Sometimes arguing with old people can be really, really infuriating and Even more when it's because a misconception like this because a lot of them have This weird thing that they are always right simply because they are older than you. I hope roomie chan's mom can understand what clickbait is
@@elektra8535 I mean, if I understand it correctly, it already exists... Did you never hear about what Project Melody used to do before she came to Vshoujo?
It is a moral standard not to be a whore. click baiting is bad but don’t try to justify having no moral standards and then complaining about other’s moral standards
@@beburs Well that derailed quickly. Never mind that neither masturbation nor talking about it makes anyone a whore, it's not your place to judge other people. If you think it's immoral - by your personal standards - don't do it. Don't like to hear someone talk about it, don't listen. It's that easy. Trust me, you'll enjoy life more if you live it how you want instead of trying to be everybody's darling.
@@beburs it's YOUR moral standard. I've got my own too, they just don't involve taking issue with services rendered between consenting adults or otherwise sticking my nose in what other people do with their own bodies and money
@@beburs ....And who are you calling as being a whore? What about the standard of not being a judgemental jackass instead thinking as if you have the right to be other people's moral police.
Ah, yes, indeed. Happens to everyone about everything anymore. I don't see this as any different than Ethan Klein telling people that they aren't allowed to not want their spouses to wear a bra to dinner. It's truly fantastic. People seem to think that, "Well, MY EXTREME is okay." No, nobody's extreme is okay, it's all ludicrous. Prime example: beburs 1904 21 hours ago "It is a moral standard not to be a whore. click baiting is bad but don’t try to justify having no moral standards and then complaining about other’s moral standards" What the hell is this person even saying? This isn't a conversation, it's an assertion based upon nothing. This is no different.
I get you man, even though it was an easily avoidable situation as although Roomie’s mum was concerned for (and or angry at) Mika, this was just an unfortunate misunderstanding since she didn’t know or look up the term. Google exists for a reason lol
I mean, she's not wrong, but also old people ignorance can be seriously, seriously infuriating. Not listening to explanation lead to fitnah (basically defamation), which is even bigger sin than masturbation.
Damn, this reminds me when my parents made me throw out my Yugioh cards when I was a kid. Reason being was that the local news said they had "demonic imagery" on them. Which really confused me because Christian art depicts demons every now and then.
That's just how older people in Indonesia or maybe Asia usually are. Don't worry guys, Mika's fine. She's just telling the story because it's funny. Like she said, Roomie's mom cares for her. Although that care can also be an annoyance sometimes.
The only thing that's _haram_ is Roomie's mom's mind. Why did she think like that? Guess it's impossible to convince Asian parents once they're set their minds on a thing xD
The inherent problem is that Mika's roomie's mom doesn't understand ad thinks that the ckip she saw is Mika's content as it is. She doesn't understand live streaming, like a lot of people she thinks Mika's a cam girl because cam girls have ben around since 1995 I guarantee you the woman didn't even listen to the clip, just saw the title, has no clue what click bait means and thinks everyone utters the truth. I'm pretty sure Mika is going to need to move and find a place where the roomie's mom is a bit more in the 21st century. Someone like Ollie's mom might well be worth it. Hell Ollie's mom is funny as hell and knows how to banter with her daughter.
some Indonesian elders tend to think about nearly everything by basing it to their understanding, and even worse, most of the time they won't even take any explanation.. this is due to the old teaching that older people must be respected AND OBEYED, because they think they have more experience as they live longer, which mean they have to be always right even thought they're not.. so yeah, it's troublesome to argue with them...
Its the most stressful thing to debate with old people in here, even my old neighbours that i told them they got scam, i said its not a crypto trading that can give you money without loses, its a scam and they dont believe it because they got the actual money from investing it $100 and in 1 month it became $200, and its got more complicated again to explain it to them on how to make them understand that the money is only to make you invest more. And eventually after that you cannot withdraw anymore and loses your money.
i think her roomie's mom could've understood that what click baiting does is pretty much what advertisements do in television, its half truth and half lies all for the views/money
Walked in halfway through the story just before the call and I was so confused lmao. Thank god there's a clip, tho it sucks that mika bot only has her own parents but her best friends parents to think about
Old people sometimes misunderstandings some word and explanation. I think Roomie's mom is misunderstand abt the concept of clipper. She thought mika is the one who's making or requesting the clip and title. Misunderstanding like this just hurting me, i hate it :'3
THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS TO WHY VTUBER IDENTITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET! ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BEING PUBLIC PERSONALITY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BEING VIRTUAL IDOLS!
