Dangers of Being A Boxer in Ancient China
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One thing I noticed from those old photos is, they were jacked! Unlike the skinny or out of shape kung fu guys you see nowadays.
This was something I was looking into, trying to figure out what they were doing and eating to be like that. As they had similar figures to body builders in the Bronze Age. Not exactly but similar, bc they were a bit smaller than the Bronze Age BB.
@@yourdaisihing4715 They probably trained with stone locks, and ate plenty of protein.
In general, soft styles require hard bodies, or for most styles of kung fu if the practicioners take conditioning seriously and obviously pressure testing many kung fu styles including tai chi become highly effective.
The irony is some of the most brutal kung fu styles, ((Tai chi)) now have the most timid veneers, probably the effect of trying to tame them down and fly under the radar of the scurge of the Chinese cultural revolution
My opinion would be communism destroyed diet. Remember how many people died under the communist government .
Really same can be said about English take over of India.
Many healthy people became ill because of the amount of food they received. I believe one example they worked hard and needed 2000cal a day but they received 1000cal a day for whole family.
@@richardhenry1969 By the time the communist took over, China had already been devastated by foreign invasions, a revolution, a civil war, then WWII, then Civil war again. Can't blame it all on the communist.
They were known as boxers back then . As in the Boxers Rebellion. So, his use of terminology is correct.
Are the Boxers in the Boxer rebellion, the same people who fought on the lei tais?
@@MbisonBalrog Boxers is the term for a person who practiced martial arts
@@MbisonBalrog Yes, they are. In the Boxer Rebellion they didn't like Europeans exploiting their country so they attacked visitors to China and beat them in the street. This drove trade down and forced a crackdown hence sparking the boxer rebellion.
@@RyookenEuropeans flooding opium into China getting 1 in 10 people addicted. Unfair trade agreements and seeing 99% of your Asian neighbor countries getting colonized and exploited......that tends to drive paranoia,anger and conflict.
Fun fact more Americans died in Vietnam war,both golf wars,Afghan war and the Korean war combined. Lol
@@MbisonBalrogboxer is just a generic english term for unarmed martial arts.
I wish The Boxer's Rebellion was a success. China and kung fu would get the credit and respect they deserve
They brough fists and swords to a gun and cannon fight.
@@user-ew5pv1bd9qYeah, there was little else they could have done.
They can always prove themselves in the ufc today.
@@user-ew5pv1bd9q I know but if they had a more John Woo mentality they couldve done more. The culture of the people is almost gone because the Boxers lost and the invaders won
Would have been discredited during the cultural revolution anyways
"Ancient" China and you're probably talking about people and events in the 19th Century.
lol, still an interesting video though
Sounds like ancient gangs. Jet Li’s “ Once upon a time in China” made Mr Wong Fe Hong seem like a ancient Malcolm X
Old school kung fu must have been crazy
it was
yeah back then they really trained. really trained. like they had all day. and had real ancient hidden techniques and knowledge
@@burningknuckle26sure buddy
@@burningknuckle26 yeah not like now.. they just do form and call it a day
@@burningknuckle26I hate when people call techniques words like “ancient” and “hidden,” makes it sound like the propaganda kung fu schools today use. There definitely were some effective stuff back in those days though
They all look jacked ! The photos of the sifu arr obviously when they are very old 🙄 much respect 🙏
Keep practice and train for life, and you too will make progress.
Good luck.
Boxing in China is similar to duels with pistols in the west and fencing in Europe. "Hello, my name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
This is true, and if anybody would watch a lot of old school 70s to 90s "kung fu" movies would know all this, because these movies were largely historical and\or period pieces. This was the age of The Five Deadly Venoms, and The Kid With The Golden Arms. Lets not forget The Victim. Snake in the Crane's Shadow, The Hot, The Cool and The Viscious, and just about any Raymond Chow, or Shaw Bros/Run Run Shaw movie.
“Ancient China”
I can tell this video was very thoroughly researched.
Subbed. This is badass
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Now, I know why my dad refuses to be my trainer...😅
The name Boxer Rebellion comes from the Yìhéquán which means Fists of justice and harmony. quán is translated as Boxer but this is a false translation. quán means just a fist. The meaning of fist in China indicates that something or someone is associated with warriors. Manny kung fu shools have quán in their name.
