1 John 2:22 LSB [22] Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Don't deny Jesus His divinity, the Bible is very clear. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
As a new believer when I was young, I was so happy to know God's love for me, and yet very soon it dawned on me that Christ was God. I was fearful that I misunderstood what I was seeing in scripture. I then comfirmed this with others and was flabbergasted that such a truth was not taught as it should be.
I am sorry to tell you, it isn't true. You were taught the Trinity, not the scriptures. I hope you can see how this isn't true. Jesus is the Son of God. He is the second being referred to in Genesis 3:22. Jesus is called a Moring Star in Revelations 22:16, in the same order as Lucifer. He is a God that bears the Devine Name, or rather the name of the Father. John 1:1 that is often referenced as proof that Jesus is God, is translated wrong. This mistranslation is intentional to support a creedal belief in the Trinity. Look at the Greek. Theon is God, Theos means what God possesses, or Godlike. The correct translation that Bible Scholars mostly agree on is this "In the beginning was the Word. And the word was with God and the Word was Devine." That is a lot different than the Word was God... Completely different meanings. With this correct translation you see that the Word, Jesus Christ was not God but rather Like God and given Devine power. Of course he possesses godly attributes. He bears God's Name, the divine manifestation of God, acting in God's name to perform God's Work. Read the Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen in Matthew 21:33-46. Who is the son they killed? It's Jesus Christ. Who is the owner? It's God the Father. Different people. I am sorry, but Christianity doesn't believe the Bible. They believe the creeds and use the Bible to support their belief. They believe in he philosophis of men mingled with scripture. A bastersized version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, fit to mans preferences. No where does Jesus ever state that he is God. Jesus was from the beginning with God. He is the God of the Old Testament. The Great I Am is Jesus. "I Am" means the redeemer, Savior, liberator. John 17, Jesus explains from his own mouth his relationship with God. Jesus stands at the right hand of God in Stephen's Vision. Jesus is the chosen Son of God. Jesus is the only rightful heir of God. Jesus becomes our father so that through him we can become heirs of God. This idea that Jesus is another form of God is not monotheism, it is Transmorphism, no different than the Hindu Sheba. It's an abomination. Jesus being God makes no sense in relation to the mission of Christ, is inconsistent with the Bible, and leads people away from the fullness of the Father, the Gospel that he has to deliver to you. You have been led astray by the cunning arts of the adversary.
@sotl97 Everything you just said is so twisted and wrong, 2000 years of theology has debunked all of your claims before you even commented. Your misleading claims contradicts all of the scriptures and you have no evidence for your claims.
@@gen.washington1893 I am sorry for the hostile tone in my comments, I apologize that it came across as an attack out of the blue. You were just sharing your belief and witness. I am concerned that those professing to be Christians really are not, they are Trinitarians which is a different gospel than Jesus and His apostles preached. I do need to ask though, what does the last 2000 years of theology have to do with anything? The last 2000 years of theology is uninspired rhetoric compared to the voice of Jesus Christ, the Prophets, and the Apostles. I am concerned that you, and others are putting the theology of men above the Biblical Record and you are not truly studying the Bible but reading those philosophies into the Bible, trusting in your preacher rather than God and the Holy Spirit. I invite you to read the Gospels again with an open mind, seeking the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on this matter. Praying that God will reveal the true nature of the Godhead.
@@sotl97 Not even worth reading. Your blasphemy and heresy is reputed by 2000-year old dead men that knew the Apostles, the disciples, and have studied the scriptures far more than most of us modern-day believers. If you actually care about your salvation, repent and do your research. If you just want to be "right" and unitarian, then stay your course and see where it leads you.
First, the doctrine of the incarnation teaches that Jesus “emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:6-7, ESV). Thus, “for a little while” (Hebrews 2:9), the Father was greater in glory and exaltation.
@@Verge63 so he could do miracles, but was mortal, equal, but subservient? How does that work? Was the Trinity temporarily suspended? How does a mortal rise from the dead without being Divine? Did he ascend as a human or as God? And wasn't Jesus around from the beginning? (John 1) Why did he and the Father lead the Israelites down one path for thousands of years only to change the game later and send Jesus with a totally new essence of a Messiah? If God sent another Messiah tomorrow would you abandon Jesus for the new incarnation as was expected of the Hebrews? Why did God give a new and final revelation to Muhammad? I find it very odd that the same deity (YHWH, God, Allah) gave different messages to one small spot on the earth and none in the vast majority of it.
