The Md Tank is a frustratingly well balanced unit. When you're losing to them, it feels so powerful. But when you're using them recklessly, it feels so vulnerable
@@richard35791 I have to disagree on some points, I almost never have problems with the md tanks fuel, and a lot of times you won’t be able to produce neotanks every turn, probably because competitive AW maps are designed around it, and md tanks are also better then neotanks in the sense that you can send them at rockets too take them down more cost effectively then neotanks, while their defensive power is almost the same
@@123Pizazz i think that their niche is in the manoeuvre part, no other unit with that much firepower has a move of 6. It will be basically your only option against heavy threats if you have a manoeuvre army, and you do need those armies when fighting someone like grit
I really appreciate that even after all these years of playing Advance Wars, Mangs is willing to say that he doesn't know everything, and in fact, he's been using these wrong for awhile. Much respect for that Mangs.
I recently went through a similar humbling experience when I got into the competitive scene for a more obscure puzzle game. I thought nobody else really played and so I must be the best lol. Turns out I wasn't even above average once I finally found the PVP scene. It's the same for me with Advance Wars! I never thought I would be great, but I thought I could at least hold my own. Turns out, nope! I don't know the first thing! Lol
You can just save funds to tech up even if your income isn’t high enough. Waiting until you have 18-20k income to tech up is too slow. Don’t build a Med Tank if it’ll leave your bases empty, but save for one if it’ll give you an advantage against, for example, 3 tanks.
Egg also said that Neos hard counter Middies - maybe out of fog, but in fog they're definitely a soft counter. A first strike on a Neo wins you the cost battle.
I like to liken it to a tactic in Counter Strike ('eco round') where you deliberately underbuy on weapons and equipment for one round to save up and make a big push in the next one. In AW the principle is the same, though instead of trading away a round point you instead trade a little bit of momentum since you spent less on units for a day.
Honestly if I wanted a Medium tank for some reason and I couldn't afford one immediately, I'd go Mech + Mech + Mech 70% of the time, sometimes Mech + Recon + Infantry, and on very rare occasions Mech + Mech + Infantry. More often, I'm building stuff like tanks and battlecoptors and chuck in a Medium tank occationally when I'm at the 19K income mark (as in I accidentally had the money instead of deliberately saving for one). If both sides are in the 13K income range and the other guy rolled out a Medium tank, odds are high I have rule over everywhere in the map except for where that thing is since my regular tanks are running amock. I've actually been able to get first strikes with Mechs (as in the slowest unit in the game) on people who make a Medium tank this early, although this might be more because people who build one tank and then save up to go straight to Mediums might actually be weaker players than me and not because Mechs are a good counter to Medium tanks. Mechs do not counter Medium tanks well. If a medium tanks is 2 or 3 tiles away from a base and blocked by a friendly unit that is expendable (an infantry or perhaps a 3 HP unit like a tank), then a Mech becomes a good counter since he'll either kill the roadblock and then your Mech walks forward and takes his shot on your turn or he'll go around and trap himself on the Mech. A Mech's cost is the 3000G plus the opportunity cost of the time to get into position, which in this case is nothing. Infantry + Infantry + Infantry is almost always the wrong move when you're saving up for a medium and the other guy has at least 3 tanks in the middle of the map... which is ironic since early on infantry + infantry + infantry is the right way to go.
This definitely tickled my autism whenever it happened as a kid. It's such a little thing to have units face left/right depending on where they're attacking or which way they moved, you'd think a romhack would do it or at least AWBW.
9:04 "You will never get to surround a Md. Tank with Mechs" ~ Mangs before getting a Md. Tank surrounded by Mechs in a future stream Screencap this and send it to Mangs WHEN it happens
I've actually seen Medium Tanks get attacked by 3 Mechs on the same turn without Sami or Adder's power on AWBW. It happens multiple times, but I had to watch a lot. It seems to only happen after turn 50 and it doesn't happen often. I guess if the game drags on that long without either side getting the deceive edge, someone figures "hey, the tanks I'm sending to the front sometimes have to wait" and it always happens in fog of war. I'm still waiting for someone to actually get completely surrounded by Mechs. Well, if people almost surround Medium Tanks with Kanbei, Jess (With Mechs?), Andy, Drake, Adder, and Sami without a power turn, maybe someone somewhere pulled off that completely surrounding one.
With sami's or adder's super power it's not even that strange, considering then they have almost the same mobility as medium tanks. you just need a lot of them in one place (i.e. mountainous choke point) and an MD tank that rolls into the trap.
AW1: "'Medium?' Medium between what? It's the biggest land unit." AW2: "It's between the tank and the neotank? Why is it slower than the bigger neotank?" AWDS: "Ah, between the tank and the megatank. Wait, the megatank is a new invention, how did they know the medium tank would be medium?"
The neo tank is also a new invention. Also. Dont think just because a tank is bigger its slower. The tiger 1 was faster than a lot of its contempreries. And the abrams today is EXTREMLY fast.
'Medium Tank' is mostly an artefact name at this point, in the original Famicom Wars (I think) they actually WERE the medium tank compared to light tanks and heavy tanks. Then heavy tanks got cut for Advance Wars and for some reason light tanks were renamed just Tanks while Medium Tanks stayed the same. IMO they should have kept the Light Tank name and renamed Medium Tanks to Main Battle Tanks or something to that effect, that would have been closer to what a modern armoured military loadout looks like.
Medium Tanks are my favourite units for their bulky appearance and power! I also like the strategic aspect of when you should deploy them during a match.
Med Tanks are basically the bodyguards of the game... they either defend your base, or they can defend your attack force that without it are a bit frail to deal with opposition...
I think the purpoise of Md Tanks is more a defensive roll to deal with big tank concentrations and as front shields for offenives, although they won't work on their own, they need to be integrated into a bigger army.
I really look forward to these unit review videos and random online matches. Mangs has a passionate way of speaking that brings real entertainment to his videos. Thank you!
I think it is worth mentioning that if you see Md Tank, you don't panic buy a neo tank. Just build arty or a MD tank of your own. It's a noob trap to go for the neo as an immediate response because it is very easy for 2 MD tanks to shut down a neo. If you're struggling against a Md tank, it is very likely that you are over extending as well and need to pull back.
Neotanks are the ball that have spider legs and a big hole for cannon Megatanks are the building size block of steel with 3 cannons big enough to fit 3 people inside. It's also known as the meme tank
Md tanks are interesting because they don't really do anything new compared to previous units, no flying, no supplying, no high vision, or ranged attacks, so when deciding whether you should make one it comes down to "when do I want to spend on this rather than a regular tank?" Low movement and low vision are less important on defense so I believe they are easier to use defensively. Used offensively it's more of a long-term investment like a rocket or something, like your md tank may or may not reach the situation it was hoping for when it finally reaches the area you sent it to several turns ago.