Interesting what you say about the boxer rebellion,. I think by now the term boxer is quite a good name because it really does denote Chinese kung fu completely. Particularly in historical context. To just say martial artist or kung fu exponent is less elegant. What are you views on this, what you think would be the most appropriate terminology?
@@Jamesnebula No not really many say that kung fu hast lots of punching and kicking which is not really true but not false either. When you look at "modern traditional Kung fu" Kung fu is thaught as a striking system while historical kung fu really isnt. Its a Grappling system, with kicks and punches involved. Historical Kung fu is much like the old Japanese Ju jutsu. Kung fu started as jacket wrestling called shuai jiao (looks a lot like Judo). There are also joint locking techniques which are called Chin na (which look a lot like Aikido and judo). Judo and Aikido developed late as a sportification of japanese ju jutsu styles which is very funny because kung fu started at that point as stated earlyer.
If you look at most kung fu forms they just dont make sense and dont work as a striking system, because all of it is Grappling.
Yes there are "Quan pu" which most people translate as "boxing manual" but if you look at the litteral meaning which is fist method, you will see that Mandarin is really whacky.
(cries in Cantonese which hasnt even a standatised western writing method).
If you look those quan pu up you will see that things are translated as Punches and throws, but if you combine them you will get a takedown.
and to be honest, most kung fu styles where developed in more ancient times.
would you Punch someone in the face who has a helmet made out of iron on his head?
my guess is that with the term quan which translates to fist, a clenched hand is meant which could indicate that something is being grappled.
@@Jamesnebula sorry for my english, it is not my native language.
@@horstnasenblut8364Everything you said is incorrect, kung fu has many techniques of kicks and fists and it is also a lie that kung fu evolved from shuai jiao, in fact in the time before Christ other forms of fighting that involved leg techniques were already practiced. and fists and were practiced together with the shuai jiaos
So nothing about beeing eradicated by the government cause the style was too influential or endagering the police force for public order? Or getting molested by the underworld or the government cause they want you to teach? A lot of strong boxers were in a way working for the palace or else killed. What about only able to work in some security/bodyguard companys to accompany merchants and not having comfortable fight camps like today? Most of the dangers back then might still be the same. A lot of the ufc guys do not have happy endings they either die or end up as vegetables after getting their head split open or body parts destroyed. I can imagine that you could have come up with more, if you took your time to explore. Like beeing exposed to strange drugs in kung fu sects that make you crazy etc.
Most ufc guys do not die or end up as vegetables. This is objectively false
Edit: they actually all die, but not from fighting. Everyone just dies in general
Hummm.....going this far back in Chinese Martial Arts Culture; U have to realise there were a Lot of Gossip, hearsays and exaggerated myths.....(No Radio/TV/ UA-cam, Etc.)
But; a fair insight into this time; say 100 to 120 years ago; when it was still compulsory to wear a "Cue"....would be the Well Financed Drama Series With Shannon Lee; at the Helm;
"Warrior"..........There R now; 03 Series out on release; I believe....
However; having filtered a lot these:- "Myths;" the following do still hold a lot of Water.....
The "One Inch Punch"; The Vibration Palm and Dim Mak. (Pressure Points Attacks; 點穴 ).....Do Pop-Up in Real Life from time-to-time.....
Once; declared as: 'Hocus-Pocus'; can Now be Proven to be Very Potent Endeavours indeed by Modern Scientific Recording Methods.....
As for Mind-Altering Narcotics; that is been around for a Long; long time; in many Cultures.....
See: Reference to the Queens Madness in the Movie...."Curse of the Golden Flower" with Gong Li.
As for ufc Guys; well;.....late 20th Century Training & Nutrition methods; and the influence of Say; "Schwarzenegger" (Who of Course was using:- "Anabolic" Substances...); have enhanced Strength and Muscle-Mass; But Gung Fu was never really Just about Muscle Bulk and Brute Strength.....
An Art is an Art.....Always; 'Ethereal' in it's definition....
