characters but it says it outright. But whatever I'm probably just shounen trash
Prince of Panair even in permanent resurrection like gaara, someone still has to die in order to revive them, like it involves some sort of equivalent exchange. But despite some good things like some of fights, a lot of these issues stem from the war arc and the finale which are a little messy
After the Pain arc, resurrections started to be used more and more. Sure, Pain died using his resurrection jutsu, but he also revived every single person he had killed in Konoha, and he killed loads of people. Also, Orochimaru's resurrection just made things worse.
Your argument lost its worth after you brought Shaman King. A shitty story where we are supposed to be sad and sympathetic toward hypocrite genocidal edgy bastard. So bad I dropped the series after Chocolove went blind.
I think it's interesting that you used One Piece and Sabo as a background example while you were explaining the idea, because right after seeing the Sabo flashbacks in One Piece I was already fully under the impression that he survived and Luffy and Ace only believed him to be dead. I immediately got the implication from the little scene where someone on Dragon's ship tells him about finding a surviving child, "that's got to have been Sabo, right?" In fact I was so sure he was alive that when the trailers for Jump Force showed a living, adult Sabo well before I had gotten to his reappearance in my watching of the series, I barely felt it counted as spoilers
This girl just called out my otome-game, isekai loving ass. And yes, I say otome games because I bet a large portion of reverse harem animes are otome adaptions lmao
I agree wholeheartedly. I can't even begin to count how many anime and Japanese video games (usually the ones that have an anime art style) have used this trope and failed miserably, and as you said, even certain things in western media. Hell, I love Supernatural, but it got really predictable really fast that whenever Sam and/or Dean died, there would ALWAYS be a way back out. I remember one of the more recent seasons, there was this whole thing about how if they died, they couldn't be brought back this time, and I just sat there and thought "Yeah, sure there isn't, I TOTALLY believe that" because there is literally no reason to think that's even remotely true when every other time they've died or been in a situation that may as well be considered a form of death, they've always been brought back just in time to start a new season. Or Fire Emblem Awakening, a game that I've had mixed feelings on since I finished playing it. There's a lot of things I might be willing to overlook under the right circumstances, the tropey characters, the dating sim aspects, the marriage option being nothing more than actual waifubait. Okay, maybe not that last one, but the first two I can forgive under the right circumstances. But if there's one thing I cannot overlook, something that would kind of ruin the entire ending for me, even if all that other crap wasn't weighing the game down, it's how Robin sacrifices himself to finish off Grima, everyone acts all sad and depressed, and then only a few minutes later, oh shit, Robin's alive, and he's here lying in the middle of a field like before! That's called "bookending", dear player! Aren't we so clever for doing that? It doesn't matter that Robin's sacrifice was actually meaningless, pointless, and hastily thrown in at the last second so we could check one more trope off the list of hundreds that we've already thrown in, we were able to end this story similar to how it began, so clearly our ability as writers is up there with the greatest literary minds! It pisses me off to no end, and I don't get why writers feel the need to do this knowing that they're just going to bring the character back later for an incredibly stupid and probably pointless reason. I guess it's to boost ratings or something, but it just seems like a cheap way to boost ratings, it usually seems too convenient to bring a character back, and most of all, it's way too cynical towards their audience that it's kind of amazing how little backlash there is for these kind of decisions. I can remember a time when a death in a story was supposed to be a big deal, when it wasn't something you just threw in to recapture people's attention when the story was starting to get stale, when the concept of death actually had some weight to it and the loss of a character was supposed to actually feel like it affected the others, not just a situation where everyone needs to act sad because the plot calls for it. But now the trope has been so overused that viewers have kind of become desensitized to it, and now it's the natural reaction to think "Oh, they'll be back in an episode or two, maybe next season if they really want to drag it out."
I personally think that the resurrection trope is fine, as long as these requirements are met. -When someone gets resurrected, it must have a price. (Which is why I like the shadow dragon concept from DBGT) -The resurrected character must be important to the plot, not just some side character that people felt bad for. -Or that it’s a comedy fantasy anime and death should not be taken too seriously (Like Konosuba)
One thing I'd personally add to this list: It needs to have a pre-established reason and/or methology as to why/how it is possible to bring the character back. In the case of Dragon Ball, it's the name sake of the show, collect the 7 balls, summon the dragon Shenron and he will grant you any wish, after which the balls become dormant for a year.
At least Jojo only had three characters (in the anime) that "resurrect". Which would be Avdol, DIO, and Bruno. And they still permanently die sometime in their parts anyway. And DBZ and resurrection is one of the many reason why it is one of the most normie anime's ever made.
But in defence of the sabo case in one piece, is a actually kind of hinted at sabo being found by Dragon. At least I was about 80% certain, that was what happened until it was confirmed.
1. The clueless mc, asta for example or any mc in any harem 2. The tsundere who clearly has a crush on mc but constantly beat him up for minor reasons. For example sakura haruno or noelle from black clover
DR SPOILERS : Them : mention Danganronpa DR V2 : sweats in junko is revived as the mastermind yet again and everyone is actually alive since it’s all just a simulation
I agree, the series sort of loses some credibility in my eyes if a character comes back to life with no real explanation or sacrifice made. It ruins the moment in which they died, and it makes it hard to fully believe another character the series kills off is dead for real. The only exception I personally can make to this is Houseki no Kuni (Land of the Lustrous), but even then it’s not the same. The gems are immortal and don’t die, they just shatter and can be repaired if their shards are collected. But it still impacts you when they do get damaged because with every shatter they run the risk of never getting those fractals back.
It's OK to bring dead character back but do it the right way. I kind of like Naruto style of bringing the dead back. I love how it's still feel fresh for their second death. But Dragon Ball? Yeah, the series should let something go.
But, there’s only one resurrection in SEED, and it’s with Mu not Kira. Kira is called Jesus Yamato because he’s always right not because he came back from the dead. He never died, they only made it look like he died, which is a common trope everywhere not just anime. It’s why everyone always knows if you didn’t see them die, they aren’t dead. Even then, there are only 2 arguable “resurrections” throughout the entire series. Hardly the worst offender.
love your name comrade, Yeah, no one is dead unless they have their brain, soul or whatever destroyed based on shows tech/magic level. IRL that's even becoming more true, with levidicas syndrome being a real thing that just happens and no one knows why, some folks just revive themselves about 10 minutes after deaths that stop the heart.
This is why I love Jojo part 5 cause everyone who dies actually dies. Spoiler: Bruno wasn’t a asspull just because he accepted that he was gonna die. No matter what he was gonna die
You said Ressurection happens more in anime? Have you read or watched any DC or Marvel bullshit. Not even talking about rebooting the timeline that brings back dead characters. I am talking about ass pull That brings people back to life. Jason Todd,Superman,Iron Man,Spiderman etc
I will just leave this here since it is very current as of now. Penny from RWBY brought back in the recent volume. I felt like I was stabbed and my blood gushed from my heart. It was a very bullshit move.
I'm writing a book where resurrection is one of the main plot goals. The love interest of one of the main characters dies around the end of the first act and it sets them off on a quest to resurrect them. There are several issues with this though. First, resurrecting someone is a bitch to do and you have to pay a hefty price for it, alchemy style. Second, not many people can do it and the only people that can are basically celebrities that have better things to do. Third, the person resurrecting them has to pay a price to do it and good luck finding someone willing to resurrect someone they don't even care about when they have to pay for it. Fourth, the love interest was kind of an abusive asshole piece of shit and also a competing celebrity so the odds of someone wanting to bring her back are even worse. When they do bring her back, she's lost her magic powers which were tied to her fame because she's been gone for so long and people moved on, and it turns out those powers were emotional manipulation so they weren't even legitimately in love with her, which they had sort of figured might be the case having had all this time to think about it but they only really accept it now. So the main character that's done all this shit to bring her back finally fully comes to terms with the fact that she doesn't even deserve it and regrets doing it at all, especially because of all the fucked up shit they had to do to bring her back in the first place. She wasn't even worth it! And how do you come to terms with that?? Giving so much of your life to this person, in a sense *literally*, and they're just an abusive asshole who makes your life worse! There's nothing you can do to get back what you invested. All you can do is move on and try to heal. Shit sucks, but that's life. If this were the only payoff to the single major story the entire book has been building to it might be a huge turnoff but there are multiple stories going simultaneously among a few sets of characters and this is just one of them. It's the one I've put the most work into so far though. If resurrection is going to happen in your story it's gotta be a big deal and it's gotta be a bitch to pull off if you want there to be proper stakes.
You know... I never actually thought hard about the resurrection trope. Actually, despite it being so common, I never thought of it as a trope, just a normal part of anime. But... I resonate so strongly with everything said in this video and now I'm like... 'yeah... that is kinda bullshit and I really hate it.'
A concept: learning to resurrect the dead is a part of a character's arc, nobody else can do it, and they can only do it under very specific and restrictive circumstances. For example, the dead person's body has to be mostly intact, and they can only be resurrected within a specific amount of time after dying, let's say 2 hours. With all of this pre-established the emotional impact of death isn't destroyed, instead it's changed completely. There can be tension involved in needing to get to the dead person in time, there can be dramatic irony in which nobody can reach our resurrector and they're blissfully unaware that someone is dying, there's the fact that they can't be in multiple places at once, and most importantly, the feelings of guilt our ressurector feels when they can't save someone as well as the feelings of resentment toward our ressurector when another character's loved ones can't be saved on top of the emotional impact of a permanent death
I had a similar idea as well where it has a time limit but an added consequence in that it follows the Equivalent Exchange rule in which the caster or someone else nearby has to give up their own life to bring back the other. In other words, to bring back a life, another's life must be forfeit. However the resurrection can only happen once for the intended target so they get a second chance at life, but if they die again then they cannot be resurrected again. If they die once, there is an opportunity to bring them back in exchange for someone else's life. If they die a second time, there is no second chances, you are gone for good. With the exception of Time Travel of course since your going back before they die, but I had a different concept for the consequence of Time Travel.