I grew up in a family/culture that is pretty conservative when it comes to sex. A lot of the times they are projecting. Especially the overzealous the ones.
I see some people offering advice to be rude to someone that's like her roomie's mom, or people that just clearly don't understand the situation: ID is a place with 80+% muslims, and (at least it would seem) her roomie's mom cares for her. As a result, her roomie's mom is telling her not to sin and is warning her against it, but she just doesn't understand the exact situation. As Mika mentioned in the clip, the situation she was telling the story about turned out to be a misunderstanding, but either way she was warning her out of good faith towards her, not just because she's nosy or something. Now, yes, you can say that Mika should just ignore her, but that's obviously easier said than done here because it seems her roomie's mom actually checks out what Mika does on stream... ultimately, Mika's just going to have to have these conversations with her roomie's mom from time to time, and that's it. A good permanent resolution can only come with time and patience.
Why not just block her? Quick, easy and more than justified at this point. It's not her responsibility how Mika runs her own business. It's not even mika's mom, but her roomie's, so Mika wouldn't even burn any relevant bridges.
@@flagrus7901 well don't you hear she mentioned that she still need her roomie's mom to like her. It must be something deep behind their relationship. And sadly, in indo we can't just simply answering towards elders, it considered rude.
@@jondorthebrinkinator As an otaku and Indonesian, i can say that even among other degenerates, when you bring religion in the group chat (indonesian otaku community discord group for example), everything went south and they forget they are degenerate. Indonesian is overall sensitive to religious things, no matter what kind of hobby they have (kpopers, otaku, gamers, etc)
This one of the rare times when we see how conservative Indonesian society can get. Stark contrast to Mika's attitude. And this also one of the times when you see that all these damn neologisms we keep coming up with hamper communication instead of enabling it.
saw a clip from you in my recommendeds and suddenly realized that i havent been seeing your cilps in the notifs in months. hope you're doing ok pikapakapoko !!
As a muslim I just wanna say the roomie's mom behavior is haram here because mika clearly explained that she didn't do anything haram in that stream and that it was clickbait by the fans and the mom still didn't listen and accused her of something she didn't do. Idk if mika is muslim or not but either way I'm sorry she had to go through that shitty situation
My grandma is upset with me because i found it funny that i was explaining my grandma what time it would be on the clock in 12 hours. Because laughing at people is rude. Tbf i couldn't find words to explain that i found the situation funny, not her being slow on the uptake.
Its a general rule of thumb when you talk to elderly or peeps who missed out on the digital wave is to avoid using internet jargons, usually they're confused what it means and leads to more misunderstanding. no way to do it but to say it straight and as forward as you can, phonetically if you must.
The best way to deal with older people being this way is to just embrace what you are doing that they dislike. "This thing you are doing is wrong!" "Yeah well maybe it's wrong for you but not for me so I'll keep doing it. Thank you for letting me know your opinion. I respect it but I am adult capable of making my own life decisions." They'll be mad for a while but will eventually accept it and if they don't then they aren't really worth having in your life.
Yeah but Mika also has the fact she's in Indonesia, which can have some...strict viewpoints on things and can take what is "haram" seriously. Its not a full on theocracy but as the largest Muslim majority population center of the world, even if at times they are kind of lenient on things, it can flip like a switch. So while she's also trying to make roomie's mom like her, she also needs to make it very clear to her she isn't actually doing "adult" cam stuff and the clickbait is just because the clip is likely taking stuff out of context.
You would have a point if Mika wasn't dependent on Roomie's mom. Also, Masturbation is haram because how do you masturbate without thinking lewd things? That's zinah of the mind.
all you do with old people who don't understand is just agree with them....then you can just keep doing whatever it is....99% of the time...they won't even realize
yeah when old people are wrong. They won't admit it. They'll double down. Just bow and scrape and apoligise so they go away. And just laugh about it. They often realise they're wrong later and privately get very embarrassed. And at the time you're lying through your teeth that you understand and will listen to what they say. But later they realise you were just trying to help them save face.
nah brother, you gonna come here telling me I'm committing haram and that I must tell my viewers not to do that which I am not telling them to do I'd go straight up reverse, like I'm asking melody to hook me up with them 3d shits, I'm setting an OF for like a week or 2 and I would just set it up in both English and my language and I'd be like "you inspired me to do this [person] " just full throttle
Mika sounds like she might be way too patient with people and take way too much crap from them. The thing is, it really doesn't matter whether the roommate's mom is right or wrong about the particular facts. It is not okay for the roommate's mom to get on her case in the first place, regardless. Her roommate's mom? Seriously? WTF? That woman should just mind her own business. She is not even owed an explanation or argument about clickbait or whatever, she should just be told to back off.
