Why Med Students Should NOT Work Holidays
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2022
- I recently found a twitter thread talking about med students working holidays and I thought almost everyone would agree with this sentiment, however I found quite the opposite. Thus, I had no choice but to make a video about it!
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00:50 - What started it all
03:00 - Med students don't need to "experience" holidays
04:30 - Approaching med school wrong?
06:08 - Gunners Gun
07:50 - Hands on Experience?
08:15 - Med students know doctors work holidays
09:00 - No scut on holidays
09:30 - My thoughts
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I am a recently graduated Physician Assistant, and I recall on my OB/GYN rotation I would hang out with some of the medical students from my University, who were also on rotation with me. Our rotation was during the winter, and there was supposed to be a large blizzard coming in overnight. One of the medical students had asked the attending if she could stay home due to the snow since her car was not very good in icy conditions. I recall the attending looking at her and then looking at the rest of us and saying “sure you can stay home tomorrow, hopefully it won’t be snowing again when you have to repeat this entire rotation for skipping”. I just remember being in total shock and thinking how wrong it was to jeopardize healthcare student lives just to make an impression. Prior to physician assistant school I worked in healthcare for over 10 years. I understand that healthcare providers are considered essential personnel and are required to work during times of bad weather. But during school students are living on a budget while accruing tons of debt and I don’t feel that it is right to be put in that situation when you have a car that is not good in the snow, and cannot afford a better one at the moment. It wasn’t like we wouldn’t get to see any child births or participate on any c-sections if we missed one day. Quite honestly, it was sickening, and it really reinforced the type of provider I would NOT like to be. In the end, I offered to drive the medical student into clinical the next day since I had all wheel drive. It was just ridiculous that someone in a position of power would threaten a persons entire life’s work, just because they were scared for their safety.
of course it was obgyn...
lmao an obgyn saying that to a med student makes me wanna laugh and cry at the same time lmao
Same exact thing happened to me when I was a student. A blizzard hit Yonkers, my car was snowed in up to the windows.. the attending told us if we didn’t come it we would have to repeat the rotation for skipping.
Tragic…
That's the problem. They are actually abused while in school and those physicians think "I went through it they should too" mentality. Yet they ARE students and are in training to learn their craft. You should be mentoring them; not using them as your personal slave. You should be teaching them the intricacies of your specialty so they become better doctors. Just because you are miserable for working on a holiday doesn't mean you should make a student's life miserable also. You can be a better teacher if you allow them to stay home when it's not necessary for them to be there. The only exception is if you want to spend more time with that student and he is willing to come in and learn a special technique. At least then he will feel more excited to come in because you are spending quality time to teach him individually. That shows you care about their ability to learn and pass on those little details that you learned that made you a better physician which makes them a better physician in the end. They will forever remember you for taking that personal time with them
If you’re reading this and are a resident, do the right thing and send your med students home if they come in on a holiday.
Well according to the MAJEKSXIW they aren’t suppose to allow residents to work on their special religious holidays and that’s straight forward
Current anesthesia resident, if a medical student showed up on a holiday, whether they were scheduled or not.. I would immediately tell them to go home. While I enjoy having a med student around, because I love teaching and getting to know them, I have my own way of doing notes and such, so anything that they do I'm essentially just redoing. They will work plenty of holidays once they are actually in the field.. as a student, you should not be expected to be in house on a holiday.
I respect the mentality of trying to make things better for the future generation of healthcare workers rather than have them go through it just because everyone else had to suffer
Neurology attending here. Med students are there to learn. They are not getting paid, they are actually paying! IMO, a healthy work-personal life balance is extremely important. Finally, I can round, write notes or do a consult literally twice as fast alone as I can with a student present, so it's good for me, too. Asshole attendings need to lighten up.I'm tired of the "I walked five miles barefoot thru the snow to do rectal exams on Christmas Eve, so my students will, too," attitude. Happy, mentally healthy med students become happy, mentally healthy physicians. Thanks for speaking up!
