Can the Swans be stopped? Is there any hope left for the Saints & Lions? The Monday Means Test - SEN
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Gerard Whateley and David King are here with ALL the analysis from Round 11, only on SEN!
0:00 The effect of one player
4:14 The issue with the Saints
12:48 The Hawks are learning
15:37 Pressure mounting on the Lions
21:31 Geelong's four-game slide
25:30 The brilliance of the Giants
26:55 The spectacle of Dreamtime
31:05 The Optus Stadium turf
31:40 Unpacking Carlton v Gold Coast
35:17 The Swans play a beautiful game
39:21 Unpacking Fremantle v Collingwood
43:43 Seedings
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A mate of mine went to the GWS v Saints game in Canberra, via the Albury livestock sale yards. The Saints president was there looking at the donkeys going to the knackery.
Don't blame him I'd rather look at donkeys than watch a saints game
Don’t have skin in the game but looks to me like Brett Ratten is the unwarranted punching bag of the coaching fraternity. Doesn’t seem very fair to him.
Agreed. Glad he got the sack though, more than happy to have him back at Hawthorn.
I'm not a Dogs fan but I'm really glad Ed Richards is getting the attention he's deserved for some time. He's been under-rated for some time now.
When an umpire pays a free kick for the ball not being directly handed back to them 1 second earlier and has the ball in their hands, when blowing the whistle, the AFL has a rule all would be pleased to see changed asap.
Seeding never make sense.. when they put a team in then that team wins comfortably the next week but drop them out. Happens alot
They can tag heeney and Warner and they'll just move them forward and chuck someone else in there. Taylor adams is there and callum Mills is yet to come back.
And Luke Parker in the back end of the year who's gonna be frothing to play and keep the pressure on everyone to keep their spots
The fact that one of our prime movers is not at his best - Papley and we are still missing Callum Mills tells me that there is enough upside within the team without calling the depth from the VFL. Once Mills comes back, Heeney will start drifting forward to shake the tag and will be used for impact in the middle. Adams McInerney, Gulden, Papley, Florent Parker can all go in the stoppages and centre so no worries from that point of view.
I guess the only worry for me is not the midfield but the one constant player that is at the centre right from the beginning - Brodie Grundy. Not sure how it will go if he loses form or gets injured.
Who the hell imagined that the mighty Bombers would be PFI quality!!!! Absolutely!!!!
To the add 1 side of it on Essendon apart from the upside of Ridley, they have been so much better and a big boost having Durham around the stoppages. His attack at the ball, breakaway ability and strength through tackles has made life easier for Merrett, Parish etc
Kingy got it wrong again. Just loves Sir Ross. He doesn't love pleb Brad, but that's ok.
Ross is past his use by date, endless focus on defence makes the game ugly and does not (as evidenced) ever win premierships.
David King, Nuke was 3 off breaking the all time record last year for break tackles 😂😂. Reid didn’t ignite nothing in him, for a bloke that checks stats so often maybe try doing your research
I know haha. I don't know if Newk has even played a game at Box Hill as a senior listed player? He wasn't stuck at Box Hill he was at Poowong and then played about 10 games for Box Hill and was drafted.
Sydney look a different thing now. A few teams have had the jump on us early in matches. What set us aside from the rest is our ability to change and adapt to what the opposition is doing. I haven’t seen a team that can do that and still work it out to get the win. It may catch up sooner or later, but it’ll take a mammoth team to beat these Swans. And it’s not the same team that lost to Richmond. Since that game, swans have been almost untouchable
Great show sir Kingy sir Wheatley #Go Roos been roos support er 48 yrs I really think we need a new coach no disrespect to Clarkson at all Sir King I wish you would pass your talent and join the roos get archer Allison Carey school know but it's time to out diffen e at side otherwis my son's with not ever see a permership I o KY got a few yrs left a touch wood and metal be fsy hope to watch or go when we win a grand finale would be a humble experience as a father thank you for letting me have my day
Optus turf is cooked because we've had about 2 days of rain all year and it's late May
Been a good couple of days for much needed rain
You think Optus is bad, then look at my front lawn. The rain gods have not been good to WA this year.
its called a tap....
@@rooboy69 are you are a North Melbourne supporter. FYI Perth has had record breaking dry spell and record breaking heat (including May) which would dry out Optus as soon as the tap was turned off.
So What you mean they dont have sprinklers, has Victoria run out of water.
Let's tag Warner and Heeney (and Gulden for good measure) then Heyward will spring up and kick four goals, Gee we better tag him after half-time. Then along comes Papley, and anyone of, Florent, Adams, Jordan, Roberts, and even a repositioned Lloyd. However they all fail. What a shame they forgot about, THE LIZARD. 🦢(pardon me for forgetting about ROWY)
"They should have got the 4, but 1 umpire was offended" - Funnily enough, didn't hear anything like that about the FRE v CARL finish...