I guess the misunderstanding came from a lack of understanding of internet culture. Half of the things here are ironic or sarcastic, which can be hard to tell when you are unable to distinguish.
Sometimes i worry about Mika, staying in indonesia with their tightening Conservative laws and her being ... well... Mika, makes it actually dangerous to her life to stay. Being outspoken, non-religious, and queer... idk they've imprisoned and killed people over there for less. I wish she'd just get Some of the Ninji Canada girls to sponsor her so she can move there and apply for residency and citizenship. I dont want to wake up and read some terrible news she's been black bagged
BIG UFF... wouldn't even waste time to explain or say sorry to some old religious people who think that their moral compass is the norm and you are wrong if you don't have the same viewpoints.
Not gonna lie... I'm developing a MAJOR dislike of her roomie's mom. Seems incredibly nosey, prying, judgemental, etc.. Wish she would just remove her unsolicited "opinions" & criticisms from stuff that's not her damn business. 😒
It just a fiture that come from being an Indonesian since our society were largely still communal and traditional and it may seem infuriating to outsider but that just normal here
@@ero6056 Yeah, I figured it was likely a cultural thing... Doesn't make it okay though, to have someone just shoving their nose, & opinions, into her business at every opportunity... If it were her own mom, it'd still be bad, but at least a little tiny bit more understandable. Someone who's not even one of Mika's own friends or relatives though, absolutely has no right to judge or "direct" her 😕
@@alastorredgrave522 "not okay" if you are an outsider looking inside or growing up in different environment because most Indonesian people in nature are very active and social we love to talk to our friends and neighbors and we also tend to give them some warning or words of advice because we care for them and all of it were done not without any purpose because by being close to your friends and neighbors they more likely to help you in time of needed, your family became less likely to disrespect you and feel more inclined to help you in case you are in deep trouble or even make you less likely to be attacked or taken advantage by your enemies knowing your friends and family will be there backing you. Technically it's okay not to follow these tradition but in return the entire society will turn it's back against you, seeing you as outsider and even pointing fingers at you whenever something bad happened and that not even all of it
If I was her, I would say "I'm sorry, you are not my mother, so why are you scolding me like you are my mother?" I mean honestly, every parents has different way to teach their kids. if Mika parents didn't have any problem with her talking about masturbation, why does she need to care about someone's mother words?
One, as she said, she still needs her support (perhaps she helps to foot the bill for the apartment?) Two, it's Indonesia. A conservative religions country.
@@Mernom I'm indonesian, and if the person who scold me act like my parent but actually not my parent, I would be confuse as hell why she scold like I'm her child and act like I'm making a bad name to her family or something
I dislike religious people for the whole masturbating is a sin, sex before marriage is a sin, judging people is a sin...wait let's go back to that one. So religious people can "judge" sinners but isn't "judging" a sin?? Only God can judge not his people. The judgement you measure unto others will be measured unto you. Divorce should also be a sin, I've seen so many religious people be together got 40 years and get a divorce. I'm like if you been together that long than stay together and die together. Make the time worth it if you already been invested that long already.
Someone: I am part of a religion with restrictions. Me: I am not religious, so I am not subject to those restrictions. The someone: ACTUALLY YOU ARE BECAUSE I AM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. Me: Actually, science disproves most religions and barely supports some. The someone: (the bloodthirsty rant begins) As a sidenote, bar you overdoing it or being addicted, masturbation is physically a healthy thing and supports mental health by releasing endorphins and reducing your stress which helps with sleep and general mental well-being.... So yeah, though she needs to be good by her roomies parents for whatever reason, I do not. This message is brought to you by common sense. Do it if you want to, if you can't because your space daddy wouldn't want you to that's totally fine, just don't enforce it on me or others.
Yeah... I am sorry to say this, but I think Mika needs to move. It is simply impossible to make the older generation understand you. They will stick inside their own preconception and absolutely refuse anything that isn't aligned with their understanding. Her roomie's mother will keep doing this. Blaming Mika for anything, and will soon probably call her Dzalim or something like that. Absolutely thinking that Mika is wrong and she is right and she have absolute right to tell Mika off and force Mika to do it her way.