DC comics had an event during darkest night where like 90% of the heroes get possessed by the death entity... because they all died in the past. At least they did something with it.
Most hated trope is the female characters who are just there to be eye-candy or a love interest. They have no strengths, no likeability, boring as cardboard, naïve and clumsy. They don't actually stand out to do anything and there's no actual reason why the main/other characters like them apart from convenience.
I don't hate this trope. The more fictional an anime, the better. People have forgotten that anime and cartoons are just that, and are expecting them to be 100% realistic or logical. The whole idea of fictional media is that you are able to do anything that you can't do in reality, as long as it's entertaining and consistent. It doesn't have to make complete sense or be completely logical in the grand scheme, hence super powers, transformations, and anthropomorphism. That includes resurrection and even "plot armor". Now how Resurrection is portrayed and who they resurrect is a different story.
supersonicmario56 thank you, I really cannot stand it when the fandom complains about something that isn’t realistic because it’s fictional and NOT REAL LIFE!!!!
@@xblade149 Of course there's no excuse for crappy writing. There are other reasons a story is bad besides the fact that the writers decided to bring a character back to life. It just seems like people think that for a story to be good, a character has to die, or when the main character, the MAIN character survives something due to a realistically logical reason, or logical due to the rules set up by the story, a lot of people complain about it being "plot armor". It's the MC, people!!!! The driving force of the story. They're not going to die, and if they do, it won't be so soon into the story, unless they weren't the MC to begin with. It's one of the reasons why I don't like that anime, Kill la Kill. People seem to like it for the very fact that characters die, and that's it. EDIT: I meant Agame ga Kill.
@@supersonicmario56 what? People didn't die in kill la kill except for the main villain, the main villain sidekick nui, and senkusu. Im confused by your comment , have you even watched kill la kill?
HEy. The first FMA anime isn't garbage. As long as you stop at the last episode and DON'T WATCH THAT MOVIE. At least it had better pacing than Brotherhood.
wait what? danganronpa? I dont think ive ever seen a character come back once in that series. if you're talking about the twist in the first game, thats very well explained, since its not actually the character.
I’m fine with getting people back to life trope, As long as 1. The series is centred around it like dragon ball or 2. They do at least one thing for the plot.
I was informed yesterday day that the coach Howard proposition can also be called coach Kamoshida proposition and the bad touch sensei proposition as well Remember kids if the girls want the pedophiles then why cyber bully the boys And also gotta catch them all
To be fair in Seed's case..... they did explain Kira's close call in the manga AND the Astray manga. Seed Destiny however, I'll give you that one. He should have died, but that's what happens when you have a fangirl running the development of a Gundam anime (There was a writers strike at the time and apparently the consensus seems to be that the job was pushed to the wife of the man who was overseeing Seed Destiny and because she was a major Kira fangirl she pushed heavily for him)
Dragon Ball Super killing Piccolo again trying to emulate his death against Nappa gave me diarrhea. Back then it had impact, the Dragon Balls were gone because of it, and thus they had to go fuck off into space for an alternative. Now though? He gets resurrected offscreen, and we knew he would. lmao what a stupid move.
+Laura Ortega game over timeline- good characters, everything has an actual reason New timeline- Character arcs? What character arcs? Vriska is being a bitch and nothing makes sense at all. The only good things we got out of the new one were the bit of development for Dirk and Dave on the rooftop.
Yeah, but my bigger problem here is that Vriska, for example had a good reason to die. She ruined Aradia's life and kinda killed a bunch of Lowbloods. I know she did it for her Lusus but come ON, that thing probably could have eaten something else than just trolls. Anyway, she got beat up and was dying, but suddenly BAM! VRISKA IS BACK BITCHES! She just proceeds to be there and acting like nothing happened. Don't misunderstand me, I *loved* her character arc and how she was more of an actual person towards the end of Act 5, but you can't just bring people back to live that should have been dying! It was even stated somewhere (I can't exactly remember when and where), _Vriska cheated to get to god tier_ , and cheating death is literally another one of those things that happens to those kind of protagonists that die every season and then get resurrected.
it's the same as in JRPGs when the basic enemy lvl 50 is just a recolor as the basic enemy lvl 1. In Japan, girl lvl 50 = girl lvl 1 + Hillary Clinton mod
@@bowserfriend And regardless of where it happens more often, it feels like it's only superhero comics that try to sell me an issue on the notion of a character that I KNOW is going to come back eventually dying for some contrived reason. Which makes it a million times more obnoxious and insulting.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 if they told him Avdol was in hospital, he could've run his mouth and one of dio's spies may have heard. He wouldn't be able to defend himself in that state.
Death Note illustrates a different (yet similar) problem that you sometimes see in other anime/games. When a character dies, rather than being revived, they hastily introduce a new character that was just like the old character and takes their place.
Red Bard ok I just wanna the Edo tensei was explained thoroughly it's mechanics and how it worked we got alot of character arcs finished because of it so it wasn't bs especially with sasuke
@red.its the opposite for me. n&m sucked. i stopped caring until the final five minutes of death note after L died. if L had walked back in and said he had faked his death(or somehow revived) that would have been better.
“you pervert” scene transition girl smacks main character noise scene transition character swollen up that really needs to die. it stopped being funny 20 years ago, burned through the “not funny, but always a classic” phase 10 years ago and turned into instant-drop-this-anime 5 years ago. just...stop.
That moment when a tsundere sneaks into your house (that's home invasion) and randomly takes a bath in *YOUR BATHROOM* and *BEATS YOU UP* for going into the bathroom while she is bathes.
@@kai-jf2vd I tried to watch it 12 years ago and thought it was annoying as fuck, so no, in my opinion it was never appropriate. I see what you mean, though, that was a long time ago. I'm old too. Let's cry together
At least the "resurrecions" in jojo are funny, for example Joseph going to his own funeral, not like other series that want you to take them seriously. Also, Araki said he hates bringing characters back to life, and only does so if it's necessary.
And the anime only audience would really think he might be dead, considering Jonathan, the main character just died, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think Joseph would die as well. Other ressurections also have their fair reasons, like blowing cover (avdol), maybe hamon blood (part 3 Joseph) , and not actually being ressurected fully and is slowly dying (bruno)
How about someone taking a piss and a dead character they had killed comes back through the piss to kill the guy taking the piss, then he goes on with his life trying to be relevent to the plot and his resurrection doesn't come up again.
I love how you mention stardust crusaders a bunch meanwhile in battle tendency Joseph survives falling from a volcano and only was revealed to be alive at his funeral.
Also, it was genuinely surprising. You may think "Well, of course he's going to survive, he's the main character", but Part 1 literally had the main character die. It set you up to think Joseph was going to die, only to bait and switch you.
Supernatural arguably has both Marvel and DC beat on sheer frequency of resurrection. According to the wiki I looked at, Sam, Dean, and Castiel have been resurrected at least five times *each* over a 14 year run. That doesn't count "they never really died" fake outs; these are full-on dead and resurrected events.
I mean the trope of the guy walking in on a girl changing works for Ouran because the character and people who weren't spoiled need to know that the main character is in fact a girl who can be mistaken for a guy. It actually contributes to the plot rather than have it as a common gag scene where the girl gets embarrassed and then beats the shit out of the guy.
@Excelsior Ouran is a standout simply because the protagonist is not a boring flat personality you are meant to insert yourself into. She actively challenges the tropes she is presented with. Ouran manages to be both a great reverse harem anime AND a critique on reverse harem anime. It manages to be hilarious but also genuinely dramatic. Its only failing is that it ended and did not continue following the manga.
@Excelsior definitely read the manga. The anime is cute but it can get tropey, cumbersome, and annoying. The manga is where the real meat if the story is at.
The worst example is Kirito dying in Sword Art Online, who after getting a screen saying "you are dead," and his character stops moving, he WILLS HIMSELF BACK TO LIFE with little to no proper explaination.
SagePanic For bruno, he wasn’t completely alive. In jojo, souls can stick around after deathbed(for example, Reimi i think)if they have enough resolve. Giorno basically repaired the body, and so Bruno was able to pilot a decaying corpse
I just hate how modern anime characters are basically rehashed stereotypes that don't behave or talk naturally. Hayao Miyazaki actually spoke about how a lot of anime writers today are a bit out of touch from reality and don't socialize and observe/study from life much. This inevitably leads to characters with unbelievable personalities. I mean, it's fine to have them be a little quirky and unrealistic. It is, of course, anime. But when you compare older characters with new ones, there's a very clear difference to how they behave. What were once just occasional over the top anime reactions has now become the ONLY sort of reaction to every little thing, and everyone just talks and behaves so melodramatically.
You should probably watch Bennethesage. He reviews lots of horrible old anime. This isn't really a "modern" problem, once you remove the nostalgia goggles. Ever seen Mad Bull 34? The anime about rape and a cop who attaches grenades to his ballsack? Nowadays, we don't even get many anime like that anymore. Miyazaki is an old hipster, btw.
Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't Greed 2.0 a different character? He had none of the memories of the original Greed, and only had the same personality because both versions were created from the same source.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Greed 2.0 was indeed a different character, but he did regain some memories from his previous life later down the line, but like you said, that's because he came from the same source, not because he was the same person.
What about the fact that many anime protagonists seem to lack a father for some reason? Like, I understand work hours in japan are super long so many households won't see their fathers a whole lot until very late in the day but come on, they seem almost nonexistent for some reason. I dunno, just something that's always bugged me.
Oh my god thats so true. Natsu had Igneel who taught him fire dragon magic then HE ABANDONED HIM ( I dunno if he comes back or not I'm only on episode 142 or something like that I don't remember lol). Then there is Lucy. Lucy had a terrible father that was always focused on work and when Lucy finally visits him after being missing for 7 years he's dead. RIP Lucy's dad. Then there is Gray. Gray had parents but they were killed by a demon named Deliora. So then, a woman named Ur took him and Leon in and taught them ice make magic and then she got killed protecting Gray and Leon from the same demon that killed Grays parents, Deliora. Erza just never has parents I don't think lol
Yea, I haven't played the games sadly--to my understanding, the games give a much more reasonable explanation about Junko's situation, but as far as the anime goes, it leaves much to be desired.
Sabo is a bad example, everyone knew he was alive. His only relevance in the story is if he remained alive. Far different from resurrecting someone like idk Ace.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Sabo's death didn't really carry any emotional weight to the audience though, having him still be alive is a more emotional reveal then his death ever was
@@devyboo2 then just show he survived the explosion in the flashback rather wasting time pretending that he's dead when almost everyone knew he wasn't.
@@fightingmedialounge519 In the arc in which he died, he may just as well have been a filler characters and we weren't really emotionally attached to him when he died. That arc was rather made to briefly introduce him.He just earned his emotional gravity when we found out that he still exists. If you are gonna complain about Resurrection in One Piece Pell would have been a much better choice of character to use.
@@devyboo2 I also think that there are much better characters she could have used, but the point still stands. If oda wanted us to believe sabo was dead then we run into the problem of the author faking a death just to get a reaction; if oda wanted us to believe he was still alive then keeping his survival ambiguous was pointless. Even if you we use the introduction excuse then there were better ways to do it.
@@Vigriff so far the only well known Western comic character who died and never came back is *Gwen Stacy* from The Amazing Spider-Man. there are many multiverse versions of her but the real Gwen stay dead.
(minor spoilers for Danganronpa games) The Danganronpa anime adaptation is pure shit and it's a disgrace to the Danganronpa games but what are you talking about? The only instance of resurrecting a character that ever happpened was Alter Ego and it wasn't really that ridiculous, plus they were literally shown for two seconds.
@@zapbolt8 But that's not actually Junko, real Junko is dead, when she dies in 1, she dies for real. Which admittedly is KINDA lazy, but doesn't count as resurrection.
My most hated trope is the lovable perv. It’s really not funny seeing characters being excused for their harassment. Or even worse justifying their harassment because at the end of the day the girl was into it (like in dragon pilot)
How about the lovable pervert who always gets punished for it and is clearly just there for comedy relief? Granted, that trope is probably getting old by now.
It says a lot about someone to whine about feminism when it's pointed out that a perpetrator of repeated sexual harassment is gross af It's really sad if you think basic human decency and understanding of consent is a radical feminist concept. Grow the fuck up, mate.
I mean the trope isnt doing it right if you dont love them. I personally dont care if its not used that offten as a joke. Its just a bit oversaturated do to somes show completly overusing it quite a bit. (Bassically the same for most tropes though)
@@alexbenavidez4500 It's Tribalism, an us vs them mentality. They retreat into their extreme corners and declare anyone who doesn't absolutely follow their dogma to be working for the other extreme.
Good video! I hate the trope too, but can kinda excuse it in JJBA because resurrection is one of the least bizarre things that happens in the show and they have Stands that can make them look like they're dead even though they're not.
Avdol's revival was complete bullshit, but the other revivals in the series are actually good compared go other shows. They all make sense and don't cheapen the story
@@frezzyflame3844 You can tell it was jarring because Araki was actually going to kill him off and then panicked. Some would also consider Joseph surviving in Part 3 to be BS, if only because they actually show his soul leaving his body. If you ignore that part, then it makes sense that his brain hadn't become deprived of oxygen long enough to sustain damage, since most of the fight was in stopped time.
@@frezzyflame3844 *SPOILERS FOR PART 5* In the midgame of part 5 it is implied that Bruno isn't the same as he used to be. During his fight with the boss, he was shown being killed. However, Giorno heals him at last minute, and when it looks like he bit the dust, he wakes up. By the end of the episode Giorno comments on him being different from before, which implies that he was already dead. Then several fights later we see him slowly decaying as if he was a zombie.
A Person But the fakeouts have very solid reasoning s for being there (Except for asahina's fake death that's just dumb) Kokichis fakeout death was funny, it threw people off guard only because nobody expected there to be a fakeout like that. Hifumi's fakeout was done to trick everyone to think he was dead before he was killed off for real. (I don't even think you can call this a fakeout death because most of us didn't know it was a fakeout until after he died) I'm pretty certain those are the only two times this happened correct me if I'm wrong.
When you mentioned western works bringing back characters, how the hell did you not mention comic books?! Western comic books have a worse problem with this than anime! There was even a robot chicken sketch that was entirely about making fun of this concept in comics! Remember when Superman died, and it even made the news, only for him to be brought back shortly after?
For me it's really annoying when characters lose their powers that's integral to their identity, but through bullshit reason gets their powers back, or they were about to lose their powers but minor/unimportant characters sacrifice themselves so that the main characters doesn't have to. That undermines the sense of loss and sacrifice by the characters, and the sadness the fans felt.
You know what'd be better? If they lost their powers to a sacrifice but are able to get their powers back through hard and possibly life threatening means. Then at least there's weight behind it, like they'd rather risk straight up dying than not being useful anymore.
Related: Disability being 'cured', especially if it was a disability the character started with. Because you're only whole if you don't have a disability, of.... course.....????
@@Eclipseknight9 It's implied that Joseph never really died but was trying to pull a prank on his own Grandson. Alternatively, it could be argued that he pulled a huge prank in DIO by tricking him into thinking that Jotaro was actually dangerous.
Yo ngl when Avdol came back the first time, I wasn't pissed at all even if I cried the first time, I was HAPPY AF THAT HE WAS ALIVE LIKE WOW BITCH I MISSED U, (same thing with Joseph in part 2 AND 3)
Sailor Moon is a show about resurrection and rebirth. You're basically complaining about core aspects of the story that make it interesting and unique.
And i thought that fmab is a series about Equivalent Exchange though its stated in the show that souls exist and you cant trade anything for a soul. Its also a show that clearly says through father thats its wrong to achieve the power of god or atleast with the "wrong" way.
@Z M Sure I did; you're just misinterpreting the video. It's pretty clear that she likes Sailor Moon in spite of it sometimes bringing dead characters back, not because of it.
Naruto actually doesn't bring people back to life that much. There is reanimation, but they are more like zombies, and they die again after a short time. Most dead characters stay dead
What sucked about the reanimation jutsu is that Kishimoto overused it in the war arc so as to reduce the impact of war for the main characters instead of bringing in new enemies who were actually alive and fighting for something which would lead to bloodshed on both sides and make Naruto and co reluctant to kill. And pain arc brought back all of konoha just because.
cuenta de mierda que utilizo para cosas but that was to advance the plot and it worked out bc it added to Nagatos character so much. Also, only he people he recently killed came back
I liked the first FMA alot when I watched it. And you kind of have to watch it so brotherhood's first half doesn't feel rushed. Hugh's was a better character in the og series because we got to actually spend time with him, in brotherhood he does to early
>avdol dies
>avdol resurrects
>avdol dies again
Avdol: flames die twice
Ignite he didn’t die the first time
Avdol's phoenix powers failed him in the end smh
Ignite Honestly it’s a better than the demoted to a extra/exposition dump that he became when he returned (seriously why did Araki bring him back just to do that with him).
i thought he just faked his death?
PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED! :D
So that was a fucking lie.
With utter straight face. And likely oblivious to why everyone suddenly gives him rather gawking looks.
Said Shirou Emiya after being ressurected in the first episode
@@DanielFernandes-nn8fn Too bad more people have only seen the screencap than the episode so he'll look like a straight-faced dope for most.
Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right
My most hated trope is the tsundere managing to smack the main protagonist so hard that they are dazed but the main character defeated villans that can blow up planets
I hate the anime males that are so submissive to tsunderes like grow a pair
The tsundere punches Mc with the power of love
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 Everyone should admire a man who believes in true equality.
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 kazuma and seiya
@@OizenX
Touma punches women in the face I think he tops Kasuma.
If they decide to do a Fire Emblem anime, you can almost guarantee that whoever dies stays dead, thanks to permadeath
every time a character dies they start over from episode one to try again
Camus wants to know your location
I always wondered if they’d kill someone off in a fire emblem anime. Most people reset the game when they lose someone so all of the characters make it to the end usually. Then again, outside of support convos, a lot of characters aren’t important anymore after their initial recruitment, so maybe after you’ve explored a lot of their better convos you could kill them off?