What is you point? You sound petty
Biggest robbery of the year so far
How can you not understand his point? Freo got a shit call right at the end of the game that cost them. Freo still had to kick another 3 goals after the free kick @@AT-tz6jz
"They should have got the 4, but 1 umpire was offended" ... Facts, like it or not.
@@Roper122 Freo still had to kick 3 goals after that call to win 💀
All the Original commentor was saying, is that the same thing happened to Freo, on a much more impactful scale. Where was this attitude then?
Anyway, it’s hard to say the umpires gifted the game to Freo by giving 1 free kick to put them down by 13 points with 5 minutes left, instead of 19 points.
David, although I hated you as a player your exposes on the game I truly admire. With Sydney, remember in the midfield there is Rowbottom & MacInerney, both superfit & brilliant!
Essendon are not a threat. They are loving their easy fixture
Don't understand the talk about Sidebottom having annoyed the umps prior to the Sullivan free kick. Sidebottom was the tackler, he never even had that ball in his hand, if the ump wanted to yell at anyone to return the ball it should have been the Fremantle player
There's really not much to argue about the Sullivan decision. The clock had stopped, so there was no 'time wasting', and there is no tactic to give Collingwood time to set up behind the ball because it was ALREADY in freo's forward 50 and everyone was already in position so it would not have made that much of a difference. As much as it might have been the right call and the whole 'rules is rules', but all i ask is consistency. Does every player get 2 or 3 warnings to hand the ball back before penalised or is it immediate consequences if the first person to touch the ball isn't the umpire?
In the Collingwood/Fremantle game. did Sullivan know the clock had stopped or did he think it was still running and decided to use up a bit of time by handing the ball to Daicos???
irrelevant....the umpire knew because he blows time on again
@@rooboy69 Tye question was ''did Sullivan know the clock had stopped or did he think it was still running and decided to use up a bit of time by handing the ball to Daicos???'' what are you on about??
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I think 0.5 seconds of time elapsed from when Sullivan handed the ball to Daicos then to the umpire 0.5 SECONDS......
@@peterthomas7093 irrelevant
@@noelroberts8199 you had a stop watch on it??
Yep Nicholls had a hissy fit because he had to bend down to pick up the ball after Sidebottom dropped it on the ground.
Didn't a pies player throw it to another pies player who then dropped it to the ground, even though the umpire was asking for it the whole time? Not the greatest rule but it's there the players know, don't see anything wrong with the call
Sidebottom was the tackler, he never even had the ball!
Nicholls is getting too old to bend and pick up the ball, should have retired years ago.....
Kingy doesnt understand the difference between interpreting a rule and discretion in applying a rule. How hard is it to hand the ball back to the ump FFS. 9-year-old kids understand the rule. There is NO discretion for an umpire not to apply a rule. To make it even worse this breach of the rule involved the umpire. The rule is clear. It must be applied.
Exactly, and the AFL even issued a memo about that rule before last years finals.
40:23 "Another interpretation" King says.
An interpretation is something like whether a player had prior (interpretation in the heat of the moment), whether there was insufficient intent to keep a ball in, or whether a comment/gesture is dissent or not.
In this case the rule is simple - give the ball directly to the umpire. You can't argue that he didn't break that rule, so at that point it's not an interpretation. It's black and white application of the law.
Every win for Sydney is in part compensation for tge catering at the SCG.
Kingy has been on the receiving end of criticism by me in recent weeks, but his take on the umps is spot on. Stay out of it!
Nicholls is a well known Collingwood hater, hates us more than luke hodge
There's nothing wrong with that
The Free Kick was there, yea it was soft but so was the Free Kick Collingwood got at the end of the 1st QTR
I don't see you complaining about the gift at the end of the first term.
Umpiring mistakes happen; it's mostly Pies whingers who turn them into a big conspiracy. You lot moan relentlessly.
@@andrewkerr5296 No, the free kick wasn't there, no time was wasted, just accept that.
@@Roper122
Doesn't matter what the rule is called, if you don't hand back the ball to the Umpire when asked, you get pinged
He did break the rule
So Kingy says, They're having an awful run the umpires, an awful run." Correct, because they bring it on themselves. I would ask anyone playing the game if they have ANY respect for the umpires, l reckon the answer would be an emphatic "NO".
St Kilda supporter was trying to tell me a week ago that Ridley sucks and that he wouldn't even make best 22 in their squad 😂
Someone seriously said that? Wow... that's a whole new level of delusion. Ridley would walk straight into the Saints and displace any of their back men right now, if he moved there. I'm excited to see what the McKay-Ridley combo is going to do going forward. God knows the Bombers back line needs to stabilise; could be just what the doctor ordered.
