I'm really glad JusReign is on JKNews, I love how he brings in different perspectives (which, yes, I know is the point of guest stars/featuring different people on), but I actually really relate with a lot of his points and am glad to hear them discussed with the JK-Cast. Either way, I always enjoy the discussions! EDIT TWO WEEKS LATER AFTER THIS COMMET: Holy shiet, 633 likes? Woah, haha thank you ha.
People that are so messed up and sad that theyre about to commit suicide dont really think or care about whats going on around them anymore because theyre in such a dark space.
Mia Rodriguez i think you misinterpreted what he was trying to say. I get the confusion though as he said death, you tied it to all around death from any circumstance.
This is true. Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts. Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others. In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help. But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic.
Ruby Frostwolf I’m sure joe knows this, he has a long history of drug abuse and depression, he has talked about in past videos. He isn’t the best at articulating his thoughts though.
Reminds me of when a guy in mexico city was going to jump off a bridge too because he felt so lonely and the cops talked him down by inviting him to eat tacos together
lmao joe caught himself almost spilling where he lives "i live ,,,,,,, 8 miles away" ,,,,, bro now everyone knows its like 2 miles max away from you lmfao
Jusreign is my new favourite guest! He's so interesting and I feel like he vibes so well with the JK members!!! Idk if it's because he's Asian too but he just seems so comfortable with them despite just meeting them so I feel like he has a lot of potential to be a regular guest :D of course other favourites include David, Theo and Steve ~~ these four are really the best
I was going to jump off a overpass into on coming traffic about 2 years ago when i was 17. Some guy pulled over and pulled me off the rail and waited for my group home staff and the state police and EMT's to come. So I can realate
Allen Silva in most cases people think they’re a huge inconvenience to others and live their life trying to make other people happy that’s why they try to take their life in the first place; in their head they’re just a huge inconvenience. Saying “don’t be an inconvenience to others” may literally be more selfish than actually killing yourself.
it takes a bit of energy to suicide. depression takes all of one's energy and will away, so a lot of suicides happen in ways that are conveniently accessible at the moment for the person. there are ppl that plan and organize themselves to die, but it is unrealistic to expect them to do so given their state of mind.
The Japanese government will fine and punish your family if you did public suicide like jumping off railway. No one wants to clean up your severed dead body, some people will get traumatized seeing that shit. I don't have empathy for egoistical fuck who do suicide and still be a nuisance even after they die. Even worse if they kill others before kill themselves. Yes you are depressed, it's not an instant thing, you actually have a choice to get help, it's a gradual thing..and when you want to end your life, it's your choice to be an inconvenience for others or did it on secluded area.
You guys should make a game where you guys sit in a circle with Bart in the middle and he has to fart and the person who stays sitting still the longest wins😂
Right? I’m a psych major and I have hella empathy sometimes too much. I’m super sensitive and sympathetic which makes me good at my major. I guess everyone is different but usually people who are more emotional and empathetic are better fitted for psychology. Idk.
minmeii it’s even more that he has a history of suicidal thoughts. He’s mentioned dealing with depression and drug abuse several times in episodes and I feel like that’s why he has a different perspective.
i like how everyone else acts so high and mighty up above everyone. it has nothing to do with a lack of empathy. it has to do with being more realistic. i wish everyone could get more help like this kid and others. i have lost a few friends to this battle. even been close my self a few times. but to me this is not lack of empathy. this is being real and telling people that you should not be a damn inconvenience and take the risk of killing many others with you. if you can. get help. if you pick this path than dont be an ass and take others down
Joe shouldn't talk about things he has no grasp of tbh. Still respect tf out of Joe tho. He's just ignorant on the topic fr and just comes off as someone with no empathy for people dealing with mental illnesses
I don't believe the conversation was "ignorant." Joe merely had a different perspective on the subject, and if you remember correctly, Joe even mentioned in a couple episodes where he considered suicide. Personally, I kind of agree with Joe's initial mentality: why inconvenience others out desperation for one's own problems?
Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts without filter. Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others. In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help. But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic.
It's okay to think this way and ask these types of questions. He just doesn't understand something and wants to make sense out of it. No shame in doing that. Sometimes he just really doesn't think before he talks lol.
Prymary actually he should talk about this because he has a history of mental illness, drug abuse, and suicidal thoughts. Joe is probably the least ignorant out everyone in this group when it comes to this topic, he’s just offering a different perspective.
Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts without a filter. Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others. In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help. But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic. (I know it was just a joke)
People that go out that way are just trying to see one last time, if they MATTER to anyone, at that point. "Seeking attention" are the wrong words. "Inconvenience" is just the wrong attitude. Suicidal people are victims of their own head and a prisoner of their own thoughts, which is a mental defect. You wouldn't tell someone with a physical defect, you are "inconveniencing" me with your inability to walk, or maybe you would? Furthermore, we've ALL been an inconvenience to someone. Have you ever been late...sick...miscalculated something...too drunk to drive home...lied ...late paying a bill...or even pulled out in front of someone in your car? Thank God for COMPASSION, because the same way we all "inconvenience" others, we all need compassion, so be careful, you never know when you might need some "inconvenient compassion"!
Vidoes like this make me so mad when they are talking about people who commit/try to commit suicide in a public place. Yes sometimes it's a cry for help in hopes that you will be shown that someone cares even if it's a random person. But when you're at a point where you are so low that you are half way through a plan, you're not thinking straight. It's ridiculous when people say "suicide is selfish", if anything it's the complete opposite. Most people commit suicide because they are thinking of others and there affect on the world around them. They think that they are a burden and they see it as helping others by lifting the burden that is themselves. And you can't look at some and say "yeah I'm going through shit too but I'm not putting other people's lives on the line." 1) they are mentally ill and aren't thinking about it that way 2) they see no other way to deal with all the things they are struggling with unlike someone who can logically look at problems. And to be like "why don't people just slit there wrists or blow there heads off" is so insensitive but some ways are harder then others and they may look for the easiest accessible way.
I think the problem is when their suicide affects other innocent people, such as traumatizing bystanders and even injuring others near by. What if a guy jumps off a bridge on a highway and hits a car and injures the driver, or what if the car swerves to avoid him and ends up hitting another car and injuring or killing that other drive, these are innocent people as well. Remember JK once did an article about a lady who wanted to commit suicide so she crashed her car into a semi truck and the truck driver ended up dying while she lived.
@@rezriaz2153 I realise that that is a problem but I'm just trying to say, people aren't thinking about that and it isn't there main priority when they do these kinds of things. They are just thinking of killing them selves.
@@j4xx01antern i agree with you, some people aren't thinking about the consequences of these public suicide. That's why it need to be said, and sometimes a hefty bill from the train company to family member like in japan if you did it on railway.
Jaxxon Zych well thats exactly what joes trying to say. “Don’t care, just thinking about killing themselves” so imagine someone is trying to end their life by jumping in a busy highway from above. The landing causes someone else’s to die, maybe that was a man/woman who’s a provider of a family of 4kids is now unintentionally killed by someone else. Yes suicide is a serious problem and we should collectively help the ones that’s needed, but that doesn’t excuse them to be reckless and hurt others in the process. I’d imagine if that person survived the jump and accidentally killed or hurt someone else, they would be prosecuted in court.
@@dmnfilms6040 I understand I'm just trying to explain that there intentions aren't to hurt others and they aren't exactly thinking about how they are hurting others. But it's not selfish to the person that's in that situation. They don't want to hurt anyone else. They are literally thinking they are doing the opposite of being selfish. It is a problem with the ways they could hurt others but they aren't thinking about that and you can't expect them to think of these things with a rational mind like you or I would when they are at a point like this.
I can understand how suicide seems selfish to a stable person but when you’re in that situation you aren’t rational. Imagine your brain convincing you that you have no worth and that you’re nothing more than a burden to the people around you, plus factor in things like trauma, debt or other possible triggers and that person on that ledge doesn’t care what you think about what they do next. You can also consider that if it is a cry for help then it could be because often, if you have mental health problems, help isn’t available until you do something drastic. Regardless, someone who is pushed to that point needs to be treated with compassion. Nobody would put themselves in that danger for no reason.
Joe, suicide is selfish? Seriously? You don’t know what they’re going through. That was such an ignorant statement from a smart dude. I’m glad JusReign and Tiff disagreed with him.
So someone has to stay alive for the sake of their family and friends’ satisfaction? What if they have a terminal illness like ALS or Alzheimer’s where it just gets worse and worse and they don’t want to bring the burden onto their family? What if they have severe mental illnesses and while being alive, no one reached out a hand? I’m not promoting it, but a person’s state of mind when close to committing suicide is not like a healthy one’s. There are many aspects to it that are selfish (e.g. the person that has to clean it up) but to dump onto them “that’s so selfish” on top of whatever demons they’re fighting doesn’t help. As a psych major, I expected Joe to be more understanding.
