Even if the Lich King gwts killed, he isn't the true enemy. There are still many locations not added to WoW that can be made as xpaks, such as the Maelstrom, the Twisting Nether where Sargeras rests, The Emerald Dream and the Emerald Nightmare, and possibly Argus, the draenei/eredar homeworld that was overrun by the Burning Legion.
Jumping will work for removing the stacking debuff but its important to note the way it stacks and dispells. For every second spent standing still you will gain one stack. Then for every second spent moving you will dispell a stack. If you continuously move you'll never have the debuff but if you get rooted you may need to move around rather than jump to remove it more efficiently.
"Frozen Blows" is a periodic buff that the boss will cast on himself. It cannot be dispelled from him for its 20 second duration. Although the physical dmg dealt by Hodir is reduced, Cooldowns should be used on the tank if they do not have a sufficient amount of frost resist.
For this fight I would discourage any attempts to spread out your raid members. The "Freeze" ability that he uses only hits for around 6k and only roots targets to the ground. It does not causes 110% of the targets HP in dmg or temporarily stun the target. The only concern is that players will be unable to remove the stacking debuff "Biting Cold" by moving. However, he mentioned that the rooting portion can be dispelled several ways, with Mass Dispel probably being the most efficient.
Apart from the tanks, frost resistance isn't required. If you use 2 tanks, only the frozen blow tank requires frost resistance gear. I MT the entire fight on 25m with 3fr pieces, to give you an idea.
The 3 plate frost resist pieces have a total of 7 sockets; if you neglect socket bonuses and fill them all with Thick King's Amber, tanks should be able to get 28 Defense on them. 35 with a belt buckle. That should at least keep you close to the cap. Due to an unfortunately timed gear change, I once tanked Ulduar 10 from start to Freya with only 537 Defense; I was only crit once during that entire stretch. So it's definitely possible to tank Hodir while slightly under the def cap.
Well it does get mitigated by your frost resistance, so a pally with frost resistance aura + a couple of FR gear pieces should see you survive the encounter just fine.
He said the NPC's are moonkins. They might have 1 moonkin in the raid, the other two are resto druids, but I'm sure most of the time you saw a boomkin get frozen, it was an NPC.
Im sorry, but if I understand you right, then you are wrong. You still reduce the chance of getting critted beyond 540, but nothing in PvE will be able to crit you after that. Since the highest level mob you will meet is a level 83 (boss). The crit chance a mob has is linked to it's level. In pvp you meet higher crit chances, which is why you need resilliance as it offers more crit protection then defense ;)
Well, we tried it w/o any FR gear and tbh the raid damage was absolutely insane. imo the most difficult part of this fight is healing through the aoe and any FR gear you can get will greatly increase your chances of downing him.
Actually, you are wrong. The boss cannot parry an attack from behind him. Yyy279 is correct in what (s)he said, that is why any good DPS will be behind the boss.
Hmm, I use most of these addons I think they're : Pitbull (Unit Frames),Prat,Bartender4,Recount,Digits ,MSBT, and Grid. There are more but I don't know they're names...
I just love your unitframes (target, target's target and the ragebar). Mind informing us what addon you're using? As you posted on a thread regarding your UI you said you were using pitbull, but I can't configure it to remotely look like yours. I wonder how you get the name, numbers etc. to be outside actual frame.
uhm Ciderhelm , just a odd question , like in this movie since you gave all the information till middle of the movie , when you have spoken done , could you try like Get the real sound back or so ? so we can come prepaired when he says what or whatnot Ta // healer
Doesn't really matter, so far the only bosses that have enrage (As far as I've cleared) are XT-deconstructor - Which I would say if you can't do 4kDPS you fail and shouldn't be in that raid. On the boss it'self you should do at least 5-6k with the heart taking extra damage - and Razorscale. Again, if you can't do 4k DPS for to Razorscale (Not the adds), you will probably fail. This is all compared to 25man, 10 man is rediculously easier.
Great video, something you didn't explain is how, other than frost resist gear you are supposed to mitigate a 31k frost damage hit in 10 man? Just heal through it? I only have 36k hp raid buffed but I am quite aware of the major bonus stam on frost resist gear - is that all there is to it?
blegh my first comment looked funky. I wonder how resto shamans deal with healing on this high mobility fight. I barely saw any chain heals in this video...
gay doesn't necessarily mean homosexual it just means something is crap or substandard or not what it should be. It has more than 1 meaning! By the thanks for the videos they are very useful.