Of course the New Testament says Jesus is God, I know of no one who disputes this. What is disputed is whether Jesus HIMSELF claimed to be God. The gospel of John quotes Jesus as directly claiming to be God. The other 3 gospels do not (claims of being the Son of Man/the Messiah would not have been understood to be claims of divinity)
Point to add being that John was the last gospel to have been written if you look at the chronological order in which they were written. Which means there is a higher probability of inaccuracies.
Daniel 7:13-14 13.I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
@@mr.potatofries8094Matthew 26: 64-65 64: Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 65: Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
You I'm wondering if "Jesus is never clearly referred to as 'ho theos' in the New Testament" would be a fair statement. Meta AI Yes, that statement is fair and accurate. While Jesus is referred to as "God" (Theos) in several places in the New Testament, He is never explicitly referred to as "ho theos" (the God) in the same way that the Father is. There are instances where Jesus is referred to as "Theos" (Theos), but these instances are often debated among scholars and theologians, and the language is not always as clear-cut as "ho theos". So, the specific phrase "ho theos" is reserved for the Father, maintaining a distinction between the two.
The blind trying to lead the blind only lead others to fall in the pit together. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
@@vyrg7410 This, then, is the whole crux of the matter concerning 1 Timothy 3:16, for a scant handful of manuscripts are missing the horizontal lines, thus APPEARING to form the word "who" instead of "Theos." This scant handful of manuscripts missing the horizontal lines are in opposition to WELL OVER THREE HUNDRED MANUSCRIPTS THAT CONTAIN the horizontal lines, and which therefore testify unmistakably to Theos, or "God".
Waiting on Dr. Craig to accept Dr. Tuggy's debate challenge. Why hasn't he? yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist (1 Cor.8:6).
Proving Jesus is God doesn't prove second person of a trinity. Only that God was manifest manifest in the flesh. Distinction is not another person. I have never seen the men in this video, but I have now seen their image and can say I know what they look like.
Sorry, I'm fairly new as a theist and though Christianity has not yet proven itself to me, I have not yet entirely dismissed it. Is this man impressed that the new testament, written entirely because of the events of Jesus, herald Jesus as god? Someone please explain what I have missed?
Yes. There are several places where the New Testament writers refer to Jesus as God, such as Titus 2:13 and John 1:1, 14. You can read more on this here: www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-2/s2-doctrine-of-god-trinity/doctrine-of-the-trinity-part-3. - RF Admin
@@drcraigvideos is 2 in Titus God and the messiah Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:1 'Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord. By the way where is "god the Holy Spirit" alway left behind ah?
Must be hard understanding that scholars can agree on what a religion teaches even if they don't believe in it. Jesus will help you when you're ready to ask.
@JadDragon you are a horrible person even by your own religions standard. Lying to me about a dead person. Be ashamed. Critical scholsrs recognise Jesus never claimed to be god. Learn history
One of those is referring to John 1:1 but you are falsifying the interpretation of the scripture to imply that Theos is referring to The Word, Jesus Christ. It isn't. It reads " In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God and The Word was divine." That does not say Jesus was God when correctly translated. So, you can keep manipulating scripture to justify the abhorrent notion that Jesus is God the Father, and worshiping man made doctrines, but stop trying to prove the Trinity is anything but man made nonsense that you want to believe. Jesus is God the Son. He was with God from the beginning, Genesis chapters 1-3 refer to him constantly with God, not God. "They have become one of US, knowing good and evil." Who are the US? God the Father and Jesus. Jesus is one of the Morning Stars, just like Lucifer. John makes this clear in Revelations 22:16. This is proof that Christians believe in the Creeds and use the Bible to support their belief, their religion. They don't believe the Bible. They believe the philosophies of men mingled with Scripture, and that is Satin's work.