Final; [Correct] Word to PaMuShin; though.....Away from the Lime-Light and Hoo-Ha-Ha; I have seen Ex-Tough Guys Fighters.....that End Up "Drooling" Zombies all Twisted-Up
in Wheelchairs! Living in Very Low-Rent Accommodation...
U may OR may NOT have heard of the case of:- "Michael Watson" way back in 1991. And the U.K. has Some of the Finest Medics in the World.
He was very Luck to have Survived at all!
@@garychin5321no he is right. The government killed them. And that’s where I thought this would
Be going.
We don’t know the true of the past bc they were killed out and left with a feminine version of the art
@@garychin5321 About chinese wild history i know.
The vibrating palm sounds interesting, so far i did not knew it. I only knew the power of tremor like it is played by some southern styles like bak mei or in chen taiji.
A lot of these special or high level techniques are not bullshit, but might not be able to get realized by everyone, cause a lot of times a very broad knowledge is needed to copy them.
Gung Fu and strength, well buddha gave an order back in the day that it is forbidden to bodybuilding muscles, cause it is a waste of resources, so the monks found different ways to apply power even if starved. But anabolic substances are known a long time ago. Ginseng root is a steroid and some of the receipts of the monks are containing natural steroids like tribulus terrestris too, which are now a days even cultivated for bodybuilders.
Concerning of the fighters you are right, but this made buddha clear too, he was always against training martial arts cause meditation is more powerful and fighting might be good in beginning but bad in the middle and at the end. meaning that a lot of people seek revenge for destroyed lives and usually fighters damage themselves very bad and that always. Coming from a Kshatriya family, he probably knew all too well.
By the way. Thanks for the movie recommendations and the vibrating palms. If you know of more special techniques or some indice feel free to tell me.
Ive been in the arts for 30 years. The only thing that could be sort of classified as a Drug... is "Dit Da Jow" iron fist lineament. If you have any swelling, you rub a few drops into the area... and in less than 5 minutes flat, all swelling, redness, and any trace of injury... is Gone. Its absolutely amazing stuff... made from all-natural ingredients. They put the organics into a vat of Alcohol, and over the course of 1 year of aging... new compounds form into the solution.
Modern Scientists have done test.. comparing synthetic versions of Jow's, with traditional aged Jow's... and the differences were staggering. There were hundreds of different new compounds that formed in the Traditional Jow's... where as the synthetics, had none (and doesnt work for Sh*T, as a result).
One thing I read about... which may of may not be true... was the use of Poison being rubbed into ones hands. So that, when you struck someone... the poison would effect them. According to the book... it said that the practitioners in this method, needed to expose themselves gradually to the poison.. and I believe they also used antidotes, quickly afterwards. Its been a long time since Ive read that.. so the details are fuzzy, and may be partially incorrect (in addition, might also be fake, too).
Poison being used on the edges of Weapons, is certainly most probable. And being that the Chinese had extensive knowledge of herbal compound effects... they likely could have whipped up some real Nasty stuff. Obviously, poisoning of food and water, were also an issue. I believe some have also used poison in the form of a powder, blown into the face / eyes of the OP, too.
I think one of the more shocking things to learn from the same book, was the possible use of Lead, and Mercury. I believe some of them might have used Lead, in the Iron-Fist wall bags. As for Mercury... some were said to have been feeding it to the Emperor, believing that it would extend his life. Of course, that might have been an intentional poisoning effort.. on.. might both be just bad rumors. I read / heard, that it caused the Emperor to slowly go Crazy.
Getting struck by someone with Masterclass level Fajin strikes (Dim Mak), of course, can cause internal ruptures... and either be a slow and painful deth... or an Instant one.. depending on where you strike, and how much mass-energy you choose to put into it.
I designed a way for masters to safely beat other masters.
You should share it.I see no virtue in being over secretive in martial arts.
bro invented rulesets and sparring gear
Wow nice! This channel is worth watching ❤
Pesquise sobre o campeonato nacional de 1928 do qual foram eleitos os 5 tigres do Norte (inclusive Gu Ru Zhang) que foram designados para ensinar no sul da China. Como eram essas lutas ?
