This city has got to be the best in the United States in terms of its design, and being walkable and cyclable. The apartments in the centre look very European. Beautiful city. And getting better all the time by the looks of it.
I have lived in Carmel for 20 years now and moved back after a stint in the Chicago area. When I first read the title of your video I admit I was put off. But I cannot disagree with a thing you have presented here and you fairly represented the facts. It is what it is and I love Carmel. Good video and great shots.
Thanks! Really appreciate that. I love Carmel and wouldn't hesitate to live there. Of course, like every city in the world... it isn't for everyone. I do highlight a large number of positives about all places in my videos but I have to be fair and realistic to be very honest about the Indy metro. Thanks for watching and I value your feedback.
I live in Carmel and like it overall, but here are other things to consider: 1) It's extremely right wing conservative. Republicans win most races uncontested. People of color stand out and attract attention. 2) It's wildly full of roundabouts. They are truly everywhere and many roads are shut down each spring to build more, exacerbating the traffic problem. 3) The city has $1.5 billion in debt. Yes, that's billion with a 'b'. Our retiring mayor of 28 years routinely spends $250,000 or more on sculptures for things like the center of round-abouts and it appears he will be succeeded by a woman of a similar mindset. 4) It's crowded. Roads like Main Street (131st) and 116th back up daily. And they just keep building more and more homes, condos and apartments. 5) Prices for things like gasoline are higher than just about anywhere in Indiana.
When the new census shows the population increasing in Indianapolis I suspect that this gentleman will be partially responsible. Always a great video with excellent commentary. Thank you.
In 1965 I graduated from Carnel High School. I grew up 8n Carmel when it was mostly vacant land. My family would go to what was once Northern Beach for picnics and swimming. Back then we had what was considered a big class of around 200. North Central was the big school on the north side. You used to tell when you left Indy and went into Broad Ripple to Nora and then into Carmel. Unless you were from Carmel years ago, there was a clear distinction when you left one area and entered into the next. Not so anymore. The little town where I rode horses bareback, is no longer. My old stomping grounds are not recognizable. I think if a person wanted a smaller community, Sheridan would be good. That being said, it is growing bigger also. There is very little distinction between Carmel, Westfied, Zionsville and Noblesville. There isn't any distinction between Castleton and Fishers except for the signs that tell you when you leave one city to the next. Change is inevitable. I remember going to Hollyhock Hill and Dodd's Townhouse restaurants for special occasions. From 86th street going south on Meridian, is beautiful with the glorious homes and the enormous stone church, which always looked like a castle to me as a child. Indy has become almost unrecognizable for it not being Monument Circle. Gone are the days of Block's. L S Ayres, and Wassons just to name a few department stores that were either on the Circle or a block away. Those were the days of going downtown at Christmas time to see the wonderful window displays. Quite the treat back then and memories I'll have to cherish. The Carmel I knew and grew up in is long lost except for my memories from the past.
Literally every con you mentioned is a pro for me😅 And Carmel is actually cheap than like Raleigh and in my opinion quality of homes is better in Carmel than in Cary or Raleigh. In under 450s you can get 4,000 sq+ house veryy very easily and in great condition. I came across a property its 2.5 mil with 12k sqft, 2.60 acres land, tennis court, 8 car garage, guest house and pond view in a gated community. Its really the most beautiful home i have seen under 10mil, for this price you'll get a so much less for what you get in Carmel! I like that one High school for everyone, its good for oppertunities and my child will have friend in every corner of the city😅 which is good for socializing
@@LivingInIndianapolis I am honestly looking all over the country at this point. I moved for jobs before, but ended up in places that were not really the greatest for families and didn't have the best school systems. Basically I am looking for anything in the suburbs of Indianapolis or where they have some infrastructure in terms of jobs and universities. Was hoping that you could recommend some neighborhoods there.
Carmel - from the kitschy figurines on Main Street to the preposterous Palladium ending with the "let's pretend we are a European city" downtown architecture, Carmel is one of the gaudiest cities in the USA. If you care about proper architecture and have semblance of taste, DO NOT move to Carmel. Americans love this kind of fake crap - reminds me of Vegas or Disneyland.
Can someone help me understand how diverse is Carmel or even Fishers IN? We live in Brazil but we will be moving to the states next year (both with top jobs in 2 different american companies), I loved all the videos, and both Carmel and Fishers seems to be both great places to raise a family, since we have 2 kids, I really do not want them to suffer any sort of discrimination to come from Latin America. If there is any other suburbs in the midwest that is more diverse (OR if no issues with Carmel/Fisher on that matter), please let me know, it´s going to be really appreciated. Jason, keep up with the good work!