I'm a coordinator who creates MS3 and MS4 rotation schedules in the OB/GYN department of the hospital I work at (in addition to many other tasks). We work with several MD and DO programs. One of our partner MD programs has explicitly given their students off on Thanksgiving and the day after. One of the key DO programs we work with said that it's at the discretion of the rotation site whether students have off or not on Thanksgiving and are encouraging their students to all rotate on the day after. I struggle with the idea of creating rotation schedules for my MS3 and MS4 students that are different, asking the DO students to work while the MD students don't have to - so I created schedules that allow all the students to have off, in the hopes they can enjoy their holiday fully, and come back a bit more rested and refreshed.
I am sure they appreciate that, even if it is not explicitly expressed! A great coordinator for a rotation is priceless, and those students are lucky to have you in their corner!
MS3 here on surgery...I worked the day before thanksgiving, thanksgiving day, the day after thanksgiving and I have to work one day each weekend. It's miserable, very toxic environment. They make us work 80+ hours and 6 days a week... as a STUDENT! But we cant say anything otherwise we will get a bad evaluation. They will say we are lazy.
I am a current Family Med PGY1 in Canada. I did my medical school at the same program. We NEVER had to come in over the Christmas Holidays and always had 2 weeks off during our clinical years, regardless of what rotation we were on. The school actually organized it, so that our rotations did not fall during those 2 weeks of Christmas/New Year. It was such a great time and you could relax and rejuvenate. Now as a PGY1, our Resident organization (PARO) requires all residents in Canada to have a minimum or 5 days off during the holiday season . ie; either 5 days around Christmas, or 5 days around New Year, so that you only have to work 1 holiday. These holidays are in addition to the 28 days we get. All and all, I think that the culture is changing, but there is definitely room for much more change.
30 days PTO?! That's amazing 🙌
@@shebajohn9122 yeah - its good - its actually officially 28 (4 weeks) but still amazing ! Problem is lots of residents feel bad for taking the time off - another thing that needs to be addressed in the culture . I have to say - personally I have not had any trouble taking my vacation lol
This is amazing!! Which program is this? I'm in Canada too and hoping to become a family doctor at some point
Applying to residency now. From what I've experienced on my rotations, there's a huge pushback from residents to make medical students do anything unnecessary given that we have to study for boards and do other requirements for applying. I think this is a good change that residents are helping to push this and understand our situation. We can do better, but it's a good reminder to use your experience to help advocate for medical students. We don't have a strong voice and it's nice to see older doctors fight for us.
It's the "back in my day" mentality that reinforces this attitude that medical students need to suffer to experience what working in the medical field is "really like". Thankfully, so far in medical school I can see these attitudes changing, especially when I work with younger attendings; a majority of the time they have medical student's best interest in mind and they avoid this kind of toxic behavior, but of course there are still people in healthcare that think this way. We definitely need to change the system for the better
Yeah what I dislike the most is people trash talking health care and glorifying computer engineering like screw that field legit lol, computer engineering has a much higher burnout rate then anyone so screw that job idk why people think it’s such a good field. Those people is what I call bots like computer engineering just sucks. Being a physician is 1 million times better then a computer engineer. Not only do they get more vacation time then them and paid leave if they are sick or something, they also get much more stability and much more growth then those dumb computer engineers. For the last time being a Physician is way better then a computer engineer
As a psychology major who has no interest going into the medical field, this was a very insightful and important perspective to listen to. I think it’s so important for ppl to have boundaries with their jobs and being that I want to be a therapist that is extremely important. I hope things change!
As a Med student I consider myself lucky to have amazing interns and seniors that always vouched for me during holidays and helped me get them off. I can’t wait to do the same for Med students as a resident
Yeah what I dislike the most is people trash talking health care and glorifying computer engineering like screw that field legit lol, computer engineering has a much higher burnout rate then anyone so screw that job idk why people think it’s such a good field. Those people is what I call bots like computer engineering just sucks. Being a physician is 1 million times better then a computer engineer. Not only do they get more vacation time then them and paid leave if they are sick or something, they also get much more stability and much more growth then those dumb computer engineers. For the last time being a Physician is way better then a computer engineer
Im a med student in Germany, we dont have to show up to rotations on holidays…totally agree! Most times the doctors are really putting in extra work to explain stuff and so on…imo if they gotta do holiday shifts then at least let them work without additional teaching responsibilities 😂
We need to limit our patients to acute complaints on holidays too. I got so triggered about the patient coming into urgent care for chronic shoulder pain on Christmas Day. 🙄 They are clogging up the UCs and EDs during the busiest respiratory season of the year. Interesting... nursing school clinical sites were dependent on us for CNA cares (busy work). It was expected in exchange for the facilities "allowing" students there. I totally agree with the work/life boundaries. Going there to have Thanksgiving dinner is just plain bizarre.