@@jml9984 You're creating reasons for it to be OK. No one is talking about those with illnesses, if you have a sickness is completely beside the point. My point is the fact that you are ending your suffering and passing it to your family members/significant other directly fits the definition of selfishness. Even if someone were to have an illness as you described ending their life because of it is selfish by definition
No, suicide is not selfish “by definition.” Please, show me a well researched, objective written work that would define suicide as selfish. We should not be undervaluing mental illness as a not good enough reason to commit suicide, while we are somehow okay if it is a terminal illness. I watched a video where a woman described severe mental illness as a cancer to the mind that you cannot physically see. I thought it was a good analogy and brings up the question of why we condone suicide for physical illnesses but do not mental illnesses? Antidepressants and therapy don’t always work, like how chemo doesn’t always work for cancer patients. An example- a famous Korean singer named JongHyun committed suicide. He left a note, “But they said I should live. I asked why so many times, but it's not for me. It's for you. I wanted to be for me. Don't say things that don't make sense.” Clearly, being told “suicide is selfish” is no help. It’s even more selfish of the loved ones to say that. There’s zero sympathy, they just want this person to stay alive because they want it. If you aren’t living with their suffering, you aren’t in a place to judge. Also, many people with mental illnesses have a warped mind and believe they are a burden and would be doing a service to the people around them by disappearing.
You're talking to specific they're speakin on suicide in a general and more common. Of the 30% increase in suicide rate from 1999 to 2016 over half did not have mental health issues. So its not only those with an illness they're talking about the average suicide victims which over half do not half a mental health problem. Telling people that suicide isn't selfish would just further increase the rate of suicide. The reason most potential victims back out is because of the burden and pain they would cause to they're loved ones so they decide not to be "selfish".
*If you see this & you're in that dark place...don't give up. I have the same trouble & I kept trying. Still here & so are you so keep going. It's not all sunshine and rainbows but you'll be okay.*
Maybe people who choose to jump during the day feel so desperate and need to cal for help. That's why they make a scene instead of jumping at 2am. It's not because they arent thinking or remembering to consider others. But because they have no one close to them to talk them down. They maybe dont wwant to die and need a stranger to talk them down or maybe even stop them
The inconvenience is much easier to understand once you consider the fact that it's an emergency just like other emergencies. Someone is not in control of a deadly situation and in need of immediate assistance. If they were lucky enough for someone else to notice and do something, the police and EMTs arrive. Just like any other emergency. Similarly, it's like seeing a regular looking man in a reserved seat for disabled people. Don't go in hot and start arguing with him, he might have prosthetic legs you just didn't see.
That's actually why the Japanese government will fine the family member who commit suicide on railway. They're being a nuisance to others, some people will be traumatized. Not only i view them as a coward, but also a garbage.
I kind of agree with joe only because if he had jumped off the bridge into traffic, he could have landed on someones car or in front of someones car as they're on the freeway, which would be extremely traumatizing but could have also caused traffic accidents as well.
Tbh I really agree with Joe towards the end. My reason is because there are people that jump in the road to get hit by a car. I feel that it’s selfish because you’re causing an inconvenience to another person when they didn’t do anything wrong. Especially with there are those people that shoot others and then kill them self after. There are so many ways to connect to people and to talk. You shouldn’t just stand on the edge of something just so someone can talk you out of it.
if you want people being pc and sensitive about topics go watch traditional news. "Just Kidding News" should not be a place where you expect complete seriousness about any topic, even one as dark as this.
I can’t believe no one understood how joe was saying, if you want to leave this world then don’t go out by possibly harming and killing other people. If you are crying out for help, do it in a way that won’t hurt others. Even if someone is in such a dark place they would still be able to know if their actions would harm another person. Obviously jumping onto an overpass could kill others. So there’s no excuse for killing yourself in situations like that. Worse than being selfish, cuz you are possibly taking someone else’s life for your own issues.
I found a suicidal woman on the overpass where I work. It was a small overpass but I was still scarred for her life because no one noticed and the morning traffic is crazy. I had to stop traffic and tried to stand below her before the police came to the scene and releived us. Unfortunately she was (possibly) on drugs and did jump eventually, however a police chief later informed me that she lived from the fall. It was on the same day as another suicide (murder?) over in Pasadena that was all over the news.
the way joe spoke about suicide made me so uncomfortable. I respect TF out of JK news peeps, y'all are great. but just in my opinion, as someone who has been through it and known people who have attempted, it really rubbed me the wrong way. and i saw how tiff was trying to curve what joe was saying, but damn joe. :(
I kind of get where Joe is coming from. Back when I was suicidal I planned to take measures to keep my family or an unsuspecting person from finding me so I wouldn’t cause them that potential trauma. I’d even considered ways to make it easier to clean my body up for when I had to be removed. When I was planning I put in thought to keep my dead ass from being a worse nuisance than I had to be. With all of that said however when my suicidal impulses were the strongest, mean the closest to actually attempting and completing, I truly could not give a fuck about all of that because the mental and emotional pain was so strong. So I understand Joe’s thinking because I felt the same before I came the closest I’d ever been to actually ending my life. The others are right. You really don’t have the capacity anymore to be considerate of others like you should once you reach a certain point.