I think in practice, they do do something different. They displace the environment, basically put pressure on the opponent make him either raise the stakes to deal with your medium tank with one of his own, or try blocking, evasive or luring procedures to deal with the tank. It's a way of throwing a wrench in his plans
They do do something different, they softcounter every unit before it except for battlecopters and artillery, and those can be safely avoided with good troop placement and antiair.
I always somewhat disliked medium tanks due to campaign. They tended to get stuck in forest patches, failed to get into chokes before eating artillery or something and often didn't secure ohkos necessary to breach fortified lines. I tended to just save for neos who could keep up with the front line better. Those large terrain blobs and heavily fortified central chokes are less of a feature of competitive maps though. I do find it interesting that they significantly reduced medium tank prices in DoR, but also cut back the power and armor a fair bit making it more of a true middle ground tank to the heavier war tank. Something that does still have a strong advantage 1v1 vs a tank, but which isn't invalidating if outnumbered.
I do favor Neotanks for distant bases or breaking lines when I have a ton of money. Though sometimes, it helps to have that Medium Tank+Artillery that you can buy for the same cost of a Neotank. Or if you have the bases, a Medium tank, APC, and infantry.
The competitive metagame has really substantially overvalued tanks in general, and has massively undervalued higher tech units and even ranged units. This is largely because vision is not priced into the value of a unit, and fog generally favors a higher unit count. Add in greatly limited turns thing and a lack of chokepoints means most strategies simply don't have the time to scale up and work. Grit for example is one of the most pound for pound efficient CO's in the game when there are ample chokepoints, but in the wide open maps of AWBW his strategies just break.
@@davidowen1506 I am actually quite curious how the AWBW map pool ended up coming about. I never really paid competitive AW attention before, but their maps are quite different from like the game's premade pvp maps.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa Its a very small community that made up their own minds about what constituted fun and competitive. At any given time, there are around 800-1000 players on the ranked ladder (Depending on activity). On said ladder take what Mangs says with a very heavy dose of skepticism as his main account Mangs1337 has a very poor MMR of sub-900. For perspective you start with a MMR of around 800, and he is barely going even at his current skill level and this is despite having played nearly 250 competitive games and has some pretty sketchy losses, including losing to sub 800 players with less than 50 games of experience.
@@davidowen1506 Huh, sounds a bit like the smogon community for pokemon. It also kind of brewed it's own rules set for their own competitive environment. Well, AW is not very balanced, so I guess I can see why it might be necessary.
Always wondered why Mid-tanks where called that in the original AW. It's medium so that means something should be bigger. Really happy when Neotanks came in.
It seems to be an artifact name from the older Famicom War games. There, regular tanks were known as Light Tanks and there was the Heavy Tank for being above the Medium Tank. AW1 removed Heavy Tanks and changed Light Tanks into just Tanks.
So that's why Colin is so good because of is increased income he can tech up faster then other commander's. So with Colin you can afford to rush out stronger units to compensate for his lower fire power.
The question I came here to get answered: How good are Md Tanks? The question I left with: How did that Battleship get in that 1x1 bathtub square anyway? ._.
4:56 Correction: Every CO can do this except for a CO that have a default firepower decrease on their vehicle units. That is, if you're playing Colin with CO Powers on, you can't do this. 9:21 Medium tanks are powerful, but they can still be chipped by Battle Copters and hidden artillery! Make sure you have the right supports backing it up.
I'm a new player, still working through the campaign on 1+2 Re-Boot Camp and learning the basic strategies. In the first battle against Kanbei, I lost literally every unit except my medium tank. But I got everything else crippled in that time, and that medium tank was still at max. I won that battle. And the bailout that medium tank got me has earned the unit my undying adoration. Love this thing.
While not as flashy as her exotic cousin, Med-Chan is still a force to be reckoned with and it will take a lot more for the bread and butter tank girl to take on the mommy milker.
I have been binge watching your videos lately. Can't wait for the reboot on Switch. Actually dug out my old GBA just to play again as I got tired of waiting for it to release. Would love to play you sometime online.
Having watched this series from the beginning, it is so nice how you have improved its quality, showcases are more dynamic and maps are better organized (ignoring the facing direction this time) Also, thanks for giving more quotes to cite out of context 😅 just kidding ✌🏼
9:03, I'd argue Mechs are a soft counter to Medium tanks. They're not a very good counter since they are too slow. However, a Medium tank is often kind of blind after you take out Recons (which happens often), so one vs 1 with the Mech striking first can happen despite the Medium tank being faster. Does that accomplish much? Well, no not really. Although it is cost-effective, the Mech player has a silent opportunity cost in getting the Mech to move far from his base, so probably not. How about 4 Mechs against a Medium tank? Well that works wonders, but Mechs are too slow to have that happen much. I've seen that maybe three times against humans ever. There are two reasons mechs are an effective soft counter. One is simply acting as a roadblock so the Medium tank is distracted and maybe you can strike elsewhere perhaps slipping a Recon behind his lines, although infantry are faster and therefore better as roadblocks. the other is that while 4 Mechs vs a medium tank almost never happens, you can get something almost as good. As I described in the Mech video (go see Mang's Mech video, it's a good watch), often times you'll see a Medium tank on the road in range of two Mechs and a tank (the tank is easier since it moves faster). Depending on the terrain, this can be an excellent trade. If you can first strike with a Mech from a city (even an enemy city) it will get the 3-star protection of the city from the medium tank's strongest attack. The next Mech can take more bite out of the Medium tank, and if your tank can attack from even plains, by the time the medium tank makes its counterattack, it will be weak enough your damage suffered is minimal. I've also had battlecoptor + Mech + Tank gang up on medium tanks before. This obviously works best when the other side is approaching your units than the other way around.
Hey, new viewer. I was just wondering why most advanced wars channels seem to only rarely cover advanced wars: days of ruin. In my opinion it's the most well-balanced title of the series.
Less nostalgia (game wasn't as popular as the earlier games in the series) and less online support. (Advance Wars by Web is a combination of AW2 and Dual Strike, and is usually how people play online).