Agree
Food/Question for thought: What about patients who come in for a non-acute complaint when it is not necessarily a choice? For example, they have no other day in the near future when they can be excused from their job or another major responsibility (like being a caretaker for a child or sick family member)
Absolutely agree. Spending precious time with family to recharge is so important especially during such a stressful time in school. It may be one of the last holidays they have with family for a while depending on what their hospital’s policy is with holiday coverage in residency.
My school gives all med students Thursday and Friday off for thanksgiving in addition to the 4 weeks we get off during our clinical rotation year. I am paying to learn and I can guarantee that no lunch talks, no grand rounds, and no sims labs are happening on a holiday. The minimum residents and attending will not have time to teach because they are trying to get work done to get home at a decent hour. The would probably dismiss me at an hour that wasn’t even worth the commute to get to the hospital. Let students rest and minimize early disenchantment with medicine.
Practicing trauma ACS surgeon here, 1000% get the students out for holidays a day or few off a 4 or 6 weeks rotation is insignificant, also maybe even get residents out too for 1/2 or full day, in elective based rotations in residency my attendings and me would rotate who goes in and round on patients so even attendings can potentially get their day off! 😌🦃🎄
These are all great points. I hope whoever needs to see this to make these changes does because he is absolutely right.
Thank you for speaking on this! Let's stop this pattern and expectation of burnout in our field 💪 🙌
I appreciate your thoughts on this, Dr. Cellini. I’m currently an MS3 on surgery and my program has explicitly made it a point to let us know that we will not be expected to have clinical or didactic obligations during the holidays, and its kind of mind blowing that some programs don’t do this.
I’d also argue that a vast majority of people in medical school right now have worked a job prior to matriculation in which they needed to cover a shift on a holiday, so the whole “you’ll have to work on holidays” argument goes out the window as most of us have already done it. I worked every thanksgiving holiday during undergrad, why should i have to subject myself to that when i’m studying for a significantly more difficult degree?
Yeah what I dislike the most is people trash talking health care and glorifying computer engineering like screw that field legit lol, computer engineering has a much higher burnout rate then anyone so screw that job idk why people think it’s such a good field. Those people is what I call bots like computer engineering just sucks. Being a physician is 1 million times better then a computer engineer. Not only do they get more vacation time then them and paid leave if they are sick or something, they also get much more stability and much more growth then those dumb computer engineers. For the last time being a Physician is way better then a computer engineer
Also Thankyou for what you do You guys are amazing !
I'm a current MS3 and have to work Thanksgiving this year and have worked other holidays earlier this year as well. I don't see the point, and I appreciate you using your platform to say so as well
My heart goes with you Dr. C
I saw this tweet exchange and thought it would be a good video! Yay
The learning opportunities that take place on holidays is usually quite limited. The physicians that are there usually have the mentality of wanting to leave as quickly as possible... not exactly a ripe learning environment.
Fantastic and honest video highlighting the toxic culture that leads to burnout in medicine. In final year, faculty sent out an email that we were to have a public holiday here in Australia off, but in the emergency, dept we got questioned as to why we didn't come into hospital. I've also experienced the same shit as a junior lawyer (working longer hours = being a better lawyer). I'm sure your students deeply appreciate your attitude of trying to make their learning experience a better one rather than having them jump through the same (unnecessary) hurdles that you had to as a junior.