Shout out to the Devil Survivor 2 anime for killing off basically the whole cast lol. Who ever was playing the game must have been really bad at it
The past few games would like to have a word with you (I get making perma death optional is for new players, but the map design really shouldn't make it necessary in order to not have anyone but your like 3 best units not get ganged up on and murdered in a round every map)
Well they didn’t bring back L. They replaced him with worse L
And Prison L
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 Press L in the chat for respect.
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Imagine an isekai/reincarnation anime where some guy dies...
... yeah, he just dies.
*CREDITS ROLL* 10/10 would marathon again.
Well that's not a series just the setup to a dumb joke
@@hellblaze10
Its a joke and you know this *Right?*
actually they can pull this IF the main character is actually the summoner not the "isekai hero"
so every episode / arc will end whenever the "hero" die or fail
and then the mc (summoner) will say "ah shit here we go again" or something like that lmao
@@enma9359 Isekai Gacha :3
Truck-kun triumphs at last!
Hold on a second, did you unironically think Sabo died? You can see that twist coming from 1000 miles away.
The real bullshit resurrection in One Piece was Pell.
Fuckin' thank you.
"Oh huh, I actually feel kinda sad about that boy-FUCK IT I GUESS NOBODY DIES EVER FOUNTAIN RULES IT IS"
Pell will always be the black sheep of one piece when it comes to death i hated how it turned out he was still alive i can excuse bon clay being alive since it's only show on one of the manga's cover arts but not hinted in the show and sabo since it was going to happen but pell was bullshit
Ima be honest I don’t even remember who that is
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 The guy in the alabaster arc who flew high into the sky with a bomb to save everyone from taking the explosion. Or something like that. It's been like 10 years since I've last seen it. But I remember him clearly still holding onto the bomb when it exploded.
Anyway at the end of the arc, he's seen pretty injured but very alive.
For those who don't know, Avdol was revived because Araki didn't feel he gave him enough time and that killing him because he hated to draw him was shitty
Only for Araki to then waste him completely and kill him off again...
Or because Hol Horse was planned to replace Advol
@@kellogscornflakes5015 Dude... that would have been so much cooler.
No that's not the case it was because fans kept asking him to be revived which he did and then chose to kill him for good this time
Didn’t he kill him because he was planning to anyway, but decided it was too early?
"and in western, the worst example is supernatural!"
Comics: am I a joke to you?
Death of Superman comes to mind.
"No one stays dead in comic except Bucky and Uncle Ben."
@@PatLund The Waynes & Gwen Stacy are also on that list too
@@PatLund You must be behind the times
Captain MarVel. Not Carol, not Shazam, he was written out of existence to make it so that Carol has always Captain Marvel.
Fairy Tail's *liberal* use of this is why I dropped the series.
Makarov should've died atleast 4 times but nah keep the OLD MAN ALIVE 🙄
yeah THATS why you dropped the series...
Is it as bad as DBZ?
I just dropped it cause I legit forgot what the plot was about after the 2014 season ended. So I never really got to final season.
@@sladejosephwilson2300 i mean yes and no DBZ used the trope way more often but they had a somewhat believable excuse for it(still garbage though)
My rule on resurrection is people get one, any more and that’s pushing it. But if there is a ghost or a clone or a computer with the characters memory and personality than that doesn’t count as being brought back. Anything past the first resurrection they better have a DAMM good reason to be brought back, like the story better explain that and it better lead to something amazing happening.
literally kengan omega had a clone of this dude named "edward wu" named "gilbert wu" who not only is a clone of him, he has almost the exact same design except younger (even down to the hairstyle), and has this process where all of the dude's memories and personality were infused into him, essentially just making him a younger version of the dude he's cloned from.
Its the most bonkers way I've seen a character been revived without actually reviving them.
Yeah, Dragon Ball kinda wrote itself into the corner when they decided death was basically the time out zone. At least, when it comes to making deaths meaningful. At best you remove a fighter from the game for a bit. In order to add any stakes at all they had to put the fate of the entire universe in the balance. Lack of Foresight seems pretty obvious.
I honestly feel that Goku should've stayed dead after the Cell saga. Gohan became his successor in a valid way and had his own story going on.
The problem is, Toriyama intentionally wrote himself into that corner. Originally, Shenron only had the power to revive a person once, and for some reason decided to get rid of that rule once Dendei took over
@@TheTrueDiablix also Porunga had the power to multi-rezz, which made things even more stupid...
@@TheTrueDiablix He still has that limitation, it's just that they can wish themselves back using the Namekian Dragonballs which don't have that limit
The thing that makes Dragon Ball work imho is that the tension isnt about whether a character dies it’s about whether a character will stay dead. I think DB has become pretty self aware that death really doesnt mean much and doesnt try to make it so, but moreso tries to make the tension about the race for the Dragon Balls
Take the transition from the Saiyan Saga to the Namek Saga. We’ve already see Goku and Krillin get brought back to life and by now we know death can easily be reversed. The deaths the Z fighters are given against Nappa are emotional character moments (and Yamcha’s wasnt even emotional it was just “oh shit he died”) but it’s not simply because the character died, but it’s what they died for (especially Piccolo). The whole plot of the Namek Saga is “well our friends were dead and we need to get them back *again*.” The whole tension in that arc is whether Vegeta, Frieza, or the Z fighters will get their wish in a thrilling struggle of wits with brutal consequences if you fail. Dragon Ball’s execution with this concept has gotten pretty sus after the Cell Saga but just in my opinion, Dragon Ball hasnt given two shits about characters dying for a long time, which is why they literally killed Goku twice
One of my favorite works of fiction is still Harry Potter, and one of the aspects of Harry Potter i love is how the author makes it a point to say “there is NOTHING that can bring back the dead.” That line is said multiple times to confirm that death is final, thus making the tension “Will the character die?” In Dragon Ball there are multiple instances of the characters going “fuck it we can revive all of them anyways so long as we win.”
Naruto? Yeah fuck the Edo Tensei. That mid series is a clusterfuck of tone shifts
Please play Danganronpa, the anime is just plain bad. Also, I agree, great video.
Maybe someday--the anime really discouraged me from wanting to play the game, but if it really is THAT much better, then maybe someday.
On a scale from 1-10, how accurate to the game is the anime in your opinion?
Maybe like a 5, it's not really all that incaccurate, but it's super rushed to the point of losing its tension which is, you know, the point of a mistery anything. Both games are on Steam too.
Typically, spin-offs based on a VN are often inferior to the source material. This is mostly because VNs can take their time to tell a story, using lots of text and relatively few pictures. Movie < Anime < Manga = VN, in terms of how expansive a story can be. Mind, VNs typically have a slice-of-life pacing - that makes them feel much slower than the other mediums.
Stein's Gate, Higurashi, Fate/Stay Night were all based on visual novels.
Red Bard I might be six months late but if you're reading this I think you should at least consider playing the first game, and if you choose to continue to the second game I'd have to say it's just so much better in pretty much every way: the characters, the quality, the story, the trials, the executions, and the overall complexity of the murders and the plot just make it so worth playing
The anime is notoriously inferior to the games and even most of the fanbase despises it. Even the voice acting in the games is much much better quality.
I predicted that Sabo wasn't actually dead right away, it was pretty heavily foreshadowed with how his death was depicted.
I feel like the naruto argument is a bit wonky. Yes a lot of characters are 'revived,' but I can't really think of a permanent resurrection from it. What does come to mind is having team 10 be forced into a fight with a revived Edo Asuma. I feel like having Shikamaru, a character who couldn't manage to save his sensei and the first person who believed in him and helped him develop into the chunin he is now hasto kill that man who helped him. And then there's also Chouji's struggle to hurt one of the few people who didn't look down on him cause of his weight. Other fights added to the lore of the series and brought out characters that would fight for Madara's side, seeing as few of the living ninja would have sided with him. Orochimaru has now come to mind as the only exception of a permanent revival, but I could be forgetting some.
And you very much know what you're getting into with dbz and it's resurrections. It spells it out for you as soon as you know they can revive people and I don't feel like the quality is tainted by it. Vegeta's death still had serious emotional weight for me even though I knew he'd be back.
I'd also like to bring up shaman king which played with the resurrection idea a bit. It became a training method which I thought was interesting and it basically highlights what death is for some anime characters but it says it outright.
But whatever I'm probably just shounen trash
Prince of Panair even in permanent resurrection like gaara, someone still has to die in order to revive them, like it involves some sort of equivalent exchange. But despite some good things like some of fights, a lot of these issues stem from the war arc and the finale which are a little messy
After the Pain arc, resurrections started to be used more and more. Sure, Pain died using his resurrection jutsu, but he also revived every single person he had killed in Konoha, and he killed loads of people. Also, Orochimaru's resurrection just made things worse.
Your argument lost its worth after you brought Shaman King. A shitty story where we are supposed to be sad and sympathetic toward hypocrite genocidal edgy bastard. So bad I dropped the series after Chocolove went blind.
Why would you feel anything for the deaths in dragon ball? Literally every character will come back.
Agreed with last statement
I think it's interesting that you used One Piece and Sabo as a background example while you were explaining the idea, because right after seeing the Sabo flashbacks in One Piece I was already fully under the impression that he survived and Luffy and Ace only believed him to be dead. I immediately got the implication from the little scene where someone on Dragon's ship tells him about finding a surviving child, "that's got to have been Sabo, right?" In fact I was so sure he was alive that when the trailers for Jump Force showed a living, adult Sabo well before I had gotten to his reappearance in my watching of the series, I barely felt it counted as spoilers
This girl just called out my otome-game, isekai loving ass. And yes, I say otome games because I bet a large portion of reverse harem animes are otome adaptions lmao
I agree wholeheartedly. I can't even begin to count how many anime and Japanese video games (usually the ones that have an anime art style) have used this trope and failed miserably, and as you said, even certain things in western media.