Idk. I like being an average middle class guy, and yes I do have more well off friends in the center grove area, but I just feel out of my comfort zone up there.
I lived in Carmel from 1990 to 2016. It's a city full of fake people trying to keep up with the Jone's. If you love diversity and culture, it is not the city for you. Carmel wants to be trendy and artistic, but they don't have an organic way of realizing this wish. It's forced and gaudy. You will only enjoy living there if you're white, Christian, republican, and think everyone else ought to be that way too. Any deviance from this will be met with disdain, and sometimes full-on hatred. I graduated from Carmel Highschool in the mid 2000's. As a liberal-minded, non-religious person I was treated as a pariah by not only my peers but also some adults. Carmel is the poster-child for "white-flight" from the 1960's. If you raise a child there, do not expect them to have a particularly realistic world view as they grow up. If you have a child who is LGBTQ+ expect them to suffer regular bullying. If you are black, expect to be pulled over by Carmel PD a LOT! This city is basically like the towns from Footloose and Edward Scissorhands.
If you are young and single, I'd recommend living somewhere else. It isn't a sleepy little place and it has improved a lot but still in general, the bars and nightlife tend to end around 10 or 11pm. Maybe some of the Locals Only bars stay open late, but that isn't exactly where you go to meet people. Even among single folks who are back on the market after a divorce, it seems to be a common complaint that there's no real good way to meet single people here. Heard that Top Golf in Fishers is kind of like the 30-40 hangout for some reason, but probably because it is one of the few non-Locals Only bars open past midnight.
Is this from a male perspective or female perspective ?? Carmel WOMEN vastly outnumber men. I'm hoping men have an easier time dating with the ratio's in men's favor
There’s no Meth like every other town in Indiana but every pharmacy runs out of adderral every month so welcome to the rat race if you desire to keep up with the Jones’s then welcome 🤷♀️
Living In Indianapolis: I am certainly not one of them, but have for professional reasons come to know some of the people who would be called ‘prominent’ in Indianapolis. To a person they would live anywhere in the world but Carmel, Indiana. Questover Circle tends to be their kind of neighborhood.
Carmel and Westfield have very expensive retail , even at the convenience store level. They're also very quick to trespass people and call police just for asking where the less expensive items are.
Can I say to you before I’ve even watched this video that I can tell you for me what would be the number one reason on my list. NO WOMEN’S SHELTER FOR SBUSED WOMEN AND CHILDREN. They would like to pretend like domestic violence just doesn’t exist here. Well let me inform you it for sin Fishers as well. Hamilton county as a matter of fact ad a whole provides no temporary shelter for its women and children. How’s that make you feel. One million dollars per roundabout. Marsh grocery buildings still set empty. I had to escape to a hotel at the direction of the system then had a judge list living out of a hotel as a reason for removing custody. Status, lies and denial.
Can we talk demographics/race? I love Carmel. But I have 6 black kids. And I would hate for them to be bullied or mistreated by other people that will see them to be very different. Do you think it will be a culture shock?
Hey! I would love to tell you there wouldn't be a problem but I just unfortunately don't know. I know mistreatment happens to people in Carmel but also plenty of other places too. There are hateful, ignorant people in every city and town once can find and it can hurt the overall reputation of a place. That's pretty tragic for people wanting to live there and held back by that.
Why would it be a culture shock? Half or more of the Indiana Pacers and Colts live in Carmel even retired. I know that Reggie Wayne ,, and Gary Bracket live in Carmel..all black and well respected.
As someone who lives in Indiana, Carmel and its residents are known as the snobs of our state. Carmel in no way gives off the midwest vibe whatsoever. It's a rapidly growing city filled with tons of filthy rich narcissists who all live in the same cookie-cutter homes. Plus, midwest weather is god awful.
lori that is simply a false statement. Carmel students outperform fishers students every single year. if you would like sources I can send as well. Cheers 😂
@@brandyleigh3635 as a recent grad from a high school in the area with friends that go to both fishers high school is the best in my opinion they have more opertunity for students to do after school activity’s and there is not an unspoken class system like there definitely is a carmel and the other school is fishers district Hamilton south eastern many students have transferred from those 2 schools because of that reason i would personally send my kids to fishers high school over the other 2
@@brandyleigh3635 I have graduated from CarmelHigh School as did my sister and we are both now in top 25 universities in the nation and I truly believe this is due to the"small college" feel at CHS and its amazing teaching environment. They're are a plethora of gifted students that come out of Carmel and it has a top robotics team in the nation, top math teams, Model Un teams, debate teams, etc. Not to mention the sports which consistently dominate the entire state. CHS is the only place to put your children into if you are looking between this and fishers for example. Please let me know if you have any specific questions or comments.