I am looking forward to your video about neo-tanks. How I mostly use them is as a pushing tool. When I'm in the lead I use them to keep applying pressure. Since they can often one-shot units that medium tanks can't and also their extra mobility and supplies means they can keep on pushing for much longer. When you want to keep applying pressure the low mobility of the medium tank can be quite a hinderance and not finishing off one or two units can mean the difference in halting your momentum. I am a Colin main so I usually make medium tanks to grind as I build up my fortune and when I have build it up I switch to neo-tanks for the big push.
one thing I would like to point out is that in Day of Ruin 2 tanks / 2 merchs can easily cripple a medium tank no problem because tanks and merchs got firepower buff and tanks will always strike first with more movement range while merchs are even cheaper with 2k5 fund. However, they also reduced the cost of medium tank to 12k to balance, so that's nice
MD tanks firepower/defense got nerfed. Not tanks got a buff. MD tanks only cost 12k in DoR. Which is good because the difference between a md tank and tank in the first 3 games is just too big. Now you can defeat a md tank using your own tanks reliably.
as far as I can tell, you can still trade ok with 3 tanks vs 1 Wartank but not reccommmended. And because wartank only has 4 movement points and get hard countered by anti-tank, it has worse value than medium tank from older games for the same 16k. It's better to spend on 2 tanks + 1 infantry than 1 war tank imo.
DoR Medium tanks changed positions a lot. They had a huge cost reduction but a slash to their firepower and armor. The War Tank fills more of the original Medium Tank role.
I often counter the Md Tank with B.Copter and they take little damage from Md Tank (Forcing Md Tank to use MG which is weaker than normal), while they can chip few amount of hp to Md Tank
10:24 again this is why I don't like AWBW. In AW2, Jess had the edge here by not risking things to the RNG gods with a 10 HP Medium tank or 9 HP Neotank trying to remove a blocking unit on plains. AW2 had just the perfect balance. The subtle difference between roads and plains forces more strategic thinking. Also
for wallbreak purpose, I would prefer neotank that do around 20-25% more flat/raw dmg. most wall will avoid road and neotank is able to oneshot unit on plain. and with com tower neotank oneshot a lot of light unit even on forest. Another thing with md tank vs neotank, they start to become weak offensively when neotank start to become the central unit of the game (very lategame or High Fund match aka 2K gold per property).
The best thing about medium tanks is that they are worth about 2,5 normal tanks but still only take up 1 square of space. So when you have a big economy they allow you to concentrate your resources into a much smaller area to push much harder. I actually think Colin uses medium tanks better than Jess though. Medium tanks brought down in price and payed for by gold rush can be a mainstay and for colin defense is key. I am a Colin main and my main strategy is always defense, defense, defense. Gold rush is a relative increase so the bigger your wealth is the stronger it becomes. So focus exclusively on defense and actually don't spend your first 2 or 3 gold rushes. Instead pocket the money for the next gold rush. That way by the 5th you usually have almost 50.000 which means 25.000 just like that. I usually pocket half of that and keep it up. By the time my fortune reaches over 100.000 I just build a flood of neo-tanks backed by rockets and bombers and steamroll the enemy. Colin's units have reduced firepower but not reduced defense so the medium tank is perfect for him. It's still strong enough to disable any tank it shoots at and it's very hard to quickly get rid off when on a property or forest.
Md tank are mostly there to ward off regular tank, neotank is there to oneshot light unit (and beat Md tank). Also Colin is broken so only he and hachi can spam expensive unit easily, it doesn’t truly count xD
Random question, Mangs. What's your opinion on the Unit Merge? Ie, bringing the 2HP and 5HP tanks together to build a 7HP one? I've learned a lot from your series of videos, but I don't think I've ever seen you use that utility *ever*. Is it just always better to have that extra position blocker as opposed to guaranteeing a kill?
Not Mangs, but joining isn't usually a good idea. More bodies on the field is usually better. A 1hp infantry can still be a meatshield, climb a mountain to give you +3 vision, hide in a forest to trap enemies, etc. Forgoing all those options to give +1 hp to another infantry is not a good move unless it will help that infantry cap a property 1 turn sooner or something like that (even then, it might be better used as a shield for the capping infantry). Also if the opponent wants to get rid of that 1hp infantry they have to dedicate a unit's entire turn to kill it. It also depends on the unit you're joining. Joining a 3hp tank to a 7hp on on the front lines might be a good idea to top it off so it has more defense as a 3hp tank is close to useless and probably isnt worth healing. Joining transport units is obviously a terrible idea. Notice I used a lot of phrases like 'usually' and 'might be' because it depends on the situation, but as a good rule of thumb I would make sure you have a very good reason to join units and never do it by reflex.
Medium Tonks. Orange Star MT is the MBT Abrams. Blue Moon is the IS. Green Earth is a frankenstein abomination ugly-ass combination of Char B and Sturm Tiger... Yellow Comet is KV-2.
Nice analysis video as always. I was wondering about your thoughts on B copter vs Md tank before I saw this video. I remember being disappointed that they barely do anything to them and thought it was a waste trying to build copters to counter md tanks. Glad to hear the DS units are going to get covered!
One of the units that scared me as a kid, resulting in me losing all confidence unless I had an overwhelming number of them. The effectiveness of medium tanks was one of my primary meter sticks for judging a CO's usefulness. Anyone who couldn't perform excellently with them was written off as bad. I was not very good.
I played against someone who got out an Unexpected early med tank a couple months ago. Thought i was doomed, but i remembered Mangs advice about countering with 2 artillery and destroying his scouts. Absolutely destroyed my opponent.
@@monsterchief117 neo is faster, it will hit one first cripling it and the other will not be able to take it on its own, as the tank is also faster it will sleep the cripled one
@@luisss3929 Neos can't one hit Md Tanks. Putting your neo in range of another Md tank is also a bad idea. You're spending 22000 on something that isn't even killing units. A neo and a few tanks are 36000-41000 just to deal with something that is 32000 lol You can just buy your own md tank or arty if you don't have the funds.
@@monsterchief117 neos don't need to one hit, a first strike just gets you a crippled medium that can be defeated by a tank, the movement penalty secures first strikes. Using the same cheaper united logic an artillery and a tank (or artillery and two infantery ) can deal with a medium.
One strategy I’ve done is overwhelm using regular tanks rockets and artillery in fog of war, I was playing the sensei mission in advance wars 2 the original and I won using swarm tactics and using artillery and missiles while capturing and securing airfields and bases with transport copters and infantry and using his ability to use infantry and guard my capital and cities while using the other 3 units to destroy the cannons and stop the black hole offensive
It should cost either 13K or has really bad defense that tank can do like 75% dmg agaisnt them. Being an Invisible unit mean that the enemy need one more unit to scout them so stealth unit are extremely strong defensively without a cheaper hard counter
And id consider it pretty hillarious in a fog of war match when you build minimum amount of tanks and just save up to directly tech to medium tonks with an AA to acompany it also to note that the true dream scenario is to nearly one shot a neotonk with a medum tonk as a Kindle with the over a property bonus
I've always been fond of tech skipping. In 1I tended to just not build light tanks and instead rushed MDs. In 2 and DS I main Colin so I almost never build them, and just spam infantry until I can go neo. I usually favor fighting at a disadvantage until I can spring something my opponent isn't really in a position to be able to respond.
hey mangs will you do the advanced wars 1+2 Reboot camp Campaign even if you just finish Advanced wars 2 Hard Campaign ? Can you do the Stealth from DS next ?