Yeah what I dislike the most is people trash talking health care and glorifying computer engineering like screw that field legit lol, computer engineering has a much higher burnout rate then anyone so screw that job idk why people think it’s such a good field. Those people is what I call bots like computer engineering just sucks. Being a physician is 1 million times better then a computer engineer. Not only do they get more vacation time then them and paid leave if they are sick or something, they also get much more stability and much more growth then those dumb computer engineers. For the last time being a Physician is way better then a computer engineer
Non teaching hospitals get by without medical students or residents…. I’m an RN, I worked a mother baby unit at a hospital that only occasionally saw residents, never ever on the weekend or holiday, and their primary hospital had different protocols, so sometimes their orders were garbage and I had to call the attending to fix them. Ok maybe they weren’t garbage, but merely based on protocols and standing orders in the other hospital and were going to cause confusion and consternation in ours. I really can’t imagine a med student being anything but confused and, unless L&D had a delivery going on, bored out of their minds on a holiday.
I 100% agree! Every point.
I agree with the overall point here about appreciating time off and not making students suffer pointlessly - but there's a very good point to getting a large variety of hands on experience, and that should, in my eyes, include managing workloads when there's only a skeleton staff. These are usually the most danerous times to be a patient, and so having students get an idea of things like putting off surgeries until the awake and full epert team can be there, what actually needs to be done urgently, and what can be put off, are really valuable. As well as dealing with the shit reality of staff being unwilling to do their jobs properly, or the right staff not being around to give as good care as there should be.
I appreciate this take a lot.
100%. Non-productive staff (i.e. those in training that patients do not really depend on them for care) should not work holidays. I was fortunate enough as a new grad RN to get all the winter holidays off when I was on orientation. This idea that "you have to suffer just because I did" is so toxic.
Can’t believe it’s been 2 months without a podcast 😢
There is absolutely no reason for a med student to work a holiday. Write your own notes!!!
Thank you for this
That’s wild. I’m in the UK and I’ve never heard of med students feeling like they have to go into placement during holidays. At my med school we got 2 weeks off for Christmas and 1 week for Easter and bank holidays off automatically. You were timetabled to placement 9-5 Mon-Fri, with night shifts and weekends recommended at least once for the experience in the latter years of med school but never mandated. None of the doctors knew if you were scheduled to be there or not. I suppose the system is different here though... getting training posts here is not through networking like I think it is in the US so there’s a lot less concern over what your placement supervisors think of you and letters of recommendation are not needed.
Happy Thanksgiving I agree
Yes. I’m an M3 and have been lucky enough that I’ve gotten most of the holidays off. BUT, like he mentioned, it was always so last minute that any plans I made had to be flexible. I can’t imagine anyone who wanted to fly to family trying to figure out if they should buy a ticket or not. It was annoying enough to leave all my family and friends on hold all the way up to the holiday I was trying to plan for.
My additional thought is that when I was an ED scribe, we had to work two major holidays per year and it was planned out in advance. In med school, I’m on different rotations for each holiday with maybe the exception of Christmas and New Year’s. My day to day rotation schedule in med school also isn’t typically planned out until the first day of a new rotation so it’s feasible that I might be made to work every single holiday and wouldn’t know until at most a few weeks in advance. I can guarantee the attendings at least get some of the holidays off and know well in advance that they’ll have to work it.
7:56 Dr. Cellini referred to the person tweeting as a patient lol. Thought that was funny.
Whoops!
@@DrCellini still a great video, really enjoy the topic discussions would be great to hear some of your stories as a med student in future videos.
working 6-6 on thanksgiving on trauma :( as a MS3
This reminds me of an episode of ER, Dr. Carter had summers off as a med student and his intern year, he forgot that there are no summers off. :-)
Ideally, you're right. But for MS4s trying to match in the current culture of medicine, skipping holidays might play against their chances unfortunately. Maybe when/if The Match system is abolished things will get batter.
Can you please make a video showing us your team of Rad Techs or radiographers please 😊
Sir is it true Radiologist can do Rechanelisation on Tuba Falopy ? Especially for Hidrosalpinx
@Dr. Cellini How often are imaging radiologist report findings incorrect? Have undergone numerous mri's and typically the findings on one report never match another or I get several different diagnosis. Even had a fractured that was missed and dealt with excruciating pain for a decade before it was corrected with surgery. How in the world do doctors call themselves doctors with these types of track records?