At some point it's perfectly valid to just block people like her. She's not her mother and it's in no way her business, especially since she has zero understanding what she's even trying to talk about. Or at the very least Mika could ask roomie to have a word with her first. This is seriously getting asinine
Also, masturbation is okay and this fact should be publicly promoted in all societies, including societies that are filled with crazy fundamentalists who believe otherwise.
Nope, in Islam it's still a sin. it's either Mika doing for content with no serious intentions, or she not Muslim (it's just her roommate's mom). And also someone who like minding other live like they part of it, is still consider common in here and it's so annoying even if they not related by blood (or even worse, stranger), and mostly they still someone who/was live in country side.
@@oyabruhh7104 I relate that last part of your comment. Like, mind your own business for god sake. If I don't ask for any advice, don't come like I need it. Your family is your business, my family is my business.
@@oyabruhh7104 Or she just doesn't take religion too seriously. There are plenty of christians and muslims who are very liberal when it comes to faith.
"What is your job Mika?"
"I film myself and people give me money"
Haha. Thats the best way to describe it. 😂
And that's how her grandparents thinks she do Only fans.
It was odd that Mika's own parents are more liberal than her host mom.
"I embarrass myself in front of a large audience so they throw coins at me."
I enjoyed how Mika's accent got thicker as the video went on.
Right? At first you wont notice, but when you watch longer into her Video it surfaces.
And it is a very pretty Accent.
Sometimes arguing with old people can be really, really infuriating and Even more when it's because a misconception like this because a lot of them have This weird thing that they are always right simply because they are older than you. I hope roomie chan's mom can understand what clickbait is
Btw, what roomie's mom thought clickbait means could be a interesting concept for a doujinshi or something like that
elektra puedo comprar una italika ?
@@elektra8535 I mean, if I understand it correctly, it already exists... Did you never hear about what Project Melody used to do before she came to Vshoujo?
this is so true on so many levels. It is especially the case with asian parents.
@@Mernom isn't she still doing her +18 content? Like she Even got a live2d model that can get naked
Mika's so pissed off that her accent got thicker lol
Ah yes, when society thinks your business is somehow their business and their opinion is somehow the moral standard.
It is a moral standard not to be a whore. click baiting is bad but don’t try to justify having no moral standards and then complaining about other’s moral standards
@@beburs Well that derailed quickly. Never mind that neither masturbation nor talking about it makes anyone a whore, it's not your place to judge other people. If you think it's immoral - by your personal standards - don't do it. Don't like to hear someone talk about it, don't listen. It's that easy. Trust me, you'll enjoy life more if you live it how you want instead of trying to be everybody's darling.
@@beburs it's YOUR moral standard.
I've got my own too, they just don't involve taking issue with services rendered between consenting adults or otherwise sticking my nose in what other people do with their own bodies and money
@@beburs ....And who are you calling as being a whore?
What about the standard of not being a judgemental jackass instead thinking as if you have the right to be other people's moral police.
Ah, yes, indeed. Happens to everyone about everything anymore. I don't see this as any different than Ethan Klein telling people that they aren't allowed to not want their spouses to wear a bra to dinner. It's truly fantastic. People seem to think that, "Well, MY EXTREME is okay." No, nobody's extreme is okay, it's all ludicrous.
Prime example:
beburs 1904
21 hours ago
"It is a moral standard not to be a whore. click baiting is bad but don’t try to justify having no moral standards and then complaining about other’s moral standards"
What the hell is this person even saying? This isn't a conversation, it's an assertion based upon nothing. This is no different.
I like how the more flustered Mika gets, the stronger her accent gets.
hahahahahaha, it's like arguing with a brick wall
I get you man, even though it was an easily avoidable situation as although Roomie’s mum was concerned for (and or angry at) Mika, this was just an unfortunate misunderstanding since she didn’t know or look up the term.
Google exists for a reason lol
Heard this term stonewalling?
use demo charge
This is such a certified Indonesian moment.
That one hella misunderstanding there
Everyday Mika living in a tight rope
I mean, she's not wrong, but also old people ignorance can be seriously, seriously infuriating.
Not listening to explanation lead to fitnah (basically defamation), which is even bigger sin than masturbation.
but if you tell them that.... oh boy.....
"fitnah (basically defamation)"
Keikaku means plan
Or another words, slander.
Ngl, that sin is truly worse than _zina_ (sex before marriage).
