I just recently returned from Nepal, where I first tried out the 10F- Revelation quilt. The quilt was used in guest-houses in which the temperatures never went below 20F (I had 2 independent thermometers checking the temperature) I was wearing a good base-layer and still I was FREEZING. I was lucky to be in a closed room (no wind) on a bed and able to ask for a blanket to cover the quilt. After such cold nights I actually had to cancel my plans to explore trails that required camping, since it was evident that I couldn't rely on your quilt for temperatures under 25F. I would add the I am not a cold sleeper. Last year I camped in the Alps with a synthetic sleeping bag that had EN rating of 5C (comfort). I felt worm and comfortable during the night even when my tent was covered with a layer of frost it the morning! It took a lot of effort, time and hundreds of dollars to ensure that your quilt would arrive in time for my Nepal trip. Clearly, I was extremely disappointed and frustrated from my experiences with the Revelation quilt.
Thanks for the honest review. For 3 oz. more weight, I bought the $16 Costco down quilt which is nice and wide, not too long, and has square baffles so the 700 FP down doesn't shift. I took it down to 45 degrees testing it and I was roasting! And I'm a cold sleeper. I use the REI Flash air pad with an UL fleece blanket to keep from slipping and for warmth on my bottom. I just tuck the quilt under the pad and it stays in place.
Easy fix I did on mine. 1/8th shock cord (many colors available on amazon), take off the slide lock, tie onto one of the ends of the existing cord, pull through carefully, done! Now your quilt has a stretchy neck section.
Yeah I thought about it after I made this video and that's exactly what I did. It didn't really bother me that much, it was just one of those little things I thought I should mention. I think enlightened equipment has elastic cord around the neck now anyway. Thanks for the comment😁
I completely agree, as it bothered me as well. Such a little thing, but trying to get to sleep with it bugging me was enough to want to change it. Funny thing, now I dont even use the cord and just tuck it all around my neck, hah! :)
I think with horizontal baffles the down tends to shift to the sides of your body where there is a vertical drop. There is also less down per baffle to hinder its movement and less material for the feathers to travel across and thus less friction. It's just physics, even though they are feathers and seem inconsequential they still have a mass and cause resistance. So with the opposite being true in every respect for the vertical baffles, which run relatively flat along your entire body, there are a lot more forces to keep the feathers in place.
That's a good point. I think it also depends on The width of the baffle. And how well each baffle is stuffed with down. Longer higher volume vertical baffles give the down more space to compress to a relative density. Whereas horizontal baffles tend to be smaller and have less volume not allowing the down to compress to that same density. Not sure if all this really matters. I think it also depends on what type of sleeper you are and if you toss and turn a lot in your sleep. With this quilt i've noticed the down tends to migrate into the foot box area. Plus there is no way to migrate the down by hand from underneath the quilt to the top of the quilt. So when the quilt is wrapped around you the down that you're laying on stays there and it's pretty much useless. Haha this is too much quilt theory in one comment. Maybe Diagonal baffles? Interesting thought thanks for the comment!
Late to the party here but came across your vid and can't help but spew this info filling my head. First vertical baffles are not at fault here. They do address the issue of down falling to the sides in horizontal baffles very well, but the overall volume of a baffle is equally important. So in this instance the vertical baffle will counteract the down falling out to the sides, but because these are such gigantic continuous vertical baffles that literally leave an uninterrupted space all the way from the top to bottom, across the footbox and back up, the down can then easily shift vertically. The ideal scenario is vertical baffles split into reasonable sizes...such as I use in my Timmermade vertical baffle systems.....in my opinion. Also, the reason this item flattens out under tension is not due to the baffles being vertical, but due to the lack of a differential cut. Horizontal baffles without one will do the exact same thing. A differential cut is when the inner and outer shells are different widths so that when you pull on the ends of the item or press against the shell from the inside, the tension is received by the smaller shell and the other shell is left loose so that the down has remains lofted in that space. Personally, the only time i would build anything without a diff cut is if it's an item that is never going to wrap around or be under tension. Otherwise it's really easy to smoosh all your fill. Lastly, any down filled item should have some amount of "overstuff", which is a little extra to help fill any empty spaces that might open up and compensate for future loss of loft. To be fair, all of these things involve much more time and money to create and this is why EE's stuff is so affordable. Ok, i feel better now.
Thanks for the review. Your review is one of the very few that shows a non-inflated sleeping pad. I wish you would have addressed this fact in some detail as I am looking for information about using this quilt with a z-lite sleeping pad. Still, a solid review of this quilt -thank you.
Thanks. I don't really find a lot of difference between a Zlite and an inflatable pad. The only thing is the quilt straps can bow the pad a little. Other than that it works fine. I've used a zlite with this quilt many times. Hope this helps😀
You definitely got the wtong size. Reg length version, and Wide to eliminate the verticle baffles from compressing. Very helpful video for sizing, thanks.