Lack of numbers. Since blocking your enemy is a big thing in the game against other players, not building something is one less thing to threaten or block an enemy with in a game
Also doesnt the MD Tank and Neo Tank share the same defense ratings? So if you're building an MD tank or Neo for defensive purposes like sitting on a base, youd save money with the MD Tank. The only difference would be a stronger counter attack from the Neo. Yet the Neo is $7,000 more expensive for the slight counter attack increase.
I wish there was a mechanic where for vechiles combat effectiveness depends on their facing. Attacking from the side or rear will do greater damage than from the front.
I have a tactic i have used a little in multiplayer, but i think it is a pretty weak opener. The basis of the tactic is to build early game infantry, and do normal capping. Then you dont open tank or recon, but save a turn money whilst building infantry. So then you build medium tank. In theory it counters any other opener, and you Just have to stay alive for a couple of turns and the take the beating on your infantry. I dont think it is a to good opener but it works for throwing off your opponent :)
@@alecciarosewater7438 yeah i dont play it in a more serious match, and it is more something i do in a "meme" match where i dont care about propperly winning every single one. But if i play against anyone i know or in leauge matches, then it gets clutch real quick. (i am pretty bad at advance war so in short: it is a meme opener never ment to be used in a serious match. It is only useful against opponents Who dont play grit or leans towards indirects.)
I'm having trouble seeing how this opener is useful. If the opponent takes out your infantry, your medium tank can't see anything. If your opponent builds an artillery, your medium tank is zoned out.
@@stevengu1253 ok just to clarify: i never use the opener seriously. I would usually go for a tank based opener with a continual stream of infantry, and throwing in a couple of battlecopters depending on the map. I Just pointed out a weird method i used a couple of times, due to the "meta" being very tank centric. But i agree that in most sircumstances it is pretty useless XD
@@jffj1425 Yeah, the meta is tank-centric. But this is why I feel Battle Copters make more sense. Like, it's not easy to shut down those Copters when they can move and dart around so fast. You move in and strike, then move away.
Medium tank is kind of a misleading name especially in AW 1 and 2. A more appropriate name would be heavy tank. The megatank in dual strike also is such a niche unit that it doesn't really count. I do like what they did in DOR with making the megatank so much cheaper but also making it appropriately weaker. That way you have a light tank, a medium tank and a heavy tank. with that said I sometimes don't really like the sense of AW 1+2 reboot. I would much rather have a new AW game that build off of DOR. Maybe with a slightly lighter tone but try balancing it further. Maybe make AT a little easier to deal with and make bikes cost 3,5k instead of 2,5k, they should be made stronger too but it still would be a nerf since you can't spam them as easily.
In the 4 tanks vs 1 MD tank scinerio you only lost 11,900 funds. So its honestly a pretty good trade. Though ofc getting into that scinerior will almost never happen.
The Md Tank is a frustratingly well balanced unit. When you're losing to them, it feels so powerful. But when you're using them recklessly, it feels so vulnerable
It's 5 movement and only 50 fuel hurt a lot in mobility, better use altirelly, tank, infantry tactics or neotank if available
@@richard35791 that or use Sensei and bypass all of those complicated strategies
@@richard35791 I have to disagree on some points, I almost never have problems with the md tanks fuel, and a lot of times you won’t be able to produce neotanks every turn, probably because competitive AW maps are designed around it, and md tanks are also better then neotanks in the sense that you can send them at rockets too take them down more cost effectively then neotanks, while their defensive power is almost the same
@@art-games6230Neotanks really should be a tad stronger to fill the niche between Wartank and MD.
@@123Pizazz i think that their niche is in the manoeuvre part, no other unit with that much firepower has a move of 6. It will be basically your only option against heavy threats if you have a manoeuvre army, and you do need those armies when fighting someone like grit
I really appreciate that even after all these years of playing Advance Wars, Mangs is willing to say that he doesn't know everything, and in fact, he's been using these wrong for awhile. Much respect for that Mangs.
Humility is such a wonderful trait these days.
I accidentally read that as I really don’t appreciate Mangs
I recently went through a similar humbling experience when I got into the competitive scene for a more obscure puzzle game. I thought nobody else really played and so I must be the best lol. Turns out I wasn't even above average once I finally found the PVP scene. It's the same for me with Advance Wars! I never thought I would be great, but I thought I could at least hold my own. Turns out, nope! I don't know the first thing! Lol
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You can just save funds to tech up even if your income isn’t high enough. Waiting until you have 18-20k income to tech up is too slow. Don’t build a Med Tank if it’ll leave your bases empty, but save for one if it’ll give you an advantage against, for example, 3 tanks.
Egg also said that Neos hard counter Middies - maybe out of fog, but in fog they're definitely a soft counter. A first strike on a Neo wins you the cost battle.
Good point.
I like to liken it to a tactic in Counter Strike ('eco round') where you deliberately underbuy on weapons and equipment for one round to save up and make a big push in the next one.
In AW the principle is the same, though instead of trading away a round point you instead trade a little bit of momentum since you spent less on units for a day.
Honestly if I wanted a Medium tank for some reason and I couldn't afford one immediately, I'd go Mech + Mech + Mech 70% of the time, sometimes Mech + Recon + Infantry, and on very rare occasions Mech + Mech + Infantry. More often, I'm building stuff like tanks and battlecoptors and chuck in a Medium tank occationally when I'm at the 19K income mark (as in I accidentally had the money instead of deliberately saving for one). If both sides are in the 13K income range and the other guy rolled out a Medium tank, odds are high I have rule over everywhere in the map except for where that thing is since my regular tanks are running amock. I've actually been able to get first strikes with Mechs (as in the slowest unit in the game) on people who make a Medium tank this early, although this might be more because people who build one tank and then save up to go straight to Mediums might actually be weaker players than me and not because Mechs are a good counter to Medium tanks. Mechs do not counter Medium tanks well. If a medium tanks is 2 or 3 tiles away from a base and blocked by a friendly unit that is expendable (an infantry or perhaps a 3 HP unit like a tank), then a Mech becomes a good counter since he'll either kill the roadblock and then your Mech walks forward and takes his shot on your turn or he'll go around and trap himself on the Mech. A Mech's cost is the 3000G plus the opportunity cost of the time to get into position, which in this case is nothing. Infantry + Infantry + Infantry is almost always the wrong move when you're saving up for a medium and the other guy has at least 3 tanks in the middle of the map... which is ironic since early on infantry + infantry + infantry is the right way to go.