This hasn't got anything to do with that woman being old. It's only because of religion. blame pisslam for this kind of nonsense.
That call can only be described as a "Heard you were talking shit like I wouldn't find out"
Damn, this reminds me when my parents made me throw out my Yugioh cards when I was a kid. Reason being was that the local news said they had "demonic imagery" on them. Which really confused me because Christian art depicts demons every now and then.
Thats pretty funny because the cards were censored to remove religious symbols in the US (the TCG version).
I see someone else grew up in the Satanic panic era
it is funny that her most parasocial viewer is her roomate's mom
That's just how older people in Indonesia or maybe Asia usually are. Don't worry guys, Mika's fine. She's just telling the story because it's funny. Like she said, Roomie's mom cares for her. Although that care can also be an annoyance sometimes.
LMAO roomie's mom been on too many cam sites😂
The only thing that's _haram_ is Roomie's mom's mind. Why did she think like that?
Guess it's impossible to convince Asian parents once they're set their minds on a thing xD
The inherent problem is that Mika's roomie's mom doesn't understand ad thinks that the ckip she saw is Mika's content as it is. She doesn't understand live streaming, like a lot of people she thinks Mika's a cam girl because cam girls have ben around since 1995 I guarantee you the woman didn't even listen to the clip, just saw the title, has no clue what click bait means and thinks everyone utters the truth.
I'm pretty sure Mika is going to need to move and find a place where the roomie's mom is a bit more in the 21st century. Someone like Ollie's mom might well be worth it. Hell Ollie's mom is funny as hell and knows how to banter with her daughter.
Also, she's Indonesian. That country is VERY religious, and the conservative variant of religion at that.
some Indonesian elders tend to think about nearly everything by basing it to their understanding, and even worse, most of the time they won't even take any explanation..
this is due to the old teaching that older people must be respected AND OBEYED, because they think they have more experience as they live longer, which mean they have to be always right even thought they're not..
so yeah, it's troublesome to argue with them...
@@kaitoryujin8266 as an ASEAN I relate to this on so many levels lol
trust me, its impossible to argue with the last generation. They get pissed when you tell them facts and logic
Its the most stressful thing to debate with old people in here, even my old neighbours that i told them they got scam, i said its not a crypto trading that can give you money without loses, its a scam and they dont believe it because they got the actual money from investing it $100 and in 1 month it became $200, and its got more complicated again to explain it to them on how to make them understand that the money is only to make you invest more. And eventually after that you cannot withdraw anymore and loses your money.
i think her roomie's mom could've understood that what click baiting does is pretty much what advertisements do in television, its half truth and half lies all for the views/money
Walked in halfway through the story just before the call and I was so confused lmao. Thank god there's a clip, tho it sucks that mika bot only has her own parents but her best friends parents to think about
Honestly I'm suprised to took this long for it to happen.
I'm beginning to worry that Mika is actually going to get herself into some social trouble.
Asian parent moment xD
Old people sometimes misunderstandings some word and explanation.
I think Roomie's mom is misunderstand abt the concept of clipper. She thought mika is the one who's making or requesting the clip and title. Misunderstanding like this just hurting me, i hate it :'3
THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS TO WHY VTUBER IDENTITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET!
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BEING PUBLIC PERSONALITY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BEING VIRTUAL IDOLS!
I like the idea that click baiting is straight punishable by God lol
"You click on the screen and I mababurbate" Haha. Oh My god.. 😅
And this is why many vtubers don't want their family or relatives to find out they are streaming.
I grew up in a family/culture that is pretty conservative when it comes to sex. A lot of the times they are projecting.
Especially the overzealous the ones.
I can easily imagine that there is a "site" that actually implemented that "clickbate" idea
Quote from chat "what on earth did i walk into?!?!?" Poor fucker is lost
Certified istighfar nak moment
I see some people offering advice to be rude to someone that's like her roomie's mom, or people that just clearly don't understand the situation: ID is a place with 80+% muslims, and (at least it would seem) her roomie's mom cares for her. As a result, her roomie's mom is telling her not to sin and is warning her against it, but she just doesn't understand the exact situation.
As Mika mentioned in the clip, the situation she was telling the story about turned out to be a misunderstanding, but either way she was warning her out of good faith towards her, not just because she's nosy or something. Now, yes, you can say that Mika should just ignore her, but that's obviously easier said than done here because it seems her roomie's mom actually checks out what Mika does on stream... ultimately, Mika's just going to have to have these conversations with her roomie's mom from time to time, and that's it. A good permanent resolution can only come with time and patience.