Your ignorant if you think Jesus statement of being the one like the Son of man and Cloud Rider of Daniel 7 : 13,14 is NOT claiming to be the Visible YHWH of the TWO Powers in Heaven israelite theology of the 2nd temple period. The High Priest understood this as what Jesus was claiming and said He Blasphemed ; as the Visible YHWH is God who the prophets saw but NOT the Invisible YHWH the Father who NO man has seen or can see. Thomas also understood this in John 20:28 Why don't u.????
@@davidjanbaz7728 okay, I am trying to follow your comment here, but I'm just not. Happy to respond but I feel like there are several points here that are all wandering together. What?
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
@@selvican123 correct. Jesus took the divine name of God upon him, and the work of salvation. His role was was exalted above the Angels and when he finished his work, he was again exalted above measure, made better than the angels. I think we agree on this point, we differ on the point that Jesus is the literal Son of God or just another form of God.
He is the son of God; & therefore, to be given the same respect as one would with God Himself. But he's not God. He's an empowered incarnation of God; an individual spirit soul.
The concept of God is not hard to grasp, but to claim a single being, presenting itself as a human while claiming it is God is nonsense.. He could have claimed that he was part of God, like everyone else, but God is in everyone and is everywhere, it would make no sense that one person would call himself God without adding that we are all God (or all part of God).
So is satan called the god of this century. So are the demons worshipped by the nations around israel called gods. So are "those who received the word of god" in john 10 called gods. So is Moses called god in Exodus 4 and 7. So is a king called god in psalm 45. But when jesus is called god, people decided he is cosubstantial with the father.
Lol. The Trinity is an abomination before God. It is a man made doctrine mingled with scripture. Jesus is God's son, from the beginning, bearing the divine name of God.
It's because the word god in English doesn't mean the same as elohim in Hebrews. This is why the term spiritual beings is often used. There is one God, other spiritual beings. You're just not understanding the literature and language. Jesus is the one true God.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
@JadDragon 0 bible verses say that jesus is the one true god. On the other hand, many verses say the father is the one/only/unique/true God. They didn't have capital letters to differentiate the words god and God, so they needed these extra words. Jesus had a very different opinion about himself than trinitarians do. John 17:3 BSB [3] Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Yes, Greek speaking, non eyewitness far removed authors of the gospels using other people's writings!! It's the most dishonest stance to say that this is reliable enough to change people's lives to believe in some god of a book.
@@JadDragon That's pretty extreme, and shows how monumentally ignorant you are. I hate the made up history in your holy book, and the altered pseudo history that believers make up from their interpretation of their holy book.
@@JadDragonwhen you look at any historical work, you need to consider its bias. The New Testament has an obvious agenda beyond simply recording history. That doesn't mean the Bible is lying, but it means you have to treat it differently than, say, Josephus. Of course Josephus was also biased, but his main goal was not to promote an ideology
@@JadDragon OP was pointing out how far removed the gospels are from the events they describe. I took your reply to mean that most historical documents are far removed from the events they describe. OP's mistake was to imply separation means inaccuracy. Your mistake was to imply that because it is no more distant than other historical texts, it can be considered just as accurate. Let me know if I'm reading way more into what you said than you meant
Funny fact: If you read the Bible, you don't need to google that question.
You also don't have to wonder if you're smart
The Bible is fiction
1 John 2:22 LSB
[22] Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
Don't deny Jesus His divinity, the Bible is very clear.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
whos the father and the son. that is implying that the two are separate.
@@Ekigrim Yes. The Trinity is 3 seperate Persons who are all fully the One God.
@@Ekigrim
You gotta apply some christian "logic" here. 3=1, unique = the same, etc.
Jesus is the Messiah, where say Jesus is God?...you will never see "God the son or God the Holy Spirit in the Bible"
@@somerandom3247 I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling
As a new believer when I was young, I was so happy to know God's love for me, and yet very soon it dawned on me that Christ was God. I was fearful that I misunderstood what I was seeing in scripture. I then comfirmed this with others and was flabbergasted that such a truth was not taught as it should be.
I am sorry to tell you, it isn't true. You were taught the Trinity, not the scriptures. I hope you can see how this isn't true.