How to give "full credit" to Sydney. Tell us that the rest of the teams will work out how to beat them.
100% right about the Lions. Not sure who the top six are, and many of them just meander through games. Charlie Cameron, Cam Rayner, Jarrod Berry and others are incredibly overrated. I've said they're tanking for Levi Ashcroft.
Brisbanes front office is too scared to make the tough decisions and drop the bigger names. Berry, Cameron, Hipwood, Rayner need to be put back in their place and learn you aren’t secured a spot every week
@@bricecampbell9614 100%. Bigger names though. Lol that's a joke. Rayner's never played VFL because he's one of Fagan's favourites as a prime example.
Love David King however the office administrator must hate the amount of printer ink he goes through
Also a huge fan of the Giants Indigenous guernsey. Best in the league this year
Suprised kingy hasnt called Bombers flag fave,despite beating North and Tigers...😂😂😂
How can kingy have pies at number 2 seed and Fremantle need to sack the coach when they just drew and freo had an off game! Freo had the fumbles, blokes got no idea
Well the umpires got best on ground for freo ... Go dees .
Collingwood has 6 players with under 10 games at Optus and were up 4 goals against a full strength side at home
@@noahepstein7190 yet collingwood on average had an older group and had played more games 🤷♂
@@noahepstein7190 No Cox, no Frederick, two very big contributors. Love to see the hypocrisy by only pointing out one side, Fremantle are the 4th youngest and 2nd least experienced team in the comp. No one likes to bring that up because it doesn’t fit the agenda.
If it was a hawthorn vs pies game, and the exact same thing happened, it’d be “good job hawks, pies should’ve won”. Why does everyone treat Freo so differently? Bullshit.
@@gwilkes5325 freo have a much better list and have shown they can be a top 8 side and even compete to be top 4 side
is Sam De Koning playing soft?
God, Kingy just hates the Swans doesn't he?
I mean, he picked them to beat Hawthorn by 68 points in the 2014 grand final.
31:22 Basil "getting onto this" would probably involve conscripting homeless people to replant the turf or something.
The umpires piss me off mate i just want to watch fair games
Hodgy shattered as Lions are done as dusted
Hodgy is happy the hawks winning
Would you be continuing to doubt a Melbourne team that were going as well as the Swans? They continue to win and you. Ontiue to look for caveats for their wins.
Swans are playing near perfect, Melbourne don’t have a forward line, are too defensive and if they lose the midfield battle, they lose the game.
Swans are #1 in points for and against this season.
The Lions have some key injuries though we seem to be forgetting this.
Ashcroft,Coleman,Bailey,Doedee and McCarthy are big losses.
The two important ones there are Ashcroft and Coleman. Both of which have been replaced. What's changed is their effort. Two blokes don't make up half the team not having a crack. That's literally what got the Hawks over the line yesterday
@@TheMemeMachineMatt I think Doedee is just as important they got him across to support their defensive structure that is so reliant on Andrews.
Zorko has replaced Coleman but that leaves a massive hole forward and at stoppage.
No one has really replaced Ashrcoft.The midfield is Neale, Dunkley and the rest is made up each week.
Effort one is hard to argue in the sense their pressure rating this year has only dropped 11pts which isnt enough to justify where theyre at.
@@gus-qj2mp they never played a game with Doodee. Zorko has been better at halfback than forward. The depth is there to replace Ashcroft for now. No doubt it'll improve when he returns, because he'd try. You can absolutely argue effort when watching their games. The plan doesn't work and when they're getting beaten they don't fight back.
@@TheMemeMachineMatt
Who's replaced Zorko forward though?
I know Doedee never played hahahah but to plan your whole pre-season and structure around having him to then never have the chance is a hit being taken.
If Doedee is fit they most likely keep Zorko forward helping maintain structure plus Bailey is the one who would replace Zorko forward and he's been out.
Depth? They have Berry playing purely on ball hahahah
The pressure rating is their effort and it hasn't fallen off enough to justify their drop off, especially when their effort rating is 8th overall.
It’s not just the loss of those players , the depth isn’t there. Some teams can cover better I think Brisbane struggle most at moment with covering these injuries
Wait, apart from the giants, who have the dons beat?! How many from the top end of the ladder?!
You can only beat who you play
@@pancakes4140this. We have played teams when they were doing well and then they fell down after us. We haven’t beaten top teams because there aren’t many we’ve played yet. We beat the giants, drew the pies (before their injuries and only drawing due to bad luck) and ofc lost to a less injured port and the seemingly unbeatable swans.
We will probably get found out a bit soon and aim more for 5-8 rather than 1-4, but right now things look good
And yet we haven't lost to bottom 8 sides which a lot of your "true contenders" have done.