Why not just block her? Quick, easy and more than justified at this point. It's not her responsibility how Mika runs her own business. It's not even mika's mom, but her roomie's, so Mika wouldn't even burn any relevant bridges.
Mika is an open unashamed leech, and I'm not even being antis here. Mika outright says she's dependent on Roomie and her mom for emotional reason.
She obviously cares about her roomie and her mom, dare I say it.
@@flagrus7901 well don't you hear she mentioned that she still need her roomie's mom to like her. It must be something deep behind their relationship. And sadly, in indo we can't just simply answering towards elders, it considered rude.
This is....an interesting conversation to have lmao.
Did she call her roomies mom a B lmao? Then get a call from her lmaooo????
awkward
If she doesn't like what she sees she can just go find another stream to watch.
I don't know what to dislike more, religion or human idiocy...
both combined is the worst. i'd rather talk to a wall like an idiot than talking to a hardcore religious idiot
Religion is one of the highest forms of human idiocy, so your conundrum is easily solved!
@@jondorthebrinkinatornah man it's both,definitely both.
@@jondorthebrinkinator As an otaku and Indonesian, i can say that even among other degenerates, when you bring religion in the group chat (indonesian otaku community discord group for example), everything went south and they forget they are degenerate.
Indonesian is overall sensitive to religious things, no matter what kind of hobby they have (kpopers, otaku, gamers, etc)
what you probably dislike is called conservatism
This one of the rare times when we see how conservative Indonesian society can get. Stark contrast to Mika's attitude.
And this also one of the times when you see that all these damn neologisms we keep coming up with hamper communication instead of enabling it.
saw a clip from you in my recommendeds and suddenly realized that i havent been seeing your cilps in the notifs in months. hope you're doing ok pikapakapoko !!
As a muslim I just wanna say the roomie's mom behavior is haram here because mika clearly explained that she didn't do anything haram in that stream and that it was clickbait by the fans and the mom still didn't listen and accused her of something she didn't do. Idk if mika is muslim or not but either way I'm sorry she had to go through that shitty situation
My grandma is upset with me because i found it funny that i was explaining my grandma what time it would be on the clock in 12 hours. Because laughing at people is rude.
Tbf i couldn't find words to explain that i found the situation funny, not her being slow on the uptake.
Thank you clippers
when dealing with people like this, I usually just agree to disagree, theres no point in arguing with stupid
Roomie's mother mind so haram. Haiyaa
I I would have got so annoyed and angry if I was in her position
They shouldn't have told roomie's mom about mika's channel 😩
Hopefully it doesn't escalate to the point that niji needs to move....
@@arkhielr3252 Or worse, graduation.
I'm afraid she would doxx Mika accidentally or intentionally when venting or gossiping to other people about her daughter's roommate.
@@owitch Honestly, seeing how oblivious she is with the internet culture, that situation is very likely to happen..
Yeah, Mika is kinda screwed with her roomies mom constantly watching her streams and giving her sh*t for that :(
When your beloved streamer is falsely accused of having given god powers to her audience....
Its a general rule of thumb when you talk to elderly or peeps who missed out on the digital wave is to avoid using internet jargons, usually they're confused what it means and leads to more misunderstanding.
no way to do it but to say it straight and as forward as you can, phonetically if you must.
The best way to deal with older people being this way is to just embrace what you are doing that they dislike. "This thing you are doing is wrong!" "Yeah well maybe it's wrong for you but not for me so I'll keep doing it. Thank you for letting me know your opinion. I respect it but I am adult capable of making my own life decisions."
They'll be mad for a while but will eventually accept it and if they don't then they aren't really worth having in your life.
Yeah but Mika also has the fact she's in Indonesia, which can have some...strict viewpoints on things and can take what is "haram" seriously. Its not a full on theocracy but as the largest Muslim majority population center of the world, even if at times they are kind of lenient on things, it can flip like a switch.
So while she's also trying to make roomie's mom like her, she also needs to make it very clear to her she isn't actually doing "adult" cam stuff and the clickbait is just because the clip is likely taking stuff out of context.
@@MapleLeaf2501 man that sucks, I wish religion wouldn't be as relevant and harmful as it still is today
As a Muslim, I don't remember masturbation is 'haram' or restricted since the thing that is restricted / 'haram' is _zina_ (sex before marriage).
You would have a point if Mika wasn't dependent on Roomie's mom. Also, Masturbation is haram because how do you masturbate without thinking lewd things? That's zinah of the mind.