I don't get it. If you had ordered the widest size instead of the one you have, it doesn't seem to me like the vertical baffles would flatten out. Enjoyed the review though. So many of these UA-cam reviewers use a product once and then do a review...of course, you don't see all the issues unless you've used it many times over all four seasons...and then no one knows either what the ultimate quality is until you've had it a while. So thanks!
Thanks for the info on the baffles. Just learned something new. I am 5'11" and think I would like the long. My first bag was a regular and I like to pull the edges up by my ears. With the regular size my feet were jammed at the bottom. My new bag is a sierra design back country bed and there is no zipper you slide in from the top and it has a blanket type top with little or no insulation on the bottom. It is like a quilt with a zipper up the bottom. It is a long so I don't bunch up at the feet. Since you go in from the top my guess to use in a hammock you would put it on like pants then get in the hammock. Not very convenient. I wonder how many sleep systems you go through to get it right? Thanks again for the info. Bruce from the city of orange in orange county calif.
Interesting, never heard of a bag with no zipper. Some people love the vertical baffles. I don't find much different between vertical and horizontal baffles. Although, it may depend what type of sleeper you are, and your body shape. I like quilts in all weather but winter. The draft issue can be a pain at 0*. Enlightened equipment has made some updates to this series of quilts. They are a very innovative company and I would highly recommend them (I don't work for, or have any affiliation with them). Thanks for watching and the comment😀
The enigma has a sewn closed foot box and the revelation has a foot box that can be opened up. It goes from a sleeping bag to a blanket shape. Enlightened equipment may have changed some things since I bought mine so you may want to check their websit. Thanks for watching!
Great job! Very informative video. I am considering purchasing this exact size and colour. Please let me know if I can purchase yours from you so that you can buy one in your size. Thanks again!
Thanks for the offer! I think I'm gonna hang on to it since their wait time is sooo long for a new one. It would likely be mid summer by the time I got another one. Again, thanks for the offer and thanks for watching!
The foot box measures 18" for the long wide version. You may want to check with enlightened equipment as they may have changed some things since I bought this quilt. Thanks for watching 😀
Useful review. Just to say that you can easily replace the top draw-cord with elastic - just tie them together and draw the new cord through.
Thanks, already did😀
I just recently returned from Nepal, where I first tried out the 10F- Revelation quilt.
The quilt was used in guest-houses in which the temperatures never went below 20F (I had 2 independent thermometers checking the temperature)
I was wearing a good base-layer and still I was FREEZING.
I was lucky to be in a closed room (no wind) on a bed and able to ask for a blanket to cover the quilt.
After such cold nights I actually had to cancel my plans to explore trails that required camping, since it was evident that I couldn't rely on your quilt for temperatures under 25F.
I would add the I am not a cold sleeper. Last year I camped in the Alps with a synthetic sleeping bag that had EN rating of 5C (comfort).
I felt worm and comfortable during the night even when my tent was covered with a layer of frost it the morning!
It took a lot of effort, time and hundreds of dollars to ensure that your quilt would arrive in time for my Nepal trip.
Clearly, I was extremely disappointed and frustrated from my experiences with the Revelation quilt.
Thanks for the honest review. For 3 oz. more weight, I bought the $16 Costco down quilt which is nice and wide, not too long, and has square baffles so the 700 FP down doesn't shift. I took it down to 45 degrees testing it and I was roasting! And I'm a cold sleeper. I use the REI Flash air pad with an UL fleece blanket to keep from slipping and for warmth on my bottom. I just tuck the quilt under the pad and it stays in place.
As an fyi, EE has all quilts in the 4 most popular temps and sizes are available for immediate shipment. Great products!
Thank you SO much for this review. Complete, honest and so much helpful.
Thanks for watching😀
Easy fix I did on mine. 1/8th shock cord (many colors available on amazon), take off the slide lock, tie onto one of the ends of the existing cord, pull through carefully, done! Now your quilt has a stretchy neck section.
Yeah I thought about it after I made this video and that's exactly what I did. It didn't really bother me that much, it was just one of those little things I thought I should mention. I think enlightened equipment has elastic cord around the neck now anyway. Thanks for the comment😁
I completely agree, as it bothered me as well. Such a little thing, but trying to get to sleep with it bugging me was enough to want to change it. Funny thing, now I dont even use the cord and just tuck it all around my neck, hah! :)
Yeah same here,I usually don't cinch it tight unless it's really cold😁
I think with horizontal baffles the down tends to shift to the sides of your body where there is a vertical drop. There is also less down per baffle to hinder its movement and less material for the feathers to travel across and thus less friction. It's just physics, even though they are feathers and seem inconsequential they still have a mass and cause resistance. So with the opposite being true in every respect for the vertical baffles, which run relatively flat along your entire body, there are a lot more forces to keep the feathers in place.
That's a good point. I think it also depends on The width of the baffle. And how well each baffle is stuffed with down. Longer higher volume vertical baffles give the down more space to compress to a relative density. Whereas horizontal baffles tend to be smaller and have less volume not allowing the down to compress to that same density. Not sure if all this really matters. I think it also depends on what type of sleeper you are and if you toss and turn a lot in your sleep. With this quilt i've noticed the down tends to migrate into the foot box area. Plus there is no way to migrate the down by hand from underneath the quilt to the top of the quilt. So when the quilt is wrapped around you the down that you're laying on stays there and it's pretty much useless. Haha this is too much quilt theory in one comment. Maybe Diagonal baffles? Interesting thought thanks for the comment!