When tanks wear their frost resist gear, it will obviously most likely make them under defense cap, right? So how would tanks cope with the potential to get critically hit by the boss? Or is there a way to keep a high amount of resistance yet remain above defense cap?
the only thing i can think of would be have your raid wear more frost resist gear our guild was having the same problem and when we did that it helped out took longer to kill him but we were able to survive the whole fight
The only thing that bosses can do from behind them is dodge. They can't block or parry. Melee dps needs 26 expertise (214 expertise rating) to prevent a level 80 raid dungeon boss from dodging while dps is attacking from behind it.
Wouldnt be surprised if it was Pitbull, got a fairly similar setup myself. With a little patience you can do whatever you want with that mod at least :)
hey ciderhelm im thinking [like the last boss in nexus] you should jump :) and when you do this this will stop the affect of that debuff but you do have to move like the maly gose incounter i sugest your dps wait for threat
@ 01000001011100100111 When you critically hit you always deal twice the damage of your regular strike or more, so there can't be any "very small crit".
you said that for a tank to stand in a light may be helpful...why wouldn't it be helpful? shouldn't you always try to get in the light wether you are tank or dps or healer?
Bleh, for once I'll have to be the guy asking what addon that is. Usually ciderhelm uses Pitbull, but that unit frame thingie that shows boss and bosses target seems very good, since its not taking up alot of room, anyone happen to know which addon it would be?
Can anyone tell me a usful way to counter Hodirs AoE damage when he changes to Frozen Blows, my guilds healers are having trouble with it, i thought thst maybe if they stand in the light buff the extra speed will help them? if theres anything else pls let me know kthx
Well actually it is not needed it only helps a bit, my guild downed him without any frost gear only paladins frost aura and we are not so good gearead yet. Good tank, fast healers and smart dps -the key to succes
Do note that the Recount damage meter shown is not just for this fight, but for the whole raid including trash and downtime, so the DPS numbers appear a lot lower than they would if it were just for the hodir fight.
Insulting people's English capability over the intarwebs? You are such a cool guy! I suppose you are going to tell me it's actually called the Internet, next?
Ehm no, you are still wrong. You CAN reduce it even more if you want, there is just no point. After 540 you are crit immune, wich means that you will NOT get crit in pve, ever. That is the whole point of this "magic number" There is no chance what so ever to be crit by a boss, if it did crit you would die.
Even if the Lich King gwts killed, he isn't the true enemy. There are still many locations not added to WoW that can be made as xpaks, such as the Maelstrom, the Twisting Nether where Sargeras rests, The Emerald Dream and the Emerald Nightmare, and possibly Argus, the draenei/eredar homeworld that was overrun by the Burning Legion.
damn
These great videos are relevant again in 2022 ;p
Ulduar - the best Wow raid ever !
still the best guides out there!
Is he still alive??
@@SnapDragon1305 well, he is now!
Jumping will work for removing the stacking debuff but its important to note the way it stacks and dispells. For every second spent standing still you will gain one stack. Then for every second spent moving you will dispell a stack. If you continuously move you'll never have the debuff but if you get rooted you may need to move around rather than jump to remove it more efficiently.
Yogg-Saron is the final boss in Ulduar. Algalon is an optional, bonus boss. Regardless of difficulty, Yogg-Saron is the "final boss".
"Frozen Blows" is a periodic buff that the boss will cast on himself. It cannot be dispelled from him for its 20 second duration. Although the physical dmg dealt by Hodir is reduced, Cooldowns should be used on the tank if they do not have a sufficient amount of frost resist.
For this fight I would discourage any attempts to spread out your raid members. The "Freeze" ability that he uses only hits for around 6k and only roots targets to the ground. It does not causes 110% of the targets HP in dmg or temporarily stun the target.
The only concern is that players will be unable to remove the stacking debuff "Biting Cold" by moving. However, he mentioned that the rooting portion can be dispelled several ways, with Mass Dispel probably being the most efficient.
Apart from the tanks, frost resistance isn't required.
If you use 2 tanks, only the frozen blow tank requires frost resistance gear.
I MT the entire fight on 25m with 3fr pieces, to give you an idea.
The 3 plate frost resist pieces have a total of 7 sockets; if you neglect socket bonuses and fill them all with Thick King's Amber, tanks should be able to get 28 Defense on them. 35 with a belt buckle.
That should at least keep you close to the cap.
Due to an unfortunately timed gear change, I once tanked Ulduar 10 from start to Freya with only 537 Defense; I was only crit once during that entire stretch. So it's definitely possible to tank Hodir while slightly under the def cap.
btw if ur melle, or instant caster, just keep jumping to keep the binding cold un stacked
Well it does get mitigated by your frost resistance, so a pally with frost resistance aura + a couple of FR gear pieces should see you survive the encounter just fine.