Hell, I love Supernatural, but it got really predictable really fast that whenever Sam and/or Dean died, there would ALWAYS be a way back out. I remember one of the more recent seasons, there was this whole thing about how if they died, they couldn't be brought back this time, and I just sat there and thought "Yeah, sure there isn't, I TOTALLY believe that" because there is literally no reason to think that's even remotely true when every other time they've died or been in a situation that may as well be considered a form of death, they've always been brought back just in time to start a new season.
Or Fire Emblem Awakening, a game that I've had mixed feelings on since I finished playing it. There's a lot of things I might be willing to overlook under the right circumstances, the tropey characters, the dating sim aspects, the marriage option being nothing more than actual waifubait. Okay, maybe not that last one, but the first two I can forgive under the right circumstances. But if there's one thing I cannot overlook, something that would kind of ruin the entire ending for me, even if all that other crap wasn't weighing the game down, it's how Robin sacrifices himself to finish off Grima, everyone acts all sad and depressed, and then only a few minutes later, oh shit, Robin's alive, and he's here lying in the middle of a field like before! That's called "bookending", dear player! Aren't we so clever for doing that? It doesn't matter that Robin's sacrifice was actually meaningless, pointless, and hastily thrown in at the last second so we could check one more trope off the list of hundreds that we've already thrown in, we were able to end this story similar to how it began, so clearly our ability as writers is up there with the greatest literary minds!
It pisses me off to no end, and I don't get why writers feel the need to do this knowing that they're just going to bring the character back later for an incredibly stupid and probably pointless reason. I guess it's to boost ratings or something, but it just seems like a cheap way to boost ratings, it usually seems too convenient to bring a character back, and most of all, it's way too cynical towards their audience that it's kind of amazing how little backlash there is for these kind of decisions. I can remember a time when a death in a story was supposed to be a big deal, when it wasn't something you just threw in to recapture people's attention when the story was starting to get stale, when the concept of death actually had some weight to it and the loss of a character was supposed to actually feel like it affected the others, not just a situation where everyone needs to act sad because the plot calls for it. But now the trope has been so overused that viewers have kind of become desensitized to it, and now it's the natural reaction to think "Oh, they'll be back in an episode or two, maybe next season if they really want to drag it out."
As a Dragon Ball fan, imagining how DBZ would go without Dragon Balls is pretty dark. It'd be over after Vegeta and Nappa pull up to Earth
You kinda need the dragon balls for the story to happen
I personally think that the resurrection trope is fine, as long as these requirements are met.
-When someone gets resurrected, it must have a price. (Which is why I like the shadow dragon concept from DBGT)
-The resurrected character must be important to the plot, not just some side character that people felt bad for.
-Or that it’s a comedy fantasy anime and death should not be taken too seriously (Like Konosuba)
One thing I'd personally add to this list: It needs to have a pre-established reason and/or methology as to why/how it is possible to bring the character back. In the case of Dragon Ball, it's the name sake of the show, collect the 7 balls, summon the dragon Shenron and he will grant you any wish, after which the balls become dormant for a year.
@@hellboy19991 Good point. It would be ridiculous if they didn’t establish something that could potentially revive the dead beforehand.
You forgot to mention all of Marvel and DC doing this decades :P
At least Jojo only had three characters (in the anime) that "resurrect". Which would be Avdol, DIO, and Bruno. And they still permanently die sometime in their parts anyway.
And DBZ and resurrection is one of the many reason why it is one of the most normie anime's ever made.
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You can’t call Avdols fake as one
Okuyasu and Joseph
Can agree but the fact you unironically use the word normie made me want to take my opinion back
But in defence of the sabo case in one piece, is a actually kind of hinted at sabo being found by Dragon. At least I was about 80% certain, that was what happened until it was confirmed.
1. The clueless mc, asta for example or any mc in any harem
2. The tsundere who clearly has a crush on mc but constantly beat him up for minor reasons. For example sakura haruno or noelle from black clover
I like some tusendres. I really like Helga Patacki on Hey Arnold
icecream hero I hear rin from fate is the best
@@jeffreyali3644 Sam Puckett from icarly
@@jeffreyali3644 Anabeth Chase from Percy Jackson in the early books.
The first FMA is amazing and I will fight anyone that says otherwise
to be fair
Gundam SEED was written by a hack.
Cuz it's not like Sailor moon is literally about rebirth and reincarnation.
Is nobody gonna talk about Okuyasu? He _literally_ just came back to life because he felt like it
DR SPOILERS :
Them : mention Danganronpa
DR V2 : sweats in junko is revived as the mastermind yet again and everyone is actually alive since it’s all just a simulation
Dude the live action Death Note anime are my weakness I love them so much
I agree, the series sort of loses some credibility in my eyes if a character comes back to life with no real explanation or sacrifice made. It ruins the moment in which they died, and it makes it hard to fully believe another character the series kills off is dead for real. The only exception I personally can make to this is Houseki no Kuni (Land of the Lustrous), but even then it’s not the same. The gems are immortal and don’t die, they just shatter and can be repaired if their shards are collected. But it still impacts you when they do get damaged because with every shatter they run the risk of never getting those fractals back.
Konosuba does resurrections pretty well.
Yes! there are rules, you need a skull at the minimum, and it's a high level spell.
Last time I checked, that’s an anime law, not a trope
It's OK to bring dead character back but do it the right way. I kind of like Naruto style of bringing the dead back. I love how it's still feel fresh for their second death. But Dragon Ball? Yeah, the series should let something go.
But, there’s only one resurrection in SEED, and it’s with Mu not Kira. Kira is called Jesus Yamato because he’s always right not because he came back from the dead.
He never died, they only made it look like he died, which is a common trope everywhere not just anime. It’s why everyone always knows if you didn’t see them die, they aren’t dead. Even then, there are only 2 arguable “resurrections” throughout the entire series. Hardly the worst offender.
love your name comrade, Yeah, no one is dead unless they have their brain, soul or whatever destroyed based on shows tech/magic level. IRL that's even becoming more true, with levidicas syndrome being a real thing that just happens and no one knows why, some folks just revive themselves about 10 minutes after deaths that stop the heart.
I don’t see resurrection as an issue, as long as criteria is established and implementation is consistent within universe.
This is why I love Jojo part 5 cause everyone who dies actually dies.
Spoiler:
Bruno wasn’t a asspull just because he accepted that he was gonna die. No matter what he was gonna die
I don’t know why so many people are driven with the impression that Avdol had a “resurrection”
SC did in fact keep true beforehand
Definitely a Full Metal Alchemist fan girl. First series was garbage? They all are!
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You said Ressurection happens more in anime?
Have you read or watched any DC or Marvel bullshit. Not even talking about rebooting the timeline that brings back dead characters. I am talking about ass pull That brings people back to life. Jason Todd,Superman,Iron Man,Spiderman etc
i was absolutely filled with joy when i saw sabo re appearence to be honest.
now about Pell....
Hold up, someone died in Sailor Moon!?
The best justification for a resurrection I saw in anime was in Konosuba. Kazuma gets to live because Eris stuffed her bra. Poetry.
I will just leave this here since it is very current as of now.
Penny from RWBY brought back in the recent volume.
I felt like I was stabbed and my blood gushed from my heart. It was a very bullshit move.
I'm writing a book where resurrection is one of the main plot goals. The love interest of one of the main characters dies around the end of the first act and it sets them off on a quest to resurrect them. There are several issues with this though. First, resurrecting someone is a bitch to do and you have to pay a hefty price for it, alchemy style. Second, not many people can do it and the only people that can are basically celebrities that have better things to do. Third, the person resurrecting them has to pay a price to do it and good luck finding someone willing to resurrect someone they don't even care about when they have to pay for it. Fourth, the love interest was kind of an abusive asshole piece of shit and also a competing celebrity so the odds of someone wanting to bring her back are even worse. When they do bring her back, she's lost her magic powers which were tied to her fame because she's been gone for so long and people moved on, and it turns out those powers were emotional manipulation so they weren't even legitimately in love with her, which they had sort of figured might be the case having had all this time to think about it but they only really accept it now. So the main character that's done all this shit to bring her back finally fully comes to terms with the fact that she doesn't even deserve it and regrets doing it at all, especially because of all the fucked up shit they had to do to bring her back in the first place. She wasn't even worth it! And how do you come to terms with that?? Giving so much of your life to this person, in a sense *literally*, and they're just an abusive asshole who makes your life worse! There's nothing you can do to get back what you invested. All you can do is move on and try to heal. Shit sucks, but that's life.
If this were the only payoff to the single major story the entire book has been building to it might be a huge turnoff but there are multiple stories going simultaneously among a few sets of characters and this is just one of them. It's the one I've put the most work into so far though. If resurrection is going to happen in your story it's gotta be a big deal and it's gotta be a bitch to pull off if you want there to be proper stakes.
You know... I never actually thought hard about the resurrection trope. Actually, despite it being so common, I never thought of it as a trope, just a normal part of anime. But... I resonate so strongly with everything said in this video and now I'm like... 'yeah... that is kinda bullshit and I really hate it.'
