Thank you. Your critique of permaculture critiques ended up being the best working definition of permaculture I've come across so far. I'll add one aspect you kind of introduced here yet didn't directly name or address. I'd include it in any descriptive summary of permaculture: It is in it's essence intersectional. It uses cultural practices, scientific practices, gardening and agricultural practices, energy, and materials sciences, and engineering, and conservation, practices, and somehow bridges all those things, creating an intersectional nexus of them all. Given those components, its essence shifts through time, adjusting to it's various - and varied - practitioners. Though this video, I've discovered I *have* been working, intuitively, from a permaculture basis pretty much all of my life. And that's a pretty cool discovery. Though - I suspect that's a universal draw for us, and between the current awful climate and end stage capitalism economic conditions, people are course correcting back to this norm. At least, I'm optimistic of this interpretation of the trends we've been seeing.
I'm yet to hear a critique of permaculture (from outside the permaculture community) that demonstrates even the most basic understanding of permaculture.
@@mrdeanvincent Yeah, this one just seems like either they never even TRIED to actually read a Permaculture book, or they intentionally were lying about it.
I found it through Bill Mollison talking about it. Though he had a different definition of “regenerative” insisting it meant “beyond sustainable to the point of regenerating” ALL the aspects of the system. Today, it has become focused just on the soil.
@@landscapetransformationwit6018 what other pieces does that mean? Cuz I can at least look at the soil under my microscope I’m glad I still have. I know water is the foundation, what goes beyond that?
@@DaveE99What pieces does Permaculture have? Is that the question? The Designer’s Manual to start with is about a 700 page tome filled with “patterns” for gardening, farming, building construction, creating businesses, etc. The standard Permaculture course uses that as the textbook and covers the same outline, but always constantly updated with new ideas. Some of the common gardening/farming patterns are guild-building techniques to create self-maintaining agroecosystems, appropriate lists of plants, hedgerows, agroforestry designs, aquaculture designs, edible meadows, approaches for no-till, holistic natural management techniques, and lots of ideas for meta-designs for how these things can fit together. Again, think of Permaculture like a book on living room design, that has lots of ideas for items and uses you MIGHT have in a living room AND lots of examples of complete living rooms to give you ideas. Research shows that a brief exposure to a set of patterns like this will dramatically improve the design outcomes of DIYers and even folks with advanced knowledge! So taking a PDC or looking through a Permaculture book should help you design a better system, is the idea.
@@landscapetransformationwit6018 thanks, will def get a book on it at some point when I get more $, been doing a lot of bio/psycho/social/cultural/geopolitical learning and got so angry at that I ended up at gardening and permaculture and wanting to just say screw the system lol. No one told me this is what life was so still figuring lots out
@@DaveE99Yeah. Life doesn't come with a rulebook, guidebook, or training wheels, and our ideas of fair are just a human construct. We're lucky to find so many mentors like this creator, to learn from and help us build better lives and communities. Sounds like you're definitely on your way on a good path!
this man underrated
Thank you. Your critique of permaculture critiques ended up being the best working definition of permaculture I've come across so far. I'll add one aspect you kind of introduced here yet didn't directly name or address. I'd include it in any descriptive summary of permaculture: It is in it's essence intersectional. It uses cultural practices, scientific practices, gardening and agricultural practices, energy, and materials sciences, and engineering, and conservation, practices, and somehow bridges all those things, creating an intersectional nexus of them all. Given those components, its essence shifts through time, adjusting to it's various - and varied - practitioners.
Though this video, I've discovered I *have* been working, intuitively, from a permaculture basis pretty much all of my life. And that's a pretty cool discovery.
Though - I suspect that's a universal draw for us, and between the current awful climate and end stage capitalism economic conditions, people are course correcting back to this norm. At least, I'm optimistic of this interpretation of the trends we've been seeing.
My grandpa had a beautiful garden and signed his name with an X. You don't have to have a PhD, you just need to observe and adjust.
how do you find so much info? i really need it
I'm yet to hear a critique of permaculture (from outside the permaculture community) that demonstrates even the most basic understanding of permaculture.
@@mrdeanvincent Yeah, this one just seems like either they never even TRIED to actually read a Permaculture book, or they intentionally were lying about it.
People find permaculture through gardening, they find regenerative agriculture from soil food web stuff
I found it through Bill Mollison talking about it. Though he had a different definition of “regenerative” insisting it meant “beyond sustainable to the point of regenerating” ALL the aspects of the system. Today, it has become focused just on the soil.
@@landscapetransformationwit6018 what other pieces does that mean? Cuz I can at least look at the soil under my microscope I’m glad I still have. I know water is the foundation, what goes beyond that?
@@DaveE99What pieces does Permaculture have? Is that the question? The Designer’s Manual to start with is about a 700 page tome filled with “patterns” for gardening, farming, building construction, creating businesses, etc. The standard Permaculture course uses that as the textbook and covers the same outline, but always constantly updated with new ideas. Some of the common gardening/farming patterns are guild-building techniques to create self-maintaining agroecosystems, appropriate lists of plants, hedgerows, agroforestry designs, aquaculture designs, edible meadows, approaches for no-till, holistic natural management techniques, and lots of ideas for meta-designs for how these things can fit together. Again, think of Permaculture like a book on living room design, that has lots of ideas for items and uses you MIGHT have in a living room AND lots of examples of complete living rooms to give you ideas. Research shows that a brief exposure to a set of patterns like this will dramatically improve the design outcomes of DIYers and even folks with advanced knowledge! So taking a PDC or looking through a Permaculture book should help you design a better system, is the idea.
@@landscapetransformationwit6018 thanks, will def get a book on it at some point when I get more $, been doing a lot of bio/psycho/social/cultural/geopolitical learning and got so angry at that I ended up at gardening and permaculture and wanting to just say screw the system lol. No one told me this is what life was so still figuring lots out
@@DaveE99Yeah. Life doesn't come with a rulebook, guidebook, or training wheels, and our ideas of fair are just a human construct. We're lucky to find so many mentors like this creator, to learn from and help us build better lives and communities. Sounds like you're definitely on your way on a good path!