Are they talking about badmaash in the beginning of the video? I tried visiting that place a couple months back after E3 or AX (I forgot) when it was like 100degrees outside and they were closed! There was a sign that said it was too hot to stay open lol. But really, it was fkin hot that day, so I don't blame them. I was excited to have some Indian Poutine that I heard about though :(
I'm with Joe. About 2 years ago on my way to work the station was blocked off because someone jumped in front of the train. Luckily I got there 5 mins after I usually do otherwise I would've been there when it happened. Still pissed me the hell off because there were a lot of young kids at the station on their way to school that saw that shit. Way to traumatize everyone.
It may not be about cry for attention, but possibly what is the quickest and most painless option. With restricted access to guns increasing, high impact suicides might seem better to a sufferer
nahh here in the east coast, or at least in new jersey the stereotype for Indians and people with middle eastern origins are stereotyped to be 7/11 owner/workers and gas station workers. obviously this is not entirely accurate, but this is what a lot of people see and think about Indians and middle eastern people in NJ
I feel like what Joe was trying to say is that the killing yourself isn’t necessary cowardly. It’s the way you do it, be considerate of other people and make sure they aren’t affected
I understand Joe's point of view. Jumping into oncoming traffic can traumatise others and potentially create more problems. For example if a car swerves into the other lane to avoid being hit, that car risks a danger to others, even its self. Or even witnessing the death can be traumatic, meaning the witness has to seek psychological help for years. Potentially traumatising them for life. I don't think Joe was being ignorant. I believe being in a secluded area where you don't inconvenience others is better than traumatising hundreds for life. I just don't think that the people who are suicidal realise the effect it has on others as their minds are focused on themselves in the moment. But then again those are usually impulsive suicides.
I'm really glad JusReign is on JKNews, I love how he brings in different perspectives (which, yes, I know is the point of guest stars/featuring different people on), but I actually really relate with a lot of his points and am glad to hear them discussed with the JK-Cast. Either way, I always enjoy the discussions!
EDIT TWO WEEKS LATER AFTER THIS COMMET: Holy shiet, 633 likes? Woah, haha thank you ha.
Wonder what fucked up shit joe said for them to cut the video there
Yeah he needs to be on JKN more often.
@momochan i like his way of communicating.
Ororo D so on point
Agreed we need more jusreign. I’m glad he stood up and said his opinion
People that are so messed up and sad that theyre about to commit suicide dont really think or care about whats going on around them anymore because theyre in such a dark space.
@Mia Rodriguez death is one of those things in life we have the most influence over
Mia Rodriguez i think you misinterpreted what he was trying to say. I get the confusion though as he said death, you tied it to all around death from any circumstance.
This is true. Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts. Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others. In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help.
But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic.
Ruby Frostwolf I’m sure joe knows this, he has a long history of drug abuse and depression, he has talked about in past videos. He isn’t the best at articulating his thoughts though.
101yayo but if you were depressed and needed someone wouldn’t you want someone to talk you out of your slump and help you?
Reminds me of when a guy in mexico city was going to jump off a bridge too because he felt so lonely and the cops talked him down by inviting him to eat tacos together
That sounds like it could've been an advert for Old El Paso
Tacos bring the world together
And the tacos were so shit he followed through with it
lmao joe caught himself almost spilling where he lives "i live ,,,,,,, 8 miles away" ,,,,, bro now everyone knows its like 2 miles max away from you lmfao
He lives in Little Tokyo near the Village Plaza so it's not like that's a secret.
Jusreign is my new favourite guest! He's so interesting and I feel like he vibes so well with the JK members!!! Idk if it's because he's Asian too but he just seems so comfortable with them despite just meeting them so I feel like he has a lot of potential to be a regular guest :D of course other favourites include David, Theo and Steve ~~ these four are really the best
Yeah he's really chill around them.
Delivery Man: *You want beer*
Man: *yeah*
Whenever I'm so broke and can't afford beer that day I feel about the same.
I was going to jump off a overpass into on coming traffic about 2 years ago when i was 17. Some guy pulled over and pulled me off the rail and waited for my group home staff and the state police and EMT's to come. So I can realate
I'm happy you've overcome that well done
Allen Silva in most cases people think they’re a huge inconvenience to others and live their life trying to make other people happy that’s why they try to take their life in the first place; in their head they’re just a huge inconvenience. Saying “don’t be an inconvenience to others” may literally be more selfish than actually killing yourself.
Alln Silva and forcing ppl to live just because you want them to is what?
it takes a bit of energy to suicide. depression takes all of one's energy and will away, so a lot of suicides happen in ways that are conveniently accessible at the moment for the person. there are ppl that plan and organize themselves to die, but it is unrealistic to expect them to do so given their state of mind.