Jesus is the Son of God. He is the second being referred to in Genesis 3:22. Jesus is called a Moring Star in Revelations 22:16, in the same order as Lucifer. He is a God that bears the Devine Name, or rather the name of the Father.
John 1:1 that is often referenced as proof that Jesus is God, is translated wrong. This mistranslation is intentional to support a creedal belief in the Trinity. Look at the Greek. Theon is God, Theos means what God possesses, or Godlike. The correct translation that Bible Scholars mostly agree on is this "In the beginning was the Word. And the word was with God and the Word was Devine." That is a lot different than the Word was God... Completely different meanings. With this correct translation you see that the Word, Jesus Christ was not God but rather Like God and given Devine power.
Of course he possesses godly attributes. He bears God's Name, the divine manifestation of God, acting in God's name to perform God's Work.
Read the Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen in Matthew 21:33-46. Who is the son they killed? It's Jesus Christ. Who is the owner? It's God the Father. Different people.
I am sorry, but Christianity doesn't believe the Bible. They believe the creeds and use the Bible to support their belief. They believe in he philosophis of men mingled with scripture. A bastersized version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, fit to mans preferences.
No where does Jesus ever state that he is God. Jesus was from the beginning with God. He is the God of the Old Testament. The Great I Am is Jesus. "I Am" means the redeemer, Savior, liberator.
John 17, Jesus explains from his own mouth his relationship with God. Jesus stands at the right hand of God in Stephen's Vision. Jesus is the chosen Son of God. Jesus is the only rightful heir of God. Jesus becomes our father so that through him we can become heirs of God.
This idea that Jesus is another form of God is not monotheism, it is Transmorphism, no different than the Hindu Sheba. It's an abomination.
Jesus being God makes no sense in relation to the mission of Christ, is inconsistent with the Bible, and leads people away from the fullness of the Father, the Gospel that he has to deliver to you. You have been led astray by the cunning arts of the adversary.
@sotl97 Everything you just said is so twisted and wrong, 2000 years of theology has debunked all of your claims before you even commented. Your misleading claims contradicts all of the scriptures and you have no evidence for your claims.
@@gen.washington1893 I am sorry for the hostile tone in my comments, I apologize that it came across as an attack out of the blue. You were just sharing your belief and witness.
I am concerned that those professing to be Christians really are not, they are Trinitarians which is a different gospel than Jesus and His apostles preached. I do need to ask though, what does the last 2000 years of theology have to do with anything? The last 2000 years of theology is uninspired rhetoric compared to the voice of Jesus Christ, the Prophets, and the Apostles. I am concerned that you, and others are putting the theology of men above the Biblical Record and you are not truly studying the Bible but reading those philosophies into the Bible, trusting in your preacher rather than God and the Holy Spirit.
I invite you to read the Gospels again with an open mind, seeking the inspiration of the Holy Spirit on this matter. Praying that God will reveal the true nature of the Godhead.
@@sotl97 nice heresy you got there.
@@sotl97 Not even worth reading. Your blasphemy and heresy is reputed by 2000-year old dead men that knew the Apostles, the disciples, and have studied the scriptures far more than most of us modern-day believers. If you actually care about your salvation, repent and do your research. If you just want to be "right" and unitarian, then stay your course and see where it leads you.
“The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
First, the doctrine of the incarnation teaches that Jesus “emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:6-7, ESV). Thus, “for a little while” (Hebrews 2:9), the Father was greater in glory and exaltation.
@@Verge63 so he could do miracles, but was mortal, equal, but subservient?
How does that work? Was the Trinity temporarily suspended? How does a mortal rise from the dead without being Divine? Did he ascend as a human or as God?
And wasn't Jesus around from the beginning? (John 1) Why did he and the Father lead the Israelites down one path for thousands of years only to change the game later and send Jesus with a totally new essence of a Messiah?
If God sent another Messiah tomorrow would you abandon Jesus for the new incarnation as was expected of the Hebrews?
Why did God give a new and final revelation to Muhammad?
I find it very odd that the same deity (YHWH, God, Allah) gave different messages to one small spot on the earth and none in the vast majority of it.
Amen!!
Of course the New Testament says Jesus is God, I know of no one who disputes this.