True you can save for one but still need ~18k to reliably build 1 every day
Mangs:Talks about how bad it is to have units facing the wrong way in a previous video.
Also Mangs:Has Green Earth units facing the wrong way
No what he said when both army's looking on the same direction because of this colour blindness
It just proove MTanks have no vision
This definitely tickled my autism whenever it happened as a kid. It's such a little thing to have units face left/right depending on where they're attacking or which way they moved, you'd think a romhack would do it or at least AWBW.
9:04
"You will never get to surround a Md. Tank with Mechs" ~ Mangs before getting a Md. Tank surrounded by Mechs in a future stream
Screencap this and send it to Mangs WHEN it happens
Itll be a samy or adder during their super power.
I've actually seen Medium Tanks get attacked by 3 Mechs on the same turn without Sami or Adder's power on AWBW. It happens multiple times, but I had to watch a lot. It seems to only happen after turn 50 and it doesn't happen often. I guess if the game drags on that long without either side getting the deceive edge, someone figures "hey, the tanks I'm sending to the front sometimes have to wait" and it always happens in fog of war. I'm still waiting for someone to actually get completely surrounded by Mechs. Well, if people almost surround Medium Tanks with Kanbei, Jess (With Mechs?), Andy, Drake, Adder, and Sami without a power turn, maybe someone somewhere pulled off that completely surrounding one.
With sami's or adder's super power it's not even that strange, considering then they have almost the same mobility as medium tanks. you just need a lot of them in one place (i.e. mountainous choke point) and an MD tank that rolls into the trap.
AW1: "'Medium?' Medium between what? It's the biggest land unit."
AW2: "It's between the tank and the neotank? Why is it slower than the bigger neotank?"
AWDS: "Ah, between the tank and the megatank. Wait, the megatank is a new invention, how did they know the medium tank would be medium?"
The neo tank is also a new invention. Also. Dont think just because a tank is bigger its slower. The tiger 1 was faster than a lot of its contempreries. And the abrams today is EXTREMLY fast.
'Medium Tank' is mostly an artefact name at this point, in the original Famicom Wars (I think) they actually WERE the medium tank compared to light tanks and heavy tanks. Then heavy tanks got cut for Advance Wars and for some reason light tanks were renamed just Tanks while Medium Tanks stayed the same.
IMO they should have kept the Light Tank name and renamed Medium Tanks to Main Battle Tanks or something to that effect, that would have been closer to what a modern armoured military loadout looks like.
In DOR it's called the heavy tank which is much more appropriate I feel.
Perhaps in their history they once had a "heavy tank" unit that was stronger and slower than an MD tank and is obsolete by AW1.
@@robertharris6092 jet fuel on Abrams go ZOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!
1:27 ''in order to comfortably build a mega tank"
Mangs never change.
Nell in the thumbnail: 11hp
Me: i sense a great disturbance in the force
Plot twist, this tank has psychic powers.
Medium Tanks are my favourite units for their bulky appearance and power! I also like the strategic aspect of when you should deploy them during a match.
Med Tanks are basically the bodyguards of the game... they either defend your base, or they can defend your attack force that without it are a bit frail to deal with opposition...
Gotta love Green Earth’s design in Md tanks.
I think the purpoise of Md Tanks is more a defensive roll to deal with big tank concentrations and as front shields for offenives, although they won't work on their own, they need to be integrated into a bigger army.
You spelled porpoise wrong.
@@Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishist you mean perprose?
Also known as "Mangs confuses Md.Tanks, Neotanks and Megatanks for 15 minutes"
I really look forward to these unit review videos and random online matches. Mangs has a passionate way of speaking that brings real entertainment to his videos. Thank you!
I think it is worth mentioning that if you see Md Tank, you don't panic buy a neo tank. Just build arty or a MD tank of your own. It's a noob trap to go for the neo as an immediate response because it is very easy for 2 MD tanks to shut down a neo. If you're struggling against a Md tank, it is very likely that you are over extending as well and need to pull back.
Video idea: CO analysis. Looking at various COs and determining match ups, proper times to use COP vs SCOP, maps they tend to excel at, etc.
Deejus already did that
Jess has a top tier theme
It has been one minute and 30 seconds into the video and I’ve already heard mangs refer to the tank as a NeoTank and a MegaTank. Which one is it!?
Neotanks are the ball that have spider legs and a big hole for cannon
Megatanks are the building size block of steel with 3 cannons big enough to fit 3 people inside. It's also known as the meme tank
Md tanks are interesting because they don't really do anything new compared to previous units, no flying, no supplying, no high vision, or ranged attacks, so when deciding whether you should make one it comes down to "when do I want to spend on this rather than a regular tank?" Low movement and low vision are less important on defense so I believe they are easier to use defensively. Used offensively it's more of a long-term investment like a rocket or something, like your md tank may or may not reach the situation it was hoping for when it finally reaches the area you sent it to several turns ago.
I think in practice, they do do something different. They displace the environment, basically put pressure on the opponent make him either raise the stakes to deal with your medium tank with one of his own, or try blocking, evasive or luring procedures to deal with the tank. It's a way of throwing a wrench in his plans
They do do something different, they softcounter every unit before it except for battlecopters and artillery, and those can be safely avoided with good troop placement and antiair.
I always somewhat disliked medium tanks due to campaign. They tended to get stuck in forest patches, failed to get into chokes before eating artillery or something and often didn't secure ohkos necessary to breach fortified lines. I tended to just save for neos who could keep up with the front line better. Those large terrain blobs and heavily fortified central chokes are less of a feature of competitive maps though.
I do find it interesting that they significantly reduced medium tank prices in DoR, but also cut back the power and armor a fair bit making it more of a true middle ground tank to the heavier war tank. Something that does still have a strong advantage 1v1 vs a tank, but which isn't invalidating if outnumbered.
I do favor Neotanks for distant bases or breaking lines when I have a ton of money. Though sometimes, it helps to have that Medium Tank+Artillery that you can buy for the same cost of a Neotank. Or if you have the bases, a Medium tank, APC, and infantry.
The competitive metagame has really substantially overvalued tanks in general, and has massively undervalued higher tech units and even ranged units. This is largely because vision is not priced into the value of a unit, and fog generally favors a higher unit count. Add in greatly limited turns thing and a lack of chokepoints means most strategies simply don't have the time to scale up and work. Grit for example is one of the most pound for pound efficient CO's in the game when there are ample chokepoints, but in the wide open maps of AWBW his strategies just break.