Late to the party here but came across your vid and can't help but spew this info filling my head. First vertical baffles are not at fault here. They do address the issue of down falling to the sides in horizontal baffles very well, but the overall volume of a baffle is equally important. So in this instance the vertical baffle will counteract the down falling out to the sides, but because these are such gigantic continuous vertical baffles that literally leave an uninterrupted space all the way from the top to bottom, across the footbox and back up, the down can then easily shift vertically. The ideal scenario is vertical baffles split into reasonable sizes...such as I use in my Timmermade vertical baffle systems.....in my opinion. Also, the reason this item flattens out under tension is not due to the baffles being vertical, but due to the lack of a differential cut. Horizontal baffles without one will do the exact same thing. A differential cut is when the inner and outer shells are different widths so that when you pull on the ends of the item or press against the shell from the inside, the tension is received by the smaller shell and the other shell is left loose so that the down has remains lofted in that space. Personally, the only time i would build anything without a diff cut is if it's an item that is never going to wrap around or be under tension. Otherwise it's really easy to smoosh all your fill. Lastly, any down filled item should have some amount of "overstuff", which is a little extra to help fill any empty spaces that might open up and compensate for future loss of loft. To be fair, all of these things involve much more time and money to create and this is why EE's stuff is so affordable. Ok, i feel better now.
Thanks for the review. Your review is one of the very few that shows a non-inflated sleeping pad. I wish you would have addressed this fact in some detail as I am looking for information about using this quilt with a z-lite sleeping pad. Still, a solid review of this quilt -thank you.
Thanks. I don't really find a lot of difference between a Zlite and an inflatable pad. The only thing is the quilt straps can bow the pad a little. Other than that it works fine. I've used a zlite with this quilt many times. Hope this helps😀
Made some great points. Thanks for the review!
You definitely got the wtong size. Reg length version, and Wide to eliminate the verticle baffles from compressing. Very helpful video for sizing, thanks.
I'm actually glad I got the large. It allows me to use it as an over quilt to a sleeping bag for deep winter. Thanks for watching 😀
I don't get it. If you had ordered the widest size instead of the one you have, it doesn't seem to me like the vertical baffles would flatten out. Enjoyed the review though.
So many of these UA-cam reviewers use a product once and then do a review...of course, you don't see all the issues unless you've used it many times over all four seasons...and then no one knows either what the ultimate quality is until you've had it a while. So thanks!
Nce the long size is nice for burrowing in it kind of a nice luxury to have
Thanks for the info on the baffles. Just learned something new. I am 5'11" and think I would like the long. My first bag was a regular and I like to pull the edges up by my ears. With the regular size my feet were jammed at the bottom. My new bag is a sierra design back country bed and there is no zipper you slide in from the top and it has a blanket type top with little or no insulation on the bottom. It is like a quilt with a zipper up the bottom. It is a long so I don't bunch up at the feet. Since you go in from the top my guess to use in a hammock you would put it on like pants then get in the hammock. Not very convenient. I wonder how many sleep systems you go through to get it right? Thanks again for the info. Bruce from the city of orange in orange county calif.
Interesting, never heard of a bag with no zipper. Some people love the vertical baffles. I don't find much different between vertical and horizontal baffles. Although, it may depend what type of sleeper you are, and your body shape. I like quilts in all weather but winter. The draft issue can be a pain at 0*. Enlightened equipment has made some updates to this series of quilts. They are a very innovative company and I would highly recommend them (I don't work for, or have any affiliation with them). Thanks for watching and the comment😀
Great review. Perhaps you mention it......do you have 10D or 20D ripstop nylon?
Good review. I'm really wondering what the difference is between the Enigma and the Revelation if you can help me out with that? Thank you so much!
The enigma has a sewn closed foot box and the revelation has a foot box that can be opened up. It goes from a sleeping bag to a blanket shape. Enlightened equipment may have changed some things since I bought mine so you may want to check their websit. Thanks for watching!
Great job! Very informative video. I am considering purchasing this exact size and colour. Please let me know if I can purchase yours from you so that you can buy one in your size. Thanks again!
Thanks for the offer! I think I'm gonna hang on to it since their wait time is sooo long for a new one. It would likely be mid summer by the time I got another one. Again, thanks for the offer and thanks for watching!
Hey man, what's the color and fabric u used 4 your outer shell? Thanks in advance :)
I believe it was hunter green 10d and black 10d
what stuff sack sack did you use?
It was the stuff sack that came with the quilt.
how wide is it at the foot box..Thanks
The foot box measures 18" for the long wide version. You may want to check with enlightened equipment as they may have changed some things since I bought this quilt. Thanks for watching 😀
Body cold? Wear a hat. Wait not sure that makes sense🤨😂