@@jasonvoorhees381 Too much competition at Carmel HS. Also, too many students. Its ridiculous a town the size of Carmel only has 1 HS. There should be at least 3. Why would anyone want to go to a HS with 6,000 students ?
This city has got to be the best in the United States in terms of its design, and being walkable and cyclable. The apartments in the centre look very European. Beautiful city. And getting better all the time by the looks of it.
It's a really nice place.
I have lived in Carmel for 20 years now and moved back after a stint in the Chicago area. When I first read the title of your video I admit I was put off. But I cannot disagree with a thing you have presented here and you fairly represented the facts. It is what it is and I love Carmel. Good video and great shots.
Thanks! Really appreciate that. I love Carmel and wouldn't hesitate to live there. Of course, like every city in the world... it isn't for everyone. I do highlight a large number of positives about all places in my videos but I have to be fair and realistic to be very honest about the Indy metro. Thanks for watching and I value your feedback.
HATE US CUZ U AINT US CARMEL TILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!!
I live in Carmel and like it overall, but here are other things to consider: 1) It's extremely right wing conservative. Republicans win most races uncontested. People of color stand out and attract attention. 2) It's wildly full of roundabouts. They are truly everywhere and many roads are shut down each spring to build more, exacerbating the traffic problem. 3) The city has $1.5 billion in debt. Yes, that's billion with a 'b'. Our retiring mayor of 28 years routinely spends $250,000 or more on sculptures for things like the center of round-abouts and it appears he will be succeeded by a woman of a similar mindset. 4) It's crowded. Roads like Main Street (131st) and 116th back up daily. And they just keep building more and more homes, condos and apartments. 5) Prices for things like gasoline are higher than just about anywhere in Indiana.
Thank God he's a Republican...Democrats have destroyed the cities where they rule
When the new census shows the population increasing in Indianapolis I suspect that this gentleman will be partially responsible. Always a great video with excellent commentary. Thank you.
Thanks! Very nice. Really appreciate that!
@@LivingInIndianapolis well you are very persuasive in helping people see the area in an entirely positive and realistic light.
In 1965 I graduated from Carnel High School. I grew up 8n Carmel when it was mostly vacant land. My family would go to what was once Northern Beach for picnics and swimming. Back then we had what was considered a big class of around 200. North Central was the big school on the north side. You used to tell when you left Indy and went into Broad Ripple to Nora and then into Carmel. Unless you were from Carmel years ago, there was a clear distinction when you left one area and entered into the next. Not so anymore. The little town where I rode horses bareback, is no longer. My old stomping grounds are not recognizable. I think if a person wanted a smaller community, Sheridan would be good. That being said, it is growing bigger also. There is very little distinction between Carmel, Westfied, Zionsville and Noblesville. There isn't any distinction between Castleton and Fishers except for the signs that tell you when you leave one city to the next. Change is inevitable. I remember going to Hollyhock Hill and Dodd's Townhouse restaurants for special occasions. From 86th street going south on Meridian, is beautiful with the glorious homes and the enormous stone church, which always looked like a castle to me as a child. Indy has become almost unrecognizable for it not being Monument Circle. Gone are the days of Block's. L S Ayres, and Wassons just to name a few department stores that were either on the Circle or a block away. Those were the days of going downtown at Christmas time to see the wonderful window displays. Quite the treat back then and memories I'll have to cherish. The Carmel I knew and grew up in is long lost except for my memories from the past.
Your 5 reasons on why I shouldn’t move to Carmel are reasons why I WANT to move to Carmel. Florida family moving to Indiana soon.
Literally every con you mentioned is a pro for me😅 And Carmel is actually cheap than like Raleigh and in my opinion quality of homes is better in Carmel than in Cary or Raleigh. In under 450s you can get 4,000 sq+ house veryy very easily and in great condition. I came across a property its 2.5 mil with 12k sqft, 2.60 acres land, tennis court, 8 car garage, guest house and pond view in a gated community. Its really the most beautiful home i have seen under 10mil, for this price you'll get a so much less for what you get in Carmel! I like that one High school for everyone, its good for oppertunities and my child will have friend in every corner of the city😅 which is good for socializing
Ha! Pros and cons seem to work that way. A con for one is a pro for another. Pretty subjective.