@@davidowen1506 I am actually quite curious how the AWBW map pool ended up coming about. I never really paid competitive AW attention before, but their maps are quite different from like the game's premade pvp maps.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa Its a very small community that made up their own minds about what constituted fun and competitive. At any given time, there are around 800-1000 players on the ranked ladder (Depending on activity).
On said ladder take what Mangs says with a very heavy dose of skepticism as his main account Mangs1337 has a very poor MMR of sub-900. For perspective you start with a MMR of around 800, and he is barely going even at his current skill level and this is despite having played nearly 250 competitive games and has some pretty sketchy losses, including losing to sub 800 players with less than 50 games of experience.
@@davidowen1506 Huh, sounds a bit like the smogon community for pokemon. It also kind of brewed it's own rules set for their own competitive environment. Well, AW is not very balanced, so I guess I can see why it might be necessary.
Always wondered why Mid-tanks where called that in the original AW. It's medium so that means something should be bigger. Really happy when Neotanks came in.
It seems to be an artifact name from the older Famicom War games. There, regular tanks were known as Light Tanks and there was the Heavy Tank for being above the Medium Tank. AW1 removed Heavy Tanks and changed Light Tanks into just Tanks.
It's also realistic. Heavy tanks fell out of vogue, and now medium tanks are the main battle tanks.
So that's why Colin is so good because of is increased income he can tech up faster then other commander's. So with Colin you can afford to rush out stronger units to compensate for his lower fire power.
If your opponent is hachi then colin would struggle allot against him.
@@denguefevah2727 most co would struggle against hachi 1 vs 1
The question I came here to get answered: How good are Md Tanks?
The question I left with: How did that Battleship get in that 1x1 bathtub square anyway? ._.
4:56 Correction: Every CO can do this except for a CO that have a default firepower decrease on their vehicle units. That is, if you're playing Colin with CO Powers on, you can't do this. 9:21 Medium tanks are powerful, but they can still be chipped by Battle Copters and hidden artillery! Make sure you have the right supports backing it up.
He did mention the firepower decrease offhand but yeah, you're right, it's best to emphasise that with Colin, Grit, and others I'm forgetting.
I'm a new player, still working through the campaign on 1+2 Re-Boot Camp and learning the basic strategies. In the first battle against Kanbei, I lost literally every unit except my medium tank. But I got everything else crippled in that time, and that medium tank was still at max.
I won that battle. And the bailout that medium tank got me has earned the unit my undying adoration. Love this thing.
While not as flashy as her exotic cousin, Med-Chan is still a force to be reckoned with and it will take a lot more for the bread and butter tank girl to take on the mommy milker.
Thicc waifu
Altirelly be like : am I a joke to you?
Keep this series going mangs! Can’t wait for the stealth fighter and black boat
Honestly, i rarely build these. I find myself more often than not just spaming Tanks or saving up for a Neotank instead.
The overworld sprite of Md Tanks is my favorite out of the rest of the units.
I play Jess most and I love Med. Tanks, they’re my favorite!
I have been binge watching your videos lately. Can't wait for the reboot on Switch. Actually dug out my old GBA just to play again as I got tired of waiting for it to release.
Would love to play you sometime online.
Having watched this series from the beginning, it is so nice how you have improved its quality, showcases are more dynamic and maps are better organized (ignoring the facing direction this time)
Also, thanks for giving more quotes to cite out of context 😅 just kidding ✌🏼
So hype! Yes! Unit analysis let’s go!! 💯✊🏾
I can’t wait for the neotank review again
9:03, I'd argue Mechs are a soft counter to Medium tanks. They're not a very good counter since they are too slow. However, a Medium tank is often kind of blind after you take out Recons (which happens often), so one vs 1 with the Mech striking first can happen despite the Medium tank being faster. Does that accomplish much? Well, no not really. Although it is cost-effective, the Mech player has a silent opportunity cost in getting the Mech to move far from his base, so probably not. How about 4 Mechs against a Medium tank? Well that works wonders, but Mechs are too slow to have that happen much. I've seen that maybe three times against humans ever. There are two reasons mechs are an effective soft counter. One is simply acting as a roadblock so the Medium tank is distracted and maybe you can strike elsewhere perhaps slipping a Recon behind his lines, although infantry are faster and therefore better as roadblocks. the other is that while 4 Mechs vs a medium tank almost never happens, you can get something almost as good. As I described in the Mech video (go see Mang's Mech video, it's a good watch), often times you'll see a Medium tank on the road in range of two Mechs and a tank (the tank is easier since it moves faster). Depending on the terrain, this can be an excellent trade. If you can first strike with a Mech from a city (even an enemy city) it will get the 3-star protection of the city from the medium tank's strongest attack. The next Mech can take more bite out of the Medium tank, and if your tank can attack from even plains, by the time the medium tank makes its counterattack, it will be weak enough your damage suffered is minimal. I've also had battlecoptor + Mech + Tank gang up on medium tanks before. This obviously works best when the other side is approaching your units than the other way around.
Hey, new viewer. I was just wondering why most advanced wars channels seem to only rarely cover advanced wars: days of ruin. In my opinion it's the most well-balanced title of the series.
Less nostalgia (game wasn't as popular as the earlier games in the series) and less online support. (Advance Wars by Web is a combination of AW2 and Dual Strike, and is usually how people play online).
we did it bois, we finally got a unit with 11 hp
I am looking forward to your video about neo-tanks. How I mostly use them is as a pushing tool. When I'm in the lead I use them to keep applying pressure. Since they can often one-shot units that medium tanks can't and also their extra mobility and supplies means they can keep on pushing for much longer. When you want to keep applying pressure the low mobility of the medium tank can be quite a hinderance and not finishing off one or two units can mean the difference in halting your momentum.
I am a Colin main so I usually make medium tanks to grind as I build up my fortune and when I have build it up I switch to neo-tanks for the big push.
Advanced Wars Unit Analysis: Mang's Infantry!
Biggest tank of the match right there
Я очень плохо знаю английский, но все равно обожаю твои видео. Как говорят у меня на родине - дай бог тебе здоровья!
can't wait for Days of Ruin unit Analysis, cause i want to know how to deal with Anti-Tanks
best thing i figured out was to use Rockets against them
A battleship in a lake! lol
"How did it get there?"
one thing I would like to point out is that in Day of Ruin 2 tanks / 2 merchs can easily cripple a medium tank no problem because tanks and merchs got firepower buff and tanks will always strike first with more movement range while merchs are even cheaper with 2k5 fund. However, they also reduced the cost of medium tank to 12k to balance, so that's nice
And if you had 16,000 to spend you would build a wartank rather then a md tank. DoR has a very different balance for its three tank tiers
MD tanks firepower/defense got nerfed. Not tanks got a buff. MD tanks only cost 12k in DoR. Which is good because the difference between a md tank and tank in the first 3 games is just too big. Now you can defeat a md tank using your own tanks reliably.
as far as I can tell, you can still trade ok with 3 tanks vs 1 Wartank but not reccommmended. And because wartank only has 4 movement points and get hard countered by anti-tank, it has worse value than medium tank from older games for the same 16k. It's better to spend on 2 tanks + 1 infantry than 1 war tank imo.