A concept: learning to resurrect the dead is a part of a character's arc, nobody else can do it, and they can only do it under very specific and restrictive circumstances. For example, the dead person's body has to be mostly intact, and they can only be resurrected within a specific amount of time after dying, let's say 2 hours. With all of this pre-established the emotional impact of death isn't destroyed, instead it's changed completely. There can be tension involved in needing to get to the dead person in time, there can be dramatic irony in which nobody can reach our resurrector and they're blissfully unaware that someone is dying, there's the fact that they can't be in multiple places at once, and most importantly, the feelings of guilt our ressurector feels when they can't save someone as well as the feelings of resentment toward our ressurector when another character's loved ones can't be saved on top of the emotional impact of a permanent death
I had a similar idea as well where it has a time limit but an added consequence in that it follows the Equivalent Exchange rule in which the caster or someone else nearby has to give up their own life to bring back the other. In other words, to bring back a life, another's life must be forfeit. However the resurrection can only happen once for the intended target so they get a second chance at life, but if they die again then they cannot be resurrected again.
If they die once, there is an opportunity to bring them back in exchange for someone else's life.
If they die a second time, there is no second chances, you are gone for good.
With the exception of Time Travel of course since your going back before they die, but I had a different concept for the consequence of Time Travel.
DC comics had an event during darkest night where like 90% of the heroes get possessed by the death entity... because they all died in the past. At least they did something with it.
Most hated trope is the female characters who are just there to be eye-candy or a love interest. They have no strengths, no likeability, boring as cardboard, naïve and clumsy. They don't actually stand out to do anything and there's no actual reason why the main/other characters like them apart from convenience.
I don't hate this trope. The more fictional an anime, the better. People have forgotten that anime and cartoons are just that, and are expecting them to be 100% realistic or logical. The whole idea of fictional media is that you are able to do anything that you can't do in reality, as long as it's entertaining and consistent. It doesn't have to make complete sense or be completely logical in the grand scheme, hence super powers, transformations, and anthropomorphism. That includes resurrection and even "plot armor".
Now how Resurrection is portrayed and who they resurrect is a different story.
supersonicmario56 thank you, I really cannot stand it when the fandom complains about something that isn’t realistic because it’s fictional and NOT REAL LIFE!!!!
@@TheJaredPunch that still doesnt excuse crappy writing. Especially if an anime or cartoon series takes place in the real world.
Tony Nola I get that but still
@@xblade149 Of course there's no excuse for crappy writing. There are other reasons a story is bad besides the fact that the writers decided to bring a character back to life. It just seems like people think that for a story to be good, a character has to die, or when the main character, the MAIN character survives something due to a realistically logical reason, or logical due to the rules set up by the story, a lot of people complain about it being "plot armor". It's the MC, people!!!! The driving force of the story. They're not going to die, and if they do, it won't be so soon into the story, unless they weren't the MC to begin with.
It's one of the reasons why I don't like that anime, Kill la Kill. People seem to like it for the very fact that characters die, and that's it.
EDIT: I meant Agame ga Kill.
@@supersonicmario56 what? People didn't die in kill la kill except for the main villain, the main villain sidekick nui, and senkusu. Im confused by your comment , have you even watched kill la kill?
HEy. The first FMA anime isn't garbage. As long as you stop at the last episode and DON'T WATCH THAT MOVIE.
At least it had better pacing than Brotherhood.
wait what? danganronpa? I dont think ive ever seen a character come back once in that series. if you're talking about the twist in the first game, thats very well explained, since its not actually the character.
Yu Yu Hakusho where it was very emotional when Master Genkai was murdered and then she gets brought back to life.....For whatever reason.
I’m fine with getting people back to life trope, As long as 1. The series is centred around it like dragon ball or 2. They do at least one thing for the plot.
I was informed yesterday day that the coach Howard proposition can also be called coach Kamoshida proposition and the bad touch sensei proposition as well
Remember kids if the girls want the pedophiles then why cyber bully the boys
And also gotta catch them all
To be fair in Seed's case..... they did explain Kira's close call in the manga AND the Astray manga. Seed Destiny however, I'll give you that one. He should have died, but that's what happens when you have a fangirl running the development of a Gundam anime (There was a writers strike at the time and apparently the consensus seems to be that the job was pushed to the wife of the man who was overseeing Seed Destiny and because she was a major Kira fangirl she pushed heavily for him)
i am kinda sick of the "chosen one" concept tbh
Now I just keep thinking about Kenny from South Park.
I still get choked up though in Sailor Moon Stars with Rei just from the desperate nature, when she clutches that orb only to have it slip away
Dragon Ball Super killing Piccolo again trying to emulate his death against Nappa gave me diarrhea. Back then it had impact, the Dragon Balls were gone because of it, and thus they had to go fuck off into space for an alternative. Now though? He gets resurrected offscreen, and we knew he would.
lmao what a stupid move.
Full metal alchemist is the good shit 👌
Remember kids, Gurren Lagann says "You Only Kiss Once"
RIP. 3 years later and the plot of half of the anime in winter 2019 is being resurrected in a different world.
I bet she would love god-tiering in Homestuck. (Or the amount of deaths in general)
Oh and let's NOT forget about retconning Vriska back to life. That was some serious bullshit nobody needed.
Insert stupid username here that was some bullshit wasn't it?
+Laura Ortega game over timeline- good characters, everything has an actual reason
New timeline- Character arcs? What character arcs? Vriska is being a bitch and nothing makes sense at all.
The only good things we got out of the new one were the bit of development for Dirk and Dave on the rooftop.
God tiering makes sense though, doesn't come out of no where, and has rules that limit its use.
Yeah, but my bigger problem here is that Vriska, for example had a good reason to die. She ruined Aradia's life and kinda killed a bunch of Lowbloods. I know she did it for her Lusus but come ON, that thing probably could have eaten something else than just trolls. Anyway, she got beat up and was dying, but suddenly BAM! VRISKA IS BACK BITCHES! She just proceeds to be there and acting like nothing happened. Don't misunderstand me, I *loved* her character arc and how she was more of an actual person towards the end of Act 5, but you can't just bring people back to live that should have been dying! It was even stated somewhere (I can't exactly remember when and where), _Vriska cheated to get to god tier_ , and cheating death is literally another one of those things that happens to those kind of protagonists that die every season and then get resurrected.
I hate how most moms of high school girls are basically the same girl except that they're several inches taller, and wear lipstick and a pantsuit.
True tho
it's the same as in JRPGs when the basic enemy lvl 50 is just a recolor as the basic enemy lvl 1. In Japan, girl lvl 50 = girl lvl 1 + Hillary Clinton mod
@Red Bard
Do you dislike Dragonball?
@The original Dragonball?
Id like but I can't, 420
>"I think it happens more often in anime"
Superhero comic books:
"LET US INTRODUCE OURSELVES“
Peter Parker has died so many times that even marvel lost count
@@asthenia7445 yeah lmao didnt three versions of him die in one year once
asthenia In the main canon, it’s only happened to him maybe 5 times tops. Jean Grey on the other hand.
This! This is exactly why I hate Jean Grey with a fiery passion! Just let the woman die!
I think they made a joke about it in the comics proper, with one of Jean Grey's gravestones clearly saying "brb"
Don't read superhero comics.
I guess the only question to ask is
Which is worse?
@@slothbaby2104 let's just say in superhero comics it just sort of happens on a daily basis in comparison to anime
@@bowserfriend And regardless of where it happens more often, it feels like it's only superhero comics that try to sell me an issue on the notion of a character that I KNOW is going to come back eventually dying for some contrived reason. Which makes it a million times more obnoxious and insulting.
Thumbs down. Just read the good ones.
Oh, whoops. Didn't mean to rip off your comment.
I like how Jojos part 3 does it
"We didn't tell you he was alive, Polnareff, because you're an idiot and would have blown his cover"
What cover was there to be blown though? Up to that point the stardust crusaders had been killing everybody they fought who they didn't befriend.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 if they told him Avdol was in hospital, he could've run his mouth and one of dio's spies may have heard. He wouldn't be able to defend himself in that state.
@@highprinceryoma4410 what spies does dio have/dio has spies?
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 They didn't kill, just incapacitated them.
@@dragonf5325 I disagree with that both dark blue moon and FOREVER were "knocked out" in the water, which means they totally drowned to death.
Death Note illustrates a different (yet similar) problem that you sometimes see in other anime/games. When a character dies, rather than being revived, they hastily introduce a new character that was just like the old character and takes their place.
Never thought about it that way, but you're absolutely right. It does.
I'll still take that over a pointless resurrection, though.
Red Bard ok I just wanna the Edo tensei was explained thoroughly it's mechanics and how it worked we got alot of character arcs finished because of it so it wasn't bs especially with sasuke
Red Bard In a way it's worse.
別兄さん at least they never used the eraser
@red.its the opposite for me. n&m sucked. i stopped caring until the final five minutes of death note after L died.
if L had walked back in and said he had faked his death(or somehow revived) that would have been better.
“you pervert”
scene transition
girl smacks main character noise
scene transition
character swollen up
that really needs to die. it stopped being funny 20 years ago, burned through the “not funny, but always a classic” phase 10 years ago and turned into instant-drop-this-anime 5 years ago.
just...stop.
That moment when a tsundere sneaks into your house (that's home invasion) and randomly takes a bath in *YOUR BATHROOM* and *BEATS YOU UP* for going into the bathroom while she is bathes.