Could have talked about being a bodyguard or working for an escort service
That was going to be a separate video but ATM currently looking for more books that shows more occupations people could take up, but work has been killing me making it hard to make videos. latest vid was just a 3 hr one and done.
Not ANCIENT China, that would be 500 to 1000 years ago. About a hundred years ago might be called early modern China.
I’ll show you Chinese boxing
Chinese boxing!! 😁
@@raksh9 Movement number 4, Dragon seeks path, Dragon whips its tail!
1. Trying to take on a guy with a gun in a fistfight
Probably what's happened back then when communist vs shaolin. They know they're outmatched, that's why they bring gun in fist fight against those monk.
What a coward
I want to know more about those crazy long braids they wore
They were called a ," qeue " mandatory by the Government who ruled . If you cut it off , it was a sign of rebelling against the government, and you would be punished , considered a traitor ! After the fall of the last Dynasty , the wearing of the long braided ponytail was no longer enforced on all males !....😊
Ancient China? This is late 19th century
Lol, I knew it. I just posted a comment saying the same thing. This is all recent history in a broad context.
Just posted a similar comment before reading yours haha. Glad I’m not the only one who spotted that.
I agree 100 %.
Is there actual historical evidence of these "boxers" killing each other and lei tai fighting? Like news clippings of events.
Yes
@@lyfe_of_lai can you point to me?
@@MbisonBalrogcan you read Mandarin?
@@SoldierAndrew no do you have English translation?
From 2:52 😅 why did u kill my teacher ....😅😅
Are you sure some of those pics of people without the Queue hair cuts not Mongol, and Manchu wrestlers?
WONG FEI HUNG
There are chunky masters who get ill.
Unless u r mike tyson , otherwise its dangerous to be a boxer in china
Instead of calling boxers, you should call them "Martial Artists"
Pues en occidente de se les dio ese nombre
@randomme Boxing is a martial art so it is a relative term anyway.
FIGHTERS, COMBATANTS, WARRIORS,...
Western called them boxers.
Not entirely accurate because martial means military
I hope they were better then then they are now. Xu Xaidong has been mopping the floor with these guys. During the Boxer Rebellion they found out their Iron Shirt training didn't apply to bullets.
- I highly suggest then to watch monkey steals the peach "Did the Chinese government eradicate Kung Fu?" as I was going to make a similar video about this topic, but bc he made it first I didn't want to do the same thing. link here - ua-cam.com/video/-8x_M6O2oHg/v-deo.html
- I also heard that before to, and tried to convince other boxers that they can train to make their Iron shirt strong enough to take on bullets.
The problem with Xu is that he thinks beating old Kung fu "masters" with arthritis proves that Kung Fu is an ineffective combat system.. Most youtubers nowadays try to gain viewers by uploading clips or videos where the Asian guy gets beaten up by fighters from other combat systems, and that same Asian guy is said to be a Kung fu "master".. without any proper evidence or proof, u can't just call literally anyone a master lol.. worst part is ppl are foolish enough to even believe in such nonsense vids.. Xu exposing fake Kung fu masters is one thing but him mocking Kung fu and calling it ineffective in general is not right.. If this is the case, the why not challenge actual legit Kung fu fighters like Ehsan Shafiq (deceased) or Pierre Flores rather than challenging those so called kung fu "masters"?
@@blazingdragon9607 Xu has a traditional background himself. There would be no point in challenging kung fu practitioners who engage in realistic training practices. Realistic training practices and athleticism are 90% of it and the name of the style doesn't matter at that point
@@uexkeru That and all is fine but man literally mocks Kung Fu as a whole.. now he has my respect for exposing fake masters but calling the entire system fake is just stupidity.. good Kung fu practitioners exist too
@@blazingdragon9607 The thing is... How can you tell whom is a "Fake" ? Just because you might be able to beat a Teacher, does not make the Information that they teach... Invalid. This is the problem I have with someone like Him. I personally believe he is a CCP hired Shill, designed to discredit the Traditional Chinese combat arts, so that the Youth no longer learn + train them. Similar to Gracie Scammers... that kept labeling all of their fake-fights... as going up against various "Masters". None of those dudes, were anywhere close to being a Master... and all were very easily identified as being completely Inept / Clueless. But it was to serve the same purpose... to brainwash the ignorant Youth. Its also why they removed all of the striking out of Jujitsu... and re-branded it as their own art.