DoR Medium tanks changed positions a lot. They had a huge cost reduction but a slash to their firepower and armor. The War Tank fills more of the original Medium Tank role.
you called it a neo tank (0:35) and a mega tank (1:27) in the first 2 mins 😑
You just KNOW what he says are 100% correct after hearing that!
9:57
There’s always a bigger fish
I barely use them. Whenever financial situation allows I go for Neotank instead. It's so much faster.
9:00
In before Mangs gets a medium tank surrounded by most likely Adder or Sami mechs on a future stream.
I often counter the Md Tank with B.Copter and they take little damage from Md Tank (Forcing Md Tank to use MG which is weaker than normal), while they can chip few amount of hp to Md Tank
10:24 again this is why I don't like AWBW. In AW2, Jess had the edge here by not risking things to the RNG gods with a 10 HP Medium tank or 9 HP Neotank trying to remove a blocking unit on plains. AW2 had just the perfect balance. The subtle difference between roads and plains forces more strategic thinking. Also
A lot of maps don't have com towers.
1:27 mega tank?
Can't wait for the Carrier video!
for wallbreak purpose, I would prefer neotank that do around 20-25% more flat/raw dmg. most wall will avoid road and neotank is able to oneshot unit on plain. and with com tower neotank oneshot a lot of light unit even on forest.
Another thing with md tank vs neotank, they start to become weak offensively when neotank start to become the central unit of the game (very lategame or High Fund match aka 2K gold per property).
It is surprising how much of a difference that _little_ bit of extra damage makes. Lets neotanks nab a lot of one-shots that medium tanks can't.
The best thing about medium tanks is that they are worth about 2,5 normal tanks but still only take up 1 square of space. So when you have a big economy they allow you to concentrate your resources into a much smaller area to push much harder. I actually think Colin uses medium tanks better than Jess though. Medium tanks brought down in price and payed for by gold rush can be a mainstay and for colin defense is key.
I am a Colin main and my main strategy is always defense, defense, defense. Gold rush is a relative increase so the bigger your wealth is the stronger it becomes. So focus exclusively on defense and actually don't spend your first 2 or 3 gold rushes. Instead pocket the money for the next gold rush. That way by the 5th you usually have almost 50.000 which means 25.000 just like that. I usually pocket half of that and keep it up. By the time my fortune reaches over 100.000 I just build a flood of neo-tanks backed by rockets and bombers and steamroll the enemy. Colin's units have reduced firepower but not reduced defense so the medium tank is perfect for him. It's still strong enough to disable any tank it shoots at and it's very hard to quickly get rid off when on a property or forest.
Md tank are mostly there to ward off regular tank, neotank is there to oneshot light unit (and beat Md tank).
Also Colin is broken so only he and hachi can spam expensive unit easily, it doesn’t truly count xD
*TIME FOR FLAK-CANNONS BOOOOIIII*
Oh, I mean, _Anti-Air._ That hasn't been done yet, right?
Random question, Mangs.
What's your opinion on the Unit Merge? Ie, bringing the 2HP and 5HP tanks together to build a 7HP one?
I've learned a lot from your series of videos, but I don't think I've ever seen you use that utility *ever*. Is it just always better to have that extra position blocker as opposed to guaranteeing a kill?
Not Mangs, but joining isn't usually a good idea. More bodies on the field is usually better. A 1hp infantry can still be a meatshield, climb a mountain to give you +3 vision, hide in a forest to trap enemies, etc. Forgoing all those options to give +1 hp to another infantry is not a good move unless it will help that infantry cap a property 1 turn sooner or something like that (even then, it might be better used as a shield for the capping infantry). Also if the opponent wants to get rid of that 1hp infantry they have to dedicate a unit's entire turn to kill it.
It also depends on the unit you're joining. Joining a 3hp tank to a 7hp on on the front lines might be a good idea to top it off so it has more defense as a 3hp tank is close to useless and probably isnt worth healing. Joining transport units is obviously a terrible idea.
Notice I used a lot of phrases like 'usually' and 'might be' because it depends on the situation, but as a good rule of thumb I would make sure you have a very good reason to join units and never do it by reflex.
Perfect, was just looking for a counter to Md Tanks.
Sweet! Won my game because I threw my Neotanks at his Md Tanks. Talk about speed power!
kanbei struggles to buy one in low funds
Medium Tonks.
Orange Star MT is the MBT Abrams.
Blue Moon is the IS.
Green Earth is a frankenstein abomination ugly-ass combination of Char B and Sturm Tiger...
Yellow Comet is KV-2.
So that’s what “Teching up” means. I thought it just meant going up a unit tier(infantry to mech, mech to tank)
the -real- heavy hitter of advance wars
Has Mangs already done the 2nd row of Fanmade CO entries?
Nice analysis video as always. I was wondering about your thoughts on B copter vs Md tank before I saw this video. I remember being disappointed that they barely do anything to them and thought it was a waste trying to build copters to counter md tanks. Glad to hear the DS units are going to get covered!
My favorite thing about medium tanks is that sometimes you can beat Neo tanks if you have a high attack CO like Jess or Max.
Wait a minute, what's with the thumbnail?
One of the units that scared me as a kid, resulting in me losing all confidence unless I had an overwhelming number of them. The effectiveness of medium tanks was one of my primary meter sticks for judging a CO's usefulness. Anyone who couldn't perform excellently with them was written off as bad.
I was not very good.
I played against someone who got out an Unexpected early med tank a couple months ago. Thought i was doomed, but i remembered Mangs advice about countering with 2 artillery and destroying his scouts. Absolutely destroyed my opponent.
Still prefer neotank and regular tank for the maximum mobility fuel and ammo
You can build a medium tank and an artilery for the price of a neotank.
2 Md tanks can cripple or wipe out a neo tank and then those regular tanks are demoted to recon duty. Not worth it.
@@monsterchief117 neo is faster, it will hit one first cripling it and the other will not be able to take it on its own, as the tank is also faster it will sleep the cripled one
@@luisss3929 Neos can't one hit Md Tanks. Putting your neo in range of another Md tank is also a bad idea. You're spending 22000 on something that isn't even killing units. A neo and a few tanks are 36000-41000 just to deal with something that is 32000 lol You can just buy your own md tank or arty if you don't have the funds.
