i am just starting out on my astrophotography, and i am using a DSLR and widefield OTA. Eventually, i will want to get a dedicated astro camera, and a OTA with a longer focal length. I thought i would go the osc route( 183 & 294 mc), but I would need a different camera for widefield and longer fl. This is a game changer, 2 camera's in 1. the cost of this camera, plus a filter wheel and filters, works out around the same as buying 2 osc camera's for the flexibility i foresee
i'm very tempted about this camera, i have an TS 76EDPH and paired with my 1600MM i have a pixel-scale of 2,29"/pixel, so i'm losing the fine detail, your suggestion of using the bin1 mode for Lum sounds very interesting. Nice review, looking forward to the follow up.
Thanks Roro for the informative videos about this camera. For higher resolution I use an ASI183MM pro cooled camera that has a native pixel size of 2.4micrometers. I have found your video useful as I'm thinking of getting a 294mm pro cooled for various reasons. Will you make a video showing how you add a luminance picture to RGB or a narrow band combined image please? Thanks
When doing SHO narrowband, would you use the 1x1 binning mode for the H-alpha exposures and 2x2 for Oiii and Sii? And then combine all together? Or would you use a luminance filter instead for narrowband too? What if there's light pollution?
Thank you so much for this video. My wife asked what I wanted for Christmas and this it it. I have a 294MC Pro already and would love if you could show combining the files on some targets. Also, if one wanted to use the Hubble sho pallet, would you recommend shooting the 294MC Pro OSC with narrowband like the Optolong LExtreme for extracting OIII and Ha and combining a luminance layer from the 294MM pro as SII? This could be done fairly easily using APP.
Even in excellent seeing conditions, you will unlikely be able to get any resolution improvement at that pixel size (due to blurring of the atmosphere) Also you will need to expose 4 times longer to get the same brightness. The pixel size and focal length of your system need to be somewhat matched or you could be wasting your time by over sampling a already blurry object.
Currently I’m testing taking 1x1 L/Ha images and combining them with 2x2 RGB filter images. The stacking works well, just trying to work out how much of a difference the noise and DR changes make to the final image. The stacked 1x1 images are super crisp and nice though.
Regarding galaxies and nebulas, would you shoot them on bin 1 with your red cat because it generates better arcseconds per pixel? Some people suggested bin 1 on L and bin 2 for RGB. For SHO, probably on bin 2 to save time.....your thoughts?
I use 2” filters as I also use ASP-C and full frame sensors. You can use this website to work out what the minimum filter size is for your gear though (it depends on sensor size and telescope focal ratio: astronomy.tools/calculators/ccd_filter_size
@@AstroWithRoRo thanks. I have been using it and it calls for 1.25” size filters will work. However I also learned that the lens on the 1.25” size filters aren’t really 31.75mm but around 26mm. If that’s the case then the 1.25” may be a bit too close.
Any indication if/when this will end up as a selectable feature in the ASIAir Pro app? I looked and tried changing the bin settings but still get the same resolution. I know you mentioned a driver, but I'm not sure there's any option for that in ASIAir.
I don't believe they have released the AIRAir app update for this yet, but I did see it as a working prototype feature on their FB page a week ago. So it should be definitely be arriving, and hopefully soon.
Yes. The sensor is a 47MP Sony sensor (IMX492), but ZWO used a 2x2 binning mode to match the pixel size, resolution and other specs of the MM to that of the 294MC. They have now given us access to the true read out of the sensor.
You can either set ROI or just drop down the resolution but keep the 1x1 mode. It still gets decent FPS in 1x1 mode at lower resolutions (like 640x320, etc.)
I haven't had any experience with their cameras, but the sensor is the same as the ZWO/QHY. The differences would be in build quality, drivers, support and possibly the housing/AR glass.
Excellent video! When shooting a luminance layer to combine with OSC data from the 294 MC Pro, do you use unbinned mode and a luminance filter. Thanks!
Apologies for the wind noise on this video, it was quite windy outside and I rushed to get this video live for you all.
It's completely fine, doesn't prevent from hearing what you said
Again, simply fantastic. A true revelation. Thanks! 😀
i am just starting out on my astrophotography, and i am using a DSLR and widefield OTA. Eventually, i will want to get a dedicated astro camera, and a OTA with a longer focal length. I thought i would go the osc route( 183 & 294 mc), but I would need a different camera for widefield and longer fl. This is a game changer, 2 camera's in 1. the cost of this camera, plus a filter wheel and filters, works out around the same as buying 2 osc camera's for the flexibility i foresee
Looks like a really promising development! I'd love to see smaller pixels becoming more common! Great video! And nice to hear from a fellow aussie
Agreed about smaller pixels, they have some great uses now that the sensors are so sensitive.
i'm very tempted about this camera, i have an TS 76EDPH and paired with my 1600MM i have a pixel-scale of 2,29"/pixel, so i'm losing the fine detail, your suggestion of using the bin1 mode for Lum sounds very interesting. Nice review, looking forward to the follow up.