Damn, Carmel is also a neighbourhood in my city Barcelona (Spain). I almost thought this video was about it hahaha.
Ha ha!
Carmel is twice the size of San Francisco from east to west. That's big enough for me.
Ive lived in carmel my entire life. there is no where id rather be
It's a great place!
Do you guys have homeless there?
been living here my whole life and have never seen one
Love the drone shots
Thanks! The drone is a pretty cool tool.
If I move there will I be the the only Chinese on the block
ahaha a few chinese people live there
@@pawehhtoo6742 I was thinking on moving over there from San Francisco
@@saka3364 uffff
Been watching your videos they're great. Thank you! We just got a place in Carmel and we can't wait to move there when it's ready!
Awesome! Enjoy!
What neighborhoods in Indiana would you recommend to families if they want good schools and good value?
There are so many... what city are you referring to?
@@LivingInIndianapolis I am honestly looking all over the country at this point. I moved for jobs before, but ended up in places that were not really the greatest for families and didn't have the best school systems. Basically I am looking for anything in the suburbs of Indianapolis or where they have some infrastructure in terms of jobs and universities. Was hoping that you could recommend some neighborhoods there.
I love Carmel.! Tree Capital of America
Great place!
Carmel - from the kitschy figurines on Main Street to the preposterous Palladium ending with the "let's pretend we are a European city" downtown architecture, Carmel is one of the gaudiest cities in the USA. If you care about proper architecture and have semblance of taste, DO NOT move to Carmel. Americans love this kind of fake crap - reminds me of Vegas or Disneyland.
Can someone help me understand how diverse is Carmel or even Fishers IN? We live in Brazil but we will be moving to the states next year (both with top jobs in 2 different american companies), I loved all the videos, and both Carmel and Fishers seems to be both great places to raise a family, since we have 2 kids, I really do not want them to suffer any sort of discrimination to come from Latin America.
If there is any other suburbs in the midwest that is more diverse (OR if no issues with Carmel/Fisher on that matter), please let me know, it´s going to be really appreciated.
Jason, keep up with the good work!
Goodluck lol
Do your research, I just read a very informative article about Carmel and it did not leave me with warm and fuzzy feelings. Be safe.
Felipe check out Neighborhood Scout. It will answer your question and many more about Carmel. Good luck.
I can probably add more then 5 reasons not to live here.
Idk. I like being an average middle class guy, and yes I do have more well off friends in the center grove area, but I just feel out of my comfort zone up there.
I think on reason #4, from what I’ve seen, the reputation is also that Carmel people are snobbish/pretentious.
They have SERIOUS racial profiling issues.
Hi Jason, love the drone shots as well!
Thanks! Appreciate that!
The only good thing about that city is you don't wait on traffic lights when you have so much roundabouts
I lived in Carmel from 1990 to 2016. It's a city full of fake people trying to keep up with the Jone's. If you love diversity and culture, it is not the city for you. Carmel wants to be trendy and artistic, but they don't have an organic way of realizing this wish. It's forced and gaudy. You will only enjoy living there if you're white, Christian, republican, and think everyone else ought to be that way too. Any deviance from this will be met with disdain, and sometimes full-on hatred. I graduated from Carmel Highschool in the mid 2000's. As a liberal-minded, non-religious person I was treated as a pariah by not only my peers but also some adults. Carmel is the poster-child for "white-flight" from the 1960's. If you raise a child there, do not expect them to have a particularly realistic world view as they grow up. If you have a child who is LGBTQ+ expect them to suffer regular bullying. If you are black, expect to be pulled over by Carmel PD a LOT! This city is basically like the towns from Footloose and Edward Scissorhands.
If you are young and single, I'd recommend living somewhere else. It isn't a sleepy little place and it has improved a lot but still in general, the bars and nightlife tend to end around 10 or 11pm. Maybe some of the Locals Only bars stay open late, but that isn't exactly where you go to meet people. Even among single folks who are back on the market after a divorce, it seems to be a common complaint that there's no real good way to meet single people here. Heard that Top Golf in Fishers is kind of like the 30-40 hangout for some reason, but probably because it is one of the few non-Locals Only bars open past midnight.