The Japanese government will fine and punish your family if you did public suicide like jumping off railway.
No one wants to clean up your severed dead body, some people will get traumatized seeing that shit.
I don't have empathy for egoistical fuck who do suicide and still be a nuisance even after they die. Even worse if they kill others before kill themselves.
Yes you are depressed, it's not an instant thing, you actually have a choice to get help, it's a gradual thing..and when you want to end your life, it's your choice to be an inconvenience for others or did it on secluded area.
You guys should make a game where you guys sit in a circle with Bart in the middle and he has to fart and the person who stays sitting still the longest wins😂
Bart would be the first to lose because they'd kick him out of the building! Hahaha.
Ya wtf 😂
It surprises me that Joe talks like this about suicide even though he himself has studied psychology.
you need a beer man?
minmeii I think it shows how some people can be booksmart and yet still stupid
Right? I’m a psych major and I have hella empathy sometimes too much. I’m super sensitive and sympathetic which makes me good at my major. I guess everyone is different but usually people who are more emotional and empathetic are better fitted for psychology. Idk.
minmeii it’s even more that he has a history of suicidal thoughts. He’s mentioned dealing with depression and drug abuse several times in episodes and I feel like that’s why he has a different perspective.
i like how everyone else acts so high and mighty up above everyone. it has nothing to do with a lack of empathy. it has to do with being more realistic. i wish everyone could get more help like this kid and others. i have lost a few friends to this battle. even been close my self a few times. but to me this is not lack of empathy. this is being real and telling people that you should not be a damn inconvenience and take the risk of killing many others with you. if you can. get help. if you pick this path than dont be an ass and take others down
Geo's taika feeders are so distracting honestly
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This is true
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Joe shouldn't talk about things he has no grasp of tbh. Still respect tf out of Joe tho. He's just ignorant on the topic fr and just comes off as someone with no empathy for people dealing with mental illnesses
I don't believe the conversation was "ignorant." Joe merely had a different perspective on the subject, and if you remember correctly, Joe even mentioned in a couple episodes where he considered suicide. Personally, I kind of agree with Joe's initial mentality: why inconvenience others out desperation for one's own problems?
Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts without filter. Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others. In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help.
But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic.
It's okay to think this way and ask these types of questions. He just doesn't understand something and wants to make sense out of it. No shame in doing that. Sometimes he just really doesn't think before he talks lol.
Prymary actually he should talk about this because he has a history of mental illness, drug abuse, and suicidal thoughts. Joe is probably the least ignorant out everyone in this group when it comes to this topic, he’s just offering a different perspective.
Dan Lee I disagree. Just because he has gone through it, doesn't mean he has a full comprehension of it.
Lol Joe is just bad at expressing his ideas sometimes because his words come out directly from his thoughts without a filter.
Basically what he was trying to say was if someone really wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't try to attract attention and do it discreetly/at no inconvenience of others.
In this case, the man was also showing a cry for help.
But seriously Joe, ain't nobody got time to plan a jump at the least amount of traffic. (I know it was just a joke)
ElvenTime, Most people know what he was trying to say but the way he said it made him sound ignorant inconsiderate.
Jus Reign should be a regular, I like having a brown/desi person there to represent
Doesnt he live in Canada or did he move to LA
Do y’all use a thesaurus to come up with PG titles? I swear, I gotta read it like three times to understand lol
what
bruh me too!!! i gotta read it 5 times and sometimes i still don't understand lmao
Monkey D. Luffy
What , what?
it really isn't that hard to get
The title was pretty clear
People that go out that way are just trying to see one last time, if they MATTER to anyone, at that point. "Seeking attention" are the wrong words. "Inconvenience" is just the wrong attitude. Suicidal people are victims of their own head and a prisoner of their own thoughts, which is a mental defect. You wouldn't tell someone with a physical defect, you are "inconveniencing" me with your inability to walk, or maybe you would? Furthermore, we've ALL been an inconvenience to someone. Have you ever been late...sick...miscalculated something...too drunk to drive home...lied ...late paying a bill...or even pulled out in front of someone in your car? Thank God for COMPASSION, because the same way we all "inconvenience" others, we all need compassion, so be careful, you never know when you might need some "inconvenient compassion"!
Vidoes like this make me so mad when they are talking about people who commit/try to commit suicide in a public place. Yes sometimes it's a cry for help in hopes that you will be shown that someone cares even if it's a random person. But when you're at a point where you are so low that you are half way through a plan, you're not thinking straight. It's ridiculous when people say "suicide is selfish", if anything it's the complete opposite. Most people commit suicide because they are thinking of others and there affect on the world around them. They think that they are a burden and they see it as helping others by lifting the burden that is themselves. And you can't look at some and say "yeah I'm going through shit too but I'm not putting other people's lives on the line." 1) they are mentally ill and aren't thinking about it that way 2) they see no other way to deal with all the things they are struggling with unlike someone who can logically look at problems. And to be like "why don't people just slit there wrists or blow there heads off" is so insensitive but some ways are harder then others and they may look for the easiest accessible way.