@@monsterchief117 neos don't need to one hit, a first strike just gets you a crippled medium that can be defeated by a tank, the movement penalty secures first strikes. Using the same cheaper united logic an artillery and a tank (or artillery and two infantery ) can deal with a medium.
Ah Medium Tanks, the original King of the Land. You know what unit is still king, the Carrier.
One strategy I’ve done is overwhelm using regular tanks rockets and artillery in fog of war, I was playing the sensei mission in advance wars 2 the original and I won using swarm tactics and using artillery and missiles while capturing and securing airfields and bases with transport copters and infantry and using his ability to use infantry and guard my capital and cities while using the other 3 units to destroy the cannons and stop the black hole offensive
I just realized the hp is the series number of the episode
I love Jess's theme
`2:30 I had the opposite problem when I played. I always built a Md. Tank or Neo the instant I could afford one.
We need a Md. Tank Senpai
Is it weird that in the first game, it was tank and Medium tank? If you only had 2 tanks, you would think they would be tank and large tank.
Supposedly in one of the European versions they are called Heavy Tank.
Good videos. I don't like encountering them lol
What are your thoughts on if they had a stealth tank that cost like 10k
outright broken even if it has the strength of a typical tank. The cost of the stealth tank should perhaps equal the coat of a MD tank
@@mr.shkrimtar2870 would be a cool addition to the game
It should cost either 13K or has really bad defense that tank can do like 75% dmg agaisnt them. Being an Invisible unit mean that the enemy need one more unit to scout them so stealth unit are extremely strong defensively without a cheaper hard counter
Only the CO Kane can build them.
Depends on what can target it when stealthed.
i love medium tank
Hello Mangs, i'm your fan from Brazil, and i have a sugestion, make a review about Field Commander, 2006 Sony's clone Advance Wars for PSP
And id consider it pretty hillarious in a fog of war match when you build minimum amount of tanks and just save up to directly tech to medium tonks with an AA to acompany it also to note that the true dream scenario is to nearly one shot a neotonk with a medum tonk as a Kindle with the over a property bonus
Also, what if the Md Tank in AWBW more like itself in DoR, they cost lesser (12 000) but weaker firepower
I've always been fond of tech skipping. In 1I tended to just not build light tanks and instead rushed MDs. In 2 and DS I main Colin so I almost never build them, and just spam infantry until I can go neo. I usually favor fighting at a disadvantage until I can spring something my opponent isn't really in a position to be able to respond.
Did you ever do Anti-Air? It's not on the playlist.
hey mangs will you do the advanced wars 1+2 Reboot camp Campaign even if you just finish Advanced wars 2 Hard Campaign ?
Can you do the Stealth from DS next ?
What exactly is the problem with not building something from one of your bases?
Lack of numbers. Since blocking your enemy is a big thing in the game against other players, not building something is one less thing to threaten or block an enemy with in a game
Also doesnt the MD Tank and Neo Tank share the same defense ratings? So if you're building an MD tank or Neo for defensive purposes like sitting on a base, youd save money with the MD Tank. The only difference would be a stronger counter attack from the Neo. Yet the Neo is $7,000 more expensive for the slight counter attack increase.
And the incresed movement for when you coujter attack on your turn.
The name is kinda not so indicative in Advance Wars 1, it's better called the heavy tank for that game only and the other "tank" as (light) tank.
whats tje theme at the end
BUT which is the coolest looking MD tank? I vote a tie between Green Earth or Yellow Comet
Yes. Yellow comet... the KV2. Blue moon IS3 is superior.
I honestly love Black Hole looks the most when it comes to medium tanks.
I wish there was a mechanic where for vechiles combat effectiveness depends on their facing. Attacking from the side or rear will do greater damage than from the front.
My favorite unit. Very powerful, but it's not as expensive as a Neo or Mega.
Very satisfying to gang up on a neo tank with Md tanks. Pretty much guaranteed win after that.
Haha overrated MD tanks is only useful with Colin, it's 5 movement and 50 fuel hurts a lot, altirelly infantry tactics goes brr
I have a tactic i have used a little in multiplayer, but i think it is a pretty weak opener. The basis of the tactic is to build early game infantry, and do normal capping. Then you dont open tank or recon, but save a turn money whilst building infantry. So then you build medium tank. In theory it counters any other opener, and you Just have to stay alive for a couple of turns and the take the beating on your infantry. I dont think it is a to good opener but it works for throwing off your opponent :)
A md tank opener can be countered by two artillery; the md cant attack one without getting hit by the other
@@alecciarosewater7438 yeah i dont play it in a more serious match, and it is more something i do in a "meme" match where i dont care about propperly winning every single one. But if i play against anyone i know or in leauge matches, then it gets clutch real quick. (i am pretty bad at advance war so in short: it is a meme opener never ment to be used in a serious match. It is only useful against opponents Who dont play grit or leans towards indirects.)
I'm having trouble seeing how this opener is useful. If the opponent takes out your infantry, your medium tank can't see anything. If your opponent builds an artillery, your medium tank is zoned out.
@@stevengu1253 ok just to clarify: i never use the opener seriously. I would usually go for a tank based opener with a continual stream of infantry, and throwing in a couple of battlecopters depending on the map. I Just pointed out a weird method i used a couple of times, due to the "meta" being very tank centric. But i agree that in most sircumstances it is pretty useless XD
@@jffj1425 Yeah, the meta is tank-centric. But this is why I feel Battle Copters make more sense. Like, it's not easy to shut down those Copters when they can move and dart around so fast. You move in and strike, then move away.
Kinda not buliding medium tanks much since I'm more into Neotanks.
Medium tank is kind of a misleading name especially in AW 1 and 2. A more appropriate name would be heavy tank. The megatank in dual strike also is such a niche unit that it doesn't really count. I do like what they did in DOR with making the megatank so much cheaper but also making it appropriately weaker. That way you have a light tank, a medium tank and a heavy tank.
with that said I sometimes don't really like the sense of AW 1+2 reboot. I would much rather have a new AW game that build off of DOR. Maybe with a slightly lighter tone but try balancing it further. Maybe make AT a little easier to deal with and make bikes cost 3,5k instead of 2,5k, they should be made stronger too but it still would be a nerf since you can't spam them as easily.
In the 4 tanks vs 1 MD tank scinerio you only lost 11,900 funds. So its honestly a pretty good trade. Though ofc getting into that scinerior will almost never happen.
where are the large tanks?
Neotanks. In AW1? They forget them i guess.
But are they worth it ?
I counter mediums with artillery and fodder because a single full str arty hit will allow easy tank or damaged arty shots to ruin it
Md Tanks a unit I feel should be renamed to heavy Tank and are basically Unrivaled in Land to Land combat (besides the Ball with a gun)
yoooooo i used to play this on an emulator all the time