Problem is roomie’s mom wants to protect her daughter from what she sees as bad influence, you western fans don’t get it.
asian & legious parent is the combo of
I mean.... she ain't wrong 😂😂😂
I cannot handle this conversation, i'm to tired 😐
F to Mika
well, that's kinda type of Karen ... but this Karen doesn't understand click bait... 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
she got another M-chan there
God, please no
3:20
Mika: "Masturbating is not okay, chat. It is a sin"
Me: "I'm already a demon... heaven's not my kind of place, anyway."
funny but sad. i feel bad for roomie.
all you do with old people who don't understand is just agree with them....then you can just keep doing whatever it is....99% of the time...they won't even realize
Oh boi, time to make them learn about clickbait the hard way
MAKING THEM LOOK BAD THRU CLICKBAIT
That's a different streaming service, lol.
Dat ID accent doe.
yeah when old people are wrong. They won't admit it. They'll double down.
Just bow and scrape and apoligise so they go away. And just laugh about it. They often realise they're wrong later and privately get very embarrassed. And at the time you're lying through your teeth that you understand and will listen to what they say. But later they realise you were just trying to help them save face.
Roomie mum Andy 😂
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nah brother, you gonna come here telling me I'm committing haram and that I must tell my viewers not to do that which I am not telling them to do I'd go straight up reverse, like I'm asking melody to hook me up with them 3d shits, I'm setting an OF for like a week or 2 and I would just set it up in both English and my language and I'd be like "you inspired me to do this [person] "
just full throttle
Click Bathing should be a new term for when you tip a cam girl.
I think there is still misunderstand there and there by both side.
RIP Jezos
Mika sounds like she might be way too patient with people and take way too much crap from them. The thing is, it really doesn't matter whether the roommate's mom is right or wrong about the particular facts. It is not okay for the roommate's mom to get on her case in the first place, regardless. Her roommate's mom? Seriously? WTF? That woman should just mind her own business. She is not even owed an explanation or argument about clickbait or whatever, she should just be told to back off.
I guess the misunderstanding came from a lack of understanding of internet culture. Half of the things here are ironic or sarcastic, which can be hard to tell when you are unable to distinguish.
Damn I feel bad for roomies dad
Sometimes i worry about Mika, staying in indonesia with their tightening Conservative laws and her being ... well... Mika, makes it actually dangerous to her life to stay. Being outspoken, non-religious, and queer... idk they've imprisoned and killed people over there for less. I wish she'd just get Some of the Ninji Canada girls to sponsor her so she can move there and apply for residency and citizenship. I dont want to wake up and read some terrible news she's been black bagged
BIG UFF... wouldn't even waste time to explain or say sorry to some old religious people who think that their moral compass is the norm and you are wrong if you don't have the same viewpoints.
I am screaming
Welp it happens sometimes no worries
Not gonna lie... I'm developing a MAJOR dislike of her roomie's mom.
Seems incredibly nosey, prying, judgemental, etc..
Wish she would just remove her unsolicited "opinions" & criticisms from stuff that's not her damn business. 😒
It just a fiture that come from being an Indonesian since our society were largely still communal and traditional and it may seem infuriating to outsider but that just normal here
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Yeah, I figured it was likely a cultural thing...
Doesn't make it okay though, to have someone just shoving their nose, & opinions, into her business at every opportunity...
If it were her own mom, it'd still be bad, but at least a little tiny bit more understandable. Someone who's not even one of Mika's own friends or relatives though, absolutely has no right to judge or "direct" her 😕
@@alastorredgrave522 "not okay" if you are an outsider looking inside or growing up in different environment because most Indonesian people in nature are very active and social we love to talk to our friends and neighbors and we also tend to give them some warning or words of advice because we care for them and all of it were done not without any purpose because by being close to your friends and neighbors they more likely to help you in time of needed, your family became less likely to disrespect you and feel more inclined to help you in case you are in deep trouble or even make you less likely to be attacked or taken advantage by your enemies knowing your friends and family will be there backing you.
Technically it's okay not to follow these tradition but in return the entire society will turn it's back against you, seeing you as outsider and even pointing fingers at you whenever something bad happened and that not even all of it
Why does her friend's mom know that she is a vtuber in the first place? tf, My parents doesn't even know where I live.
Wait, Roomie's mother watches her clips.