I think the problem is when their suicide affects other innocent people, such as traumatizing bystanders and even injuring others near by. What if a guy jumps off a bridge on a highway and hits a car and injures the driver, or what if the car swerves to avoid him and ends up hitting another car and injuring or killing that other drive, these are innocent people as well. Remember JK once did an article about a lady who wanted to commit suicide so she crashed her car into a semi truck and the truck driver ended up dying while she lived.
@@rezriaz2153 I realise that that is a problem but I'm just trying to say, people aren't thinking about that and it isn't there main priority when they do these kinds of things. They are just thinking of killing them selves.
@@j4xx01antern i agree with you, some people aren't thinking about the consequences of these public suicide.
That's why it need to be said, and sometimes a hefty bill from the train company to family member like in japan if you did it on railway.
Jaxxon Zych well thats exactly what joes trying to say. “Don’t care, just thinking about killing themselves” so imagine someone is trying to end their life by jumping in a busy highway from above. The landing causes someone else’s to die, maybe that was a man/woman who’s a provider of a family of 4kids is now unintentionally killed by someone else. Yes suicide is a serious problem and we should collectively help the ones that’s needed, but that doesn’t excuse them to be reckless and hurt others in the process. I’d imagine if that person survived the jump and accidentally killed or hurt someone else, they would be prosecuted in court.
@@dmnfilms6040 I understand I'm just trying to explain that there intentions aren't to hurt others and they aren't exactly thinking about how they are hurting others. But it's not selfish to the person that's in that situation. They don't want to hurt anyone else. They are literally thinking they are doing the opposite of being selfish. It is a problem with the ways they could hurt others but they aren't thinking about that and you can't expect them to think of these things with a rational mind like you or I would when they are at a point like this.
wow, took a whole 7 minutes before they stopped talking and actually allowed tiff to talk about the article lol
Tbh i cared more about what Jus Reign had to say lol
I thought the thumbnail was saying they made him jump skdjksjdmsnd
I can understand how suicide seems selfish to a stable person but when you’re in that situation you aren’t rational. Imagine your brain convincing you that you have no worth and that you’re nothing more than a burden to the people around you, plus factor in things like trauma, debt or other possible triggers and that person on that ledge doesn’t care what you think about what they do next. You can also consider that if it is a cry for help then it could be because often, if you have mental health problems, help isn’t available until you do something drastic. Regardless, someone who is pushed to that point needs to be treated with compassion. Nobody would put themselves in that danger for no reason.
Joe, suicide is selfish? Seriously? You don’t know what they’re going through. That was such an ignorant statement from a smart dude. I’m glad JusReign and Tiff disagreed with him.
Suicide is extremely selfish. Whether the reason they do it is out of selfishness or not. The act of suicide itself by defenition is selfish.
So someone has to stay alive for the sake of their family and friends’ satisfaction? What if they have a terminal illness like ALS or Alzheimer’s where it just gets worse and worse and they don’t want to bring the burden onto their family? What if they have severe mental illnesses and while being alive, no one reached out a hand?
I’m not promoting it, but a person’s state of mind when close to committing suicide is not like a healthy one’s. There are many aspects to it that are selfish (e.g. the person that has to clean it up) but to dump onto them “that’s so selfish” on top of whatever demons they’re fighting doesn’t help. As a psych major, I expected Joe to be more understanding.
@@jml9984 You're creating reasons for it to be OK. No one is talking about those with illnesses, if you have a sickness is completely beside the point. My point is the fact that you are ending your suffering and passing it to your family members/significant other directly fits the definition of selfishness. Even if someone were to have an illness as you described ending their life because of it is selfish by definition
No, suicide is not selfish “by definition.” Please, show me a well researched, objective written work that would define suicide as selfish. We should not be undervaluing mental illness as a not good enough reason to commit suicide, while we are somehow okay if it is a terminal illness.
I watched a video where a woman described severe mental illness as a cancer to the mind that you cannot physically see. I thought it was a good analogy and brings up the question of why we condone suicide for physical illnesses but do not mental illnesses? Antidepressants and therapy don’t always work, like how chemo doesn’t always work for cancer patients.
An example- a famous Korean singer named JongHyun committed suicide. He left a note, “But they said I should live. I asked why so many times, but it's not for me. It's for you. I wanted to be for me. Don't say things that don't make sense.” Clearly, being told “suicide is selfish” is no help. It’s even more selfish of the loved ones to say that. There’s zero sympathy, they just want this person to stay alive because they want it. If you aren’t living with their suffering, you aren’t in a place to judge.