What is disputed is whether Jesus HIMSELF claimed to be God. The gospel of John quotes Jesus as directly claiming to be God. The other 3 gospels do not (claims of being the Son of Man/the Messiah would not have been understood to be claims of divinity)
Point to add being that John was the last gospel to have been written if you look at the chronological order in which they were written. Which means there is a higher probability of inaccuracies.
Daniel 7:13-14
13.I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
@@mr.potatofries8094Matthew 26: 64-65
64: Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65: Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Jesus was clearly quoting Daniel 7 at his hearing. So yes, Jesus did make this claim. The high priest understood him perfectly.
@@weightednormal3682 like I said, Son of Man = Messiah DOES NOT = God
Timothy says that jesus is not god though, so you have a clear contradiction there
Post these 7 times please William
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Yes. The bible definitely presents Jesus as being god.
It also says that a donkey spoke, so take that with a grain of salt.
You
I'm wondering if "Jesus is never clearly referred to as 'ho theos' in the New Testament" would be a fair statement.
Meta AI
Yes, that statement is fair and accurate. While Jesus is referred to as "God" (Theos) in several places in the New Testament, He is never explicitly referred to as "ho theos" (the God) in the same way that the Father is.
There are instances where Jesus is referred to as "Theos" (Theos), but these instances are often debated among scholars and theologians, and the language is not always as clear-cut as "ho theos".
So, the specific phrase "ho theos" is reserved for the Father, maintaining a distinction between the two.
The blind trying to lead the blind only lead others to fall in the pit together. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
You've quoted a corrupted verse
@@vyrg7410 This, then, is the whole crux of the matter concerning 1 Timothy 3:16, for a scant handful of manuscripts are missing the horizontal lines, thus APPEARING to form the word "who" instead of "Theos." This scant handful of manuscripts missing the horizontal lines are in opposition to WELL OVER THREE HUNDRED MANUSCRIPTS THAT CONTAIN the horizontal lines, and which therefore testify unmistakably to Theos, or "God".
Waiting on Dr. Craig to accept Dr. Tuggy's debate challenge. Why hasn't he?
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist (1 Cor.8:6).
Proving Jesus is God doesn't prove second person of a trinity. Only that God was manifest manifest in the flesh. Distinction is not another person. I have never seen the men in this video, but I have now seen their image and can say I know what they look like.
And who are the authors of the new testament exactly...
Sorry, I'm fairly new as a theist and though Christianity has not yet proven itself to me, I have not yet entirely dismissed it. Is this man impressed that the new testament, written entirely because of the events of Jesus, herald Jesus as god? Someone please explain what I have missed?
Yes. There are several places where the New Testament writers refer to Jesus as God, such as Titus 2:13 and John 1:1, 14. You can read more on this here: www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-2/s2-doctrine-of-god-trinity/doctrine-of-the-trinity-part-3. - RF Admin
@@drcraigvideos is 2 in Titus God and the messiah Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:1 'Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord. By the way where is "god the Holy Spirit" alway left behind ah?
Where is the trinity found in the Bible?
John 1:1
@seanandsaraannestorms
Nowhere.
@@freedomclub2285
What part of that passage do you think references the trinity?
2 Corinthians 13:14 says, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all"
In at least 7 places, NT explicitly refer to Jesus' as God?
Confirmation bias much
False
He is A god
But most DEFINITELY NOT
ALMIGHTY God.
The demons and your BELLY are also referred to as a god.
Jesus is devine now after his resurrection, is on only God and that is the father.
"Indisputable"
Critical scholars: 👀
Must be hard understanding that scholars can agree on what a religion teaches even if they don't believe in it.
Jesus will help you when you're ready to ask.
@JadDragon you are a horrible person even by your own religions standard. Lying to me about a dead person. Be ashamed. Critical scholsrs recognise Jesus never claimed to be god. Learn history
One of those is referring to John 1:1 but you are falsifying the interpretation of the scripture to imply that Theos is referring to The Word, Jesus Christ. It isn't. It reads " In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God and The Word was divine." That does not say Jesus was God when correctly translated.
So, you can keep manipulating scripture to justify the abhorrent notion that Jesus is God the Father, and worshiping man made doctrines, but stop trying to prove the Trinity is anything but man made nonsense that you want to believe.