Im pretty certain that If I had to fight against all 3 of my former Teachers... I could have defeated them all. Not because what they taught me was trash / Fake... but because I trained and developed myself to a much higher physical level... As well as sparred heavy/full contact, regularly against other arts artists.
Anyway... The only way to really know if something works well or not... is to learn, master, and test each thing out.. yourself. If people go around beating each other up... trying to prove something... they are going to end up losing very valuable combat knowledge, that took millions of man hours, and thousands of years of highly functional evolution.
Not everyone can be Fit, forever. And some may never be Combat capable... due to various reasons. But, the knowledge they provide, can still be valid for someone to actually become highly effective in actual combat.
Now... if someone is showing actual Fake techniques, that are easily disproven physically... thats a whole other thing. Heck, there are many Wing Chun schools that tell their students to have some weight over the Lead leg. Only follow that advice, if you dont mind getting a broken leg... due to the OP kicking it, LONG before you can de-weight and move it out of the way. That said... even their schools have many things of value to be learned. Its just a few corruptions like that... which can cause major issues in combat functionality.
Muay Thai style conditioning and even worse would be rather common place in ancient china. However meat would be very expensive likely reserved for the wealthy. I would say at best they can eat meat once a week if they are rich enough.
Title: boxer in Ancient China
Thumbnail and pics in video: Chinese martial artists from the 18th century.
Make it make sense.
"Chinese boxing" was a common term to refer to Gongfu back in the days. In Gongfu culture, "boxing" refers to ALL ranges of combat, not just hands.
Should I stop the name on wong fei hung... or wong fei hung hoo hee. .
Chinese Gladiator
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Chinese boxer. A true oxymoron
They still look skinny to me. People are way more jacked today. Come on with the BS
Calling Chinese Martial Artists, Warriors, Soldiers, Fighters, Combatants,... "Boxers" was and still is as ignorant as when back then and till today the Native Americans were and are called "Indians". Which is very well known to be something that came about from the ignorance of those like Christopher Columbus when they first came to America but were looking for India.
They weren't calling all of those people boxers, and you can be a boxer and all of those things so they aren't mutually exclusive. They called it Chinese boxing and the people that did it boxers because it resembled boxing as boxing used to have broader meaning and sometimes still does e.g. French boxing includes kicks, throws, weapons, self-defence, and at the time forms and moral teachings.
not the same. while I agree, it's wrong to call Native Americans, "Indians", the word "boxing" generally referred to fighting competition in general, whereas today, it's more associated with pugilisism.
The bruce lee teachers can hit the horse and the horse die, Because The bruce lee teachers use the iron palm boxer, the best iron palm in china,danger boxer from china. 👍👍👍
Do you think your wu tang sword can defeat me?
Aye yo, Wu-Tang forever
Who rhyme better?
We too clever, the boom bap's back, harder than ever
R.I.P. O.D.B
Coming through like Killa Bee
Ever since I heard Enter the 36 in '93
Chinese people should bring back that epic manchu hairstyle for men!
andrew tate before andrew tate
not even close?
Because of imperialism and foreign control, china nearly lost their rich history of martial arts that is useful in a fight. Now most of the arts has been watered down and is no different than spritual yoga classes. If it wasnt for the ups and downs of the chinese government then chinese martial artists would have empathize the importance of sparring and efficiency in close combat including shuai jiao. China does have wrestling in their kung fu ancient history but modern china likes to pretend it doesnt exist in favor of wushu or tai chi.
Kung-Fu basically 90 percent of the moments are wrestling based
"Imperialism and foreign control?" Really? Racist much?
Pretty Ignorant post. Ive trained in the Chinese arts for 30 years. Ive sparred heavy / full contact against many different arts, regularly.. including Muay Thai, Karate, Kickboxers, TKD, and Modern MMA fighters. Ive never had any issue, defeating any of these blackbelt level fighters. Some of the most Challenging, Scary, and Brutal fighters that Ive ever encountered... have had some Chinese arts training under them.