Right. It's not NYC or Miami. The nightlife is here but it isn't the same
Is this from a male perspective or female perspective ?? Carmel WOMEN vastly outnumber men. I'm hoping men have an easier time dating with the ratio's in men's favor
But boring!!
How about income base housing in Carmel
Not much if any in Carmel
Carmel does not want poor people there under any circumstances.
The least expensive post WWII housing addition there has already been demolished.
@@strafer8764 and thank goodness for that !!!
@@flauze you big wuss lol. You scared of the real world?
There’s no Meth like every other town in Indiana but every pharmacy runs out of adderral every month so welcome to the rat race if you desire to keep up with the Jones’s then welcome 🤷♀️
Let's be honest you searched this up
Researched it?
The "reputation" was the main reason I was considering Carmel.
Gotcha
There is something vaguely fascistic in the architecture.
It's certainly nice. Different than many places.
Living In Indianapolis: I am certainly not one of them, but have for professional reasons come to know some of the people who would be called ‘prominent’ in Indianapolis. To a person they would live anywhere in the world but Carmel, Indiana. Questover Circle tends to be their kind of neighborhood.
Must be oppressive to e surrounded by beauty when you feel so threatened by it
Carmel and Westfield have very expensive retail , even at the convenience store level. They're also very quick to trespass people and call police just for asking where the less expensive items are.
This place looks incredibly boring
Can I say to you before I’ve even watched this video that I can tell you for me what would be the number one reason on my list. NO WOMEN’S SHELTER FOR SBUSED WOMEN AND CHILDREN. They would like to pretend like domestic violence just doesn’t exist here. Well let me inform you it for sin Fishers as well. Hamilton county as a matter of fact ad a whole provides no temporary shelter for its women and children. How’s that make you feel. One million dollars per roundabout. Marsh grocery buildings still set empty. I had to escape to a hotel at the direction of the system then had a judge list living out of a hotel as a reason for removing custody. Status, lies and denial.
Can we talk demographics/race? I love Carmel. But I have 6 black kids. And I would hate for them to be bullied or mistreated by other people that will see them to be very different. Do you think it will be a culture shock?
Hey! I would love to tell you there wouldn't be a problem but I just unfortunately don't know. I know mistreatment happens to people in Carmel but also plenty of other places too. There are hateful, ignorant people in every city and town once can find and it can hurt the overall reputation of a place. That's pretty tragic for people wanting to live there and held back by that.
@@LivingInIndianapolis thank you for the response. And you’re right.
Why would it be a culture shock? Half or more of the Indiana Pacers and Colts live in Carmel even retired. I know that Reggie Wayne ,, and Gary Bracket live in Carmel..all black and well respected.
@@rodzillarox4882 are you kidding? That’s not a lot lol And they’re celebrities
@@2ez87 they are but I work with people in Westfield Carmel and live there with no issues and have children that go to the schools
As someone who lives in Indiana, Carmel and its residents are known as the snobs of our state. Carmel in no way gives off the midwest vibe whatsoever. It's a rapidly growing city filled with tons of filthy rich narcissists who all live in the same cookie-cutter homes. Plus, midwest weather is god awful.
You need to show more of Carmel and less of yourself 🤔
Thanks for the tip!
No the schools are not highly rated. We locals all know not to put your kids in Carmel Schools. Fishers is where you want to send your kids
lori that is simply a false statement. Carmel students outperform fishers students every single year. if you would like sources I can send as well. Cheers 😂
Why? We're looking to choose between the two for our move so I'm curious
@@brandyleigh3635 as a recent grad from a high school in the area with friends that go to both fishers high school is the best in my opinion they have more opertunity for students to do after school activity’s and there is not an unspoken class system like there definitely is a carmel and the other school is fishers district Hamilton south eastern many students have transferred from those 2 schools because of that reason i would personally send my kids to fishers high school over the other 2
@@brandyleigh3635 I have graduated from CarmelHigh School as did my sister and we are both now in top 25 universities in the nation and I truly believe this is due to the"small college" feel at CHS and its amazing teaching environment. They're are a plethora of gifted students that come out of Carmel and it has a top robotics team in the nation, top math teams, Model Un teams, debate teams, etc. Not to mention the sports which consistently dominate the entire state. CHS is the only place to put your children into if you are looking between this and fishers for example. Please let me know if you have any specific questions or comments.
@@jasonvoorhees381 Too much competition at Carmel HS. Also, too many students. Its ridiculous a town the size of Carmel only has 1 HS. There should be at least 3. Why would anyone want to go to a HS with 6,000 students ?