He said the NPC's are moonkins. They might have 1 moonkin in the raid, the other two are resto druids, but I'm sure most of the time you saw a boomkin get frozen, it was an NPC.
Im sorry, but if I understand you right, then you are wrong.
You still reduce the chance of getting critted beyond 540, but nothing in PvE will be able to crit you after that. Since the highest level mob you will meet is a level 83 (boss). The crit chance a mob has is linked to it's level.
In pvp you meet higher crit chances, which is why you need resilliance as it offers more crit protection then defense ;)
@mocire By ToC I hope you mean of the champion, Trial of the crusader is a lot harder than ulduar.
Ok just want to say great video and Thx Ciderhelm. Quick question where do you get the music for your videos
Nice Video
Are these video Shot in the PTR?
can i just ask, what addon do you use for your health/rage and target health bars?
Love the videos, keep them coming :P
Well, we tried it w/o any FR gear and tbh the raid damage was absolutely insane. imo the most difficult part of this fight is healing through the aoe and any FR gear you can get will greatly increase your chances of downing him.
Actually, you are wrong. The boss cannot parry an attack from behind him. Yyy279 is correct in what (s)he said, that is why any good DPS will be behind the boss.
Hmm, I use most of these addons I think they're : Pitbull (Unit Frames),Prat,Bartender4,Recount,Digits ,MSBT, and Grid. There are more but I don't know they're names...
I just love your unitframes (target, target's target and the ragebar). Mind informing us what addon you're using?
As you posted on a thread regarding your UI you said you were using pitbull, but I can't configure it to remotely look like yours. I wonder how you get the name, numbers etc. to be outside actual frame.
uhm Ciderhelm , just a odd question , like in this movie since you gave all the information till middle of the movie , when you have spoken done , could you try like Get the real sound back or so ? so we can come prepaired when he says what or whatnot
Ta // healer
The numerical Health meters/ rage is called Digits or Digitz i forget which
Doesn't really matter, so far the only bosses that have enrage (As far as I've cleared) are XT-deconstructor - Which I would say if you can't do 4kDPS you fail and shouldn't be in that raid. On the boss it'self you should do at least 5-6k with the heart taking extra damage - and Razorscale. Again, if you can't do 4k DPS for to Razorscale (Not the adds), you will probably fail.
This is all compared to 25man, 10 man is rediculously easier.
Love TankSpot movies... Helped me and my guild plenty of times... One question though:
what music do you use in your videos? this one especialy?
ua-cam.com/video/ky4NcEZbhfo/v-deo.html
I really like this ambient, snowy music you've got going in the background, is it available for download somewhere?
Great video, something you didn't explain is how, other than frost resist gear you are supposed to mitigate a 31k frost damage hit in 10 man? Just heal through it? I only have 36k hp raid buffed but I am quite aware of the major bonus stam on frost resist gear - is that all there is to it?
if your dps dont get to use the buff on malygos then your doing it wrong.
blegh my first comment looked funky.
I wonder how resto shamans deal with healing on this high mobility fight. I barely saw any chain heals in this video...
now we all coming back
gay doesn't necessarily mean homosexual it just means something is crap or substandard or not what it should be. It has more than 1 meaning!
By the thanks for the videos they are very useful.
If you want to know what addons they are using, go to their official website. It's all in there.
I see you got a new health bar addon... yould you mind posting what it is somehwere? seems effective and compact... in other words... perfict! heh.
the song at the end of this movie is very relaxing, what is it?
He didn't say necessary, he said it aided raid surviavability. So it's optional I suppose.
When tanks wear their frost resist gear, it will obviously most likely make them under defense cap, right? So how would tanks cope with the potential to get critically hit by the boss? Or is there a way to keep a high amount of resistance yet remain above defense cap?
the only thing i can think of would be have your raid wear more frost resist gear our guild was having the same problem and when we did that it helped out took longer to kill him but we were able to survive the whole fight
can someone tell me pls what the add on is called that shows is health in green numbers there ???
The only thing that bosses can do from behind them is dodge. They can't block or parry. Melee dps needs 26 expertise (214 expertise rating) to prevent a level 80 raid dungeon boss from dodging while dps is attacking from behind it.
Since this is 25man he assumes that you already know the basic fight.
what's the name of the addon that puts your health bar and your target's health bar right below the center of the screen?
DPS dont gain threat from casting in the light, dont know how this works for tanks, but id imagine it would work the same?
its neccesary have frost resistance gear to this???