The problem isnt the arts themselves. The problem is Lazy modern practitioners. I was training 4 to +8hrs, every single day, for a solid 5 years, before I eased up. By that time, I reached Masterclass level output (Flawless techniques, with Lethal output Potentials). At one point I was training some private students, in my Attic. The problem, is that no matter how I explained things... and pleaded with them... I could not get them to train outside of classes. Even IN class, they were clearly never putting in 110%. Eventually, I decided to stop teaching... because of this. Its extremely rare, to find someone that is dedicated enough, to push themselves anywhere near Masterclass level of potentials.
Heck, even the MMA fighter I had over, couldnt even keep up with my 1hr Core workout pace.. struggled in pain to do a few slow-motion bare-knuckle pushups, couldnt hit the sandbags with half as much power... and was tailing off his efforts after only 5 minutes (my sessions range from 15 min, to 1hr sessions), and never returned after our 4 hr session... because it clearly was way too much Brutal work for him... compared to the Ease of his Sportized training in MMA schools.
Chinese Wrestling? You do realize, that grappling methods, are the most TAME thing that combat arts do... right ?! You clearly have never taken a hit from an Internal Arts master. I mastered short range Fajin expression (explosive power). I used to KO disrespectful fighters, using my mostly extended LEAD guard hand... via a Vertical fist punch to their foreheads. I used less than 6 inches of travel, and never used more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering, to do this. I dropped 4 Blackbelt level fighters, the exact same way. 3 of them were from the same Jujitsu school, at their Open-House sparring event. The other fighter, was trained in Kook Sul Wan (Korean hybrid) and Capoeira.
Back in my Peak... I only needed 2 inches of runway, to END someone. Of course, I was never going to prove that.. outside of the KO level forces, as its completely Immoral. Ive also had the pleasure, of taking the same kind of strike, from a Master that was even more powerful than myself...
I took on of his actual one inch punches (not +3", and no Pre-Pullback scammery), to my chest. I barely moved. Maybe took a single half step backwards, mostly because of the shock and pain that I felt... causing me to lose track of my footing for a moment. I felt the shockwave of energy hit the internal front-face of my SPINE... and I was actually terrified that it might actually Snap my spine. Luckily, I survived it. Right afterwards.. I felt unbearable pains. The pains were as if someone had poured gas on me, and lit my chest on Fire. The pains were in the shape and volume of like a soccer ball.. within the chest area of my body. These Burning pains, lasted just shy of 4 hours long. The pains were so bad.. that I had to sit as still as possible, and even breathing too deeply.. caused the pain levels to increase.. even worse. As a result, I had to force myself to take the most shallow of breaths, to try to reduce the level of pains that I was experiencing.
Here is the thing... that Fajin hit, was from a mere inch, and through a semi-protective (absorbent) 3" thick phone book. At two inches, I dont think Id have survived to be able to tell the tale... as every inch in distance, multiplies the impact potentials in output (Its not Linear). Im no cream puff, either. I had done many years of hardcore Iron Body conditioning... so Im used to getting hit hard, and it never really phasing me. I also had tons of heavy / full contact sparring, against many fighters that were nearly 2x my own mass and strength. In fact, I once ate a sidekick so powerful, that it launched me like +12 feet away.. and caused micro-fractures in my Sternum. But that kick, was babys play, compared to the Inch punch, from a true Internalist Master. Thats the true power of the Chinese arts, most especially found in arts like Tai Chi. The Push demos, are just that.. demos for show. The real deal, isnt as pretty... and its pretty dangerous... which is why you rarely see Impact Demos.
Also... FYI - Tai Chi has a lot of Grappling (Chi-Na, and Throws) within it. Its a complete combat art, with all ranges of combat... including like +10 different weapons. However, being thrown or locked, is the thing you should fear the least. If the Tai Chi player had developed masterclass level Fajin.. all its going to take is a single short range strike.. to End you... (and well before any grappler can even try to play a grapple game with them).
"foreign control2 wtf are u on?
most chinese martial arts developed during the middle and end of the Qing dynasty - I.e foreign rulers from manchuria and contact with europeans
What a pointless video