Thanks Roro for the informative videos about this camera. For higher resolution I use an ASI183MM pro cooled camera that has a native pixel size of 2.4micrometers. I have found your video useful as I'm thinking of getting a 294mm pro cooled for various reasons. Will you make a video showing how you add a luminance picture to RGB or a narrow band combined image please? Thanks
Just found your channel it is great keep up the great videos!
Thanks so much!
Very interesting video! Love the doggie too
She loves finding ways into the videos 😂
When doing SHO narrowband, would you use the 1x1 binning mode for the H-alpha exposures and 2x2 for Oiii and Sii? And then combine all together? Or would you use a luminance filter instead for narrowband too? What if there's light pollution?
Thank you so much for this video. My wife asked what I wanted for Christmas and this it it. I have a 294MC Pro already and would love if you could show combining the files on some targets. Also, if one wanted to use the Hubble sho pallet, would you recommend shooting the 294MC Pro OSC with narrowband like the Optolong LExtreme for extracting OIII and Ha and combining a luminance layer from the 294MM pro as SII? This could be done fairly easily using APP.
Even in excellent seeing conditions, you will unlikely be able to get any resolution improvement at that pixel size (due to blurring of the atmosphere) Also you will need to expose 4 times longer to get the same brightness. The pixel size and focal length of your system need to be somewhat matched or you could be wasting your time by over sampling a already blurry object.
Bin1 seems to be a good match for a short focal lengths, such as a RedCat. Bin2 is definitely better for long focal lengths.
I saw on the drop down list bin4.....is that possible?
Thank you
Do you suggest to create a separate group of Bin 1 Lum pics then another separate set of Bin 2 pics along with filer pics as well?
Currently I’m testing taking 1x1 L/Ha images and combining them with 2x2 RGB filter images. The stacking works well, just trying to work out how much of a difference the noise and DR changes make to the final image. The stacked 1x1 images are super crisp and nice though.
Regarding galaxies and nebulas, would you shoot them on bin 1 with your red cat because it generates better arcseconds per pixel? Some people suggested bin 1 on L and bin 2 for RGB. For SHO, probably on bin 2 to save time.....your thoughts?
I am actually testing this out at the moment and plan to do a video soon. Just need a few more clear night to finish getting all the data for it. :)
Great!! Just got a 294MM as well but no clear nights in sight for another 2 weeks.
What filter size did you get for the 294mm?
I use 2” filters as I also use ASP-C and full frame sensors. You can use this website to work out what the minimum filter size is for your gear though (it depends on sensor size and telescope focal ratio: astronomy.tools/calculators/ccd_filter_size
@@AstroWithRoRo thanks. I have been using it and it calls for 1.25” size filters will work. However I also learned that the lens on the 1.25” size filters aren’t really 31.75mm but around 26mm. If that’s the case then the 1.25” may be a bit too close.
Hi to the Doggy too!
Any indication if/when this will end up as a selectable feature in the ASIAir Pro app? I looked and tried changing the bin settings but still get the same resolution. I know you mentioned a driver, but I'm not sure there's any option for that in ASIAir.
I don't believe they have released the AIRAir app update for this yet, but I did see it as a working prototype feature on their FB page a week ago. So it should be definitely be arriving, and hopefully soon.
@@AstroWithRoRo great thanks for the info!
Why the audio sounds like a Zoom recording?
It was very windy when this was recorded so there’s a lot of wind buffering on the mic.
So it was marketed as a 11MP camera but it actually is 47MP?
Yes. The sensor is a 47MP Sony sensor (IMX492), but ZWO used a 2x2 binning mode to match the pixel size, resolution and other specs of the MM to that of the 294MC. They have now given us access to the true read out of the sensor.
What do you think of the Svbony knock off of the 290mc? The Sv305 I think it's called.
Why would you shoot planetary without setting a ROI? And if you do then the slow frame rate of 1x1 isn’t really applicable.
You can either set ROI or just drop down the resolution but keep the 1x1 mode. It still gets decent FPS in 1x1 mode at lower resolutions (like 640x320, etc.)
I haven't had any experience with their cameras, but the sensor is the same as the ZWO/QHY. The differences would be in build quality, drivers, support and possibly the housing/AR glass.
Excellent video! When shooting a luminance layer to combine with OSC data from the 294 MC Pro, do you use unbinned mode and a luminance filter. Thanks!
I've been trying to test out the 1x1 vs 2x2 binning modes for this, but the weather has made it difficult. I hope to release a video about this soon.
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