Wouldnt be surprised if it was Pitbull, got a fairly similar setup myself.
With a little patience you can do whatever you want with that mod at least :)
something I have been asking as a dk tank what should your hp be for naxx 10 and naxx 25
hey ciderhelm im thinking [like the last boss in nexus] you should jump :) and when you do this this will stop the affect of that debuff but you do have to move like the maly gose incounter i sugest your dps wait for threat
its different now then it was in ulduar, but the lowest dps in my guild was 4.6k dps in ToC25.
Could anyone tell me what the music used in this video is?
Thanks
if your taking 31k frost dmg per hit during the frozen blows, how much frost resist do you have to have to cut that in half?
indeed his dps are around 2500.
the warrior guy over 4k is dual wielding Betrayers.
ever seen that pvp prot pally with 14k shield slams dude its insane
Nice video!
The boomkin in your raid needs to stop getting freezed up tho! I saw 5-6 iceblocked boomkins on the first viewing lol!
@ 01000001011100100111
When you critically hit you always deal twice the damage of your regular strike or more, so there can't be any "very small crit".
what tank addons are you using cider? please can you list them
you said that for a tank to stand in a light may be helpful...why wouldn't it be helpful? shouldn't you always try to get in the light wether you are tank or dps or healer?
Bleh, for once I'll have to be the guy asking what addon that is. Usually ciderhelm uses Pitbull, but that unit frame thingie that shows boss and bosses target seems very good, since its not taking up alot of room, anyone happen to know which addon it would be?
yup true def capp 540 but i always have like 1 or 2 more def capp just to be safe for changing gear so i know il will be def capped
530 means you can be crit, that is not good enough for ulduar.
lars551 if you have just dinged 80 you should be running OS, Naxx, EoE and ToC before you even consider going to Ulduar
I believe that addon is Dominos.
What in the hell is that song? Its beautiful. Reminds me of Phantasy Star online.
what about the campfires?
May someone please share the name of the music artist?
can anyone tell me what's the music they play ?
I wonder why he doesn't mention melt ice or toasty fires...
May I what addons you are using?
should be 32 with a belt buckle, not 35. 4 def from every thick king's amber.
he was uually moveing him to nex tto a startlight, or away a snowfall
TankSpot`s ROCK!
any idea wad music is this?
what is the music!?
Can anyone tell me a usful way to counter Hodirs AoE damage when he changes to Frozen Blows, my guilds healers are having trouble with it, i thought thst maybe if they stand in the light buff the extra speed will help them? if theres anything else pls let me know kthx
Then why does he explain in detail what starlight and the shaman buff are >_>
Well actually it is not needed it only helps a bit, my guild downed him without any frost gear only paladins frost aura and we are not so good gearead yet. Good tank, fast healers and smart dps -the key to succes
well it does reduce healer's stress
No reason to wait for threat, dps is freeing NPC's at the beginning of the fight
@TViPx I meant ToGC
Watching this guide 13 years later and the most intresting part of this is the dps performance of the raiders compared to now in Classic Wrath.
Do note that the Recount damage meter shown is not just for this fight, but for the whole raid including trash and downtime, so the DPS numbers appear a lot lower than they would if it were just for the hodir fight.
How is this fight on 10 man?
this voice sounds so familiar from the voice of TheWillfOfDC (his youtube acc)
can u link it?
Insulting people's English capability over the intarwebs? You are such a cool guy! I suppose you are going to tell me it's actually called the Internet, next?
Put toc and os as well as all heroics on farm before you think about goin in here. Your guild dps avg should be like 2.5 k and up.
algalon is last boss for ppl good enough to get there.
Hodir is a fight where you get buffs, superbuffs, wich makes certain players reach 19k, so 5 isnt that much ;)
Theres a lot like that, try Bartender4.
What server is he from btw?
he uses cool sounding music
is this frapsed???
my guild spent an entire raid night wiping on this dude, it got insanly frustrating
You seem like you got trolled pretty quick from the streams of counter insults.
people were using frostbolt on hodir =P
ooooooooooooooh the memorys
It's PitBull I belive, highly customable addon
if u drop maly sparks in middle everyone should get them
Ehm no, you are still wrong. You CAN reduce it even more if you want, there is just no point. After 540 you are crit immune, wich means that you will NOT get crit in pve, ever. That is the whole point of this "magic number"
There is no chance what so ever to be crit by a boss, if it did crit you would die.
Stack? Or get some ranged dps :P
lol the boomkin gets hit by flashfreeze like everytime lol
yes