Could never finish the first episode of Toradora because of that (I even tried twice)
@@sofiipote7 well Toradora did came out 12 years ago so the jokes were mostly appropriate for its time. Wait 12 years old oh fuck I'm old.
@@kai-jf2vd I tried to watch it 12 years ago and thought it was annoying as fuck, so no, in my opinion it was never appropriate. I see what you mean, though, that was a long time ago. I'm old too. Let's cry together
@@sofiipote7 Couldn't agree more. Tsundere characters are the absolute worst. They can make good animes average or just ruin entire animes.
At least the "resurrecions" in jojo are funny, for example Joseph going to his own funeral, not like other series that want you to take them seriously.
Also, Araki said he hates bringing characters back to life, and only does so if it's necessary.
And the anime only audience would really think he might be dead, considering Jonathan, the main character just died, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think Joseph would die as well. Other ressurections also have their fair reasons, like blowing cover (avdol), maybe hamon blood (part 3 Joseph) , and not actually being ressurected fully and is slowly dying (bruno)
How about someone taking a piss and a dead character they had killed comes back through the piss to kill the guy taking the piss, then he goes on with his life trying to be relevent to the plot and his resurrection doesn't come up again.
Keith Jones wut
Keith Jones who?
@@aaronnguyen4506 It was joke about anime characters coming back for bullshit reasons that never get explained
I love how you mention stardust crusaders a bunch meanwhile in battle tendency Joseph survives falling from a volcano and only was revealed to be alive at his funeral.
i mean tbf, joesph was """dead""" for like 2 minutes from the viewer's perspective
Also, it was genuinely surprising. You may think "Well, of course he's going to survive, he's the main character", but Part 1 literally had the main character die. It set you up to think Joseph was going to die, only to bait and switch you.
Never found the Body to begin with, so...
@@VGamingJunkieVT I was like "welp... the joestar bloodline truely seems doomed..."
@@TheFel0x Unless he impregnated Suzi Q before fighting the Pillar Men.
Red: "The worst offender is Supernatural"
DC & Marvel Comics: *Sweat nervously*
Supernatural arguably has both Marvel and DC beat on sheer frequency of resurrection. According to the wiki I looked at, Sam, Dean, and Castiel have been resurrected at least five times *each* over a 14 year run. That doesn't count "they never really died" fake outs; these are full-on dead and resurrected events.
Marvel and DC: "Imma pretend I didn't see that"
This comment aged beautifully XDDDDD
dc really likes giving emotional and character rich deaths, only to then go "Nah, lets revive em."
I mean the trope of the guy walking in on a girl changing works for Ouran because the character and people who weren't spoiled need to know that the main character is in fact a girl who can be mistaken for a guy. It actually contributes to the plot rather than have it as a common gag scene where the girl gets embarrassed and then beats the shit out of the guy.
I agree. It also adds to the cluelessness of tamaki's character bc everyone else found out earlier lol
Exactly.
Yeah I too disliked that she used Ouran as the example of that trope. Its an exception.
@Excelsior Ouran is a standout simply because the protagonist is not a boring flat personality you are meant to insert yourself into. She actively challenges the tropes she is presented with. Ouran manages to be both a great reverse harem anime AND a critique on reverse harem anime. It manages to be hilarious but also genuinely dramatic. Its only failing is that it ended and did not continue following the manga.
@Excelsior definitely read the manga. The anime is cute but it can get tropey, cumbersome, and annoying. The manga is where the real meat if the story is at.
The worst example is Kirito dying in Sword Art Online, who after getting a screen saying "you are dead," and his character stops moving, he WILLS HIMSELF BACK TO LIFE with little to no proper explaination.
"I have the power of god and anime on my side" - Kirito Kirito
You dare to question our Lord and Savior, Jesus-Kun? You must be a bad guy who probably wants to grope women.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
Maybe the little girl. But quite honestly, alot of things in that show make no sense.
When Kirito lunged in to attack, you can see the main antagonist smile before getting hit. which means he planned for Kirito to do it.
The only time i was fine with a character returning from death is joseph jostar
Mofo came to his own funeral.
The only time where I saw true resurrection was during the Trish escort in Venezia from part 5 with Bruno.
Also when Joseph got drained
SagePanic For bruno, he wasn’t completely alive. In jojo, souls can stick around after deathbed(for example, Reimi i think)if they have enough resolve. Giorno basically repaired the body, and so Bruno was able to pilot a decaying corpse
@@shinooo8291 yeah but he still came back
I just hate how modern anime characters are basically rehashed stereotypes that don't behave or talk naturally. Hayao Miyazaki actually spoke about how a lot of anime writers today are a bit out of touch from reality and don't socialize and observe/study from life much. This inevitably leads to characters with unbelievable personalities. I mean, it's fine to have them be a little quirky and unrealistic. It is, of course, anime. But when you compare older characters with new ones, there's a very clear difference to how they behave. What were once just occasional over the top anime reactions has now become the ONLY sort of reaction to every little thing, and everyone just talks and behaves so melodramatically.
You should probably watch Bennethesage. He reviews lots of horrible old anime. This isn't really a "modern" problem, once you remove the nostalgia goggles. Ever seen Mad Bull 34? The anime about rape and a cop who attaches grenades to his ballsack? Nowadays, we don't even get many anime like that anymore. Miyazaki is an old hipster, btw.
@Dan Nguyen No.
Don't exaggerate.
@Dan Nguyen No.
@Dan Nguyen No, I'm not.
"Imagine being dead but ressurected to die again and again"
-Diavolo
So Kenny from south park
Imagine your superpower is to keep dying to get a random superpower if you want to defeat someone...
LMAO, F for Diavolo he's most likely having another death right now as we speak
@@r0sie_peach diavolo dies trying to deflect the emerald splash
@@r0sie_peach Diavolo dies by the covid
"In Fullmetal Alchemist nobody dies!"
Greed: about that...
Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't Greed 2.0 a different character? He had none of the memories of the original Greed, and only had the same personality because both versions were created from the same source.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Greed 2.0 was indeed a different character, but he did regain some memories from his previous life later down the line, but like you said, that's because he came from the same source, not because he was the same person.
Greed died twice.
@@krimsonkatt if it was his previous life wouldn't that mean he's the same person just reborn?
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Greed 2.0 was actually Ling (I think that is his name) who was given the powers of Greed
What about the fact that many anime protagonists seem to lack a father for some reason? Like, I understand work hours in japan are super long so many households won't see their fathers a whole lot until very late in the day but come on, they seem almost nonexistent for some reason. I dunno, just something that's always bugged me.
WHO IS ASH KETCHUM'S FATHER?????
MoonCresent He's actually a dead beat.
It's Giovanni
Oh my god thats so true. Natsu had Igneel who taught him fire dragon magic then HE ABANDONED HIM ( I dunno if he comes back or not I'm only on episode 142 or something like that I don't remember lol). Then there is Lucy. Lucy had a terrible father that was always focused on work and when Lucy finally visits him after being missing for 7 years he's dead. RIP Lucy's dad. Then there is Gray. Gray had parents but they were killed by a demon named Deliora. So then, a woman named Ur took him and Leon in and taught them ice make magic and then she got killed protecting Gray and Leon from the same demon that killed Grays parents, Deliora. Erza just never has parents I don't think lol
MoonCresent ashs father abandoned his family before ash was born it was stated in the light novel.
I don't think Junko's impostor dying counts as a resurrection.
Danganronpa's anime series are bad, the games are better.
Yea, I haven't played the games sadly--to my understanding, the games give a much more reasonable explanation about Junko's situation, but as far as the anime goes, it leaves much to be desired.
@@RedBardIsCool It's simple in Danganrompa 1 her twin sister took her place and was killed early to throw everyone off and not to suspect her.
Red Bard if you haven’t played the games yet I seriously recommend them even if the deaths get spoiled
Sabo is a bad example, everyone knew he was alive. His only relevance in the story is if he remained alive. Far different from resurrecting someone like idk Ace.
She was more so talking emotional impact rather then plot relevance.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Sabo's death didn't really carry any emotional weight to the audience though, having him still be alive is a more emotional reveal then his death ever was
@@devyboo2 then just show he survived the explosion in the flashback rather wasting time pretending that he's dead when almost everyone knew he wasn't.
@@fightingmedialounge519 In the arc in which he died, he may just as well have been a filler characters and we weren't really emotionally attached to him when he died.
That arc was rather made to briefly introduce him.He just earned his emotional gravity when we found out that he still exists.
If you are gonna complain about Resurrection in One Piece Pell would have been a much better choice of character to use.
@@devyboo2 I also think that there are much better characters she could have used, but the point still stands. If oda wanted us to believe sabo was dead then we run into the problem of the author faking a death just to get a reaction; if oda wanted us to believe he was still alive then keeping his survival ambiguous was pointless. Even if you we use the introduction excuse then there were better ways to do it.
MUHAMAD AVADURU!
YES! I AM!
HELL 2 YOU
Tsk tsk tsk
hElL 2 YoU
"the bullet just grazed me"
Then dies 15 episodes later
If you dislike characters being brought back from the dead in most anime, then odds are you'd probably hate most comics books
Squirtle Master he means western comics
So true
This is so true that it pushes me away from superhero comics.
@@Vigriff so far the only well known Western comic character who died and never came back is *Gwen Stacy* from The Amazing Spider-Man.
there are many multiverse versions of her but the real Gwen stay dead.