@@pancakes4140 exactly....soft draw for bombers
@@rooboy69Its literally one of the hardest draws by far. They have had to travel interstate 4 times (make it 5 this week) and just about everybody and their dog had the Bombers starting their season 1-6. Maybe give them some credit.
Freo had missed 33 goals in 2 weeks before Round 11.
If Freo kicks half of them that's an extra 7 goals in both Rounds, & King wouldn't be talking about Freo
But they did.
@@nathand4500
My point is, they kick straight Kingy isn't talking about them
@@andrewkerr5296 yes, that's my point too. bad kicking is bad football.
Gerald obviously didn’t read any of the findings from the st Kilda review because they sighted weaknesses in the list and poor development of players as the primary reason for lack of success. They also never declared that the list was better than the season outcomes they achieved. The reasons for sacking ratten were purely cultural and development related, not based on performance outcomes. Complete defamatory lie.
Saints sacked Ratten because they weren't winning. Simple. You can try and dress it up as "...culture and development..." related but if St Kilda were up the top of the ladder he'd still be there. Now it's a complete excuse-athon every weekend when they lose under Lyon. Now, all of a sudden the brass were wrong about the list, the midfield aren't up to it, blah blah blah.
I like Ross Lyon as a character but he's very obviously not the saviour Saints fans - as well as ex-players, the media and Board - were expecting.
@@jaredburgess8381 you cant just state things that are factually and objectively untrue then say “simple” and it’s magically true. If st Kilda made the 8 Ratten still would’ve been sacked. Nice guy but clearly incompetent.
Irrespective of what you think about the treatment of Ratten or Ross’ performance Gerald’s comments are materially misstating words that were written in a report. That is misinformation 101 and it is defamatory.
Um yes they did. Their incredibly delusional President Andrew Basset literally said something on the lines of "we think our list is a capable of much better things" during Ross Lyon's first press conference after they announced him as Coach. That exact same incredibly delusional President towards the end of last season went on the Saints Podcast and once and again talked up the list. Maybe do your research properly.
How exactly was Ratten incompetent. It was under him they actually won a Final and pretty damm comfortably too against a long time rival the Bulldogs in his first season as Coach. It was under him Max King quite clearly played his best footy and it was under him they actually attacked the footy. Sure they were pretty poor defensively but quite frankly most middling teams are naturally bound to be with the type of footy that is largely required in the modern game.
@@taliamason7986 ahh sorry didn’t realise the president wrote the contents of report and/or what the president said on a podcast was actually the report. Going forward please read before commenting.
@@taliamason7986 I don’t care about what the club or president has said or anything else in regard to this issue. All that matters is that Gerald (knowingly or unknowingly knowingly) lied about a statement of fact, he spread misinformation. We see this all the time in political reporting, and it’s beginning to seep into AFL media (see also the “north are debt free” narrative pushed by so many recently which is also incredibly factually untrue). We need to stamp this out and hold journalists to a higher account.
But on Fremantle specifically as a club they have a culture problem, where if they make finals it's an attitude from them and fans towards others like what's that about criticising our game style and everything is white noise when they most of the time don't make finals.
I see no reason why Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon or Melbourne couldn't knock Sydney off if they play them in Melbourne.
Sydney smashed Collingwood at the MCG round 1.
@@MrRocco1974 Collingwood are a different team now.
@MrRocco1974
Irrelevant. Tigers also rolled the Swans in round 3. Doesn’t mean they could do it again.
The comp is pretty close at the minute, what happen 2 months ago is irrelevant to now. It’s at the point where if any team is a bit off they could go down to “lesser” teams quite easily. Look at the Eagles smacking the Dee’s.
Or the Hawks nearly rolling port.
@@MrRocco1974
Collingwood were a month behind in their preparation - Brisbane & Collingwood players started pre-season training later than the other clubs after playing in the GF last october.
- beaten by a half strength Sydney team tells the story.
Saints beat Collingwood too.
Haven't lost since - despite injuries.
Season is a marathon not a sprint - you build up conditioning to peak in finals.
As David King said - watch out if you peak too soon - and will Heeney burn out?
- you also need luck with injuries...Pies not having much luck at the moment -who knows?
@@MrRocco1974round 1 wins mean fk all besides the 4 points. No teams at their best in round 1.
The umpire being that petty to hand gift Freo a draw is ridiculous. Should be fired
Everyone was saying umpires were heavily favouring Collingwood until the last 10 minutes… Collingwood got a free goal at the end of the 1st quarter for nothing.
Can't be mad at an umpire enforcing a bad rule correctly. The rule needs to be changed, not the fact it's called
Weird that you care so much when that’s been paid 6 other times this year and is bet you didn’t know that
I bet you didn't mind the free against Rankine last week.
Honestly it was horrendous
Sack the umpires start again...
Brisbane absolutely cooked and will not make finals
King soft on Lyon. Always.