Not just clip, she watch mika live stream and call her it to promote halal lifestyle
If I was her, I would say "I'm sorry, you are not my mother, so why are you scolding me like you are my mother?" I mean honestly, every parents has different way to teach their kids. if Mika parents didn't have any problem with her talking about masturbation, why does she need to care about someone's mother words?
One, as she said, she still needs her support (perhaps she helps to foot the bill for the apartment?)
Two, it's Indonesia. A conservative religions country.
@@Mernom I'm indonesian, and if the person who scold me act like my parent but actually not my parent, I would be confuse as hell why she scold like I'm her child and act like I'm making a bad name to her family or something
Probably because you did something wrong, and people shouldn't do the wrong things because that's wrong.
@@crestianomisse4613 Did you watch the clip? Roomies mom doesn't know what she's talking about
I mean they are close enough to reveal mika identity.. Like second mother
Did her roommates mom confuse Mika's job with Melody's?
I dislike religious people for the whole masturbating is a sin, sex before marriage is a sin, judging people is a sin...wait let's go back to that one. So religious people can "judge" sinners but isn't "judging" a sin??
Only God can judge not his people.
The judgement you measure unto others will be measured unto you.
Divorce should also be a sin, I've seen so many religious people be together got 40 years and get a divorce.
I'm like if you been together that long than stay together and die together.
Make the time worth it if you already been invested that long already.
Damn bro that sounds like my mom
idk the only thing haram I see here is roomie's mom harassing mika for things she basically didnt do, like, bruh context exists ma'am.
New OF business model?
😂😂😂😂 it's was funny dude, "Masya Allah you are so haram child 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Good thing I don't believe in sin or I'd be in real trouble.
It's not that kind of service ma'm. That's chatterbait.
WHATTTTTTTTT LOL LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Какой классный хайлайт
I'm glad this was cleared up, I don't want to be known as the guy who would look at Mika and think Masturbate. She's like a friend, that's it.
Someone: I am part of a religion with restrictions.
Me: I am not religious, so I am not subject to those restrictions.
The someone: ACTUALLY YOU ARE BECAUSE I AM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG.
Me: Actually, science disproves most religions and barely supports some.
The someone: (the bloodthirsty rant begins)
As a sidenote, bar you overdoing it or being addicted, masturbation is physically a healthy thing and supports mental health by releasing endorphins and reducing your stress which helps with sleep and general mental well-being.... So yeah, though she needs to be good by her roomies parents for whatever reason, I do not. This message is brought to you by common sense. Do it if you want to, if you can't because your space daddy wouldn't want you to that's totally fine, just don't enforce it on me or others.
A fellow coomer, YEP
Why you make em clickbait !?!
Lmao
Yeah... I am sorry to say this, but I think Mika needs to move. It is simply impossible to make the older generation understand you. They will stick inside their own preconception and absolutely refuse anything that isn't aligned with their understanding.
Her roomie's mother will keep doing this. Blaming Mika for anything, and will soon probably call her Dzalim or something like that. Absolutely thinking that Mika is wrong and she is right and she have absolute right to tell Mika off and force Mika to do it her way.
Well… fan art when
I am already going to hell for being a nonbeliever. Let me enjoy my haram hobbies ma'am.
oh my god
Older people should love and take care of younger people, instead of getting angry
In their mind this IS caring.
If anything, internet users should let out a bit more spunk cause incel behaviors be on the rise ever year. More clickbait, clippers!
At some point it's perfectly valid to just block people like her. She's not her mother and it's in no way her business, especially since she has zero understanding what she's even trying to talk about.
Or at the very least Mika could ask roomie to have a word with her first. This is seriously getting asinine
Also, masturbation is okay and this fact should be publicly promoted in all societies, including societies that are filled with crazy fundamentalists who believe otherwise.
Welp, kinda expected from an Asian very religious conservative nation so.
Sometime I wonder how strict they really are?
I mean talking about masturbait is haram but no problem for being Bisexual ?
Nope, in Islam it's still a sin. it's either Mika doing for content with no serious intentions, or she not Muslim (it's just her roommate's mom). And also someone who like minding other live like they part of it, is still consider common in here and it's so annoying even if they not related by blood (or even worse, stranger), and mostly they still someone who/was live in country side.
@@oyabruhh7104 I relate that last part of your comment. Like, mind your own business for god sake. If I don't ask for any advice, don't come like I need it. Your family is your business, my family is my business.
@@oyabruhh7104 Or she just doesn't take religion too seriously. There are plenty of christians and muslims who are very liberal when it comes to faith.