Also, many people with mental illnesses have a warped mind and believe they are a burden and would be doing a service to the people around them by disappearing.
You're talking to specific they're speakin on suicide in a general and more common. Of the 30% increase in suicide rate from 1999 to 2016 over half did not have mental health issues. So its not only those with an illness they're talking about the average suicide victims which over half do not half a mental health problem. Telling people that suicide isn't selfish would just further increase the rate of suicide. The reason most potential victims back out is because of the burden and pain they would cause to they're loved ones so they decide not to be "selfish".
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This would probably be the best beer commercial.
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JusReign's empathy was kinda refreshing
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1:24 David hears about restaurants 😂
damn JusReign that was some dark humor lol
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The title makes me feel like I can speak English really good
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Is Mango Lassi American... Bruh.
Arihant Jain lmao I think he meant if it was authentic Indian food or if it was an American created food like fortune cookies
Fair comment.
i laughed too lol its 100% indian but it was a funny question
@@maymay5600 nope. American made lol
The Indian guy is hot!
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Maybe people who choose to jump during the day feel so desperate and need to cal for help. That's why they make a scene instead of jumping at 2am. It's not because they arent thinking or remembering to consider others. But because they have no one close to them to talk them down. They maybe dont wwant to die and need a stranger to talk them down or maybe even stop them
Reminds me of a time I offered a depressed dude a sausage in a park. Somehow made his day without realising
sometimes it's the little things that affects us the most.
Geo and Bart look like they came out of an old fast and furious movie
I thought they talked him off as in encouraged him to jump. 😂
joe back at it again, with the controversial jokes!!
The inconvenience is much easier to understand once you consider the fact that it's an emergency just like other emergencies. Someone is not in control of a deadly situation and in need of immediate assistance. If they were lucky enough for someone else to notice and do something, the police and EMTs arrive. Just like any other emergency.
Similarly, it's like seeing a regular looking man in a reserved seat for disabled people. Don't go in hot and start arguing with him, he might have prosthetic legs you just didn't see.
I agree with Joe on one aspect. If someone had to witness someones suicide, imagine the emotional trauma that person could deal with.
leBennu that’s exactly why train conductors salaries are so high
That's actually why the Japanese government will fine the family member who commit suicide on railway.
They're being a nuisance to others, some people will be traumatized. Not only i view them as a coward, but also a garbage.
Larry Vasquez you sound like a pleasant person
@@footballgirl263 thank you :)
I kind of agree with joe only because if he had jumped off the bridge into traffic, he could have landed on someones car or in front of someones car as they're on the freeway, which would be extremely traumatizing but could have also caused traffic accidents as well.
Beer guy: Hey, want a beer?
Man: Yeah man.
JusReign is cool.
I just wanna be as strong as Geo's shirt. Them things are gonna BURST!
Yo I haven't watched JK News in ages and David looks gooooooooood
Jusreign never laughs at their jokes lmaooo
Yo they're rarely funny that's why.
"Child kidnapping" 😂😂
lmao joe said "4 feet old ladies"
Tbh I really agree with Joe towards the end. My reason is because there are people that jump in the road to get hit by a car. I feel that it’s selfish because you’re causing an inconvenience to another person when they didn’t do anything wrong. Especially with there are those people that shoot others and then kill them self after. There are so many ways to connect to people and to talk. You shouldn’t just stand on the edge of something just so someone can talk you out of it.
The way Geo describes Bart’s fart :)
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Funny that they're actually talking about this story because I live 2 blocks away from where this happen.
I’m from Minnesota, and I do not talk like that lol🤣🤣
Reminds me of that one episode of everybody hates Chris 😂
lmao i thought the beer man told him to jump off xD
I would of yelled out “do a flip!”
You know what, you guys should invite CrazyRussianHacker to JKnews
Considering the stigma around men and suicide it disappoints me every time they make jokes around it.
if you want people being pc and sensitive about topics go watch traditional news. "Just Kidding News" should not be a place where you expect complete seriousness about any topic, even one as dark as this.
I can’t believe no one understood how joe was saying, if you want to leave this world then don’t go out by possibly harming and killing other people. If you are crying out for help, do it in a way that won’t hurt others. Even if someone is in such a dark place they would still be able to know if their actions would harm another person. Obviously jumping onto an overpass could kill others. So there’s no excuse for killing yourself in situations like that. Worse than being selfish, cuz you are possibly taking someone else’s life for your own issues.