This is an interesting situation, it’s a service driven profession/education, they should get paid for their time though. But I can remember a whole lot of holidays eating “turkey loaf” sitting in the dirt leaning back on my day pack drinking water from my 90 degree canteen. That brings me to my point, that was the life I chose. 16 deployments and no regrets. As far as med students, since they are actually paying for an education I wouldn’t think that would be appropriate. Maybe in their last year it would be a good idea for the discipline, but not much more.
For the last year I worked 6 days a week in blue collar jobs. Multiple 84 hour weeks delivering pizza for a shady dominos, 14 hour days for a moving company in the summer, and 72 hour weeks as a CNA (mostly COing). I worked a lot of holidays I didn’t want to, and am hoping that this year my medical school interviewers won’t tell me I “haven’t had to do anything I didn’t want to do, which in medical school there’s a lot of things you won’t want to do that you’ll have to”. I don’t see the issue with giving med students scut work on holidays if it means the doctors who are there regardless go home happier at the end of the day. I would imagine doctors would be more likely to work for a hospital who gives them busywork doers on holidays than a hospital who doesn’t. I’m just guessing, but that’s just my thought process. Holidays are the hardest in the hospital anyway (lower staffing higher patient demands), so maybe a med student would get to see the reality of how residents and nurses communicate effectively or poorly under inordinate pressure
.. and go home with the mindset of “damn they really got into it, I won’t let that be me” or “wow they really handled that well, I’ll try to emulate that”
Thank you
The residents and attendings and or program director will not forget the MS that went above and beyond during rotations and could likely mean the difference between getting a residency spot or not especially for very competitive programs/fields. I did residency years before the work hours rules though agree with the rules as the system was overly brutal. BTW, rather silly to interrupt your lead in with telling us how great the keyboard is.
I worked in medical records for 44 plus years. Sometime during that our hospital group no longer allow residence to work these horrible hours. We had 1 doctor that did not like that. Every ok note that he dictated and that he didn't have a resident to scrub in with him he would make a comment I had no resident because of the Policy That residence don't have to work So many hours.
No!! As you said, they are medical students. Their presence or absence has no impact on patients or work. You don't need to start 'experiencing' it early in med school to 'settle in' when you become a doctor. Part of our jobs as doctors is to also help the younger ones to learn how to balance their professional & social lives properly, which will help reduce their tendencies to experience burnouts. This culture needs to change. However, those of us who think like this aren't as much as those who think otherwise... I think. Thank you for this, Doc.
I graduated from GA Tech in EE. Four years where I spent every hour that I wasn’t in class or lab studying in the library, 6 days a week.
I am always reluctant to compare 4 yrs of engineering school working with machines to 11+ yrs of schooling working with people’s lives in crisis. Plus, I almost always agree with you - the engineering version of “live like a resident” was how I paid of my student loans in 11 mos.
However, at Tech, the long hours prepared us for the reality of working 36 hours at a stretch during project crunch times. Also, many non-engineering mgrs evaluate you based upon how often they see you in the evenings and weekends. Not fair, but just is. Especially during downsizings.
At some point a person has to accept that they are in a profession where their personal life is going to suffer a lot. If you think that should not happen until an MD is a paid employee, that makes sense, but it was not my experience as an engineer. JMHO.
BTW - it is okay that you went to Georgia ;-)
Maybe I got this wrong. There are students showing up to perform tasks when they are not scheduled to be there ? Who is watching them ? Who is responsible for them ? Are they granted 24 / 7 access at their own discretion ? I've heard about open door policies, but wow.
They can give the time off but at the end of the day the shelf exams are so brutal that you need to spend those days studying to stay ahead.
You should make a vid on having to go through primary care doctors for referrals just to tell us yes you have a condition we obviously have. Are they pretty much useless?