H.R. ahem uncle ben
Bad life choice:
Watching the Danganronpa anime before actually playing the games smh.
not my fault im poor >:/
@@viv9763 Lol I feel you! I just ended up watching a let's play
Don't watch the anime, watch a let's play. It's better to play the game yourself, but the anime is seriously terrible
@@squirtleislife1312 lol i ended up doing that
Watching a non-gamer friend play Danganronpa 2. They play roughly once a week and forget the controls every time. I've learned to accept fate.
I like Abdul because he was the first character to die first twice
He fits the black person stereotype very well
Avdol: Stands Dies Twice
Then Bruno is second
And the second time, it it actually sticks.
Technically he was the second one to die the second time, because the first one to die was him
(minor spoilers for Danganronpa games)
The Danganronpa anime adaptation is pure shit and it's a disgrace to the Danganronpa games but what are you talking about? The only instance of resurrecting a character that ever happpened was Alter Ego and it wasn't really that ridiculous, plus they were literally shown for two seconds.
also jesus christ a supernatural anime adaptation the world is ending
The people in the danganronpa canon has it worse, I mean, like, Junko Enoshima the *_53_*rd
@@zapbolt8 But that's not actually Junko, real Junko is dead, when she dies in 1, she dies for real. Which admittedly is KINDA lazy, but doesn't count as resurrection.
Well the dr2 cast was in a coma so not technically dead
Pretty sure shes talking about Danganronpa 2
And this is why i watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Wait, VAMPIRES.
Although I don't remember a case where a vampire brought someone back from the dead. JJBA vampires were way more into killing than healing.
@@spooky6703 *cough cough* Phantom Blood vampire-zombies *cough cough*
@@elbruh3778 Ok fair enough on that one. But that always felt like a direct move from alive to undead, not bringing a dead person to life.
@@spooky6703 Yes indeed. Same with Vanilla Ice too.
@@elbruh3778 I should just rewatch the second and third arcs I guess!
My most hated trope is the lovable perv. It’s really not funny seeing characters being excused for their harassment. Or even worse justifying their harassment because at the end of the day the girl was into it (like in dragon pilot)
danielle helman Oh fuck off you feminist twat
How about the lovable pervert who always gets punished for it and is clearly just there for comedy relief? Granted, that trope is probably getting old by now.
It says a lot about someone to whine about feminism when it's pointed out that a perpetrator of repeated sexual harassment is gross af
It's really sad if you think basic human decency and understanding of consent is a radical feminist concept.
Grow the fuck up, mate.
I mean the trope isnt doing it right if you dont love them. I personally dont care if its not used that offten as a joke. Its just a bit oversaturated do to somes show completly overusing it quite a bit. (Bassically the same for most tropes though)
@@alexbenavidez4500 It's Tribalism, an us vs them mentality. They retreat into their extreme corners and declare anyone who doesn't absolutely follow their dogma to be working for the other extreme.
Good video! I hate the trope too, but can kinda excuse it in JJBA because resurrection is one of the least bizarre things that happens in the show and they have Stands that can make them look like they're dead even though they're not.
Avdol's revival was complete bullshit, but the other revivals in the series are actually good compared go other shows. They all make sense and don't cheapen the story
@@frezzyflame3844 You can tell it was jarring because Araki was actually going to kill him off and then panicked. Some would also consider Joseph surviving in Part 3 to be BS, if only because they actually show his soul leaving his body. If you ignore that part, then it makes sense that his brain hadn't become deprived of oxygen long enough to sustain damage, since most of the fight was in stopped time.
@@frezzyflame3844 *SPOILERS FOR PART 5*
In the midgame of part 5 it is implied that Bruno isn't the same as he used to be. During his fight with the boss, he was shown being killed. However, Giorno heals him at last minute, and when it looks like he bit the dust, he wakes up. By the end of the episode Giorno comments on him being different from before, which implies that he was already dead. Then several fights later we see him slowly decaying as if he was a zombie.
Frezzyflame
Avdol surviving was bs, but at least there was a good reason for his disappearance instead of telling Polnareff instantly.
Joseph in the DIO fight was, in my opinion, WAY worse than Avdol.
Just remember
"People die when they're killed"
*laughs in Kenny McCormick*
When they cry characters: haha...nice joke
When they characters who know their own story: damn bro...that's reality
Laughs in dragon ball
Kamina from Gurren Lagann is also a good example, of not using the trope i mean, his death is felt through out the series.
getterkaiser5 That shit came out of no where at the time lol
Sprite Pine Because they didn't want to destroy the universe and/or restart a trend the Spiral King had kept up for a thousand years?
@@MixMasterLar What?
@@scottchaison1001 no where
That's where it came from
The shit.
@@MixMasterLar Why?
Jojo really flexin on this whole video.
Danganronpa did it once, and its reasoning is fairly solid.
the real junko never even died
@@acid4010 She did. The Junko of 2 is an AI akin to Alter Ego. It's not her it's a program made to be like her. A contingency plan really.
Danganronpa did it several times if you count fakeouts. (Which do seem to count for the trope in how she explains it)
A Person But the fakeouts have very solid reasoning s for being there (Except for asahina's fake death that's just dumb)
Kokichis fakeout death was funny, it threw people off guard only because nobody expected there to be a fakeout like that.
Hifumi's fakeout was done to trick everyone to think he was dead before he was killed off for real. (I don't even think you can call this a fakeout death because most of us didn't know it was a fakeout until after he died)
I'm pretty certain those are the only two times this happened correct me if I'm wrong.
@@lordhighlordofthehalfgays2456 I was referring to the first game when mukuro died
When you mentioned western works bringing back characters, how the hell did you not mention comic books?! Western comic books have a worse problem with this than anime! There was even a robot chicken sketch that was entirely about making fun of this concept in comics! Remember when Superman died, and it even made the news, only for him to be brought back shortly after?
dimentiorules Oh boy, one could talk about cheap resurrections in comic books for ages!
you know what they say, no one stays dead in comics except uncle ben
@@toastwings9358 and batman's parents.
Nightcrawler teleported himself back to life
@@Kingdom850 Except for all the times all three of those characters temporarily came back to life.
For me it's really annoying when characters lose their powers that's integral to their identity, but through bullshit reason gets their powers back, or they were about to lose their powers but minor/unimportant characters sacrifice themselves so that the main characters doesn't have to. That undermines the sense of loss and sacrifice by the characters, and the sadness the fans felt.
Legend of Korra ;(
@@WolframiteWraith aw no that's bleach
You know what'd be better? If they lost their powers to a sacrifice but are able to get their powers back through hard and possibly life threatening means. Then at least there's weight behind it, like they'd rather risk straight up dying than not being useful anymore.
MetroidJunkie Or better yet they find some new powers to substitute their old one. My favourite combat novel does that.
Related: Disability being 'cured', especially if it was a disability the character started with. Because you're only whole if you don't have a disability, of.... course.....????
LEAVE AVDOL AND JOSEPH OUT OF THIS
To be fair Joseph was ressuicated which is a real thing that happens so thats all good, since he was only actually dead for ~3 or 4 minutes
@@Eclipseknight9 It's implied that Joseph never really died but was trying to pull a prank on his own Grandson. Alternatively, it could be argued that he pulled a huge prank in DIO by tricking him into thinking that Jotaro was actually dangerous.
Oi Josuke i forgot how to be dead AIGHT THAT WACKY?
Avdol didn’t even die to be fair
Yo ngl when Avdol came back the first time, I wasn't pissed at all even if I cried the first time, I was HAPPY AF THAT HE WAS ALIVE LIKE WOW BITCH I MISSED U, (same thing with Joseph in part 2 AND 3)
Sailor Moon is a show about resurrection and rebirth. You're basically complaining about core aspects of the story that make it interesting and unique.
And i thought that fmab is a series about Equivalent Exchange though its stated in the show that souls exist and you cant trade anything for a soul. Its also a show that clearly says through father thats its wrong to achieve the power of god or atleast with the "wrong" way.
I think this video provides more than enough evidence that that stuff is neither interesting nor unique.
@Z M Sure I did; you're just misinterpreting the video. It's pretty clear that she likes Sailor Moon in spite of it sometimes bringing dead characters back, not because of it.
Naruto actually doesn't bring people back to life that much. There is reanimation, but they are more like zombies, and they die again after a short time. Most dead characters stay dead
What sucked about the reanimation jutsu is that Kishimoto overused it in the war arc so as to reduce the impact of war for the main characters instead of bringing in new enemies who were actually alive and fighting for something which would lead to bloodshed on both sides and make Naruto and co reluctant to kill. And pain arc brought back all of konoha just because.
cuenta de mierda que utilizo para cosas but that was to advance the plot and it worked out bc it added to Nagatos character so much. Also, only he people he recently killed came back
Reverse Dipper Pines overused and honestly still underused at the same time
Also the pain arc. There bringing them back to life made sense
So they are brought back to life.
I disagree on the first FMA bring trash, but otherwise I'm with you on the rest of the video.
agreed
it had an odd.... ending but handled everything else really well (it made nina and huges hurt more imo)
Brotherhood was definitely better but the original wasn’t bad being any means whatsoever.
carbon273 but no one compared them so why was it needed to be stated?
I liked the first FMA alot when I watched it. And you kind of have to watch it so brotherhood's first half doesn't feel rushed. Hugh's was a better character in the og series because we got to actually spend time with him, in brotherhood he does to early