Listening to them talk about Minnesota is hilarious, I'm from North Dakota, on the other side of the nearest river is MN, sowe talk the same way lol
My grandma did this in NY. She talked a suicidal person off of a bridge near her bus stop. The city paid her
You know it’s bad when even joe says no.
If I kms Imma ATLEAST hit a few backflips off a building
I found a suicidal woman on the overpass where I work. It was a small overpass but I was still scarred for her life because no one noticed and the morning traffic is crazy. I had to stop traffic and tried to stand below her before the police came to the scene and releived us. Unfortunately she was (possibly) on drugs and did jump eventually, however a police chief later informed me that she lived from the fall.
It was on the same day as another suicide (murder?) over in Pasadena that was all over the news.
Is this the first time joes heard of suicide
he was a psych major
I feel like they are all really excited he is there lol
the way joe spoke about suicide made me so uncomfortable. I respect TF out of JK news peeps, y'all are great. but just in my opinion, as someone who has been through it and known people who have attempted, it really rubbed me the wrong way. and i saw how tiff was trying to curve what joe was saying, but damn joe. :(
The way they describe Bart's farts is always so creative. xD
I kind of get where Joe is coming from. Back when I was suicidal I planned to take measures to keep my family or an unsuspecting person from finding me so I wouldn’t cause them that potential trauma. I’d even considered ways to make it easier to clean my body up for when I had to be removed. When I was planning I put in thought to keep my dead ass from being a worse nuisance than I had to be. With all of that said however when my suicidal impulses were the strongest, mean the closest to actually attempting and completing, I truly could not give a fuck about all of that because the mental and emotional pain was so strong. So I understand Joe’s thinking because I felt the same before I came the closest I’d ever been to actually ending my life. The others are right. You really don’t have the capacity anymore to be considerate of others like you should once you reach a certain point.
How do you guys hear about these stories in my own city before me? Lol
Yayay for the Canadian talk
Are they talking about badmaash in the beginning of the video? I tried visiting that place a couple months back after E3 or AX (I forgot) when it was like 100degrees outside and they were closed! There was a sign that said it was too hot to stay open lol.
But really, it was fkin hot that day, so I don't blame them. I was excited to have some Indian Poutine that I heard about though :(
I'm with Joe. About 2 years ago on my way to work the station was blocked off because someone jumped in front of the train. Luckily I got there 5 mins after I usually do otherwise I would've been there when it happened. Still pissed me the hell off because there were a lot of young kids at the station on their way to school that saw that shit. Way to traumatize everyone.
Suicide doesn't kill people, Sadness kills them.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It may not be about cry for attention, but possibly what is the quickest and most painless option. With restricted access to guns increasing, high impact suicides might seem better to a sufferer
2:16 I saw those eyes lol
I bet you won't do it ( and he does it) oh shit I didn't really think this through 😂😂
When I hear Minnesota I feel good, when I hear Saint Paul I feel represented
Bart mentioned Hanson’s juice because he had it on Stee Bee Wee Bee’s podcast!!!! I see you!!!!
i hear news from my own city on here first lol
Im proud of Minnesota right now-
Ohhhhhh! I thought the title meant that he literally went OFF the ledge... XD
Jo started pissing me off but then I remembered it's Jo and I shouldn't expect less
awe this would have been a good article to discuss.
Whenever I'm so broke and can't afford beer that day I feel about the same.
Hahaha there’s a little bit of selfishness there!
I like how they can talk about anything but I think social convention dictates that they add the suicide hotline phone number at the end of this video
Well that took a dark turn
Be considerate of the jump times... Funny.
*I wonder what bra Geo's wearing....it's amazing!!!!*
Not to be a Dick but it's surgery, which I support get your life
Saint Paul represent!
nahh here in the east coast, or at least in new jersey the stereotype for Indians and people with middle eastern origins are stereotyped to be 7/11 owner/workers and gas station workers. obviously this is not entirely accurate, but this is what a lot of people see and think about Indians and middle eastern people in NJ
I feel like what Joe was trying to say is that the killing yourself isn’t necessary cowardly. It’s the way you do it, be considerate of other people and make sure they aren’t affected
So funny listening to him say American Indian - I know what me means, it's still funny.....
I understand Joe's point of view. Jumping into oncoming traffic can traumatise others and potentially create more problems. For example if a car swerves into the other lane to avoid being hit, that car risks a danger to others, even its self. Or even witnessing the death can be traumatic, meaning the witness has to seek psychological help for years. Potentially traumatising them for life. I don't think Joe was being ignorant. I believe being in a secluded area where you don't inconvenience others is better than traumatising hundreds for life. I just don't think that the people who are suicidal realise the effect it has on others as their minds are focused on themselves in the moment. But then again those are usually impulsive suicides.
whats the indian food place called? i cant catch what you are saying @JusReign