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I'm in pharmacy school they don't make us do holidays. And we typically have at most 50 hours . Like they know we don't get paid so they don't usually violate us. If they want students to work they can hire us as an intern period
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I gave birth on December 24th, not induced. I could tell that all the senior doctors and nurses aids were on vacation. Why? Because an obviously new anesthesiologist tried to give me an epidural, the doctor who was Also there kept saying “try again”, after the one trying to give me an epidural poked me in the wrong spot. After five tries the doctor said that should be good. But when the hard contractions started I could feel everything. I told the nurse and she said,”epidurals don’t get rid of all the pain.” Really. The pain was so bad I just had them do a c-section hoping they would get the spinal block right, which they actually did. Terrible experience
100% Yes. Thank You. This mentality of hazing is ok because I was hazed is stupid. Professionals get paid, students are paying. Big difference.
what is the highest paid subspecialty of radiology?
When I was still working, we recognized that MOST people who "just didn't feel well" WOULDN'T be ditching their family plans on the holiday. The ONLY patients we would be seeing were those who were "desperately ill" in their own minds, and would most often need seasoned minds to deal with their cases. Students can LEARN from working those cases - but SHOULDN'T be the ONLY staff IMMEDIATELY available. Yes, we know that the students used to work shifts that are, today, considered untenable. But things are changing. (Thank God!) Yes, people who work in Medicine have to work Holidays. But, as you said, they ARE students - and should be treated as such. I believe it should be voluntary - if they don't mind missing the family gathering, let them work it. But don't just use them as replacement/stand-in staff.
I’m an MS2, and from what I understand, our school gives MS3/4 students holidays off. In fact, everyone gets one month off in the winter. I had no idea that not every school grants these major holidays off. Like you’ve said, we have our whole lives ahead of us to work. Why begin burning out now?
Why is this your view? Why is your view to see how long does it take for you to “burnout” as a physician you guys a like the leaders of healthcare you should love what you do why is this a thought on this UA-cam channel about “burnout” you won’t burnout if you love what you do you know what I mean? Also where did this myth originate from that “physicians work 12 hours every day and also have to take 24 hour calls every day” like that’s a complete bullshit myth and rumor. Doctors are assigned different cases every day and they do those cases and it could either be a light they where they do a couple cases and if everything goes good they could finish a shift in 8 hours. But if it’s just one long case or two then they could leave the hospital within 12 hours from when they start it varies a lot. Also call shifts are not an every day thing and physicians do get amazing amount of vacation days. Like a physician will probably be assigned a call shift like once every week and very rarely will be assigned in-house call but for those in-house calls it’s very rare for you to ever be called because usually the attending call physician takes care of all the cases just in rare cases when that physician can’t they call you up. I feel like all these myths need to stop being spread about physicians like I mean the job is 1 million times better then any type of software engineer
@@xplicitgoofy1015 I love what I do, but it’s stressful as hell, and I’ve already felt burned out so many times being in school. A lot of people share the same sentiment. Prioritizing medical students’ and physicians’ mental health doesn’t lessen our desire to be healthcare leaders. I also didn’t say anything about being on call in my comment, so I’m not sure where all that is coming from.
@@yulongie sorry if I was unclear about the call thing, I am just saying it as a general statement because people who have 0 clue on how med school is like or how physicians are keep tackling all the negatives so they can feel smart but in reality they are so clueless sorry if I was being unclear though I didn’t mean to direct that at you. But yeah I heard that being a med student is always like that it’s probably the most stressful part about a doctors start but once you get past medical school and past residency I heard that’s like when you are part of the doctor club lol and it gets better from there so dude you’ll do amazing continue being the best in what you do. Doctors are the best
@@xplicitgoofy1015 Appreciate the encouragement. I agree that it’s easy to be misinformed about employment in the healthcare field. It’s been a tough road but a very enriching one. 👍🏼
Agree. Show me a med student that only triples my work, and I'll kiss his feet. -HoG
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I am a Chinese radiologist. I never thought there was such an unsympathetic preceptor in the United States.
I doubt they do.
Honestly, this is one of the reasons I chose to stay in medicine as a lower man on the totem pole vs going to med school. I hate the culture, especially with any kind of medical training. And the good ol' boys club is still a pretty solid thing where I live as well.
I had to work New Years as an MS3. They exploited us so badly. And plus they verbally abused us by saying we were useless and did everything wrong. You should be glad to give us a day off then?