Jesus is God the Son. He was with God from the beginning, Genesis chapters 1-3 refer to him constantly with God, not God. "They have become one of US, knowing good and evil." Who are the US? God the Father and Jesus.
Jesus is one of the Morning Stars, just like Lucifer. John makes this clear in Revelations 22:16.
This is proof that Christians believe in the Creeds and use the Bible to support their belief, their religion. They don't believe the Bible. They believe the philosophies of men mingled with Scripture, and that is Satin's work.
Your ignorant if you think Jesus statement of being the one like the Son of man and Cloud Rider of Daniel 7 : 13,14 is NOT claiming to be the Visible YHWH of the TWO Powers in Heaven israelite theology of the 2nd temple period.
The High Priest understood this as what Jesus was claiming and said He Blasphemed ; as the Visible YHWH is God who the prophets saw but NOT the Invisible YHWH the Father who NO man has seen or can see.
Thomas also understood this in John 20:28
Why don't u.????
@@davidjanbaz7728 okay, I am trying to follow your comment here, but I'm just not. Happy to respond but I feel like there are several points here that are all wandering together.
What?
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
@@selvican123 correct. Jesus took the divine name of God upon him, and the work of salvation. His role was was exalted above the Angels and when he finished his work, he was again exalted above measure, made better than the angels.
I think we agree on this point, we differ on the point that Jesus is the literal Son of God or just another form of God.
He is the son of God; & therefore, to be given the same respect as one would with God Himself.
But he's not God. He's an empowered incarnation of God; an individual spirit soul.
Misleading. Read "How Jesus became God". Only John refered to Jesus as god - the latest euangelia. All 3 older ones explicitly do not.
verses please.
The concept of God is not hard to grasp, but to claim a single being, presenting itself as a human while claiming it is God is nonsense.. He could have claimed that he was part of God, like everyone else, but God is in everyone and is everywhere, it would make no sense that one person would call himself God without adding that we are all God (or all part of God).
So is satan called the god of this century. So are the demons worshipped by the nations around israel called gods. So are "those who received the word of god" in john 10 called gods. So is Moses called god in Exodus 4 and 7. So is a king called god in psalm 45. But when jesus is called god, people decided he is cosubstantial with the father.
Lol. The Trinity is an abomination before God. It is a man made doctrine mingled with scripture. Jesus is God's son, from the beginning, bearing the divine name of God.
It's because the word god in English doesn't mean the same as elohim in Hebrews. This is why the term spiritual beings is often used. There is one God, other spiritual beings. You're just not understanding the literature and language.
Jesus is the one true God.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
@JadDragon 0 bible verses say that jesus is the one true god. On the other hand, many verses say the father is the one/only/unique/true God. They didn't have capital letters to differentiate the words god and God, so they needed these extra words.
Jesus had a very different opinion about himself than trinitarians do.
John 17:3 BSB
[3] Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
@@samuelcallai4209 John chapter 1.
The Word is God. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is God.
Not complicated.
That means jesus is totaly immoral
now yes
Yes, Greek speaking, non eyewitness far removed authors of the gospels using other people's writings!!
It's the most dishonest stance to say that this is reliable enough to change people's lives to believe in some god of a book.
Guess you hate all history.
@@JadDragon That's pretty extreme, and shows how monumentally ignorant you are. I hate the made up history in your holy book, and the altered pseudo history that believers make up from their interpretation of their holy book.
@@JadDragonwhen you look at any historical work, you need to consider its bias. The New Testament has an obvious agenda beyond simply recording history. That doesn't mean the Bible is lying, but it means you have to treat it differently than, say, Josephus. Of course Josephus was also biased, but his main goal was not to promote an ideology
@@johnvonkerman ok. OP isn't doing that.
@@JadDragon OP was pointing out how far removed the gospels are from the events they describe. I took your reply to mean that most historical documents are far removed from the events they describe.
OP's mistake was to imply separation means inaccuracy. Your mistake was to imply that because it is no more distant than other historical texts, it can be considered just as accurate.
Let me know if I'm reading way more into what you said than you meant