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Med students are there to learn! They shouldn’t be working holidays
The hospital will be at its lowest staffing levels. Having the least experienced MD's on shift should be a no-no.
Too much abuse happening in the system.
Nope. They need to do the time. As long as they aren't working 24 hour shifts I don't see the issue with working weekends and holidays from time to time. Doesn't need to be every holiday.
“Do the time?” They aren’t prisoners…
Why do they need “to do the time”
HUH?
It’s a learning session
Not a sentence or even a job lol
They should take advantage of not working bc they are going to miss so many of them throughout their career.
Med school sounds a lot like pharmacy school.
My boss the vet his plan was tp use all the new vets then screw them over. I'd get yelled at sworn at he over booked they HD to stay if we got a emergency finally the last year I workextheyd walk out not come back for any emergency you dog was toast sorty
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Ugh I love mechanical keyboards
Update: I bought one lol
🤣🤣 I have to say…it is dreamy to type on
@@DrCellini I hope so because the keyboard I have now was expensive, but it sucks lol
Is like that with every big business, including hospitals. Why should doctors be any different. The business I worked for I had to work every holiday for the first 5 years. Then you got put into rotation because you had some seniority. Why should be any different.
Right, in all the big businesses Theo suffer so med students should too. Absolutely
Seems to be that Doctors (MD's) at my hospital are getting out of hand, yelling when paged for an afterhours call!!! We have been in MA for less than two years, were I have stage IV health. (I was told prior if you have any issues call an after hours doctor) if its important!!! Due to the fact of top hospital here in Massachusetts!!! And I have noticed that some doctors have left to go else where?? Nothing tops your night like a doctor yelling at you!!!
I think a mid ground that would work for everyone. Just make med students work 2 holidays that most programs make interns do.
Why? They can do that as an intern
@@DrCellini true but for me personally I would have loved to feel what I am feeling as an intern now during my med school years so it didn't feel so overwhelming being thrown into it. For example, how to put orders in, how to do notes right, how to present etc. These are things that could be taught during med school a little at a time, but maybe coming in during a holiday like memorial day or labor day wouldn't take me too much away from my personal life.
@@shebajohn9122 why do you think a med student can’t learn how to put in orders, write notes etc during their actual term time? Your point makes no sense...
I mean they could, but learning it during the holidays is also a part of the learning process
@@shebajohn9122Ok, so you agree that a med student can learn these things during their normal term time. There is no reason to recommend they go in during their holidays to learn then...
You say this, yet you have to work on thanksgiving and in the past, you've had to work on holidays yourself, so this video is hypocritical. I think a lot of people choose work in the medical field because of the reward and pay you get - but you only get that high pay and respect from people because you sacrifice your own social life a little for the greater good. I respect doctors etc.
oh for fs sake . Just because he experienced something not fair doesn't mean he should not speak up . Also , no you do not choose this field for the reward of the high pay , if you want high pay go into economics and investing . The key here is that the medical student isn't getting payed , he as a doctor ( as much as anyone who works holidays ) is getting payed overtime because he is working. There is nothing that they are missing for a day or 2 . They have years of careers before them that will help them become good docs . There is no reason for them as a student to be there . Go buy your own coffee .
@@intromed1395 Facts. Engineers make more than FP, IM or Peds. They only need a Bachelor's or Master's degree.
That’s hysterical
I have no respect for that reason
It figures nothing into my view of someone
I saw one of your old videos in which you accursed the majority of doctors of committing insurance fraud (I’m a California lawyer so you know) by billing for procedures never done, and writing up phony findings never conducted, on patient medical charts, to charge more and work less hours. Unless you are too stupid to know it, which I find quite likely, if you do any of this, you will not only be facing the PERMANENT loss of your medical license, but an indictment for felony insurance fraud, which is a 2-3 year sentence in a state prison, yes PRISON, a place I’m sure you would not like to be. So, think twice before you so blithely suggest physicians regularly commit felony insurance fraud and routinely endanger patients lives by posting fake findings on patients‘ medical records.
I'd just disappear 🤌 screw them it's my holiday